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Heliomance
2013-06-26, 05:05 AM
I've shamelessly stolen this from someone else, and I can't remember who.

Imagine you have to assemble a team to complete <insert standard fantasy quest here>. You need five people, and you can only take one person from any given world or series. Oh, and no Elminster, he's too good :P
Who do you pick?

My (incomplete) team:

The leader: Gaius "Tavi" Octavian, from Jim Butcher's Codex Alera. Strong elemental and self-buff magic, excellent hand-to-hand skills thanks to aforementioned buffs, natural leadership and tactical skills, and an absolute genius for thinking outside the box.

The rogue: Puss in Boots from Shrek. Small, skilled in combat, capable of moving silently, and a very good pickpocket and lockpicker.

The meatshield: Black Swordsman Kirito, from Sword Art Online (version from Alfheim). Slightly cheating, as it's a character in an in-universe VR game, not he himself, but meh. Inhuman strength, speed, and swordsmanship, flight, some illusion magic, and a truly terrifying monstrous transformation spell.

The healer: Haven't decided, but I'm leaning towards someone from Final Fantasy, because white mages are often summoners as well, and the Final Fantasy summons are amazing.

For my last member, I'm torn. I don't have a versatile mage yet - Tavi is powerful, but only has elemental manipulation magic aside from his buffs. On the other hand, it's very tempting to take Veralidaine "Daine" Sarrasri from Tamora Pierce's Tortall setting. She's a wild mage. She can shapeshift into animals, and she can talk with any animal or animalian magical creature. Also, pretty much all natural animals and most magical creatures adore her, and will happily do what she asks. With her on your team, every creature in the forest is a potential spy or saboteur. Also, her very presence and care passively makes the animals around smarter. Tough choice.

The Rose Dragon
2013-06-26, 07:17 AM
Hm. Let's see.

The Unconquered Sun, in case Luna isn't available, from Exalted, as the jack-of-all-trades of the group.

Asura, from Asura's Wrath, as the muscle.

Jesse Custer, from Preacher, as the face.

Bayonetta, from Bayonetta, as the flashy nuker and the skill monkey.

Wynne, from Dragon Age: Origins, as the healer (assuming the group ever needs healing).

One literal god, three people who have faced God / gods, and Wynne. I think I'm all set for anything that doesn't require too much subtlety.

Emmerask
2013-06-26, 07:51 AM
Sir Sparhawk (The Elenium and The Tamuli) - Leader of my little group

Dumbledore (Harry Potter) - for versatility casting, would fill the Rogue/Wizard position

Rand al'Thor (wheel of time) - he is practically a god at the end (maybe too strong?) Damage Caster

Macros the Black - for fighting gods and those things gods are scared of expertise

Druss (Drenai saga) - to round up the awesomeness of the team :smallwink:

Morbis Meh
2013-06-26, 08:45 AM
Leader: Yuri Hyuga (Shadow hearts) God killer two times over and general bada$$

Meat shield: Luca Blight (Suikoden II) It took an entire army to bring this one man down.

Rogue: Jimmy the Hand (Midkemia) A legnedary thief in the world of Raymon Feist

Mage: Vivi Ornitier (FF IX) My all time favourite black mage from FF... I have tattoos of this little god smiting fella!

Healer: Billy Black (Xenogears) Gun toting exorcist with a mech that means business

Lord Raziere
2013-06-26, 02:06 PM
Harry Dresden- Blaster mage
Atticus O'sullivan- the tank, since he regenerates himself
Tyrion Lannister - the rogue and face
Anders - the healer
Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!- the leader.

the strangest fantasy team you will ever see…. also, probably the most snarky.

Heliomance
2013-06-26, 02:29 PM
You spelled your last guy wrong. It's spelt Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!

Lord Raziere
2013-06-26, 04:02 PM
D:

Your right! :smalleek:

edited.

but yeah, those guys would be the strangest team ever, as its three reckless dudes who couldn't care less about politics being lead by a coward and a midget, both of whom are adept at politics. it would be interesting clash of perspectives, I think, but I also think they would mostly get along, if prone to long snark-offs.

thorgrim29
2013-06-27, 11:59 AM
The Leader:Colonel Jack O'Neil from SG1 pre generalship
The Wizard:Harry Dresden, of course (Pre Turn-Coat so he has less weight on his shoulders)
The Healer: Katara from The Last Airbender, in her late 20s
The Fighter:Buffy (post season 7, pre comics)
The Rogue: Silk from the Belgariad (between the Belgariad and the Malloreon)


So yeah, this is my version of the super sarcastic super-team.

Jormengand
2013-06-27, 12:49 PM
The mage: Venerable Lord Kroak from WHfan. Yes, while he's still alive.

The healer: Lana from the Gone series. The fact that she can heal anything from near-death injuries (even her own) to nuclear fallout without any specified limits counts as pretty damn awesome.

The meatshield: The Balrog of Morgoth from the Lord of the Rings. Because he 1v1s the most powerful person in the universe and survives in single combat for a few weeks. Oh, and he only loses (rather than, admittedly, drawing) because a god decided that now would be a good time to get involved.

The rogue (and tactician): Wait, how did the entire party get there? It must have been a tactical genius...

CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

The leader: Satoru, Lord Klein, from Adventures of the writer. There is only one weapon that can kill him, and it is ridiculously difficult to obtain. He is swarming with, essentially, space marines, and so long as he has his laptop (which he can essentially summon at will) he can just decide that you don't exist. The closest anyone got to killing him was when all the other freaking protagonists banded together to get the sword, all the antagonists, down to the last mook, were working to shut his laptop down and a Really Freaking OP DaemonTM was trying to mess him up as well.

Xefas
2013-06-27, 02:39 PM
Doing this kind of thing is boring without more restrictions. There was a thread a few weeks ago that did this kinda thing, but everyone had to conform to a single ~alignment, and fit into a set of particular roles.

Therefore, I shall impose a theme upon myself, and go with Team Kidventurer! Which is to say, actual adventuring kids that are <14 years old. Five different personality archetypes, and abilities related to your standard fighter/mage/cleric/rogue/other (leader?) setup.

Morale will never be a problem! This team practically bleeds whimsy and happiness.

Link: Specifically, Windwaker Link. He's our Rogue, and our silent, mysterious type as well. He solves puzzles, sneaks, platforms, and, more importantly, is our gadgeteer/use magic device specialist. They haven't invented a 'Fancy Mystical Widget of Previously Unexplained But Obviously Extensive Power' that Link can't just pick up and shoot chainsaw dragons out of like he's been doing it his whole life. He's also probably our most intelligent member, which is terrifying.

Finn: That is, Adventure Time Finn. He's our Fighter and comic relief. Equipped with a demonic sword that cuts through diamond like hot butter, and physical strength that lets him leap tall buildings and shatter stone and steel with his bare hands, he makes an effective bruiser for the team. Appropriately, he's also a bit of a dunce; but he makes up for it with a mind and soul like an iron fortress.

Red: Did you ever think to yourself "Pokemon seemed like a good idea, but I wish there was some variation where the main character was competent and likeable, and the bad guys were smart enough to have their squad of technicolor dinosaurs just beat the piss out of people instead of engaging in fair one-on-one duels"? Well, that's "Pokemon Adventures" and Red is our Mage slash The Cool/Cocky Dude. Six pokemon is a decent variety of offensive/utility powers, and they're ostensibly exchangeable at least between adventures, if not more frequently.

Aang: From Avatar The Last Airbender. He's our Cleric - or, if you prefer, Spiritual Consultant, as well as being the humble and wise character of the party. He has immense flexibility owing to a mastery of the four classical elements, and a killer final-boss mode, in addition to the ability and authority to call upon and speak with otherworldly beings, and a vast repository of knowledge and experience to consult, given time to do so.

