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2013-07-19, 09:38 PM

Lucian's Lost Love's Luxurious Lantern Lodge

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BR Server Huehuehuehuehuehue
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Draken|Draken Frosthand
[/table]

NA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name

0tt3r | 0tt3r
9mm | cwcriner
Adumbration | Benefice
aethernox | joyless
Alemil | Alemil
Alter | AlterForm
Anarion | Anarion55
Anonomuss | OpticalSage
Arbitrarity | Arbitrarity
ArcanistSupreme | Arcanist Supreme
Archangel Yuki | Yocham
assassin89 | nineballcirno
Astrella | Sirroelivan
AtwasAwamps | AtwasAwamps
Aurenthal | Estor
Averis Vol | AverisVol
Baron Corm | Baron Corm
Baxter | Thefettered
BinaryMage | BinaryMage
Bliss Authority | Companion N00b
Blueiji | Blueiji
BobVosh | BobVosh -or- VoshBob
Bookboy | Keledrath
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Caradryan | Ying Quliang
Castleraven | Castleraven
cdstephens | cdstephens
Chess435 | Chess435
Copacetic | Azbu
Creed | Moarzed
CrnvorousMeece | CarnivorousMeece
Croverus | Croverus
Cute_Riolu | Cute Riolu
Dallas-Dakota | MustacheMan
Dante & Vergil | Raphiezar
Darius Macab | Hawkfrost000
Darth Mario | Darth Mario
Daverin | Daverin
Dentrag2 | Callinectes
dgnslyr | GANKERLagann
Dichotomy | Kaellin
Dire Ferret | Guvna Kit Kit
Djinn in Tonic | The Djinn
Dogmantra | Dogmantra
Don Julio Anejo | Don Julio Anejo
douglas | DouglasM
Doxkid | Doxkid
Dragonus45 | Dragonus45
Drager0 | Drager0
Dragor | Supernaturalist
Draken | Draken Frosthand
DrakeRaids | DrakeRaids057
Dralnu | TomerIsHot
dukexx | JacksonHicks
Duos | DapperGuy
efdf | efdf
EifieFlare | EifieFlare
Elagune | Chopstyx
Eldariel | Elealar
EndlessWrath | Andurin
Epicfaillol | Ether Master
Errandir | Ramses III
EternalMelon | EternalMelon
faith | Ferrovax101
FantomFang | FantomFang
Faulty | FaultyClockwork
Fawkes | Count Fawkes
FeverFox | Alcopop
Flarowon | Kruin Avabruc
Flechair | Master Zealot
FleshrakerAbuse | Archdruid21
Folytopo | Folytopo
Forrestfire | Forrestfire15
Frankelshtein | McFinkelstein
Fredaintdead | Fredthefighter
Gallus | Anechois
Geigan | Geigan
Giant Panda | Le Shirrif
gimliggamer | Wizard Warlock
Gizladlo | Gizladlo
glemis | glemis
Godskook | Bethor Kookalian
Gourtox | Gourtox
Gruffard | Gruffard
Grytorm
hamiltond465 | Duodecimus
Hanuman | HanumanXoO
Happy Gravity | Deimosaur
Hatevah | Hatevah
heronbpv|Sérpico
Holocron Coder | Holocron
Incomp | Incomp
InyutheBeatIs | Believe Inyu
Istari | IstariK
Ivellius | Ivellius
Jamin | CapZich
JKTrickster | ZenTrickster
Joran | Jorana
KaizoMK | KaizoMK
Kara Kuro | RaptorKitty
Kciemir | Ghostface Ki11ah
Kettle | Kettle747
king.com | kingcom
Kinslayer | HaunterReqiuem
Kirbot | Kirbot
kmchii | kmchii
knightMARE|Sir Wiffleston
Kopaka | Portent
Kotarus | Adrameleck
Kwazey | Kwazey
Lansky | Blurbie
Laudandus | Laudandus
LegoShrimp | LegoShrimp
LightWraith | TheLightWraith
Lil Shiro | Mizz Mitchell
litewarior | litewarior
Lonely Tylenol | If I Had a Hifi
Lord Generic | Lord Generic
LordShotGun | LordShotGun
LostEnder | LostEnder
Low-Key | TheFuzziestBear
Lunix Vandal|Lunix Vandal
lvl 1 sharnian | StarryEagle
Lyxie | Lyxie
Maeglin_Dubh | Tycho Velius
Makensha | Jarbis
MammonAzrael | MammonAzrael
Manticoran | Manticoran
Maryring | Skilvrel
MasatoHyuga | MasatoHyuga
Master_Rahl22 | Goltoth
master256 | QWERTYSTOP
Math_Mage | Mathmage
Mattarias, King. | Mattarias
Malmagor Andrigal | Madmal
Maxios | Maxios20
McCerberus | MCerberus
McDougal | McDouggal
Meatshield#236 | Meatshield236
Merellis | Merellis
Mike_the_Mystic | Kraemer
Milskidasith | Milskidasith
Mindfreak586 | Mindfreak586
Mirrinus | Parallaxal
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
Moklok | KokoBWare
Mr. Mud | Proposal
mrcarter11 | Mrcarter11
mrzomby | mrzomby
Mtg_player_zach | MtgPlayerZach
Mushroom Ninja | Mushroom Ninja
Mutant Bunny | WhollySpart
Nadevoc | Xenik
Nanoblack | IwearSILLYhats
Nargan | Naryuk
Necroticplague | Yamidamian
Neoseanster | Neoseanster
NeoVid | NeoVid
Nerocite | Nerocite
neXianXavia | neXianXavia
NotAEvilToaster | NeonPie
oblivion6 | warcrown10
Octopus Jack | Thalric
Olinser | Olinser
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
Perkinz|Perkinz
PersonMan | Nsev
Pie Guy | Qwazes
pilvento | Kandrass
PhantomFox | PhantomFox7
PhoeKun | PhoeKun
Poison Fish | Baron Von Flib
Postmodernist | Postmodernist
Protecar | Godreig
Protecar | Atk
Psychotic | SquirrelFish
Qaera | Qaera
ragingrage | ragingrage
Raistlin1040 | Sanevale
Rama | Nargus
Raroy | setokaibasmt
RationalGoblin | AtillathePun
Reinboom| Riot Reinboom
Raveypoos | Rhaviewoos
recklessabaddon | recklessabaddon
revolver kobold | A Magic Kobold
Reynard | Duke Reynington
Sallera | Sallera
Saveducks | ElGrandisimo
Serpentine | Lady Serpentine
Shades of Gray | PierreAbelard
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker65
Shadowleaf | Shadowdancing
Shadow Lord | ShadowLordgiantitp
Shadowy | DJPON3Vinyl
ShortOne | LittlePoppy
SidCoolios | Irazel
Silverraptor | Silverraptor
Siosilvar | Siosilvar
Sircarp | Sircarp
SirSigfried | LibertarianSDR
Slash_712 | Catfud
sofawall | sofawall
sonofzeal | sonofzeal
St. Viers | St.Viers
Starfols | Starfols
Starswords | Starswords
SuperPanda | Lokilar
TalonDemonKing | TalonDemonKing
TechnOkami | TechnOkami
Temotei | Temotei221
Terazul | Allegretto
term1nally s1ck | silverdevilboy
tesla_pasta | generictownsman
Thanatos 51-50 | Thanatos Erebus
The_Ditto | Ditto11
The_Fiery_Tower | TFT Supports
TheGlowingRogue | I Glow In Dark
Themage | SirPelletheGreat
Thethan | Thethan
The Hellbug | hellbug22
The Rabbler | Paco H Jones
The Shadowmind | The Shadowmind
The Valiant Turtle | Valiant Turtle
Thrantar | Thrantar
Thrawn183 | Thrawnyboy
throtecutter | throtecutter
toasty | toastymow
Thomas Cadrew | DecadentPheonix
Tono | Tono Chou
Treayn | Treayn
tribble | Smallbluedot
Tychris1 | Tychris1
u-gotNOgame | UGNG -or- Sirius Amory
userpay | userpay
Vauron | Vauron
Volatar | The Volatar
Vwulf DeMarcus | NinjaXeq
wandiya | wandiya
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Winthur | Seyruun
WyvernLord | WyvernThornKing
woodzyowl | Woodzyowl
XaioTie | Tiefernan
Zabbarot | Zabbarot
Zabel_Zarock | Jon Talbain
Zeful | Zeful
ZeltArruin | ZeltArruin
Zemro | Shivic
ZeroNumerous | ZeroNumerous
Zeteni | Zeteni
Zinc | El Jaun Zinco
zolga | TheZolga[/table]

EU Server--West
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Acromos | Crannoch
Adumbration | Adumbration
Anonomuss | Anonomuss
Azimov | Sidhe de Athame
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Cheers | Sam vds
Cyborg Mage | Cyborg Mage98
Eldariel | Elealar
Even Human | SlyGuyMcFly
Gauntlet | Isva
HalfDragonCube | giantmudkip
Krazzman | Viskerin
Maryring | Skilvrel
Maxymiuk | Maxymiuk
Mc. Lovin | B1GB1RDB4G3L
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
monkeyboyinc | monkeyboyinc
Morph Bark | Morpheus Bob
Nargan | Naryuk
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
PersonMan | Scarge
Reb46 | Reb46
Reynard | Duke Reyn
Runhidesurvive | Jmack10
Saph | StarSaph
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker64
Talesin | Fridgecake
term1nally s1ck | Silverdevilboy
That'd_be_me | AntiLocke
TheGeckoKing | Alpharis Omega
Volatar | VolatarUK
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Ziren | Zirenoid
zolga | MasterZolga[/table]

EU Server--Nordic & East
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Dada | Scrattlebeard
darksolitaire | Darksolitaire
Posca | LDRC
Rockbird | Rockbird[/table]

EU Server--Unspecified
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Abakus | Terpfen
Alemil | Alemil
Ayra | Ayramatao
Darwin | DarwinBeGood
Endoperez | Endoperez
Heliomance | Sidhe de Grian
Kurrel | GrinningOni
littlebottom | Littlebottom
lord_khaine | Lord_khaine
Narazil | Narazil
Narkis | Narkis
Penthar | Malderon
Raviepoos | Skittles Unicorn
Shadowleaf | AncientPharma
Socratov | Mbutu
Voidhawk | Sidhe ne Awk
Zefir | Einerwie
Zombywoof | Zombywoof[/table]

SEA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
abadguy | Smite Thy Enemy[/table]

MUMBLE
Download here! (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/)
Our main means of communication is a mumble server, playing host to a variety of games, including LoL. We're quite a tight knit community, get to know us! Hanging about is a good way to find a game, and if you don't fancy playing something there's always a good chance of a friendly chat. Contact Djinn_in_Tonic via PM if you have a question or want to donate money to keep the server running.
Address: fish.mumbleboxes.com
Port: 36003

Admins: Djinn_in_Tonic (Djinn); Darth Mario; ShortOne (LittlePoppy, Raven); Dogmantra; Nano (Nanoceraptor).

