[3.5]Help with Abjurant champion build.

[isildur]

13lv build, 124000gold, 32point buy

first, i considor battle socerer 8/abjurant champion5

stat: 20/14/14/11/12/14 (lessor aasimar)

item: holy flaming greatsword(and greater magic weapon)

+6 str belt, +2 dex glove, +2 cha band, +2 wis shirt,+2 con amulet. +5 cloak of res, belt of battle

feat:combat casting, improve ini, power attack, arcane preperation, arcane strike, improved toughness, law devotion

than, AC 41, saving 13/11/16, HP 119,Attack 22/17/14 (5d6+15, bab 11), CL 13

but next i build this. fighter 4/wizard 2/abujurant champion 5/eldritch 2

stat: 20/14/14/14/10/11 (lessor aasimar)

item:+3 great sword(and greater weapon crystal-cold assult)

+6 str belt, +2 dex glove, +2 int band, +2 wis shirt,+2 con amulet. +5 cloak of res, belt of battle

feat:combat casting, improve ini, power attack, arcane preperation, arcane strike, improved toughness, law devotion, weapon focus, weapon specialization, weapon mastery, iron will, guardian sprit, lightning reflex

than ac 41, saving 16/14/16, Hp 118, Attack 26/21/16(3d6+19, bab 12), CL 9(ECL 12)

My question is, weapon mastery and specialization, bab 1 worth 4 CL?

ps>I expect buffed fighter, not caster.

[Snowbluff]

Battle Sorc? :smallyuk:

Also, cut 2 Fighter levels off of the second build. Use Spellsword as filler for a level, and add 2 wizard levels after the first 2.

[isildur]

Well, spell sword need +4 bab, than fighter2/wizard 2 can't take it.

[Snowbluff]

Well, spell sword need +4 bab, than fighter2/wizard 2 can't take it.

Fighter 2, Wizard4 can.

[Barsoom]

My question is, weapon mastery and specialization, bab 1 worth 4 CL? No. 4 Caster levels are far more important than 1 BAB and minor bonus feats.

[isildur]

Fighter 2, Wizard4 can.

what about wizard 5/eldritch 3/abjurant 5?

cl 12, bab 10.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Fighter 2/ Martial Wizard 4/ Spellsword 1/ Abjurant Champion 5/ Incantatrix 4/ Eldritch Knight 4
16/20 BAB, 17/20 spellcasting, Incantatrix for persistentent spell shenanigans.

Possibly replace the Fighter 2/ Wizard 4 start with Human or Elf Paragon 1/ Fighter 1/ Wizard 2/ Human or Elf Paragon 2, either way gets 4/6 BAB and 4/6 casting but the three racial paragon levels are considerably better than the 2nd Fighter and 3rd-4th Wizard levels. If you're not going Human or Grey/Fire Elf then get the Dungeoncrasher ACF at Fighter 2.


Paladin 2/ Sorcerer 4/ Spellsword 1/ Abjurant Champion 5/ Sacred Exorcist 8
16/20 BAB, 18/20 spellcasting, Cha synergy, go Illumian with Naenhoon for a few persistent spells each day.

Never use Battle Sorcerer, the spellcasting sacrifice lasts your entire career while the benefits are not even necessary if you go with a proper class build.


Gish Handbooks (https://www.google.com/#gs_rn=19&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=f-hrDtafPWRuezbwTbCO5Q&cp=7&gs_id=bn&xhr=t&q=gish+handbook&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=996&sclient=psy-ab&oq=gish+ha&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWM&fp=3b9c7e23c52a0ecc) are a thing.

[isildur]

[QUOTE=Biffoniacus_Furiou;15594547]Fighter 2/ Martial Wizard 4/ Spellsword 1/ Abjurant Champion 5/ Incantatrix 4/ Eldritch Knight 4
16/20 BAB, 17/20 spellcasting, Incantatrix for persistentent spell shenanigans.

Well, incantatrix and persistant spell is banned. but fighter 2/martial wizard 4/ spell sword 1/abjurant champion/martial wizard 8/Eldritch Knight 4 works well too.

thanks for advice.

[Snowbluff]

/Swiftblade plug.

