[3.5] Alchemist Help

[A.A.King]

So I'm thinking of making myself a Gnome Alchemist, with Bard 2 / Rogue X. When it comes to base classes we play core only, so I needed the spell-casting class to be actually able to craft Alchemy instead of what I believe is usually suggested: Artificer. His main weapon of choice will be Alchemist's Fire which I would like to make myself as much as possible. And now I'm looking for ways to get more out of Craft (Alchemy) (and out of my bard levels.) For example, one of its spells will be Lullaby and I'm trying to find an item which I can make with Craft Alchemy which can put people to sleep. I found "Alchemical Sleep Gas" which is nice but uses a Fortitude Save were as Lullaby only helps me with Will Saves. Is there an item which I can make using Craft (Alchemy) which puts people to sleep if they fail a will save?

Another thing I'm trying to create is a Batman-style Recipe book, the same way wizards have their Spell-books which allow them to prepare for situations I like to have an Alchemical Recipe Book with a lot of items I could create to counter specif type of situations, any good suggestions for that?

And finally, what are the "fixes" used on the Craft (Alchemy) system, because (if my math is correct*) it would take a Skill Check of 67 to quickly make 1 Alchemist's Fire in just one day which, apart from making it impossible to create enough Alchemist's Fire for yourself, just doesn't seem realistic for something that costs only 20 GP. I know it's much easier to just buy a truckload of those things but that's not the type of character I want to make. I want to make my own bombs. So what kind of "fix" to the craft system could I ask for to make more Alchemist's Fire quickly without being able to abuse it?

*My Math, if Correct goes like this: Item Price *100 (because crafting per day uses Copper Pieces) = 20 * 100 = 2000
Divide 2000 by the Craft DC + 10 (The Extra 10 can be added once to make it more quickly) = 2000 / (20+10) = 2000 / 30 = 66 and 2/3 or 67 because you can't roll a 2/3. 67 would then be the Skill Check needed to complete the item in one go.

[Talionis]

Grenadier Feat into Mad Alchemist Feat (Tactical) both from PHB2. The Mad Alchemist Feat allows you an Craft Alchemy skill check to counter spells. It also will slightly increase your fire damage and allow you to create rough terrain.

[A.A.King]

Those feats are definitely already part of the plan but right now I'm more looking for items either to be created by Alchemy or magical items which could boost this type of character

[RFLS]

I'd talk to your DM about porting this (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advanced/baseClasses/alchemist.html) in. It is quite literally exactly what you described wanting.

[Talionis]

I've also seen a couple good handbooks on what items to get at what level in order to cover as many situations as possible. But here are some lists of alchemical substances and items that might be helpful.

Set put this on another forum list:

Places to check for Alchemy stuff;

PHB 3.5 (p 70-71, 128-129)
Acid
Alchemist's Fire
Antitoxin
Smokestick
Sunrod
Tanglefoot Bag
Thunderstone
Tindertwig

Book of Vile Darkness (p 41-44
Feather Powder
Festering Bomb
Weeping Stone
Agony (Liquid Pain)
Baccaran
Devilweed
Luhix
Mordayne Vapore (Dreammist)
Mushroom Powder
Redflower Leaves
Sannish
Terran Brandy
Vodare

Libris Mortis (p 73-74)
Brittlebone
Embalming Fire
Ghostoil
Liquid Night

Races of the Dragon (p 122-123) *No Craft DCs listed*
Bitterleaf Oil
Ditherbomb (strong, weak or wyrm)
Fire Beetle Lamp
Sundark Goggles

Races of the Wild (p 168)
Leafweave Armor (also requires Craft (armorsmithing))

Races of Stone (p 159-161)
Blasting Pellets
Blister Oil
Hearthfire
Spiderlily Essence

Complete Mage (p 134-135)
Auran Mask
Crackle Powder
Fast Torch
Screaming Flask
Weeping Flask

Complete Adventurer (p 118-122)
Blend Cream
Focusing Candle
Catstink
Fareye Oil
Flash Pellet
Freeglide
Hawk's Ointment
Healer's Balm
Keenear Powder
Lockslip Grease
Nature's Draught
Softfoot
Suregrip
Antitoxin Capsule
Ironman Capsule
Leap Capsule
Stability Capsule
Strongarm Capsule
Swiftstride Capsule
Ghostblight
Quickflame
Quickfrost
Quickspark
Quicksilver

Draconomicon (p 116-117) *requires Dragoncrafter feat*
Blood Elixir

Lords of Madness (p 114-115) *requires Grell Alchemy feat*
Grell Crystal
Lightning Lance (magic item, requires Alchemy)
Greater Lightning Lance (magic item, requires Alchemy)
Silver Spear (magic item, requires Alchemy)