STREAMS
Some of us run streams. You can watch them here.
Legoshrimp (http://www.twitch.tv/legoshrimp)
McDouggal (http://www.twitch.tv/McDouggal)
Silverraptor (http://www.livestream.com/silverrapter?t=527242)
The Fiery Tower (http://www.twitch.tv/the_fiery_tower)

GUIDES & CHAMPION OVERVIEWS
Sometimes people write guides and post them in this thread. Other times pro players write guides that people then post in this thread. They often end up here.

Champion Introductions:
Thanks to Eldariel, Playgrounders in Thread XLV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003) wrote blurbs to introduce players to their favorite champions. Yay.
Ahri (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14981225&postcount=520) by SlyGuyMcFly
Alistar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15079170&postcount=297) by Joran
Amumu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14991206&postcount=727) by Ivellius
Anivia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971268&postcount=332) by Eldariel
Annie (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972307&postcount=366) by endoperez
Caitlyn (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973242&postcount=375) by McDougal
Cho'Gath (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973137&postcount=374) by Happy Gravity
Janna (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976717&postcount=424) by Winthur
Fizz (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971765&postcount=345) by PersonMan
Hecarim (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973331&postcount=377) by Arbitrarity
Irelia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14980231&postcount=502) by aethernox
Kennen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973033&postcount=372) by Anarion
LeBlanc (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15049895&postcount=15) by Miscast_Mage
Lulu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975266&postcount=413) by Kris on a Stick
Nasus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971542&postcount=340) by TheShrike
Nocturne (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15057985&postcount=97) by Darius Macab
Olaf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972935&postcount=371) by dgnslyr
Rengar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14974241&postcount=387) by ChaosOS
Singed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976931&postcount=427) by QWERTSTOP
Skarner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14984458&postcount=591) by TechnOkami
Sona (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971676&postcount=344) by Forrestfire
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975078&postcount=409) by Math_Mage
Vi (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976557&postcount=423) by Pherinos
Zyra (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14982344&postcount=541) by The Fiery Tower

General Guides:
A General Guide to Support (http://tpesports.net/index.php?site=articles&action=show&articlesID=32), by Math Mage
Guide to General Common Jungler Set-Ups (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12409551&postcount=575), by Mtg_player_zach
Small Guide to Jungle Counterpicking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12379254&postcount=98), by Winthur
General Guide to AD Carries (http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9234)
Seizing the fourth digit: Playing your way out of Elo Hell. (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=341821) by Math_Mage
Faulty and Raistlin's Quick Build Database: Notes and Stuff (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10942497&postcount=1004) by Faulty and Raistlin
Turning Skill Into Elo: Solo Queue Mindset And Methodology (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1220673) by MathMage
How to be a Good Team Leader (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1374492) by Darth Mario

Specific Champion Guides:
Be warned. These guides are, by and large, outdated. Some (if not much) of the information referenced in these guides has been made obsolete as a result of League's natural patch cycle. If you're looking for information on a champion, you'll have better luck at SoloMid.net (http://solomid.net/guides.php?champ=&sort=2&display=4&x=98&y=9) or LolPro.com (http://LoLPro.com). Alternatively, ask the thread!
Riven 101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12579737&postcount=204), by Arbitrarity
Highly Artistic Blitzcrank guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12380155&postcount=115), by Dogmantra
Laser Bear Udyr (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9657101&postcount=39), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Rammus: Can't touch this (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=258919), by Math_Mage
Twitch (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board
[URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10267058&postcount=1448), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Jungle Akali (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10498621&postcount=1358) by Djinn
How to play everyone's favourite Lightning Squirrel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10518034&postcount=154) by Dogmantra
Lee Sin (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=636475) by Dralnu
Super Serious Rumble Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11052926&postcount=904) by Dogmantra
OH SNAP Morgana Can Jungle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11295698&postcount=1238) by Dogmantra
Anivia Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11514141&postcount=845) by Eldariel
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11938481&postcount=1029) by MathMage
CLASSY VIDEOS FOR CLASSY PEOPLE*
Watching these videos makes you a classier person. Fact.
Jungle Janna! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC6wm9iaNmM)
How to Win Every Game in League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsTE1vpoXM)
Panic at the Nexus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WlCbaLI3I)
Sunfire Cape Sunday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgjfX6crjrg)
Season One Trailer with Commentary (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/season-one-trailer-commentary)
D-Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHp4VJ47v0)
Insanity Mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGKN1Adzckk&feature=related)
(Truly, Truly) Outrageous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7S05vI-BU&feature=related)
I'm just a noob (Ryze Ryze Ryze again) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr1T-pgaZY&feature=related)
e.o.n Shen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs_cGUPQ3M&feature=related)
Vendrim-Ionia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3E2UQMe3k&hd=1)
Pwn ur FACE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9VSDt0EN4)
Your -Epic- Dreamhack comes true! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCs1CyBFLg)
Ezreal Custom Skin Spotlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-HoAPlg-c)
I Just Got Ganked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpNVN33fj4Y&feature=channel_video_title)
Keep Feeding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaR0frKc4a0)
Champion Rap Battles -- Brolaf vs. Gentleman Cho'Gath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ-r300BVFI)
Combinasion BOOM! League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzsXR4sM_Y)
All in the Cards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9d3342IXSs)
No One Ganks Like Garen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4uiTQsRJg)
Rammus Taunts Everyone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-8Q4PM4PXM)

COMICS AND PICS
It's like your eyes are getting a massage.
LoL Comic (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=48169) by Elagune
Learn Your Alphabet (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6264/g28376.png) by Dogmantra and Pierreabelard (with a mention in Summoner Showcase #36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy7JWV-HA28&feature=feedu)!)
Chibi Champions (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=763895) by pika7
Gender Swaps (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=606416) by ShowMeYourMoves
Champion Flowchart Guides (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=608154) by Renekton Bot
Patch Day Comic (http://i.imgur.com/kHtwk.jpg) by DaemianFF

TRAVEL BACK IN TIME: PREVIOUS THREADS
Proof we're not all experiencing collective haullucinations.

League of Legends XLVIII: A Broken Spine is Just a Twist of Fate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15339231#post15339231)
League of Legends XLVII: Legend of Poro - Retcons on Ice (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282669)
League of Legends XLVI: Everybody now comes from Freljord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279408)
League of Legends XLV: They ruined the King AND his blade! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003)
League of Legends XLIV: *SQUAWK* Who's there? *SQUAWK* League of Legends XLIV who? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273412)
League of Legends XLIII: Now with 100% more Leagues. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270068)
League of Legends XLII: I Hope The New Champ Is Vi-able (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266201)
League of Legends XLI: Fish Are Friends, Not Food (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263722)
League of Legends XL: Season on Hold 'till Morello Gets Gold (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261213)
League of Legends XXXIX: Harrowing in the Playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14079780#post14079780)
League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13921041)
League of Legends XXXVII: Thread Name Delayed for Further Testing on PBE (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253343)
League of Legends XXXVI: Thread Now Invisible When You're Not Looking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250948)
League of Legends XXXV: Jayce, the Defender of Soon™ (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248760)
League of Legends XXXIV: No Exceptions (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246004)
League of Legends XXXIII: Game of Mundo (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13142848#post13142848)
League of Legends XXXII: Cupcakes and Kittens and Squirrels. Oh my! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237600)
League of Legends XXXI: I'll Start My Own Team! With TF And Janna! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234631)
League of Legends XXX: Must be Summoner Level 18 to View (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231927)
League of Legends XXIX: Are Nerfs Vayne In This Grave Situation? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229460)
League of Legends XXVIII: Ahri-Vederci, Dodge. Hello, Viktory. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12466887)
League of Legends XXVII: Your Sister's Hotter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225730)
League of Legends XXVI: We've officially jumped the shark (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223894)
League of Legends XXV: Who is your Summoner, and what does he do? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221849)
League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219436)
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Forrestfire

2013-07-19, 09:41 PM

(Pretty sure this is the right title. If it's the wrong one, correct me please.)

TechnOkami

2013-07-19, 09:43 PM

DANGIT Forrest Fire! I had like, the best Thread name-too! AAArgh qahdoqnxoqdnioqdqd.

League of Legends LXXX: Thread Title Position In Queue: Over 20000

Godskook

2013-07-19, 09:44 PM

A formal challenge to the thread: Complete 100 new wins between when you join the challenge and the end of the season.

