The Other Prophecy

[skim172]

So, I was re-reading the books the other day and realized that there's another prophecy about Belkar that I'm not entirely sure has been fulfilled.

(It was from a bonus strip near the end of "Don't Split the Party," so just to be safe, I'll spoiler it.)

In #665a, Hinjo comments to Belkar that he doesn't understand why Mr. Scruffy likes Belkar, and then there's a brief flashback to Shojo, Mr. Scruffy, and Sangwoon.

Shojo asks Sangwoon what she thinks about using the Mark of Justice on Belkar. Sangwoon replies, "I see him saving your nephew's life. Twice."

So my question is: Has Sangwoon's prophecy been fulfilled? And if it hasn't, does that give us a clue as to when (or even how) Belkar stabs his way off the mortal coil?

Off the top of my head, I could only remember one obvious instance (#435 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0435.html)), when Belkar killed the assassin mid-battle. Looking through the archives, I found one other incident that might fit the bill (#455 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0455.html)), when Belkar Fear'd and Flame'd the hobgoblin archers right before they fired on the party + Hinjo. But that one seems kind of weak. It wasn't just Hinjo at risk, and really, it was a temporary stall - the party got shot up anyway and survived easily.

So maybe we know Belkar has at least one thing left to do before biting the bucket and kicking the farm.


Apologies if this is one of those that's been brought up and hashed out ad nauseum already.

[Kish]

Brought up, yes.

Ever resolved, as such? No. Some people think Sangwaan meant when Belkar forced the Eye of Fear and Flame to blast the hobgoblins who were about to shoot Hinjo et al.; others think Hinjo would have survived that and something more overt is required to fulfill the prophecy.

[ChristianSt]

I stumbled about it recently, too. As I couldn't think about a second time, I did a quick search and found that there where some threads about it, but Kish has a pretty good summation of them.

In case you wand to check the ones I found (maybe there are more, but after seeing three nearly identical, I stopped my search):
Twice? (DSTP and future spoilers) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146247) (2010/03)
Hinjo, Belkar, and bonus strip lifesavings (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209648) (2011/07)
Belkar saving Hinjo? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215597) (2011/09)


My money would be on: Has not happened, yet.
As on how I have no idea, in the older threads some have the opinion that Belkar will save the world, thus saving Hinjo. It could certainly be possible.

[David Argall]

Belkar and Hinjo are very unlikely to meet again. Belkar did engage in measures that contributed to Hinjo staying alive at least twice. Our presumption has to be that the prediction has come true, and has no predictive values for future pages. It has not done so in large dramatic fashion? Yawn. It's just a small thing in expansion text. The text seems to be there for perfectly good reasons as pure history.

[denthor]

Belkar is nowhere near dying yet the oracle said that he should savor his next birthday cake.

To date we have not seen Belkar and the said cake.

Second as far as saving Hino that has not happened either. Hino wanted him brought back in chains to be held and serve sentence for a crime.

The order just got a sending from our boys and girls in blue.

The Order is on its way back to serve once again and prove they are on the side of good.


Just a couple of random thoughts on the subject

[Shale]

If Belkar contributes in a major way to saving the world, that could also be construed as saving Hinjo's life.

[Kish]

I don't know that I'd describe someone with a Constitution of 1 as "nowhere near dying."

("Hino" is, I suppose, better than "Shinjo.")

[137beth]

Our presumption has to be that the prediction has come true, and has no predictive values for future pages.
No, "our" presumption does not need to be anything of the sort. You MAY presume that, but others do not.