Sora: From Kingdom Hearts, Sora is our Leader, and the obligatory 'annoying moron main character' personality archetype. Still, dumb though he may be, he has a strong will, non-terrible leadership, a jack-of-all-trades powerset (including spectacular healing), and that stupidity seems to melt away when it comes to learning magic or assorted acts of violence. Plus, he gets more powerful with friendship. If combo attacks and things like Trinity Limit can wreck faces with Donald and Goofy, what could he do with four people whose lives are actually worth something?

OverdrivePrime
2013-06-28, 11:00 PM
Ronnie the Motherlovin' Bear Weasley (Vlad Taltos - Assassin, hedge mage, sneak and snark.), as portrayed in Wizard People, Dear Reader - Tactics, utility magic, right-hand to the hero.
Vlad Taltos - Assassin, hedge mage, sneak and snark.
Guts from Berserk (http://youtu.be/Qacgb2b8LVU) - Fight
Damien Kilkanon Vryce - warpriest & healer
Linna Inverse (http://youtu.be/ecbTsBMeBy8) - Blows $@(% up!

Haruki-kun
2013-06-29, 12:54 AM
OK, I thought this through.

Hermione Granger: High Magical ability and not afraid to use it. Excellent research skills, highly loyal and resourceful.

Granny Weatherwax, from Discworld: High intelligence, ability to understand and resolve a situation, and expert at headology.

Goku from Dragon Ball: Pure strength and fighting ability, always required.

The Doctor, from Doctor Who: Encyclopedic knowledge of all creatures in the universe, magical plot device with blue light.

Princess Celestia from MLP: Excellent Magical ability, ancient wisdom, will beat you up with the power of luv!

Runner-ups:
Shana, from Shakugan no Shana
Arya Stark, from a Song of Ice and Fire
Iron Man
Akemi Homura, from Madoka

Lentrax
2013-06-29, 09:43 AM
FemShep. Why? Cause she gets s*** done.
Patrick Jane. Because playing with people's minds is sooo much fun. Doing it with style and panache is just that much better.
Neo. He knows Kung Fu. Nuff said.
Christopher Walken. Because he's Chrostopher freakin' Walken!

Edit: Walken's all you really need. Ever.

Jormengand
2013-06-29, 09:53 AM
Edit: Walken's all you really need. Ever.

I was tempted to cross out everyone except Satoru, but Creed's funny.

Coidzor
2013-06-29, 01:54 PM
The Leader:Colonel Jack O'Neil from SG1 pre generalship
The Wizard:Harry Dresden, of course (Pre Turn-Coat so he has less weight on his shoulders)
The Healer: Katara from The Last Airbender, in her late 20s
The Fighter:Buffy (post season 7, pre comics)
The Rogue: Silk from the Belgariad (between the Belgariad and the Malloreon)


So yeah, this is my version of the super sarcastic super-team.

"It's "O'Neill," with two L's. There's another Colonel O'Neil with only one L, and he has no sense of humor at all."

I wonder if I could make a team entirely out of Richard Dean Anderson... Certainly between Colonel O'Neill and MacGyver that's rogue and leader taken care of. hmm....

nedz
2013-06-29, 05:07 PM
The Leader: King Arthur
The Wizard: Tim, the Enchanter
The Healer: Brother Maynard
The Fighter: Sir Lancelot
The Rogue: Sir Robin's Minstrels

Jormengand
2013-06-30, 03:20 AM
After all, I did see the Balrog down there, so I assume we're just conveniently neglecting to detail exactly how this motley little crew ended up together.

In my case, it's "Because Satoru Klein said so, and he can do pretty much whatever he likes."

Believe me, it was tempting to write Morgoth rather than the Balrog - chariot drawn by balrogs, anyone?

Morcleon
2013-06-30, 10:30 AM
Fighter: Jack Rakan (Negima!). He punches out a demiplane and takes on starships singlehandedly.And, despite the fact that he's actually just an illusion and has already been dispelled, manages to come back to deliver an inspirational speech through sheer willpower.
Rogue: John Taylor (Nightside). Finds anything. Also makes a habit of outwitting deities and such creatures.
Wizard: Lady Bernkastel (Umineko). She makes anything happen with a probability >0%. Add in quantum probability theories and she can do everything.
Cleric: Dame Primus (Keys to the Kingdom). She heals anything. And if she heals you enough, you gain a lot of special abilities.
Leader: Suzumiya Haruhi (The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi). 'Nuff said. :smallcool:

Eldan
2013-06-30, 10:38 AM
You exclude Elminster only? There's so many guys stronger than him.

Heliomance
2013-06-30, 02:53 PM
You exclude Elminster only? There's so many guys stronger than him.

He was the obvious one that came to mind. And there's not many that have stronger plot armour and "yeah, I just win"-ness than Elminster.

I should probably exclude gods too.

Jormengand
2013-06-30, 03:08 PM
He was the obvious one that came to mind. And there's not many that have stronger plot armour and "yeah, I just win"-ness than Elminster.

I should probably exclude gods too.

Perhaps excluding author avatars might give me a chance to rethink. :p

IamL
2013-07-01, 08:16 PM
Front-liner: The Incredible Hulk. 'Nuff said. (I think I beat the Balrog with this guy)
Rogue: Charby the Vampirate from Charby the Vampirate. He is witty, charismatic, dextrous, and a great fighter amd lock-picker. The quintessential master thief. (Ooh, actually, maybe Lupin? Nah...)
Mage and Leader: Skulduggery Pleasant from Skulduggery Pleasant Charismatic, dextrous, strong, tough, smart, and a deadeye with a revolver, he is one of if not the world's greatest detectives. Plus he's a magical skeleton that throws fireballs, controls winds, waters, and earth. (was torn between him and Kenspeckle Grouse for healer, decided him over Kenspeckle)
Healer: Malcolm from Ranger's Apprentice. The medieval world's greatest healer and herbalist.
5th character Wild Card: Luffy from One Piece. 'Nuff said.

Janus
2013-07-01, 08:20 PM
I only need two heroes:
Batman (Adam West) and Captain Kirk (Will Shatner).

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/135/6/a/the_most_awesome_movie_ever_by_janus3003-d4zvsli.jpg
I just want one scene of those two putting their heads together to figure out the villain's dastardly plan. Is that too much to ask?

Animastryfe
2013-07-04, 11:32 PM
Fighter: Jack Rakan (Negima!). He punches out a demiplane and takes on starships singlehandedly.And, despite the fact that he's actually just an illusion and has already been dispelled, manages to come back to deliver an inspirational speech through sheer willpower.
Rogue: John Taylor (Nightside). Finds anything. Also makes a habit of outwitting deities and such creatures.
Wizard: Lady Bernkastel (Umineko). She makes anything happen with a probability >0%. Add in quantum probability theories and she can do everything.
Cleric: Dame Primus (Keys to the Kingdom). She heals anything. And if she heals you enough, you gain a lot of special abilities.
Leader: Suzumiya Haruhi (The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi). 'Nuff said. :smallcool:
What quantum probability theories allow a particle in a box of infinite potential to move outside of the box?

Edit: I think The Rose Dragon's list is currently the strongest, although I am not familiar with all of the mentioned characters in this thread. I would replace Wynn (I have not played that game) with one of the many functionally invincible characters from Touhou.

Morcleon
2013-07-04, 11:44 PM
What quantum probability theories allow a particle in a box of infinite potential to move outside of the box?

Edit: I think The Rose Dragon's list is currently the strongest, although I am not familiar with all of the mentioned characters. I would replace Wynn (I have not played that game) with one of the many functionally invincible characters from Touhou.