Current players:

{table=head]Forum Name|Starting placement|Starting wins|Progress|Server

abadguy | Placement | 0 | 00/100 | ?
Anarion | Bronze I, 93 LP | 40 | 21/100 | NA
Dallas-Dakota | Silver II, 45 LP | 52 | 00/100 | NA
Darius Macab | Bronze I, 13 LP | 10 | 17/100 | NA
dgnslyr | Silver III, 100 LP | 111 | 03/100 | NA
Dragonus45 | Silver IV, 2 LP | 104 | 07/100 | NA
Duos | Silver III, 91 LP | 112 | 23/100 | NA
Eldariel | Platinum I, 0 LP | 74 | 15/100 | EUW
Endoperez | Silver V, 82 LP | 51 | 05/100 | EUW
Epinephrine_Syn | Silver IV, 34 LP | 07 | 00/100 | ?
Forrestfire | Silver V, 3 LP | 95 | 19/100 | NA
Gimliggamer | Silver IV, 2 LP | 78 | 06/100 | NA
Grytorm | Bronze II, 58 LP | 16 | 08/100 | NA
Godskook | Gold V, 29 LP | 160 | 14/100 | NA
Ivellius | Silver III, 29 LP | 15 | 02/100 | NA
Kris on a Stick | Silver V, 100 LP | 33 | 05/100 | NA
Legoshrimp | Silver I, 38 LP | 18 | 00/100 | NA
Lord Khaine | Silver III, 91 LP | 30 | 02/100 | EUNE
MathMage | Platinum V, 23 LP | 36 | 00/100 | NA
Mattarias | Bronze V, 80 LP | 5 | 00/100 | NA
McDogual | Bronze III, 58 LP | 39 | 04/100 | NA
Merellis | Placement | 4 | 04/100 | NA
MtgPlayerZach | Silver III, 63 LP | 27 | 03/100 | NA
Nadevoc | Silver II, 31 LP | 20 | 04/100 | NA
NineThePuma | Bronze V, 75 LP | 57 | 45/100 | NA
Olinser | Placement | 0 | 10/100 | NA
Outsideheaven | Platinum V, 0 LP | 68 | 05/100 | NA
Perkinz | Placement | 0 | 00/100 | NA
PersonMan | Silver III, 27 LP | 9 | 00/100 | NA
PhoeKun | Bronze II, 71 LP | 34 | 04/100 | NA
Postmodernist | Bronze III, 53 LP | 63 | 04/100 | NA
Qwertystop | Bronze II, 85 LP | 68 | 11/100 | NA
Recaiden | Silver II, 27 LP | 30 | 09/100 | NA
Renegade Paladin | Silver V, 10 LP | 57 | 05/100 | NA
Sallera | Silver V, 9 LP | 8 | 01/100 | NA
Siosilvar | Bronze II, 83 LP | 14 | 20/100 | NA
SlyGuyMcFly | Silver III, 52 LP | 32 | 07/100 | EUW
Starswords | Silver I, 20 LP | 57 | 14/100 | NA
TechnOkami | Bronze III, 100 LP | 24 | 02/100 | NA
TFT | Diamond V, 87 LP | 754 | 71/100 | NA
TheShrike | Placement | 1 | 00/100 | NA
WyvernLord | Placement | 0 | 00/100 | NA
Zargodia | Placement | 0 | 00/100 | ?

[/table]

Olinser

2013-07-19, 09:47 PM

I'll join in the challenge. Since the start I've gotten 6 wins to finish off provisional. 94 to go in real ranked, I'll probably start Sunday.

NineThePuma

2013-07-19, 09:49 PM

Check mark~

Also, I can't math for **** apparently. I'm not nearly as far in the challenge as I thought I was ^^;

Math_Mage

2013-07-19, 09:49 PM

I still haven't played a ranked game since signing up. :smallsigh:

Its almost hilarious to see them outthink themselves for three years. :smalltongue:

Also: that comp can work. See what Vulcun is doing though, and copy that. :smallsigh:
Vulcun did it wrong too, and the fact that the worst team in the LCS beat them like red-headed stepchildren has only a little to do with my saying that.

A double ADC comp that lacks a mage has to focus around catch-and-protect-and-chase fighting and tower pressure. A double ADC comp that lacks a bruiser has to focus around poke and tower pressure. First off, Jayce does that better than any ADC, so a double ADC comp without a bruiser is already out (i.e. CLG vs. Dignitas). Second, any double ADC comp with a bruiser basically has to include Varus, Ashe, or Caitlyn, for tower pressure, waveclear, and engage/disengage. Of the three comps we've seen, Ez/Kog does probably came closest to that; Ez/Trist doesn't have waveclear, Twitch/Vayne doesn't have tower pressure.

Even this narrow batch of playable double ADC comps will have trouble dealing with the simple strategy of camping the non-ADC lane, building armor, and winning late game fights. I don't know if Velocity did much to Sycho Sid, but he certainly wasn't worth much on Yorick. Link's TF got camped in Dignitas vs. CLG, and Irelia just didn't work in CLG vs. Velocity. And in each game the main tank for the conventional team sported a Randuin's and a Thornmail. That's how the game works.

Draken

2013-07-19, 11:08 PM

Well. Lets checkmark this.

Also. I have hit Silver I!

McDouggal

2013-07-19, 11:13 PM

So, I sat down and got to 3 ranked wins since the challenge was issued! Yay! I even carried pretty well on Leona!

Feeling good, next game I end up in the jungle and pick Jarvan since our ADC told me he was picking MF. He picked Caitlyn. Our Renekton fed Darius 3 kills in 6 minutes and ragequit. I got to sit there for the next 14 minutes trying to avoid getting caught by a fed Darius. I actually got a kill on him - I ult-trapped him under tower, and we went 1 for 1.

Ugh. Updating the album.

Mtg_player_zach

2013-07-19, 11:24 PM

I still haven't played a ranked game since signing up. :smallsigh:

I haven't either I'm afraid.

JKTrickster

2013-07-20, 01:17 AM

Just mainly posting for the check mark :smallbiggrin:

Do you guys play together often? I always post/stalk the thread but I know most of you guys actually play together right?

Nadevoc

2013-07-20, 01:28 AM

Watching Madlife pull off Alistar's Headbutt + Pulverize combo perfectly every time makes me feel terrible at this game because I can never manage to do it.

Just mainly posting for the check mark :smallbiggrin:

Do you guys play together often? I always post/stalk the thread but I know most of you guys actually play together right?

A lot of us do; we use the Mumble server mentioned in the first post. Feel free to friend some of us and come say hi on Mumble.

Math_Mage

2013-07-20, 01:45 AM

Watching Madlife pull off Alistar's Headbutt + Pulverize combo perfectly every time makes me feel terrible at this game because I can never manage to do it.
Honestly that one's just a matter of practicing the timing. Go into a custom game and WQ minions or bots till you get it.

What I should do is switch to smartcast with range indicator when I play Ali. I sometimes just Q when I was trying to WQ. Kinda silly.

Anarion

2013-07-20, 02:34 AM

I still haven't played a ranked game since signing up. :smallsigh:

Just do it!

Vulcun did it wrong too, and the fact that the worst team in the LCS beat them like red-headed stepchildren has only a little to do with my saying that.

A double ADC comp that lacks a mage has to focus around catch-and-protect-and-chase fighting and tower pressure. A double ADC comp that lacks a bruiser has to focus around poke and tower pressure. First off, Jayce does that better than any ADC, so a double ADC comp without a bruiser is already out (i.e. CLG vs. Dignitas). Second, any double ADC comp with a bruiser basically has to include Varus, Ashe, or Caitlyn, for tower pressure, waveclear, and engage/disengage. Of the three comps we've seen, Ez/Kog does probably came closest to that; Ez/Trist doesn't have waveclear, Twitch/Vayne doesn't have tower pressure.

Even this narrow batch of playable double ADC comps will have trouble dealing with the simple strategy of camping the non-ADC lane, building armor, and winning late game fights. I don't know if Velocity did much to Sycho Sid, but he certainly wasn't worth much on Yorick. Link's TF got camped in Dignitas vs. CLG, and Irelia just didn't work in CLG vs. Velocity. And in each game the main tank for the conventional team sported a Randuin's and a Thornmail. That's how the game works.

The problem with CLG's setup was a defensive issue, imo. Vayne, Twitch, and TF all blow up instantly when exposed to a strong breeze. They were in a position to mostly ignore the thornmail tank if someone could have disrupted the enemy team so they could attack.

I think someone like Lux or Diana would have been way better than TF for Link to play, since that comes with shields and enemy team disruption.

TheShrike

2013-07-20, 02:43 AM

The problem with CLG's setup was a defensive issue, imo. Vayne, Twitch, and TF all blow up instantly when exposed to a strong breeze. They were in a position to mostly ignore the thornmail tank if someone could have disrupted the enemy team so they could attack.

I think someone like Lux or Diana would have been way better than TF for Link to play, since that comes with shields and enemy team disruption.

They didn't pick a comp for straight fights but didn't pick champions that could avoid one.

Qwertystop

2013-07-20, 09:19 AM

Mumble access: regained!

JKTrickster

2013-07-20, 10:45 AM

How does one normally build Olaf nowadays? I know he got nerfed hard last time - exactly how does he play now?

ChaosOS

2013-07-20, 11:31 AM

Fat with cdr, more or less the same as before but he's just worse

Winthur

2013-07-20, 11:39 AM

How does one normally build Olaf nowadays? I know he got nerfed hard last time - exactly how does he play now?

Like crap.