[Vknight]

Battle Sorc? :smallyuk:

Also, cut 2 Fighter levels off of the second build. Use Spellsword as filler for a level, and add 2 wizard levels after the first 2.

Battle Sorcerer is actually not that bad.
Lose 1 spell per day for.

Light Armor
3/4 BAB
and d8 hp
In games that won't get super high or are not high op its really nice

[Axinian]

Battle Sorcerer is actually not that bad.
Lose 1 spell per day for.

Light Armor
3/4 BAB
and d8 hp
In games that won't get super high or are not high op its really nice

It really is that bad, even in low op. The loss of a spell per day isn't that bad, but a loss of a spell KNOWN of each level is about as bad as it gets for a sorc.

[Snowbluff]

It really is that bad, even in low op. The loss of a spell per day isn't that bad, but a loss of a spell KNOWN of each level is about as bad as it gets for a sorc.

Exactly. Without a way around that, it's pretty sour. It's about as bad as losing the CL anyway. Depending on how it's built, it might not matter.

Battle Sorc with the Animal Companion ACF is probably the most unrecognizable ACF combos in the game. It works out alright.

[Barsoom]

Battle Sorc with the Animal Companion ACF is probably the most unrecognizable ACF combos in the game. It works out alright.Unfortunately, it only advances the animal companion as a Druid half your level, but even worse, PrCs don't advance the animal companion at all. So I can't really see it working well.

[Keld Denar]

Battle Sorc20 isn't quite SO bad, especially when compared to Sorcadin. Using Battle Sorc as part of Sorcadin (or any other gish build using PrCs), however, is terrible and unneeded. Its a double loss, which is bad.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Well, incantatrix and persistant spell is banned. but fighter 2/martial wizard 4/ spell sword 1/abjurant champion/martial wizard 8/Eldritch Knight 4 works well too.

thanks for advice.

You don't want to replace Incantatrix with more Wizard, replace it with more Eldritch Knight or even grab a few levels in Paragnostic Apostle.Martial Wizard (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#wizard) only gets a Fighter bonus feat at 1st and 5th level, it's not worth losing more BAB and taking d4 HP when you can actually get class features or Eldritch Knight instead. Just don't put any more Wizard in that build, your other options are just so much better.

[Vknight]

Battle Sorc20 isn't quite SO bad, especially when compared to Sorcadin. Using Battle Sorc as part of Sorcadin (or any other gish build using PrCs), however, is terrible and unneeded. Its a double loss, which is bad.

Its 20 less spells known, over the course of 20 levels
With a list of 43 going down to 23. Nope not that bad all things considered cause I know a way to get it to be meaningless. Can you guess what it is?

[isildur]

You don't want to replace Incantatrix with more Wizard,

Right. i miss it.

what about martial wizard 5/eldritch knight 3/abjurant champion 5/eldritch knight 10?

BAB 17/20 Spellcasting 19/20

[Wings of Peace]

Wizard 6/Eldritch Knight 2/Spelldancer 1/Abjurant Champion 4

-Be an elf and take Aereni Focus and the Apprentice feat to get the odd skills for Spelldancer

-Take the Otherwordly Feat via champions of valor Celestial Attended Birth (this gives you the necessary weapon proficiencies because Outsiders are proficient with all simple and martial weapons)

-Take Persistent Spell.

[Nightraiderx]

I don't think battle sorc is as bad, spells known can be made up using heritage feats and Apprentice Spellcaster. I found find sorc 5/Swiftblade 10/Abjurrant Champion 5 A very interesting build. Unfortunately due to swiftblade loosing out on so many caster levels or without a way to gain Haste early. (Although I wonder if bloodline feats are learned before hand, the build maybe easier with a (know all my spells as I get access to them list). Actually with Versatile Caster/ Apprentice Spellcaster/ Bloodline, I'm pretty sure a Warmage could get into swiftblade at 5th or so. Still doesn't solve not having ninths at that point, but by lvl 21 u could still probably get into epic spells since you would be juuuuust under.

[isildur]

Apprentice Spellcaster.

Apprentice Spellcaster? I can't find that.

[Nightraiderx]

DMGII apparently. I got the book recently, but I haven't searched in that as much as I should've.