Nothing in particular, just the whole "everything is possible, it's just that most things have an infinitesimally small probability of happening". Also, what exactly do you mean by infinite potential?

Animastryfe
2013-07-05, 12:47 AM
Nothing in particular, just the whole "everything is possible, it's just that most things have an infinitesimally small probability of happening". Also, what exactly do you mean by infinite potential?

The one-dimensional particle in a box problem is likely the first problem a student will see in a quantum mechanics class. At x=0 and x=a, there is infinite potential energy. A particle is between x=0 and x=a; solve for the particle's wavefunction. The particle cannot cross a region or wall of infinite potential energy; therefore the particle is stuck between x=0 and x=a. However, if the regions have some finite potential energy, then the particle would have some non-zero probability of being found outside of the box, even if classically the particle would not have enough energy to traverse the potential energy regions. This is known as quantum tunneling.

Morcleon
2013-07-05, 01:00 AM
The one-dimensional particle in a box problem is likely the first problem a student will see in a quantum mechanics class. At x=0 and x=a, there is infinite potential energy. A particle is between x=0 and x=a; solve for the particle's wavefunction. The particle cannot cross a region or wall of infinite potential energy; therefore the particle is stuck between x=0 and x=a. However, if the regions have some finite potential energy, then the particle would have some non-zero probability of being found outside of the box, even if classically the particle would not have enough energy to traverse the potential energy regions. This is known as quantum tunneling.

...right, that's the term I was looking for. Thanks. :smallbiggrin:

noparlpf
2013-07-05, 09:52 AM
What quantum probability theories allow a particle in a box of infinite potential to move outside of the box?

None that I know of. I did end up failing that class, but that was once we'd moved past modelling Helium and H2 and on to big molecules and stuff.

Moriwen
2013-07-05, 09:53 AM
Leader: Saruman, pre-evil. More powerful than Gandalf, and his power is super-Charisma. (No, he's not the wizard. LotR wizards barely do any magic.)
Wizard: Ged. Basically limitless illusions, coming right up.
Cleric: Aslan, thank you very much. (If we're banning physical gods, Fawkes instead.)
Fighter/Tactician: River Tam. Like Buffy but awesomer.
Meatshield: The Hulk. Yay for invulnerability.

Jormengand
2013-07-05, 10:05 AM
Edit: I think The Rose Dragon's list is currently the strongest, although I am not familiar with all of the mentioned characters in this thread. I would replace Wynn (I have not played that game) with one of the many functionally invincible characters from Touhou.

Wynne came back from the dead just because she could. Do not mess.

Also, familiarise yourself with all of these characters, and then give your opinion. There will be a marked difference. :p

Animastryfe
2013-07-05, 11:15 AM
...right, that's the term I was looking for. Thanks. :smallbiggrin:

Think of it this way: suppose you have a marble in a bowl. If the marble has enough speed, then the marble can go over the lip of the bowl. However, in quantum mechanics, the marble can still go 'over' the bowl even if its speed should not be high enough.

However, if the bowl was infinitely high/deep, then the marble can never roll out of the bowl.

I now have semantic satiation with respect to the word bowl.

Edit: Jormungand, there may be individual choices that are better, but the power levels of the characters of that list are so high that I doubt that any other list would be appreciably better. Here are some examples of Touhou characters from the TVtropes article on Reality Warpers:
Yukari Yakumo, of the Touhou series, has complete power over boundaries. Not walls or fences, the boundaries between Dreams and Reality, Life and Death, Truth and Lies, or anything consisting of two opposites. This power goes to comical levels; she can never truly die, as she can simply manipulate the border of Life and Death and be alive again (she also did this to another person), and she once created a portal to the moon by looking into the moon's reflection in a lake, and manipulating the border between truth and lies. She's never been truly beaten in any of the games (this is a series where everyone is a Game Breaker), and instead leads the protagonists on behind the scenes.
This doesn't say much in a world where people can move at appreciable fractions of the speed of light, invite mortal souls to death, remove a boundary that keeps the place existing, manipulate fate, or just flat out destroy anything, however. If the characters ever really tried to kill each other, whoever went first would win instantly.

Many of the characters in this thread are still, essentially, human. Therefore, they would most likely be at most planetary threats. The characters in that list are at least universal threats, and probably multiversal threats. However, this does not mean that The Rose Dragon's list is the best, or even the most interesting, except in terms of pure ability. High power levels make certain kinds of plots infeasible; one of the criticisms of Emperor Tippy's view of a highly optimized D&D setting (which I do not agree with) is that it makes the game boring.

Morcleon
2013-07-05, 11:29 AM
Think of it this way: suppose you have a marble in a bowl. If the marble has enough speed, then the marble can go over the lip of the bowl. However, in quantum mechanics, the marble can still go 'over' the bowl even if its speed should not be high enough.

However, if the bowl was infinitely high/deep, then the marble can never roll out of the bowl.

I now have semantic satiation with respect to the word bowl.

I know what quantum tunneling is. I just have a bad habit of remembering the concept, but forgetting what it's called. :smalltongue:

Emmerask
2013-07-05, 11:33 AM
Team Plot Armor of Annoyance:

The Leader: Richard Rahl - I would actually not need anyone else at this point because he is better at anything then everyone

The Lancer Drizzt

The Chick Bella Swan - since everything she says or does is perfect she would become the face of the party

The Smart Guy Wesley Crusher

The Big Guy Hulk - he is as tough as the plot currently demands (duno anyone better suited for the position currently)

Invincible!

IamL
2013-07-05, 01:37 PM
Team Plot Armor of Annoyance:

The Leader: Richard Rahl - I would actually not need anyone else at this point because he is better at anything then everyone

The Lancer Drizzt

The Chick Bella Swan - since everything she says or does is perfect she would become the face of the party

The Smart Guy Wesley Crusher

The Big Guy Hulk - he is as tough as the plot currently demands (duno anyone better suited for the position currently)

Invincible!

Hey, you stole my meat shield!


I know what quantum tunneling is. I just have a bad habit of remembering the concept, but forgetting what it's called.

Are we related?

noparlpf
2013-07-05, 01:57 PM
This is a really tough question. I've been thinking about it all week. Getting party balance is hard due to power differences between genres. For example, if I pick Accelerator from Toaru Majutsu no Index as the tank, most characters from Western novels I've read will seem kind of underpowered by comparison.


Team Plot Armor of Annoyance:

The Leader: Richard Rahl - I would actually not need anyone else at this point because he is better at anything then everyone

The Lancer Drizzt

The Chick Bella Swan - since everything she says or does is perfect she would become the face of the party

The Smart Guy Wesley Crusher

The Big Guy Hulk - he is as tough as the plot currently demands (duno anyone better suited for the position currently)

Invincible!

Team "with a better author, you'd be screwed"?

Prime32
2013-07-05, 03:41 PM
Negi Springfield would make a pretty good leader (particularly for solving the quest in unconventional ways), but he's got so many good supporting characters already that it seems like waste. And giving him supporting characters who aren't female also seems like a waste. :smalltongue:

EDIT: Team Diplomacy
Negi Springfield (Mahou Sensei Negima) - Leader and main strategist, expert on exotic magic
Hero (Maoyu Maou Yuusha) - Teleports the group around, provides heavy artillery, develops economic strategies
Touma Kamijou (A Certain Magical Index) - Incredible tank, can literally punch the prejudice out of people
Yoh Asakura (Shaman King) - Can talk to spirits to find historical context, gain useful abilities or just scout out a region
Avatar Aang (Avatar: The Last Airbender) - Cultural expert, can move around geographical features, can disable enemies without killing them

Given the number of Warrior Therapists (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WarriorTherapist), by the time they reach the final boss it'll be with an army of his own men behind them, and after they're done they'll rebuild the world into a utopia. :smalltongue: On the other hand, they have enormous firepower when they do need to fight. Touma's presence also makes a LotR-style quest extremely easy.