Jokes aside, though:
1: He always liked CDR. CDR lets him Reckless Swing people more often and activate Vicious Strikes as well; most CDR items are also tanky and provide a lot of utility. Shurelya's Reverie gives his entire team more utility in chasing down people. He needs something to help him out in that regard because he took a nerf to the slow on his Undertow which made his stickiness suck.
2: He always liked Health. It gives bonus damage on W and synergizes with the damage reduction granted by his ult. It also makes sure that he doesn't get bursted down, something that can actually happen to Olaf if you just ult in and try to barrage through enemy ranks.
3: Armor Penetration is a wonderful stat on him, though a lot of the time you feel the pressure to just tank up especially since your base stats are already wonderful. Youmuu's Ghostblade is very cool on him, Last Whisper might be a nice late game item, but I'd consider those luxury.
4: Resistances, of course. Spirit Visage, for instance, gives CDR, a sizable chunk of health, lets you lifesteal more in fights and protects against burst damage. Items like Thornmail, Randuin's, Locket, Aegis, all are good, should be obvious stuff if you have ever played a bruiser tank or seen one in action.
5: Season 3 items - I'm not entirely sure about Hydra (for all of what Undertow is now, it still waveclears/clears jungle alright and it seems to be a huge cash drain). Blade of the Ruined King can be useful if you want to be sticky.
6: Frozen Mallet is helpful if you really need to stick to targets.
7: Enjoy having a unsatisfactory late game because unless you've hit 6 items before everyone else (which is hard with his current laning phase and mid game), if you're on par with the enemy AD Carry when it comes to items then hope somebody stunlocks him for you forever. Your "get inside and crap on people of your choice" attitude loses on effectiveness when you get chunked in seconds trying to reach a Vayne. I'd advise against running Olaf against escape-heavy AD carries. I'd imagine Varus and Draven, popular picks right now, lose if you get in their face.
8: Ghost or Flash? Olaf doesn't have a combo to apply after Flash (lol Flash->Undertow, high elo Olaf plays). Dyrus ran Ghost/Flash back in Season 2 to make sure he gets on top of the enemy. I'd say Ghost for epic marathons through the enemy team and being up more often but Flash of course has a lot of utility in getting through walls; notably Anivia, Jarvan* and Trundle have forms of CC that effectively counter your ultimate if used correctly, Flash can negate that.
9: Never fight a land war in Asia.
10: Never go in against a Zilean when death is on the line, hahaha! HAHAHAHA! HAHAHA

In general though due to Olaf's free stats and him relying on staying power he wants to be as tanky as possible, I don't think Tryndamere-esque builds work on him.

*though if you rely on Cataclysm to help you, you might as well put Time Wizard on the field and flip a coin to see if he pentakills the enemy team.**

**then set two trap cards and end your turn.

ChaosOS

2013-07-20, 12:15 PM

1. CDR is primarily good on olaf for his Q, since the redux is always 3.5s.
2. FM is actuslly bad as he already permaslows in melee range with Q spam.

Winthur

2013-07-20, 12:27 PM

2. FM is actuslly bad as he already permaslows in melee range with Q spam.

Ah, might be overestimating the Q nerf then. Scratch the FM, I don't even like it that much anyway yet every Olaf I remember rushed the item for some reason.

Math_Mage

2013-07-20, 12:30 PM

Just do it!
I would, but lately I don't trust my home internet.

The problem with CLG's setup was a defensive issue, imo. Vayne, Twitch, and TF all blow up instantly when exposed to a strong breeze. They were in a position to mostly ignore the thornmail tank if someone could have disrupted the enemy team so they could attack.

I think someone like Lux or Diana would have been way better than TF for Link to play, since that comes with shields and enemy team disruption.
Yes, playing Lux would help the overall comp slightly, but Lux doesn't do well against either Elise or Kassadin, and they'd still camp her, so the same mid-game would ensue and Dignitas would crush again. Diana at least would do well in lane, but her playstyle is similar to Irelia's: engage, not much disengage. The same issues from day 1 would arise.

Now, if Link had played Lux on day 1, CLG would have won easily. But then it's not a double ADC comp anymore.

ChaosOS

2013-07-20, 12:34 PM

Ah, might be overestimating the Q nerf then. Scratch the FM, I don't even like it that much anyway yet every Olaf I remember rushed the item for some reason.

Q nerf makes long range axe snipes weaker, not standing on top of them. FM gives the highest health per slot in the game might be why

Winthur

2013-07-20, 12:34 PM

FM gives the highest health per slot in the game might be why

Uh, Warmogs? :smallconfused:

ChaosOS

2013-07-20, 03:00 PM

Uh, Warmogs? :smallconfused:

Doesn't exist in Dominion :P

Togath

2013-07-20, 04:45 PM

reposting from last thread(didn't realize there was a new one);
having an issue starting up.. I keep getting a "pvp.net patcher kernel has stopped working" error whenever I try to start the game up:smallconfused:

anyone know how to fix this?
could it have anything to do with having recently wiped my cookies/history in an attempt to get my browser(which says it has auto updating turned off) to stop trying to auto update?

Forrestfire

2013-07-20, 04:52 PM

Right click and run it as an administrator, or if that doesn't work, there's a few other fixes out there. (http://bit.ly/Vhu9qH)

Anarion

2013-07-20, 05:28 PM

Just played an ARAM that my team won in 7:03. Not sure if that's a record, but I feel like that's got to be close to being as fast as it's possible to win it.

Yes, playing Lux would help the overall comp slightly, but Lux doesn't do well against either Elise or Kassadin, and they'd still camp her, so the same mid-game would ensue and Dignitas would crush again. Diana at least would do well in lane, but her playstyle is similar to Irelia's: engage, not much disengage. The same issues from day 1 would arise.

Now, if Link had played Lux on day 1, CLG would have won easily. But then it's not a double ADC comp anymore.

Well, with Diana, the hope is that you don't need disengage. You go flying in, and by the time the other team can recover from that, there's a Twitch shooting spray and pray bullets through them and a Vayne with a double kill.

Siosilvar

2013-07-20, 05:36 PM

-double ADC snip-

I've seen Twitch, Ezreal, and even Ashe jungle reasonably successfully. None of them have quite as much CC as you'd like on a jungler (Ez has none at all, even), and kills are rarer in professional and even just high-elo games, but there is another gold source that isn't a lane. I couldn't begin to theorycraft how effective it'd be at a competitive level, but it's an option.

FM gives the highest health per slot in the game might be why

Even on Olaf, Randuin's is strictly better. He's melee and Q doesn't apply on-hits; if he's in range to get Mallet working, he's well within range for Randuin's and it makes him tankier than a Mallet ever could, even against a 3-AP team.

Doesn't exist in Dominion :P

Overlord's Bloodmail, while pretty crappy, does, and has health midway between Mallet and Warmog's.

JKTrickster

2013-07-20, 06:11 PM

Eldariel

2013-07-20, 06:16 PM

Hey guys I have a serious concern:

So I don't normally played ranked and I don't normally solo Q. In fact, I almost always insist on playing with at least one friend or a group of friends. This is so I can play top lane.

Which is the second part of the problem - I can only play top lane. I don't know how to play any other role and since I play with friends, I never have the incentive to learn.

Which brings me to the issue:

I want to start playing ranked, but all of my friends are at least Gold. They don't really wanna rank with me which means I'm probably going to have to Solo-Q for at least a little while.

Should I try to learn more roles before I play ranked?

If you're good on top, you can learn mid relatively easily. Jungle isn't that bad either. And yeah, definitely. You can't always get top no matter how big tantrums you throw. In fact, some people will go outta their way to spite you and not give it to you (rare, but happens). So yeah, definitely pick at least one-two others up to some level.

Besides, knowing what other roles can do helps you with what you can expect and thus enables you to improve top play too. Every pro player can play every role at least reasonably.

JKTrickster

2013-07-20, 06:22 PM

TheShrike

2013-07-20, 06:29 PM

The snarky answer would be to stop missing your clicks. A possibly helpful answer would be attack-move.

Should I try to learn more roles before I play ranked?

My best role by a pretty significant margin is top lane. I have yet to be able to play top lane in ranked. Take from that what you will.

Togath

2013-07-20, 06:29 PM

TheShrike

2013-07-20, 06:32 PM

Only if you're intending on pushing to the enemy tower, with the advantages and disadvantages inherent therein.

NineThePuma

2013-07-20, 06:42 PM

Winthur

2013-07-20, 06:48 PM

It also brought up something I've been wondering; while(supposedly) it's better for the adc to be the only one attacking minions.. In Trists case, is it wrong at low levels(level 7 or lower usually) for me to ask the support/tank/lane partner to help soften them so I can use Trist's last-hit based AoE on them?

Not really. Often you want to push fast with Trist because unlocking level 2 unlocks a strong burst potential with W and E, and more so with level 6. Also, under the turret, your support might help you last hit when you end up not quite having enough AD to last hit a minion on your own, but that requires timing.

There was a question about the wrongdoings of tower pushing that was removed, but just for clarity: pushing to the tower makes you susceptible to being ganked from behind unless you have ward coverage; it does make it harder for the jungler to gank you from the lane brushes. If you take down a turret early it typically makes it so over time that the lane ends up more on the enemy side of the map and it becomes more difficult to farm since you're more exposed. Finally dragons early usually are worth more than towers so if there's a choice between tower pushing and taking dragon in the early-mid game then dragon should be taken usually. Can't think up anything else mind is a blur

Forrestfire

2013-07-20, 07:11 PM

LP clamping.

I've made it to bronze 1 just by playing nothing but ranked.

And I just got my first win in bronze 1 and got 6 LP for what was a horrifyingly one sided stomp. Ez got fed, Nunu got fed, Kha'zix got fed, I completely and utterly stomped Diana in the jungle.

I guess we'll have to test to see if it does it while duoing? I'm remaining unclamped for some reason.