Heroes of Battle (p 134-137)
Acid Stone
Alchemist's Stone
Holy/Unholy Stone? (should require a priest, not an alchemist)
Tanglefoot Shot

Stormwrack (p 108)
Stinkpot

Frostburn (p 78-79)
Armor Insultation
Freeze Powder
Frostbite Salve
Ice Chalk
Melt Powder
Polar Skin
Razor Ice Powder
Whale Grease

Sandstorm (p 101-103)
Armorbright
Blackeye
Deep Draught
Ironthorn Extract
Keepcool Salve
Shapesand
Slumber Sand
Sunshade Lotion

Special: Oleum (no Alchemy Craft DC, but it seems like it should be craftable)

Arms & Equipment Guide (p 32-35) *some repeated in Cadv*
Bladefire
Acid Bullet
Flame Bullet
Focusing Candle
Restful Candle
Clearbreath
Darkvision Powder
Defoliator
Dehydrated Food
Dwarfblind
Farflame Oil
Fleetfoot
Ghostoil
Gravebane
Hawk’s Ointment
Instant Rope
Longbreath
Motelight
Nature’s Draught
Polar Skin
Signal Torch
Sparkstone
Stonebreaker Acid
Verminbane
Vicious Bleeder

Savage Species (p 46-48)
Breathing Mask
Flashtube
Frostfire
Sculpter’s Slime

Eberron Campaign Setting (p 120-121)
Acidic Fire
Alchemist’s Frost
Alchemist’s Spark
Noxious Smokestick

Magic of Eberron (p 139-140) *no Alchemy Craft DCs*
Bloodspike (defiling)
Bloodspike (glowbug)
Bloodspike (spatter)
Bloodspike (tempo)
Bloodspike (thickener)

Faiths of Eberron (p 153-154) *no Alchemy Craft DCs*
Breath of the Devourer
Euphoric Sacrament
Flayskin
Mordrei’in
Silverburn

Oriental Adventures (p 78)
Eggshell Grenades (dust, flashpowder, pepper, poison smoke)
Flash Paper (moeragara)
Jade Powder
Liquid Smoke (ekitai kemuri)
Sleeping Fire (hinemuri)

Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (p 96-97)
Alchemical Sleep Gas
Disappearing Ink
Scentbreaker

Dungeonscape (p 34-37)
Acid Neutralizer
Bottled Air
Firmament Stone
Ghostwall Shellac
Lava Stones
Lockslip
Trollbane

Drow of the Underdark (p 93-94)
Bile Droppings
Darkvision Powder
Dwarfblind Stone
Shedden
Spelunker's Oil
Stoneburn Acid
Vilegrip


Dragon magazine 280, article Better Living Through Alchemy, has some great stuff. Issue 301 also has a large article on Alchemy, but I don't recall it specifically. Quite a few (perhaps even all of them) seem to be reprinted in the Dragon Compendium.


Places checked;
PHB 3.5 (p 70-71, 128-129)
Book of Vile Darkness (p 41)
Libris Mortis (p 73-74)
Races of the Dragon (p 122-123)
Complete Mage (p 134-135)
Complete Adventurer (p 118-122) quite a lot of ‘em
Draconomicon (p 116-117) requires Dragoncrafter feat (only 1 item)
Lords of Madness (p 114-115) requires Grell Alchemy feat (only 3 items)
Heroes of Battle (p 134-137) alchemical siege shot
Stormwrack (p 108)
Frostburn (p 78-79)
Sandstorm (p 101-103)
Arms & Equipment Guide (p 32-35) quite a few, some repeated in CA
Savage Species (p 46-48)
Faiths of Eberron (p 153-154)
Eberron Campaign Setting (p 120-121)
Magic of Eberron (p 139-140)
Oriental Adventures (p 78)
Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (p 96-97)
Drow of the Underdark (p 93-94)

Here is a second list I found, I have not cross referenced to see if one is more up to date than the other:


*Formula for Alcemical items that lack a DC= 10+(Price/10, Round up)

Player's Handbook: Page 128
Acid-DC15
Alchemist's Fire-DC20
Antitoxin-DC25
Smoke Stick-DC20
Sun Rod-DC25
Tanglefoot Bag-DC25
Thunderstone-DC25
Tindertwig-DC20

Planar Handbook:
Antitrait Greese-DC20
Atramen Oil-DC20
Bahamut's Breath-DC25
Ocanthus Knife-DC2
Liquid Embers-DC25
Pure Element-DC25