Edit: Jormungand, there may be individual choices that are better, but the power levels of the characters of that list are so high that I doubt that any other list would be appreciably better. Here are some examples of Touhou characters from the TVtropes article on Reality Warpers:
Yukari Yakumo, of the Touhou series, has complete power over boundaries. Not walls or fences, the boundaries between Dreams and Reality, Life and Death, Truth and Lies, or anything consisting of two opposites. This power goes to comical levels; she can never truly die, as she can simply manipulate the border of Life and Death and be alive again (she also did this to another person), and she once created a portal to the moon by looking into the moon's reflection in a lake, and manipulating the border between truth and lies. She's never been truly beaten in any of the games (this is a series where everyone is a Game Breaker), and instead leads the protagonists on behind the scenes.
This doesn't say much in a world where people can move at appreciable fractions of the speed of light, invite mortal souls to death, remove a boundary that keeps the place existing, manipulate fate, or just flat out destroy anything, however. If the characters ever really tried to kill each other, whoever went first would win instantly.Except that hardly any of that is true. Yukari gets beaten all the time, and manipulates others because they can do things she can't; her title as "the sage of the youkai" is well-earned, but she's not even in the top tier of her own setting. Those entries are based on fanfics.

The only one of the other powers that's actually proven (Touhou characters lie about or exaggerate their powers a lot) is "invite mortal souls to death", and the character who has it is so detached and whimsical that she hardly ever uses it even when it would help. Oh, and "remove the boundary that keeps the place existing", but anyone could do that just by cutting down a tree or two.

Jormengand
2013-07-05, 04:20 PM
I doubt that any other list would be appreciably better.
Read the description of Satoru, Lord Klein and go tell me that again. Satoru has the power of boundaries not just between life and death, but between Yes and No, Fact and Fiction. Screw "Appreciable portion of the speed of light," Satoru can be in another universe by the time you've done the hundred metres. The only reason anyone even can kill him is that he created the sword that can. At the same time, he could just reappear. He can metagame. Yes, the actual character has an in-story ability to metagame. He is effectively omnipotent, except in the vicinity of those who rival his power. Which is pretty much no-one.

Animastryfe
2013-07-05, 07:19 PM
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EDIT: Team Diplomacy
Negi Springfield (Mahou Sensei Negima) - Leader and main strategist, expert on exotic magic
Hero (Maoyu Maou Yuusha) - Teleports the group around, provides heavy artillery, develops economic strategies
Touma Kamijou (A Certain Magical Index) - Incredible tank, can literally punch the prejudice out of people
Yoh Asakura (Shaman King) - Can talk to spirits to find historical context, gain useful abilities or just scout out a region
Avatar Aang (Avatar: The Last Airbender) - Cultural expert, can move around geographical features, can disable enemies without killing them

...

Except that hardly any of that is true. Yukari gets beaten all the time, and manipulates others because they can do things she can't; her title as "the sage of the youkai" is well-earned, but she's not even in the top tier of her own setting. Those entries are based on fanfics.

The only one of the other powers that's actually proven (Touhou characters lie about or exaggerate their powers a lot) is "invite mortal souls to death", and the character who has it is so detached and whimsical that she hardly ever uses it even when it would help. Oh, and "remove the boundary that keeps the place existing", but anyone could do that just by cutting down a tree or two.
There's a character called "Hero"? And I thought that Heero Yuy from Gundam Wing was rather blatant.

I was under the impression that the TVtropes descriptions of Touhou characters were correct, and based on canon. If not, then ignore my previous posts on Touhou. However, I am also under the impression that nearly none of the very powerful characters are fighting seriously; they're basically playing. Is this true? Also, from the English Touhou wiki, I do not see anything in Yukari's article contradicting that TVtropes quote.


Read the description of Satoru, Lord Klein and go tell me that again. Satoru has the power of boundaries not just between life and death, but between Yes and No, Fact and Fiction. Screw "Appreciable portion of the speed of light," Satoru can be in another universe by the time you've done the hundred metres. The only reason anyone even can kill him is that he created the sword that can. At the same time, he could just reappear. He can metagame. Yes, the actual character has an in-story ability to metagame. He is effectively omnipotent, except in the vicinity of those who rival his power. Which is pretty much no-one.
That sounds very much like one of the Touhou character's power (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari#Abilities).
Edit: I cannot find information on this character.

Note that The Rose Dragon did not include any Touhou characters in the list; I suggested that one of the characters be replaced by a Touhou character. Therefore, any incorrect statements I make should not detract from The Rose Dragon's list.

Heliomance
2013-07-05, 07:49 PM
There's a character called "Hero"? And I thought that Heero Yuy from Gundam Wing was rather blatant.

Other characters include Demon King, Lady Knight, Head Maid, Wizard, etc. No-one in that series has an actual name, they're all referred to by their roles, as a deliberate stylistic choice.

sparky9042
2013-07-05, 08:16 PM
Team Kill it With Fire:

The Leader: Roy Mustang
The Tactical Mastermind/The Face: Tyrion Lannister
The Spellcaster: Vaarsuvius
The (Literal) Dragon: Trodgor the Burninator
The Token Evil Guy: Black Mage Evilwizardington

Moriwen
2013-07-05, 08:45 PM
Team I Can Kill You With My Brain:
The Big Guy:River Tam
The Lancer: Willow Rosenberg
The Leader: Ender Wiggin
The (Even More) Smart Guy: Sherlock Holmes (Sherlock)
The Chick: Athena (Percy Jackson & the Olympians)


Low on firepower, but they're probably just manipulating minions for that anyway.

noparlpf
2013-07-05, 09:11 PM
Touma Kamijou (A Certain Magical Index) - Incredible tank, can literally punch the prejudice out of people

That's 100% plot armor though. Seriously, give me any of the other peoples' powers and I would kick his ass, anti-magic right hand or no. Everybody just fights stupidly. Accelerator at least has the power to do serious damage, even if he's not the smartest about it at times.

Jormengand
2013-07-06, 06:44 AM
That sounds very much like one of the Touhou character's power (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari#Abilities).
Edit: I cannot find information on this character.

That character no longer exists. Why? Because Satoru. That's why.

Unsurprising. Adventures of the Writer is not exactly a big thing.

Prime32
2013-07-06, 09:56 AM
Also, from the English Touhou wiki, I do not see anything in Yukari's article contradicting that TVtropes quote.A lot of the information on Yukari comes from in-universe materials, and most of the information was provided by interviews with Yukari herself. Yukari likes to be mysterious, as a youkai she's dependent on human fear to exist, and said publication was intended for humans. The author even says she included information she knew was wrong, because her interviewees asked her to and there wasn't any harm in people being more wary of youkai.

When you look at things Yukari has actually done, she runs into stumbling blocks all the time. There are several characters who Yukari herself has said would squash her like a bug even if she had backup (in internal monologue no less). Her teleportation power is severely limited - she needs multiple trips to get most places, and the people living on the moon are usually able to block it. While she probably helped design the barrier around Gensokyo, it's been stated that it's far beyond her ability to construct, and she needs the help of others to maintain and repair it.

Yukari manipulating boundaries, rather than just seeing magical barriers and creating portals, has never been shown - the only reason we have to believe she can do that is she says she can, and she has every reason to lie.

tomandtish
2013-07-06, 11:16 AM
I've shamelessly stolen this from someone else, and I can't remember who.