Course, it hated me in Bronze 1 too, so it might just be that.

Siosilvar

2013-07-20, 07:12 PM

Interesting lane team idea; bot lane Trist and Zed?
I've done it twice now.. and they actually seem decent.. Though I'm only level 20 atm.

It also brought up something I've been wondering; while(supposedly) it's better for the adc to be the only one attacking minions.. In Trists case, is it wrong at low levels(level 7 or lower usually) for me to ask the support/tank/lane partner to help soften them so I can use Trist's last-hit based AoE on them?

As others have mentioned, both of those ideas push the lane very very much. It's usually a better idea to have the threat of taking tower (and also a free dragon) if they leave than to actually take tower - I've won enough games by losing my tower early and abusing the free farm that I can't advise a strong push against bot lane. You can push top and/or mid down early depending on lane matchups, but ADCs benefit too much from the farm and are too vulnerable to ganks that it's not a good idea to take their tower under most circumstances.

And as far as auto'ing minions goes, one autoattack per minion for the last-hit only. No exceptions unless you're pushing, under tower, or two are going to die at the same time.

TechnOkami

2013-07-20, 08:06 PM

The snarky answer would be to stop missing your clicks. A possibly helpful answer would be attack-move.

I like the idea of attack move. Specifically I really like that its a see-through targeting icon vs a finger, because its so much more convenient for my last-hitting conveniences, like trying to click a low-health minion next to a fat minion, & clicking the fat one because I can't tell which one Ive clicked, and then get frustrated when I miss the last hit.

The problem is that I only use QWERTDF for various buttons while playing League, with CTRL and the number keys for rapid emote spam, but nothing else really, and there isn't a convenient and comfortable button for me to press, and changing my right click to attack-move is simply not fee subtle due to the mechanics of it. I'd almost rather just change the pointer gauntlet entirely to the see-through targeting indicator and be done with it (but I don't know how :/ ).

Siosilvar

2013-07-20, 08:55 PM

there isn't a convenient and comfortable button for me to press

A and S are right there, and default-bound too. Admittedly you then have to take your pinky off of Q, but it's definitely worth practicing.

EDIT: You can probably bind alt-click to attack-move as well (moving pet/clone movement somewhere else), but you don't get the targeter.

efdf

2013-07-20, 09:03 PM

Winthur

2013-07-20, 09:07 PM

You could just play your top lane champions in mid, bot and jungle.

worked4me

rush thornmail stack chain vests win bot lane
easy

Anarion

2013-07-20, 10:12 PM

I tried mid but there's this REALLY weird problem I have:

When I try to auto attack, sometimes I "miss" and start to move forward instead (this really only applies to ranged champions). This is also the issue I have with playing adc - I can't kite because I often just walk into bruisers.

How can I get over this? :smallsigh:

On any ranged champion you should be using A clicks rather than right clicks if at all possible. It's not always possible when you're just reacting quickly, and I'm certainly guilty of accidentally clicking on the ground next to a target and dying. But it's a mistake every time it happens, and one you should be endeavoring to get remove from your game. I'd suggest just doing it with top champions so that you get in the habit of always using an A click when targeting things. And I do mean always, even if you're right next to someone and chasing them down, press A first and then click on them.

Alternately, go play some Warcraft 3 and practice A moving with all the units because it's basically the same thing.

Math_Mage

2013-07-20, 10:15 PM

Hey guys I have a serious concern:

So I don't normally played ranked and I don't normally solo Q. In fact, I almost always insist on playing with at least one friend or a group of friends. This is so I can play top lane.

Which is the second part of the problem - I can only play top lane. I don't know how to play any other role and since I play with friends, I never have the incentive to learn.

Which brings me to the issue:

I want to start playing ranked, but all of my friends are at least Gold. They don't really wanna rank with me which means I'm probably going to have to Solo-Q for at least a little while.

Should I try to learn more roles before I play ranked?
Anyone who wants to solo queue ranked should learn to play support competently. Your issue with moving instead of AAing can be aided by attack-move, but practicing accurate clicking is important regardless.

LP clamping.

I've made it to bronze 1 just by playing nothing but ranked.

And I just got my first win in bronze 1 and got 6 LP for what was a horrifyingly one sided stomp. Ez got fed, Nunu got fed, Kha'zix got fed, I completely and utterly stomped Diana in the jungle.
Keep in mind that a stomp may be due to MMR mismatch, which may be reflected in LP gains as well as MMR gains. But yeah, division 1 clamping is pretty common.

Siosilvar

2013-07-20, 11:16 PM

You could just play your top lane champions in mid, bot and jungle.

worked4me

What we're saying here is learn to play Jarvan. You won't regret it.

Grytorm

2013-07-20, 11:42 PM

Did the most troll move I have done for a while. Got annoyed at Jarvan for intentionally taking stuff I was farming. And I just randomly pushed bot then played ring around the nexus running from a Morgana and a Cho'Gath. I was lucky to survive while playing Malzahar.

It was a worse reason to troll than the few other ties I have done so, but I was annoyed and we were doing pretty well except for me. He wasn't doing anything really wrong, clearing minions when I was trying to do so isn't actually bad, just annoying, and I realize that I do that a lot to, but intentionally stealing Blue Buff while I was clearing it is kind of a jerk move. Eh, whatever, it doesn't really matter.

It probably isn't all right to troll and kind of rude, but I have done it 2 or 3 times. Once when my team was feeding and everybody was raging, and once when my team was feeding, everybody was fairly relaxed and I just kind of gave up. I did point out that what I was doing in chat wasn't really fair to the team and I probably deserved to be reported for it, but I was not in a good mood at the time. Another game I trolled slightly, I went all in against Pantheon as Darius because I was annoyed at the jungle for dieing at red buff, the Nocturne Jungle went and carried that game, I kind of felt bad for trolling at the beginning, but that game turned out okay.

What I define as trolling is when I just kind of give up and do things that I know are stupid and will likely get me killed, as I said it isn't rally fair to the team,and I probably shouldn't do it, but I do.

Antonok

2013-07-21, 02:37 AM

Okay so I broke down and downloaded the game (despite the misgivings I have about playing this game due to my habit of breaking keyboards). Only ran the tutorials so far. NA server name Antonok.

sonofzeal

2013-07-21, 03:30 AM

Okay so I broke down and downloaded the game (despite the misgivings I have about playing this game due to my habit of breaking keyboards). Only ran the tutorials so far. NA server name Antonok.
Huzzah!

Some advice from someone who still vividly remembers learning the basics....

- Play Annie. She's one of the cheapest champions to unlock, will teach you how to farm, and is seriously powerful against fellow newbies once you master her kit. For items, get her an Athene's Unholy Grail (for mana regen, until you learn how to manage mana better), Rabadon's Deathcap (for major-league pain), and Void Staff (for beating their Magic Resist).

- Play "Custom" games. Password-lock them so it's just you. At super-newbie stages, I find it easier to learn and experiment without allies running around either getting 198 kills themselves and winning singlehandedly, or doing everything they could to mess me up. It may take a number of games before you can beat "Beginner" bots, but in Custom you tilt the odds in your favour if you need to. Note that Custom games don't count for First Win of the Day, but Co-Op games do.

- If even Custom games are frustrating, you can always replay the tutorial and have fun utterly curbstomping. It's nice and cathartic, and a reminder that you are actually making progress.

- Try everything. Play every free character at least once in the week that they're up, then play the next set when they come. Specifically, try any character you have trouble beating. Master Yi giving you pain? Think he's OP? Play him for a bit, see how you do, realize his flaws, and learn exactly how to crush him into the ground by watching how other people crush YOU into the ground when you play as him.

Krazzman

2013-07-21, 04:38 AM

Anarion

2013-07-21, 05:27 AM

Yesterday evening I tried something different. Went with Heimerdinger and it was fun. Against Bots it is easily quite awesome. Against players it will definitly be not as awesome because they will dive for my towers first.

Then tried out Kayle.... man did I **** up. ended a bot game with 0/1/2...

Also what is it with those recommendations? I've got 2 friendly votes so far. No clue what they do.

How are you playing vs. the bots? They tend to be terrible against harass. Kayle, with her Q that slows and her ranged damage should be able to annihilate a bot game. Kill all the minions each wave and build a Nashor's tooth when you have the cash. Attack bots when they come close, but don't tower dive.

TheShrike

2013-07-21, 06:41 AM

So this dude (http://imgur.com/aCecyLd) has played a lot of co-op games.

Dallas-Dakota

2013-07-21, 06:45 AM

I would like to join this...challenge...

Starting wins: 52.
Rank: Silver II, 45 Points.

Reinboom

2013-07-21, 07:45 AM

Would you be willing to change my GitP on the main topic lists from SweetRein to Reinboom?

Forrestfire

2013-07-21, 09:07 AM

Done :smallsmile:

Godskook

2013-07-21, 10:39 AM

Okay so I broke down and downloaded the game (despite the misgivings I have about playing this game due to my habit of breaking keyboards). Only ran the tutorials so far. NA server name Antonok.

1.IP price is not an indication of viability. Ryze(450 IP) is played at the pro level, while Fiora(6300 IP) isn't, to my knowledge. On top of this, the 450 and 1350 price points tend to have a lot of champions that are especially strong for new players either because the concepts are simpler or because that champion very heavily encourages learning a core-concept of league. This is a good guide (http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/23882-gaming-on-an-ip-budget-what-to-buy) for getting a well rounded starter champion pool and rune selection. As sonofzeal said, Annie is -great- for learning the game while being outright terrifying for a long time to come.

