Earliest entry for Telfmmar shadowlord without flaws?

[CyberThread]

What is the earliest entry you can think of for a telfmmar shadowlord without flaws?


Am looking over my options and am not liking it very much.

L1 Dodge
L3 Mobility
L6 Blind Fight
L9 spring attack

Making it , I can't enter the class until level 10(11 if using template ) ?

[Novawurmson]

Well, all of them are Fighter bonus feats.

So
1 - Dodge
Fighter 1 - Mobility
Fighter 2 - Blind Fight
3 - (any)
Fighter 4 - Spring Attack

Edit: Maybe do human with Able Learner for the skills (I'm a Pathfinder guy, so cross-class skills are something that happens to other people : P).

[CyberThread]

as it is already heavy on feats, and mask as a god requirement.


Mask has a domain that gets access to blind fight, would that be worth it over one of the fighter dips?


I don't know....


Cliostered cleric Dodge blind fight
Fighter mobility
Fighter
rogue
Rogue
rogue I meet my +4 bab so can get spring attack I also get my 2d6 sneak attack needs

Can't get into telf until level 8 so...

I don't know prc into a one level dip of assassin?

[Aegis013]

It's only worth doing the Cleric if you're not concerned about losing the BAB or the other domain you pick up will provide a significant benefit from its domain power. Or if you desperately need the skills.

[Kuulvheysoon]

Hmmm... the earliest I've got is Scout 1/Cobra Strike Monk 6 with the Improved Skirmish feat (ECL 7).

You get Hide/Move Silently as class skills, skirmish=SA for entry, and you get Dodge, Mobility and Spring Attack as monk bonus feats.

This should be earliest entry, barring skill/HD shenanigans.

[CyberThread]

Hmm maybe, then again we are doing fractional bab and saves,so I need to look up that math when am not tired.

[Snowbluff]

Being a human would chop quite a few levels off.


as it is already heavy on feats, and mask as a god requirement.


Mask has a domain that gets access to blind fight, would that be worth it over one of the fighter dips?

Yes.

[lsfreak]

Mobility is available as a flat-cost armor enhancement.

If you take a monk dip for feats, I'd suggest dropping evasion for Invisible Fist. 1/3 round invisibility as an immediate action. Lets you full attack-sneak attack when you're saving your teleports or out for the encounter/day.

[Snowbluff]

The best Entry Method would probably be Human Paragon2/Swordsage5 with the template.

[CyberThread]

Hmm....can you explain to me like am 5 on how a monk like build would work out?

[Jacque]

The feat requirements makes the prestige class annoying to enter, but I found the +2d6 sneak attack and dimension door requirements much more challenging to fulfill without having to spend too many levels.

My current Shadowlord uses a Feat Rogue 2 / Swordsage 5 build. It requires me to use Assassin's Stance for the sneak attack bonus and my GM allowed the teleport maneuvers from shadow hand to be sufficiently qualifying for the dimension door requirement.

[CyberThread]

Hmm...some interesting points all around, I think no matter how I do this, it won't come out pretty.