Imagine you have to assemble a team to complete <insert standard fantasy quest here>. You need five people, and you can only take one person from any given world or series. Oh, and no Elminster, he's too good :P
Who do you pick?

My (incomplete) team:

The leader: Gaius "Tavi" Octavian, from Jim Butcher's Codex Alera. Strong elemental and self-buff magic, excellent hand-to-hand skills thanks to aforementioned buffs, natural leadership and tactical skills, and an absolute genius for thinking outside the box.

The rogue: Puss in Boots from Shrek. Small, skilled in combat, capable of moving silently, and a very good pickpocket and lockpicker.

The meatshield: Black Swordsman Kirito, from Sword Art Online (version from Alfheim). Slightly cheating, as it's a character in an in-universe VR game, not he himself, but meh. Inhuman strength, speed, and swordsmanship, flight, some illusion magic, and a truly terrifying monstrous transformation spell.

The healer: Haven't decided, but I'm leaning towards someone from Final Fantasy, because white mages are often summoners as well, and the Final Fantasy summons are amazing.

For my last member, I'm torn. I don't have a versatile mage yet - Tavi is powerful, but only has elemental manipulation magic aside from his buffs. On the other hand, it's very tempting to take Veralidaine "Daine" Sarrasri from Tamora Pierce's Tortall setting. She's a wild mage. She can shapeshift into animals, and she can talk with any animal or animalian magical creature. Also, pretty much all natural animals and most magical creatures adore her, and will happily do what she asks. With her on your team, every creature in the forest is a potential spy or saboteur. Also, her very presence and care passively makes the animals around smarter. Tough choice.

Heh. Wonder if you stole it from me, since I put it in my signature about a month ago. Just a joke with a friend who saw my shirt and asked what my team was.

Note: If you’re using the rules I posted you can’t use Tavi. That series is done according to Jim Butcher. To paraphrase fantasy football, no grabbing characters who have completed their seasons.

But since you are the one making it more formal, change it up and let’s see what people come up with. Now, how do we assign points….?

noparlpf
2013-07-06, 11:34 AM
Note: If you’re using the rules I posted you can’t use Tavi. That series is done according to Jim Butcher. To paraphrase fantasy football, no grabbing characters who have completed their seasons.

So does that also rule out characters from old series? Like series whose authors are dead, like many of the classics, mythology, &c.? :smallconfused:

tomandtish
2013-07-06, 12:00 PM
MY rule was that the series had to be current. However, I just did this as a post in my signature as a bit of humor. Since Heliomance seems to be making a formal thing of it, I'll let him set the rules. I'll simply point out that taking a completed series spoils the final success (or lack thereof) of the character and affects drafting decision.

Song of Fire and Ice Spoiler

Case in point, I think most people would draft Ned Stark at the very beginning of Game of Thrones, and we know how that turns out. You wouldn't draft him now.

In Fantasy Football you can't draft players who are retired (completed their "series") or are cut from their teams and not picked up by another (dead in their "series").

Song of Fire and Ice Spoiler

And given the way Martin writes, I'm treating Jon Snow as on Injured Reserve until I see a body!

Maryring
2013-07-06, 06:01 PM
The strongest youkai of Touhou is apparently Yuuka, whose power is flowers. She's apparently stronger than the one who can float out of reality, rewrite history or destroy anything. Power levels in that setting is all over the place, and completely silly.

If I was gonna design a team, it would have to be a team I would want to read the exploits of. It's the overcoming of obstacles that make a story interesting to read. So, my team would probably be.

Female Robin from Fire Emblem Awakening: A tactical genius, capable of wielding sword and sorcery with equal proficiency, but even more important is that she denies the notion of "neccessary sacrifice". None shall die needlessly. There's also going to be a desperate need for a diplomat who can keep this diverse group glued together.

Serene from Riviera: The Promised Land: The ability to fly, strong and determined. Add on some survivors guilt and potential racism against one of the other party members and you have a recipe for interesting.

Fall-From-Grace from Planescape: The potential for conflict between her and Serene appeals to me. As a character she is also highly interesting and perhaps the best example of a demon turned lawful good done well. (Yes, I know the game puts her as LN, but frankly, both her and Annah have some pretty strong good leanings).

Terra from Final Fantasy VI: All adventuring parties need their source of internalized angst. Throw in a dose of red-mageish skills, the ability to swing a mean sword, a powerful transformation and the ability to be stealthy and teleport the group around as needed is always going to be appreciated.

Raven from Teen Titans: I suppose all adventuring groups need their share of sheer power. And while this means there's two wizards, two reds and just one dedicated fighter, lots of magic can't ever go wrong, can it?

And to think I managed to keep it all inside the theme of "heroic non-human females".

nedz
2013-07-06, 06:44 PM
MY rule was that the series had to be current. However, I just did this as a post in my signature as a bit of humor. Since Heliomance seems to be making a formal thing of it, I'll let him set the rules. I'll simply point out that taking a completed series spoils the final success (or lack thereof) of the character and affects drafting decision.

My team is just resting, nailed to the thread as they are.

Heliomance
2013-07-06, 07:17 PM
MY rule was that the series had to be current. However, I just did this as a post in my signature as a bit of humor. Since Heliomance seems to be making a formal thing of it, I'll let him set the rules. I'll simply point out that taking a completed series spoils the final success (or lack thereof) of the character and affects drafting decision.

Just a note - I'm a chick, not a dude!


Forcing current characters only is too restrictive for me, I think. By those rules, any character from a stand-alone movie or book is unavailable, which sucks. Also almost all the Final Fantasy characters are blocked, as each Final Fantasy game is an entirely new story unrelated to the previous ones.

tomandtish
2013-07-06, 08:04 PM
Fair enough. As I said, mine was originally just a little joke post so anyone who wants to take it and run with it is more than welcome to.

And apologies for the gender confusion. :redface:

Animastryfe
2013-07-07, 05:29 PM
Other characters include Demon King, Lady Knight, Head Maid, Wizard, etc. No-one in that series has an actual name, they're all referred to by their roles, as a deliberate stylistic choice.

Interesting. I should read a little about that series.


A lot of the information on Yukari comes from in-universe materials, and most of the information was provided by interviews with Yukari herself. Yukari likes to be mysterious, as a youkai she's dependent on human fear to exist, and said publication was intended for humans. The author even says she included information she knew was wrong, because her interviewees asked her to and there wasn't any harm in people being more wary of youkai.

When you look at things Yukari has actually done, she runs into stumbling blocks all the time. There are several characters who Yukari herself has said would squash her like a bug even if she had backup (in internal monologue no less). Her teleportation power is severely limited - she needs multiple trips to get most places, and the people living on the moon are usually able to block it. While she probably helped design the barrier around Gensokyo, it's been stated that it's far beyond her ability to construct, and she needs the help of others to maintain and repair it.

Yukari manipulating boundaries, rather than just seeing magical barriers and creating portals, has never been shown - the only reason we have to believe she can do that is she says she can, and she has every reason to lie.

Ah, so it's a case of in-universe propaganda and misinformation. Interesting.

Morcleon, can Bernkastel decrease entropy globally? I'm somewhat rusty in statistical physics. Even if she can not, it seems that she is still extraordinarily powerful.

Prime32
2013-07-07, 07:15 PM
Interesting. I should read a little about that series.There's a light novel that hasn't been translated very far or very well, an anime adaptation, and multiple manga adaptations. The manga subtitled "Hero, become mine!" "I refuse!" is by far the best version of the story (as well as the one with the most material).

The Rose Dragon
2013-07-07, 07:35 PM
Speaking of which, there is a character actually named Hero in Y: the Last Man (as in, that's her legal name). Of course, the title of the series being Y: the Last Man, she is not the protagonist of the series. That title goes to her brother, Yorick.