2.Suck it up and play pvp. Its going to suck at first, but it gets so much better. (http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/438) And its better to start now, while you're still a pre-30 and can chalk up mistakes to being a pre-30. Sure, its ok to do a few custom or bot games(to get FWotD, for example), but you want to focus your experience on pvp. You'll learn more, and knowing your opponents are human makes you more likely to ask the most important question in League of Legends: "how are they doing that?"

3.Again, as sonofzeal said, playing the free-week champions is a solid way to learn the sheer volume of options available to people. In league of leagends, knowledge -is- power. Knowing what champions can or can't do lets you make decisions about fighting them. For instance, Veigar's stuncage is terrifying, but if he doesn't hit you with the actual wall-portioin, you can use flash to negate the entire skill and some champions(Ezreal) have abilities that can jump it as well.

Renegade Paladin

2013-07-21, 11:50 AM

Should I try to learn more roles before I play ranked?
Absolutely yes. Know at least three roles, and make one of them support, because you will be forced to play it in at least 1/5th of your games (barring the rare occurrence of a support main being in the game).

Godskook

2013-07-21, 11:58 AM

I would like to join this...challenge...

Starting wins: 52.
Rank: Silver II, 45 Points.

Got you on the lists on the updated table on page 1 of this thread. Am I missing anyone else?

Cogwheel

2013-07-21, 12:14 PM

So, Pantheon. Powerful, highly important part of most teams early on.

In the midgame, some Panth players will, through hubris and generally mucking about, squander their advantage by not capitalising on it, not ending the game in time or something. This turns into falling off hard in the late game, collapsing into repeated deaths and irrelevance.

In other words, a bad Pantheon, fittingly, scales like a Greek tragedy. Food for thought.

endoperez

2013-07-21, 12:26 PM

Absolutely yes. Know at least three roles, and make one of them support, because you will be forced to play it in at least 1/5th of your games (barring the rare occurrence of a support main being in the game).

I'm a support main, and even that isn't certain. You might end up in a game with a duo-queue who claim bot together, and if a support-player's three preferred roles are support, ADC and top, getting top becomes quite important for him.

lord_khaine

2013-07-21, 12:55 PM

Got you on the lists on the updated table on page 1 of this thread. Am I missing anyone else?

Lord Khaine is 1 game played and in relegation maches atm :)

Godskook

2013-07-21, 01:04 PM

Lord Khaine is 1 game played and in relegation maches atm :)

? You're on the list already, and I'm not doing win updates until end-of-month.

Renegade Paladin

2013-07-21, 02:05 PM

I'm a support main, and even that isn't certain. You might end up in a game with a duo-queue who claim bot together, and if a support-player's three preferred roles are support, ADC and top, getting top becomes quite important for him.
My three are jungle, support, and top, and in all my time ranked I've been forced into ADC once and mid never. And the time I was forced into ADC really shouldn't count, because we didn't have support either; fourth pick locked top after first pick already had it. :smalltongue:

Anarion

2013-07-21, 02:14 PM

I'm a strong proponent for being capable of all roles. I've only had to jungle 5-6 times in ranked games and it's my worst role, but I still won half of those games. I can jungle Amunu, Mundo, Nasus, and Elise and that's been enough to get through all the ranked and normal games I've needed to jungle.

Dada

2013-07-21, 02:54 PM

You need to know how to support and how to jungle if you are going to play ranked. There will be games where you are forced into either of those roles, and you don't want to autolose those games. You can probably get away with not being able to either mid or top, since most people will love to snag up those positions, especially if you warn your team ahead of time. Ad carry is sort of in between those extremes, in my experience.

ex cathedra

2013-07-21, 03:11 PM

I get by just fine with practicing three roles (top/mid/jungle). I have about 80 games played this season and I don't think I've been forced into adc/support more than two or three times, if that many. I have some familiarity with the other roles but nothing that resembles actual competency with either.

Grytorm

2013-07-21, 03:13 PM

So I played 2 games as top lane Udyr. They didn't go so well. Both times I had the most kills and the most deaths on my team, I'm probably being to aggressive. Thinking about what went wrong in those games, the first one I was really stupid early on and had 6 death in lane before getting 8 kills, that really set up Aatrox for mid and late game. The second one I just couldn't get to anyone easily, I was up against a Viktor, Lux and Fiddlestick (note to self, don't fight in fiddle ult) and had a lot of trouble with kiting. This was in blindpick normal, so anybody who fights at long ranges should be avoided if I ever take him ranked.

On my item build I got Hydra to splitpush, Black Cleaver for damage, Frozen Mallet for health, Iceborne Gauntlet for Mana and I was planning to get Spirit Visage for survivability, and I had Mercury Treads. Was this at least a decent build for a top lane Udyr? Besides never actually getting around to buy magic resist.

ChaosOS

2013-07-21, 03:17 PM

I play adc, support, jungle, and karma. In my 60 games out of bronze Ive played karma about 5 times.

lord_khaine

2013-07-21, 03:32 PM

? You're on the list already, and I'm not doing win updates until end-of-month.

You did make it sound so with talk of an updated list.

Neoseanster

2013-07-21, 04:18 PM

So, this happened to me.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4250/dt6i.jpg

THOSE WERE WELL DESERVED LP.

Ivellius

2013-07-21, 04:23 PM

On my item build I got Hydra to splitpush, Black Cleaver for damage, Frozen Mallet for health, Iceborne Gauntlet for Mana and I was planning to get Spirit Visage for survivability, and I had Mercury Treads. Was this at least a decent build for a top lane Udyr? Besides never actually getting around to buy magic resist.

It's not bad, although you shouldn't get Frozen Mallet if you're also getting IBG. Randuin's is better for tankiness and pursuit through its AoE slow. Get your tanky items first. Boots of Swiftness are a good option for Udyr, and you can grab Zephyr if you need Tenacity. I'd also think that, with Phoenix Stance, Ravenous Hydra isn't really needed. Wit's End isn't one of the best items on many characters, but it's probably fine for him. BotRK is good for an offensive item.

Udyr scales well with on-hit effects and tankiness.

Grytorm

2013-07-21, 04:40 PM

I was going Tiger udyr and didn't level up Pheonix until level 16, should I have grabbed a level earlier? I got the mallet because I panned to get a frozen heart instead of a gauntlet but I realized that I wanted the MR of Visage instead so I tried to avoid wasting CDR.

Lix Lorn

2013-07-21, 04:48 PM

As I understand it, that's the correct move. You want to max one, ignore the other.

If you're maxing phoenix, then one point in tiger might be nice for tower killing, but it's arguable I'd guess.

9mm

2013-07-21, 07:44 PM

As I understand it, that's the correct move. You want to max one, ignore the other.

If you're maxing phoenix, then one point in tiger might be nice for tower killing, but it's arguable I'd guess.

yes... and no.

Basically pick one of the four that's gonna be 3. Level skills as you need them. Need burst? Tiger. Need sustained? Phoenix. Udyr is completely reactive in skill build and items.

TheShrike

2013-07-21, 07:45 PM

So, this happened to me.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4250/dt6i.jpg

THOSE WERE WELL DESERVED LP.

Good thing you didn't use imgur, because otherwise we'd actually be able to see that game. :smalltongue:

Qwertystop

2013-07-21, 07:52 PM

TheShrike

2013-07-21, 08:00 PM

Well. Computer crashes, has to reload from a restore point. I open league, the logo appears, then vanishes. Nothing in the "processes" window.

I looked it up, looks like I'll have to reinstall. Quick question for anyone who might know: Why doesn't the installer include everything up to the most recent patch? Or at least a lot of the more unchanging things like most of the graphics? First-time the patcher always seems to need to download that, and the patcher rates are always slower than my internet (not particularly fast internet, either, as far as I know).

Updating the patcher each patch would be extra work that I'm really not sure Riot has the man hours to do particularly often. You'd have to download it either way, so I'm pretty sure having it downloaded by the patcher makes it easier on Riot (not to mention if they're still using that Pando piece of garbage, that reduces server load on Riot's end for the download).

As for why it's slow, Boompje (someone who's working on making an alternate client, and who was involved in making the unofficial Mac client in the past) has mentioned that the patcher is not hugely efficient, doing unnecessary steps and whatnot.

Renegade Paladin

2013-07-21, 08:26 PM

I just can't win. I've had three intentional feeders in a row. :smallsigh:

TechnOkami

2013-07-21, 08:38 PM

I just can't win. I've had three intentional feeders in a row. :smallsigh:

You should... believe in me who believes in you... and try again.

Renegade Paladin

2013-07-21, 09:07 PM

JKTrickster

2013-07-21, 09:32 PM

Qwertystop

2013-07-21, 09:37 PM

Huh... That game that my computer crashed midway through? It didn't mark it as a leave - we won, and I got LP for it.

Sallera

2013-07-21, 09:45 PM

Yeah, I've had that happen once before. I think there's a short grace period for unintentional disconnections.

PhantomFox

2013-07-21, 10:03 PM

Something I've been pondering: What teamcomp can send a champion the furthest distance? And how far is that distance? Could it be used to punt a champion all the way into the fountain?

Olinser

2013-07-21, 10:06 PM

First game - Guy calls ADC, then picks Yi. He then tries to coordinate team strategy, but much like ADC Yi, all his plans were dumb, like abandoning mid to push side lanes, and when we had two of their inhibs open, going to get the remaining towers in top lane instead of taking the inhibs because they were worth more gold. He wound up 1/11/10 and called us all noobs.

Second game - Top lane Renekton disconnects at level 5 after going 0/2/0 to Xin Zhao (the first death being because he tower dove when Xin flashed out of a level 2 gank) and I had to cover top as J4 with jungle items and the wrong summoners, runes, and masteries. When they figured out he'd DCed, they just grouped five bot and pushed it out to win, knowing there'd be no jungle pressure.