Ebberon Campaign Setting: Page 121
Acidic Fire-DC25
Alchemist's spark-DC22
Alchemist's Frost-DC22
Noxious Smokestick-DC25

Complete Adventurer: Page 119
Blend Cream-DC20
Focus Candle-DC25
Catstink-DC20
Fareye Oil-DC20
Flash Pellet-DC25
Freeglide-DC20
Hawks Ointment-DC25
Healer's Balm-DC20
Keenear Powder-DC20
Lockslip Greese-DC20
Nature's Drought-DC25
Softfoot-DC20
Suregrip-DC20

Arms And Equipment Guide: Page 32
Bladefire-DC20
Acid Bullet-DC15
Candle, focusing-DC 25

Flame Bullet-DC20
Restful Candle-DC25
Clearbreath-DC25
Darkvision Powder-DC20
Defoliator-DC20
Dehydrated Food-DC15
Dwarfblind-DC25
Farflame Oil-DC15
Fleetfoot-DC25
Ghost Oil-DC25
Gravebane-DC25
Instant Rope-DC15
Longbreath-DC25
Motelight-DC20
Polar Skin-DC25
Signal Tourch-DC15
Sparkstone-DC25
Stonebreaker Acid-DC20
Verminebane-DC20
Vicious Bleeder-DC25

Complete Scoundrel: Page 111
Clearwater Tablet-DC30
Daystider Capsule-DC15
Ferrous Aqua-DC20
Forger's Paper-DC20
Endurance Elixar-DC20
Liquid Light-DC30
Nerv-DC25
Powdered Silver-DC20
Rust Cube-DC30
Trail Bar-DC20
Toxic Tooth-DC25


Dungeonscape: Page 30
Acid Neutralizer- DC 20, 17 GP
Bottled Air- DC 25, 17 GP
Firmament Stone- DC 25, 20 GP, one 50 GP iolite gemstone
Ghostwall Shellac- DC 30, 50 GP
Lava Stones- DC 20, 16 GP
Lockslick- DC 25, 60 GP
Trollbane- DC 25, 30 GP


Libris Mortis: Page 74
Brittle Bane-DC20
Enbalming Fire-DC20
Ghost Oil-DC25
Liquid Light-DC25

Libris Mortis Positoxins (Alchemy Poisons for use against the undead!) Page 75
Gravedust-DC20
Boneshard Paste-DC26
Sunlight Oil-DC32
Blood Wine-DC22
Celestial Essence-DC28
Lichbane-DC34
Liquid Mortality-DC40 (Highest Craft DC that I've found to date.)

Faerun Campaign Setting: Page 96
Alchemical Sleep Gas-DC25
Disappearing Ink-DC15
Scentbreaker-DC15



Races of Faerun: Page 158-160
Armor Lubricant-DC15
Instant Campfire-DC*(Description says it is alchemy, but no DC given)

FrostBurn: Page 78
Armor Insulation-DC25
Freeze Powder-DC25
Frostbite Salve-DC20
Ice Chalk-DC15
Melt Powder-DC20
Polar skin - DC25
Razor Ice Powder-DC25
Whale Grease-DC25

Complete Mage: Page Page 134
Auran Mask-DC25
Crackle Powder-DC20
Fast Tourch-DC20
Screaming Flask-DC25
Weeping Flask-DC15

Underdark: Page 67
Alchemis's mineral acid: DC 22
Blackwater: DC 25
dark oil: DC 20
Darkvision-invisible paint: DC 20
Shriek past: DC 20

Drow of the underdark: Page 93
bile droppings - DC 15
Dark vision powder - DC 20
Dwarfblind stone - DC 25
Shedden - DC 20
Spelunker's oil - DC 20
stoneburn acid - DC 22
vilegrip - DC 25

Alchemy Related Equipment:
Eberron Campaign Setting
Darkleaf Armor-Page120
Leafweave-Page120

Magic Of Ebberon:
Alchemy Blade
Bloodspikes-DC*(Pages 139-141)
PrC: Alchemist Savant
Impact Armor-pg 139

Arms And Equipment
Gnome Calculus
Sprayer
Alchemist's Arrows

Complete Adventurer
Alchemical Capsules

Players Handbook
Alchemist's Lab

Player's Handbook II
FEAT: Grenadier
FEAT:Mad Alchemist

Faerun Campaign Setting
Aspergillium

Monster Manual 3
Alchemical Golem-Page 66

Magic of Faerun
Smoke Powder (CWI+9 ranks Caft Alchemy)

Races of Faerun
Heavy Aspergillium
Potion bladder