Morcleon
2013-07-07, 08:54 PM
Morcleon, can Bernkastel decrease entropy globally? I'm somewhat rusty in statistical physics. Even if she can not, it seems that she is still extraordinarily powerful.

Um... Globally as in universally? Yes. Bernkastel exists on the conceptual realm, unaffected by mental, physical and spiritual attacks. One of her battles with a similarly powerful being (Lambdadelta), created and destroyed universes with each blow.

If you mean globally as in all of existence, that is unknown.

Creed
2013-07-07, 09:50 PM
This is such a good concept.


Leader and Face: Danny Ocean, the main character and mastermind in the Ocean's series. Criminal mastermind, with a skill for careful planning that rivals John "Hannibal" Smith of the A-Team, but with a high charisma score to boot.

Fighter: The Terminator, Model 101, also known as the quintessential Terminator that appears throughout the Terminator franchise.

Roguish Person: Jack Burton, truck driver and hero of the 1986 John Carpenter cult film, Big Trouble in Little China. This spot goes to him purely to supply witty one liners.

Glass Cannon: Can I pick Criss Angel? No? Didn't think so.
Imhotep, more commonly known as The Mummy from The Mummy as well as it's sequel. Well, technically he's an ancient necromantic Egyptian priest. But, hey, it was the ancient world, religious glass cannon could have been a thing.

Flex Position: Elliot Salem, former Army Ranger and Mercenary from Army of Two. Why him and not the other protagonist, Tyson Rios? Salem's wisecracking method of firepower application meshes better with the feel of the group to me for some reason.


Is this the most effective team? Not by a long shot. Will they succeed?

Probably not. But their failure will be hilarious.

:smalltongue:

Ailowynn
2013-07-09, 11:25 PM
Front liner/Mage/healer: Eragon (Inheritance cycle). Ancient Language means he can basically do anything with magic.

Skillllll Moooonkey: Kvothe (Kingkiller Chronicles). Because he's a frickin' genius, and a pretty great fighter. (To be clear, I mean Kvothe at his prime, not "Kote").

Leader: Aragorn (LotR). He can fight, and he is an excellent guide and leader.

Ummm...that's pretty much all I can think of; anything else would be superfluous. Maybe Richard Rahl and someone from HP.

Karoht
2013-07-10, 10:50 AM
"We're the Blue Falcon, Don Knotts, and Weird Al Yankovic. We can do ANYTHING!"-- Weird Al, to Johnny Bravo.
Add in Johnny Bravo and my team is nearly complete. The addition of Mr Bravo is more or less a counterbalance, he brings the awesome to be sure, but a different kind of awesome.
Last spot? Hmmm. Spiderman.

ForzaFiori
2013-07-11, 08:01 AM
Leader: The Doctor (any variation, though personally I think 9 might be best for a team that actually ever has to be violent.) - Brilliant, used to leading a team, plus the usefulness of the screwdriver and TARDIS can't be overstated.

Rogue: Sherlock Holmes (preferably accompanied by Watson). - Both Holmes and Watson are capable of handling their selves in a fight, plus Holmes has the typical roguish skills picked up in the PI business.

Meatshield: The Incredible Hulk. - Basically invincible, can beat up gods, and when he isn't raging out, you have a brilliant scientist.

Healer: Dende (Dragon Ball Z) - can heal you back to health from anything that isn't death, plus has the usual slew of powers in the show - flying, energy balls, all that fun stuff.

Wizard: Gandalf. - he's THE wizard of modern fantasy.

Jay R
2013-07-11, 09:23 AM
My team is picked for general competence, as well as the specific roles:

Leader: Bond. James Bond.

Thief: Hannibal Hayes (best safecracker ever shown on screen)

Ranger: John Clayton, Lord Greystoke.

Martial Artist: Emma Peel.

Fighter: Benedict of Amber.

Bard: Taliesin.

Mage: Wanda Maximoff (even her name has "wand" in it).

Archeologist: Henry Jones Jr.

The Face: Bret Maverick (or better yet, Pappy).

Lentrax
2013-07-11, 12:08 PM
Hmmm. Even my one man Walken team may need some backup here...

Good thing he knows a few people... Lets see. Lets make a Starship bridge crew using scifi characters starting with my existing team.

Captain: Christopher Walken.

XO: Wedge Antilles. A natural leader with the ability to call in a squadron of star fighter pilot commandos? Natural choice.

Tactical: FemShep.

Engineer: The Fourth Doctor. He can get you out of any situation, get anything working again, and still offer you a jelly baby in a crisis.

Helm: Hikaru Sulu. Arguably the best pilot in Starfleet. Plus he can fence. With a katana.

Medical: The EMH. Why? Just so I can listen to an opera while having an amazingly smooth operation done in a battle situation.

Heliomance
2013-07-11, 04:36 PM
Hmmm. Even my one man Walken team may need some backup here...

Good thing he knows a few people... Lets see. Lets make a Starship bridge crew using scifi characters starting with my existing team.

Captain: Christopher Walken.

XO: Wedge Antilles. A natural leader with the ability to call in a squadron of star fighter pilot commandos? Natural choice.

Tactical: FemShep.

Engineer: The Fourth Doctor. He can get you out of any situation, get anything working again, and still offer you a jelly baby in a crisis.

Helm: Hikaru Sulu. Arguably the best pilot in Starfleet. Plus he can fence. With a katana.

Medical: The EMH. Why? Just so I can listen to an opera while having an amazingly smooth operation done in a battle situation.

I was just about to suggest doing a sci-fi squad. Not sure Shepard should be allowed though - too customisable!

My choices:

Leader: Honor Harrington. Tactical genius, natural leader, terrifying martial artist and markswoman, surprisingly good with a sword. Also she's an empath and can tell when people are lying to her. And she has a pet/bonded partner that's been likened to an angry buzzsaw in combat, and is also empathic.

Technical: Sam Carter, from Stargate. Competent soldier, and one of Earth's best minds, with plenty of experience reverse engineering alien tech.

Rogue/Infiltrator: Odo, from Deep Space Nine. Security expert, also he's a shapeshifter. Nuff said.

Pilot/Combat/whatever else: Samus Aran. Not many people are as much of a jack-of-all-trades as her, and she's definitely my heaviest combat monster.

Support: Tassadar, from Starcraft. Psionic alien with incredible powers, he can do support and battlefield control like nobody's business.

I don't have a medic, sticking to the five-man format. I'm not sure who I'd choose, either - maybe a Jedi? Robo from Chrono Trigger would be good, actually.

Razanir
2013-07-11, 04:57 PM
Leader Mat Cauthon, Wheel of Time
Rogue Samwise Gamgee, Lord of the Rings
Brute Force Toph Bei Fong, Avatar: the Last Airbender
Healer Lana, Gone
Brains Albus Percival Wolfric Brian Dumbledore, Harry Potter

People also considered: Nynaeve, the Doctor, Rumbleroar, Snape, Aragorn, Bilbo, Asami Sato, Sokka

B Team made of rejects, just because I feel like it:
Leader– Asami
Rogue– Bilbo
Brute Force– Sokka (Only 4 universes are represented among the rejects)
Healer– Nynaeve
Brains– the Doctor

Jay R
2013-07-12, 01:26 AM
My ultimate science fiction team is picked purely for survival skills.

Leader of away team: Lazarus Long.

Captain: Aaron Sheffield.

Pilot: Woodrow Wilson Smith.

Bard:" "Happy" Daze.

Doctor: Lafe Hubert.

Cleric: His Serenity Seraphim the Younger.

Soldier: Corporal Ted Bronson.

Colonist: Ernest Gibbons.