Third game - Teemo top gets ganked a couple of times, and when I suggested he should buy some wards, said he didn't need them because he had mushrooms and not to tell him how to play, then went and fed mid and bot twelve kills by just running up to them and pressing S.

Fourth game - Top lane Thresh did some kind of silly things, but was doing okay. Our Miss Fortune told him to learn how to play, so he said he wouldn't go near her and solo pushed top without wards all game, never grouping for teamfights. He was our only tank since last pick begged me for jungle and then took Yi.

:smallsigh:

Sucks man, sometimes you just get unlucky.

I was stuck in a game earlier where I was Sona and was paired with an absolutely TERRIBLE Ezrael. We were in a lane against a Graves and a TF support. They were both absolutely terrible. Half the time only 1 of them was in lane, TF was taking a decent amount of CS, and they had terrible builds. The only problem was, our Ezrael was even WORSE.

At one point it was 2v1 with only Graves around, and he was at half health. I was about half, Ez was full. So I Flash up, stun him, then exhaust him. He's at maybe 150-200 health left. Ezrael TURNS AROUND AND ATTACKS MINIONS WHILE GRAVES KILLS ME, then tells me to 'stop going rambo and let him farm'.

Literally, with the amount of kills he SHOULD have had that I set up with stuns/exhausts, he should have been 9-0. Instead he was 0-3, and left me to die 4 times.

Needless to say, our team got crushed.

Qwertystop

2013-07-21, 10:07 PM

Yeah, I've had that happen once before. I think there's a short grace period for unintentional disconnections.

Short grace periods? My computer crashed and when I got it running again I had to reinstall and repatch League. I posted that first message a few minutes after the reboot finished. I posted the later one a few minutes after I logged back into league and saw that my LP had gone up (and they honored me).

Olinser

2013-07-21, 10:08 PM

Yeah, I've had that happen once before. I think there's a short grace period for unintentional disconnections.

I believe it's based on how many DCs you have. If you have a lot (relative to games played), you get nothing and eventually will get temp banned (or even perma banned).

If you DC once every 100 games, it won't even register.

Cogwheel

2013-07-21, 10:33 PM

That is one of the most enlightening things I've ever read!

Amazing analogy :smallbiggrin:

Thank you, thank you. These are the things I do instead of actually improving my play.

TheShrike

2013-07-21, 10:36 PM

If you DC once every 100 games, it won't even register.

I'm actually 100% sure this is not correct. If you leave a game and do not reconnect to it, you will get a leave. If you DC from a game and do not reconnect to it, there is a period of time in which if it ends, you won't get a leave (I suspect it is the same length of time as the AFK timer, though don't quote me on it) but otherwise will get a leave. I have well under 1 leave per 100 games, but if my internet or power goes out during a game and I'm unable to reconnect, I will get a leave.

Godskook

2013-07-21, 10:47 PM

I believe it's based on how many DCs you have. If you have a lot (relative to games played), you get nothing and eventually will get temp banned (or even perma banned).

If you DC once every 100 games, it won't even register.

We're discussing two different things. You're talking about Leaverbuster(which doles out time-bans for repeated leaves), and Qwertystop/Sallera are talking about the "outcome decision" of an individual match and whether it counts as a win/loss or a "leave".

Math_Mage

2013-07-22, 12:19 AM

Something I've been pondering: What teamcomp can send a champion the furthest distance? And how far is that distance? Could it be used to punt a champion all the way into the fountain?
The champions with the most forced movement are:
-Lee Sin (1200-unit knockback)
-Blitzcrank (925-unit pull)
-Thresh (600-unit pull plus Flay)
-Urgot (850-range position reverser at max rank)
-Janna (maximum 875-range knockback)

with an honorable mention to Skarner (1.75 seconds * MS + distance gain from facing change--I don't remember exactly how that works)

One could abuse Revive/Teleport/Homeguard/Mobility Skarner to achieve the greatest possible total forced movement; otherwise, 4400+Flay seems like the theoretical limit.

abadguy

2013-07-22, 12:19 AM

You could just play your top lane champions in mid, bot and jungle.

worked4me

Heimerdinger is best suited for that.

abadguy

2013-07-22, 12:21 AM

The champions with the most forced movement are:
-Lee Sin (1200-unit knockback)
-Blitzcrank (925-unit pull)
-Thresh (600-unit pull plus Flay)
-Urgot (850-range position reverser at max rank)
-Janna (maximum 875-range knockback)

Tristana Ult knocks back 1000 units at Lv 3

Math_Mage

2013-07-22, 12:36 AM

Tristana Ult knocks back 1000 units at Lv 3

Oh, right, I told myself to remember Tristana and then forgot. So, Lee, Trist, Blitz, Thresh, Urgot, and Janna have the most fixed forced movement (hard to eliminate one without knowing what Thresh's Flay movement is), while Skarner's is variable. Total should be close to 4800 without aforementioned Skarner shenanigans.

TechnOkami

2013-07-22, 01:01 AM

Total should be close to 4800 without aforementioned Skarner shenanigans.

I wonder if that's why they won't buff Skarner. :/

u-gotNOgame

2013-07-22, 01:02 AM

Oh, right, I told myself to remember Tristana and then forgot. So, Lee, Trist, Blitz, Thresh, Urgot, and Janna have the most fixed forced movement (hard to eliminate one without knowing what Thresh's Flay movement is), while Skarner's is variable. Total should be close to 4800 without aforementioned Skarner shenanigans.

So about how many Teemo's is that? Also who wants to run blitz top to try this out?

-UGNG

Krazzman

2013-07-22, 01:50 AM

About how I played Kayle:

Tried to E attack only. Tried to harrass them with q and e but it wasn't quite enought they survived with 20hp or similar low numbers.

I played Heimerdinger in top and botlane. In both lanes I faired rather ok. I remember having problems in mid 1 year ago but unsure.

This time I went: Doran's Ring, 2 charms + mag resistcloak into the grail thing (playing with german language pack and can't remember the name) then rushing sorc.boots, rabadons, chalice(the one out of the grailthing) and ryalis and then most of the times it ends. I would add Warmogs or something else but I am unsure about that.

But against persons? How do I use my Missiles best? How should I plant Towers?
what champions should I try out for certain roles and what Runes should I use with them?

I have nearly no time for really trying out pvp and just go FWotD bot games but would like to learn a bit.

Winthur

2013-07-22, 02:06 AM

Oh, right, I told myself to remember Tristana and then forgot.
Isn't she supposed to be your main AD carry? :smallsigh:
Man, you should take an example from LOD...
...if you know what I mean

Anarion

2013-07-22, 02:31 AM

Oh, right, I told myself to remember Tristana and then forgot. So, Lee, Trist, Blitz, Thresh, Urgot, and Janna have the most fixed forced movement (hard to eliminate one without knowing what Thresh's Flay movement is), while Skarner's is variable. Total should be close to 4800 without aforementioned Skarner shenanigans.

You're not counting glitches, I assume?

If you count glitches, I'm fairly certain this is about as far as you can go. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e30z5va8sGw)

Nadevoc

2013-07-22, 04:39 AM

You're not counting glitches, I assume?

If you count glitches, I'm fairly certain this is about as far as you can go. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e30z5va8sGw)

Man, now I miss truly global ults again :-(

ChaosOS

2013-07-22, 06:43 AM

McDouggal

2013-07-22, 09:17 AM

So, this happened to me.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4250/dt6i.jpg

THOSE WERE WELL DESERVED LP.

... How are you behind on kills in a 3v5?

Good thing you didn't use imgur, because otherwise we'd actually be able to see that game. :smalltongue:

Every time you do this, I put off my transition to Imgur for hosting another month, Shrike.

About how I played Kayle:

Tried to E attack only. Tried to harrass them with q and e but it wasn't quite enought they survived with 20hp or similar low numbers.

I played Heimerdinger in top and botlane. In both lanes I faired rather ok. I remember having problems in mid 1 year ago but unsure.

This time I went: Doran's Ring, 2 charms + mag resistcloak into the grail thing (playing with german language pack and can't remember the name) then rushing sorc.boots, rabadons, chalice(the one out of the grailthing) and ryalis and then most of the times it ends. I would add Warmogs or something else but I am unsure about that.

But against persons? How do I use my Missiles best? How should I plant Towers?
what champions should I try out for certain roles and what Runes should I use with them?

I have nearly no time for really trying out pvp and just go FWotD bot games but would like to learn a bit.

Kayle is hard. Like, annoyingly so for a 450 champ.

Dinger is weird. And with his upcoming rework actually visible in the near future, I'd suggest you learn another champ rather than frustrate yourself with learning him again in a few months.

Ivellius

2013-07-22, 09:57 AM

Lantern hooks can make that longer

Yeah, this is actually a better option than trying to Death Sentence someone. You might even be able to combo this with a couple of Flashes (theoretically hook-Flash-grab lantern-Thresh Flash) but I'm not sure if that interacts properly. Lantern hook is definitely good, though.

I find Kayle reasonably easy, but I've been playing forever. If you take her mid, the other person will probably wave clear effectively so you don't have to worry about pushing with E too much. She runs down everyone with Q, and her defense shred is pretty silly. I start Stinger-> Nashor's most games and build the rest to taste. My past couple games have been on Treeline, so Blackfire Torch is what I grab there. It's about to get reworked, though.

Anarion

2013-07-22, 11:38 AM

About how I played Kayle:

Tried to E attack only. Tried to harrass them with q and e but it wasn't quite enought they survived with 20hp or similar low numbers.

Kayle is hard. Like, annoyingly so for a 450 champ.

As a vs. bots game, that has very little to do with Kayle and a great deal to do with unfamiliarity with positioning and champion control. It is possible to take any champion in the game against beginner bots and come out with several kills and no deaths.