This team will survive anything.

dehro
2013-07-12, 01:52 AM
the Leader: G'Kar from Babylon 5
the Meatshield: Riddick
the Healer: Granny Weatherwax
the Mage: Belgarath

grimbold
2013-07-18, 06:38 AM
The Leader: Aragorn kind of a classic...
The Wizard: Raistlin (although he might be to powerful...)
The Doctor:Who? (I had to, i'm sorry)
The Fighter: Thor *looks at mjollnir necklace* eeeyup
The Rogue: Hunter S Thompson because he's frikkin hunter s thompson

Traab
2013-07-18, 07:35 AM
The Leader/Tank: Belgarion, The God Slayer, King of Riva, and Overlord of the West. The man is a serious monster in melee combat, dude killed a god in a sword fight, and has cut vast swathes of carnage through large groups of enemies. Add to that he is a very powerful wizard with an artifact that is so unimaginably powerful it was once used to literally crack the world, and could even move the stars to spell out his name if he wanted.

The Wizard: Vanyel Ashkevron, The Last Herald Mage of Valdemar (well, for the longest time he was at least) Incredibly powerful, magically speaking, has fought demons, mages, and armies, and wiped them all out.

The Rogue: Jarlaxle, The head of a house of clanless drow mercenaries, he is a man of mystery and intrigue. Either has or can find information on anyone or anything, is covered in magical items with a wide variety of confirmed and suspected powers, can be whatever he wants to be, including incredibly stealthy and deadly in a fight.

The Healer: Nynaeve al'Meara of the Yellow Ajah. One of the greatest and most powerful healers in the world, she is also a very powerful fighter, able to match figures of legend in sheer strength.

Prime32
2013-07-18, 08:29 AM
Hmmm... any ideas for a team of iconic D&D NPCs, each from a different campaign setting?

Jormengand
2013-07-18, 12:39 PM
Hmmm... any ideas for a team of iconic D&D NPCs, each from a different campaign setting?

I nominate Echean from PF as the spellcaster.

Jay R
2013-07-18, 11:45 PM
Hmmm... any ideas for a team of iconic D&D NPCs, each from a different campaign setting?

Well, we'd need a Chaotic Good Drow Ranger, but I have no idea who we could get for that.

Amaril
2013-07-18, 11:53 PM
The fighter: Alistair from Dragon Age: Origins
The face: Kvothe from The Kingkiller Chronicle
The healer: Croaker from The Black Company
The skillmonkey: Vlad Taltos from the works of Steven Brust
The caster: Hermione Granger

Chosen purely by my preferences for characters rather than ability. Fantasy characters only--no sci-fi or otherwise.

Penguinator
2013-07-19, 12:39 AM
Team Webcomics:

Leader: Lord Hamster, Erfworld.
Fighter: Grace, El Goonish Shive. (Really, she could fill most roles)
Rogue: Thief, 8-Bit Theater.
Wizard: Richard, Looking for Group.
Cleric: Gregory Deegan, Dominic Deegan. (I... couldn't think of anyone else who wasn't from a repeat series.)

Traab
2013-07-20, 06:24 AM
Well, we'd need a Chaotic Good Drow Ranger, but I have no idea who we could get for that.

There was a guy who was almost that, cant remember if he was an npc or not though, leggy something I think. Just reskin him as black and there yah go!

ShadowFireLance
2013-07-20, 08:55 PM
Team of "Your dead, no matter what"

Leader: Asmodeus. How can you beat this guy? (hint: you don't.)

Lancer: Blackheart (The most powerful one, forget which)

Smart Guy: Brainiac. He's dangerous.

Big Guy: Destroyah. Plain and simple.

The Chick: Alma Wade.

Yeah, good luck trying to beat this.

Morcleon
2013-07-20, 09:05 PM
Team of "Your dead, no matter what"

Leader: Asmodeus. How can you beat this guy? (hint: you don't.)

Lancer: Blackheart (The most powerful one, forget which)

Smart Guy: Brainiac. He's dangerous.

Big Guy: Destroyah. Plain and simple.

The Chick: Alma Wade.

Yeah, good luck trying to beat this.

...>.>

...<.<

...one word. Bernkastel. :smallcool:

[QUOTE=Morcleon;15529200]...Wizard: Lady Bernkastel (Umineko). She makes anything happen with a probability >0%. Add in quantum probability theories and she can do everything..../QUOTE]

ShadowFireLance
2013-07-20, 09:30 PM
You realize, that you're dealing with Asmodeus, right? She's more then likely about dead by the time she learns about him. :smalltongue:

Morcleon
2013-07-20, 09:40 PM
You realize, that you're dealing with Asmodeus, right? She's more then likely about dead by the time she learns about him. :smalltongue:

Is this the D&D Asmodeus or the Christianity Asmodeus? :smallconfused: The former gets curbstomped, and the latter I don't know enough about to tell. :smalltongue:

She creates and destroys universes. This (http://deadliestfictionalwarrior.wikispaces.com/Frederica+Bernkastel) sums things up nicely.

ShadowFireLance
2013-07-20, 09:49 PM
Is this the D&D Asmodeus or the Christianity Asmodeus? :smallconfused: The former gets curbstomped, and the latter I don't know enough about to tell. :smalltongue:

She creates and destroys universes. This (http://deadliestfictionalwarrior.wikispaces.com/Frederica+Bernkastel) sums things up nicely.

>.> Well.
I think that's just about a Mary sue. :smalltongue:

Now, the D&D one, Lets put it a bit more into perspective. He. Does. Not. Fail. He has about 30 Contingencies if his coffee isn't right in the morning. As a added bonus, He's also the creator of the known multiverse. :smallbiggrin:
So, I would say he's about equal to her.

Morcleon
2013-07-20, 10:06 PM
>.> Well.
I think that's just about a Mary sue. :smalltongue:

Now, the D&D one, Lets put it a bit more into perspective. He. Does. Not. Fail. He has about 30 Contingencies if his coffee isn't right in the morning. As a added bonus, He's also the creator of the known multiverse. :smallbiggrin:
So, I would say he's about equal to her.

Yeah, probably. It's part of the reason her fan nickname is Trollkastel. :smalltongue:

If you look at the powers section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmodeus_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#Powers.2C_abilitie s.2C_and_resources), it notes that it requires powerful magics to kill him. Bernkastel requires the very concept of her existence to be attacked. And then she can just will herself back into being. :smallwink::smalltongue:

Jormengand
2013-07-21, 04:04 AM
Bernkastel requires the very concept of her existence to be attacked. And then she can just will herself back into being. :smallwink::smalltongue:

I'm sorry, You appear to have been written out of this universe. Please try again.

oblivion6
2013-07-22, 12:17 PM
Lots of love for the David Eddings characters I see. Warms my heart to see that.


The Leader/Tank: Belgarion, The God Slayer, King of Riva, and Overlord of the West. The man is a serious monster in melee combat, dude killed a god in a sword fight, and has cut vast swathes of carnage through large groups of enemies. Add to that he is a very powerful wizard with an artifact that is so unimaginably powerful it was once used to literally crack the world, and could even move the stars to spell out his name if he wanted.


The Rogue: Jarlaxle, The head of a house of clanless drow mercenaries, he is a man of mystery and intrigue. Either has or can find information on anyone or anything, is covered in magical items with a wide variety of confirmed and suspected powers, can be whatever he wants to be, including incredibly stealthy and deadly in a fight.

Unstoppable team right here. Belgarion is truly a nightmare on the battlefield(lets not forget he can blow open gates, negating any fortifications) and Jarlaxe is... well, Jarlaxe. He can handle just about any situation that may arise.

Fantasy Team
Tough. I need to make an effort to include more than Suikoden characters in this...

The Leader: King Ferid(before he died). Not only one of the finest swordsman out there, he is a charismatic leader.

The Fighter: Mandalorren. Umm, Baron of Vo Mandor, most feared man in Arendia with a reputation in even Mallorea. Yeah, he'll go toe-to-toe with anyone.

Rogue/Moneymaker: Silk/Prince Kheldar/Ambar of Kotu/Whatever alias he wants to use. Infamous cheat, swindler, greatest thief in the world.

Wizard: Jeanne(Suikoden). Yeah, no comment.

Meatshield: Skitter. Not physically tough but one can argue her power over bugs allows creation of multiple shields.

Meatshield 2(assuming people don't like Skitter): Leviathan. Endbringer capable of withstanding immense punishment from dozens of heavy-hitters. Can dish out massive damage given proximity to water.

Intelligence: Tattletale. Given even a general idea of a person, she can find out every secret there is to know about them. Occasionally forced to make generalizations and speculations, but better than nothing.

OverdrivePrime
2013-07-22, 04:37 PM
Cheesy 90's Live Action TV list!

Paladin: Duncan Macleod of the clan Macleod (http://youtu.be/glqVFiCRx6k).

Witch: Willow Rosenberg (http://youtu.be/oRVn5BjtWGM)

Berserker: Xena, Warrior Princess (http://youtu.be/6HWzLFENYX4)

Rogue: Autolycus, King of Thieves (http://youtu.be/j_JCnpbnLM0)

Healbot: Beverly Crusher (http://youtu.be/_uRu_PHdDLM)

Jay R
2013-07-23, 09:54 AM
Whoever you have for your Thief or Rogue, he or she isn't the best. By definition, the identity of the best one would not be known by anyone.

Lentrax
2013-07-23, 10:12 AM
Anyone who speaks thusly of Autolycus, clearly has no idea that that is his point.

ShadowFireLance
2013-07-23, 04:11 PM
Yeah, probably. It's part of the reason her fan nickname is Trollkastel. :smalltongue:

If you look at the powers section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmodeus_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#Powers.2C_abilitie s.2C_and_resources), it notes that it requires powerful magics to kill him. Bernkastel requires the very concept of her existence to be attacked. And then she can just will herself back into being. :smallwink::smalltongue:


Pish. Wrong Asmodeus, I'm talking 2Ed Planescape Asdmodeus. The guy who made half of the known multiverse. :smallbiggrin:

Morcleon
2013-07-23, 04:27 PM
Pish. Wrong Asmodeus, I'm talking 2Ed Planescape Asdmodeus. The guy who made half of the known multiverse. :smallbiggrin:

Bernkastel could create a multiverse if she wanted. And she could simply keep trying again and again to defeat him until he falls. :smallwink:

Stake A Vamp
2013-07-23, 09:00 PM
Leader: Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly. he is a strong and compassionate leader.
Meat shield: Captain Jack Harkness, from Torchwood, unkillable, fearless, and handy with a gun
Rogue: Bran Stark, from Game Of Thrones, clever, animal spying, he can control animals for a sneak attack.
Healer: Castiel from Supernatural he has angel powers that can even bring back the dead.
Mage: Dark Willow, From the Buffy season 6 finale, she has near limitless power and loves to use it.

ShadowFireLance
2013-07-24, 02:09 AM
Bernkastel could create a multiverse if she wanted. And she could simply keep trying again and again to defeat him until he falls. :smallwink:

And when did she enter the scene? Asmodeus beats her with pure fanbase. :smalltongue: :smallbiggrin: :smallwink:

Morcleon
2013-07-24, 10:48 AM
And when did she enter the scene? Asmodeus beats her with pure fanbase. :smalltongue: :smallbiggrin: :smallwink:

Technically, her first appearance is in 2002, but her first appearance while being actually shown is in 2007. >.>

PlusSixPelican
2013-08-10, 09:17 AM
Let's do this!

The rogue: Heather, from Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.
Why? Heather is cunning, manipulative, and perfectly willing to do wetworks, which is essentially what a Rogue is there for. She can avoid nearly anything thrown at her with a clever tumble, and is quite swift, making her no slouch when it comes to the action.
The meat shield: Finn the Human, from Adventure Time.
Why? Despite being "just a kid", Finn can take insane amounts of punishment that go far beyond just hit dice or even plot armor; and this is before him likely getting an inventory more than a pair of shorts and a cool hat in a traditional adventure. On top of surviving lava, solo fights with liches, and regular toss-ups with a myriad of monsters, he's got an intrinsic savvy to fantasy tropes that would be valuable on any team of adults, making him more than just dumb muscle.
The healer: Josh Foley, aka Elixir, from the X-Men series.
Why? The healer doesn't need to necessarily use magic, and ideally functions in the most situations possible, as such, Elixir. Works in an AMF, can heal/harm with equal power, and has vast powers that would work on any of the party member's varying physiological makeups.
The magic person: The Master, from The Venture Bros. cartoon.
Why? A shapeshifting extradimensional archmage who isn't EVIL is very hard to find, and certainly if one also appreciates mirth. And as far as adventure-ready magic users, it doesn't get much better than the shapreshifting extradimensional archmagi. He's got enough wisdom to make everyone better along the way, but in indirect ways that still provide narrative tension.
The leader: Blossom, from The Powerpuff Girls.
Why? As the song goes, "Blossom, Commander and the leader!" That should be a sufficient explanation. In this group, the last person they expect to be in charge is the adorable little girl, and if she can play the part (which she probably can), she'll seem more like the Tagalong Kid unless she has to reveal her leadership of the group. She can also serve as party face, because she's unfailingly patient and polite. And she can fight like a champ thanks to super strength, flight, heat vision, ice breath, and a bunch of other abilities, making her roughly post-Crisis Superman without being as visually obvious.

My team is intentionally an odd bunch, although they're all good (enough) at heart (and their functions), and their radically different settings and opinions would mash up pretty hilariously; no one said I had to have a dour team. :3

rs2excelsior
2013-08-11, 12:16 PM
I've seen some Fantasy characters and some Sci-Fi characters here, so I'm going to make two teams.

Fantasy Team:
Leader/Guide: Gandalf (LOTR). Leads like every quest in the Lord of the Rings universe. Good with magic, his sword, whacking people with a staff, and doing plot-critical things at plot-critical moments.
Tactician/Second-in-Command: Annabeth Chase (Percy Jackson). Good fighter and excellent tactical mind. That girl is scary.
Fighter: Rictus (the Macht series). In the first scene of the series, he's running away without his shield after his army routed, and he still nearly kills three attackers. He then continues to be awesome for three books.
Mage: Harry Dresden (Dresden Files). Magic AND a pistol. Gotta love it.
Wild Card: Harper Blaine (Greywalker). She's pretty good in a fight, has faced vampires, and can talk to dead people. That can be useful.

Science Fiction Team:
Commander: Honor Harrington (Honorverse). She's levelheaded, tactically brilliant, and when the bad guys did capture her, she single-handedly conquered the prison planet they put her on.
Security: Michael Garibaldi (Babylon 5). He's a wild card and highly unpredictable, but has a knack for covert operations and he will find a way to kill his enemies, even if he's dead.
Infantryman: Juan Rico (Starship Troopers). The book, not the movies. Powered armor that carries nuclear missiles as personal weapons. Preferably he could bring a few of his MI friends, of course.
Tanker: Danny Pritchard (Hammer's Slammers). Led a company of Hammer's tanks, which are perhaps the most awesome things in the history of awesome things. Of course, he'd bring his tank along.
Wild Card: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Star Wars). The Force, a lightsaber, and a habit of ending fights by removing the attacker's arm.