I'd suggest trying the same Kayle play several more times, Krazzman. You'll find that after you do it a few times, you'll start to pick up the range and safe distance when you fight. Consistency with a champion will help a lot there, and you'll be able to look back in a month or so and wonder how you ever died.

TheShrike

2013-07-22, 12:01 PM

Playing cautiously in a co-op is no fun, though. Sometimes you just gotta go deep.

ex cathedra

2013-07-22, 12:41 PM

NineThePuma

2013-07-22, 01:03 PM

A lot of Kayle's difficulty isn't in playing her, but in game sense. When do you ult? What's the best time for you to go all in on your lane opponent?

Some of it can even come down to simple skills like mana management.

Math_Mage

2013-07-22, 01:11 PM

Lantern hooks can make that longer

You mean if an allied Thresh does it, right? I was only looking at an enemy team. So, Lee Tristana Urgot Blitz Janna vs. Thesh + *target*. Bonus points for super-longrange Blitz hooks or Lee Sin Resonating Strikes.

toasty

2013-07-22, 02:04 PM

gold 3 -> gold 1 in eight games. gg ez.

how is kayle remotely hard though? all of her abilities are point-and-click and her DPS is all auto-attacks. her ult has a huge range, low cd, and long duration. she doesn't use much mana and you can build pretty much anything. she even bullies in lane and waveclears effortlessly. one of the easiest 450s imo.

To be far, lots of heroes have very little in the way of skill shots or hard to land/use spells and yet have what I think are rather high skill ceillings. It took me FOREVER to figure Vlad out. And my winrate still isn't high enough for what is a 0 skill shot retarded stupid lane phase hero. My ability to teamfight with him is still average (for my skill level) at best.

ex cathedra

2013-07-22, 03:11 PM

A lot of Kayle's difficulty isn't in playing her, but in game sense.
this is no more true of kayle than it is of most heroes, though, and her ult is pretty basic. as are her mana costs and laning.

TheShrike

2013-07-22, 03:35 PM

this is no more true of kayle than it is of most heroes, though, and her ult is pretty basic. as are her mana costs and laning.

I dunno, Kayle's game sense is probably harder than Trynd's, for example. All Trynd does is constantly push top. Once he takes that inhib, he starts to push bot.

ChaosOS

2013-07-22, 06:12 PM

You mean if an allied Thresh does it, right? I was only looking at an enemy team. So, Lee Tristana Urgot Blitz Janna vs. Thesh + *target*. Bonus points for super-longrange Blitz hooks or Lee Sin Resonating Strikes.

Blitz if he grabs the lantern right after throwing his hook will bring the enemy to where blitz is at the time of contact.

I dunno, Kayle's game sense is probably harder than Trynd's, for example. All Trynd does is constantly push top. Once he takes that inhib, he starts to push bot.

Kayle early is hard to play with mana management, and her ult has finicky timing

Math_Mage

2013-07-22, 06:29 PM

Blitz if he grabs the lantern right after throwing his hook will bring the enemy to where blitz is at the time of contact.
Oh. I guess that's enough of a corner case that they wouldn't give it the flash hook treatment. Them Blitz/Thresh bot lanes tho. >.>

Can Skarner click on the lantern while ulting?

NineThePuma

2013-07-22, 06:32 PM

Blitz if he grabs the lantern right after throwing his hook will bring the enemy to where blitz is at the time of contact.

Not anymore, I don't think. Pretty sure they fixed that.

Siosilvar

2013-07-22, 06:52 PM

Oh. I guess that's enough of a corner case that they wouldn't give it the flash hook treatment. Them Blitz/Thresh bot lanes tho. >.>

Can Skarner click on the lantern while ulting?

IIRC Blitz can't any more. I'm pretty sure Skarner can.

Math_Mage

2013-07-22, 07:09 PM

The wiki is unclear on the subject, saying only that Blitz can grab the lantern while hooking. This calls for playtesting! If only I were at home.

Thomas Cardew

2013-07-22, 09:15 PM

From personal experience within the last month, (iffy on the details and too lazy to find when I mentioned it in the previous threads), Blitz can't grab the lantern when grabbing. Or rather if blitz grabs then lanterns the grab moves his target to where he was not where he is.

dgnslyr

2013-07-22, 10:43 PM

Pretty sure the Threshcrank lantern-hook combo doesn't work. I saw robertxlee unsuccessfully attempt it on stream.

If we're going to talk about displacements, though, I still think Speed Racer Skarner is one of the better bets. With 600 movespeed and a 1.75 second suppress, he should be able to cover 1050 units, which is better than a few of those knockbacks. And that's not even with total optimization - you could just about reach 600 movespeed with Mobility boots, Skarner's shield, and Shurelia's active. With a few more speed-boosters, he could Formula-One around even quicker, and cover more ground.

ex cathedra

2013-07-22, 10:55 PM

Pretty sure the Threshcrank lantern-hook combo doesn't work. I saw robertxlee unsuccessfully attempt it on stream.

i saw bischu+daydreamin successfully attempt it on stream several times, so it 100% worked at one point in time. mayb robert sux

dgnslyr

2013-07-22, 11:12 PM

Distinct possibility, worth noting.

How recently did you see it? I think I saw robert flub it about a week ago? I guess been patched by now.

Darth Mario

2013-07-22, 11:29 PM

Personally, I haven't seen it successfully done since the first couple weeks of Thresh's release, and I see a shockingly large number of enemy Blitz/Thresh lanes.

Grytorm

2013-07-22, 11:33 PM

I actually tried Jayce. I don't particularly care for him, mostly because I act like I am tanky while building glass cannon, about the only contribution I made to the team was shredding the nexus turrets while are Lee Sin was trying to kill there Ashe, we both died but before that happened I successfully killed both of the turrets off.

Notable moments include thinking to myself, maybe I shouldn't focus on the 600 armor Malphite.

McDouggal

2013-07-22, 11:46 PM

Get Fiddlesticks in ARAM

Proceed to W tank their Shaco, Sivir, and Zyra at once

???

Win

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p527/MacDouggal/datmoment_zps7c0b88bc.jpg (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/MacDouggal/media/datmoment_zps7c0b88bc.jpg.html)

Also, Fiddles initating fights is hilarious. The amount of scatter the opposition did when I landed in them was hilarious. "OH BEEP! FIDDLE ULT! RUN AWAY!"

Antonok

2013-07-23, 12:44 AM

Well, played for the last couple days and I like the game... I just can't get anywhere. About every other match I have horrid lag that makes playing near impossible. And according to the forums, I'm not the only one. Had one game last night that kicked everyone, couldn't even log back in til this morning.

Tried a few of the champions so far. I'm best at a supporting role for top it seems. Annie, Ryze, and Volibear are my favorites so far out of the ones I've tried (all of the weekly, and a few of the 1350 IP ones). Jayce is alright but it reminds me a lot of stance dancing warriors from WoW.

I've gotten a feel for how to counter the various champions except for Cho'Gath. I can handle him for the most part until he gets too many stacks then he just rips thru everything.

Starswords

2013-07-23, 12:57 AM

How to counter an Eve as support?

1. Skip sightstone
2. Buy only pink wards
3. Drink her tears!

Winthur

2013-07-23, 01:27 AM

How to counter an Eve as support?

1. Skip sightstone
2. Buy only pink wards
3. Drink her tears!

This can be rather grossly inefficient. If you aren't heavily pushed or pushing to the turret, Evelynn can arrive from the tribrush, from the river, or just get comfy in a lane brush for a few seconds and then ambush you. Under the enemy turret she can't do a lane brush gank, she can still however run, catch up to you and deal some pretty rough damage. Meanwhile you as a support lose quite a lot of gold. Sure you want pink wards, but up to 3 pink wards every back to be completely safe seems overkill. Nothing promises you don't lose a lane in a hefty 2v2 or simply due to being zoned.

One thing you can do if you are against a jungle Evelynn: what you can do is to play normal and use Sight Wards - to ward her buffs and camps. Mid lane should already have a ward around wraiths. When killing camps, Evelynn becomes visible. Ward her blue or red buff in addition. When you're blue side, wolves can be warded. When purple side, small golems can be warded. Play passive when she shows anywhere nearby.

If she's a mid laner, just put a vision ward in her lane. It's not even you that has to do that, jungler and mid already should.

Krazzman

2013-07-23, 01:55 AM

Tried out Annie.

Was fun. Some of her speaches gave me giggles.

But as always: I got Bot and have the worst luck. This time Ashe let me solo bot, then comes for stealing the kills. Tried several times to push mid while Malzahar was there and told her to get back to her lane (this was around level 2). Killed people(bots) anyway.

Someone mentioned that Annie is quite good to learn the basics. That's why I chose her. Heimerdinger is fun but the last time his Turrets were hard to use against non-bots.

SO Heimerdinger will be reworked? I'll wait for it then.

ABout Kayle... yes the problem was with positioning, how far does her E stretch out. When to stop autoattacking, Manamanagement. The death in the bot game was just being caused by one moment not really seeing that e had run out and kayle wanted to go into meleerange against sona and miss fortune. That and probably building AtSp Kayle without the AtSp runes (used AD runes instead)

Anarion

2013-07-23, 02:20 AM

Tried a few of the champions so far. I'm best at a supporting role for top it seems. Annie, Ryze, and Volibear are my favorites so far out of the ones I've tried (all of the weekly, and a few of the 1350 IP ones). Jayce is alright but it reminds me a lot of stance dancing warriors from WoW.

I've gotten a feel for how to counter the various champions except for Cho'Gath. I can handle him for the most part until he gets too many stacks then he just rips thru everything.

Cool, glad you're enjoying it. Just so you know, past a certain level of play, the top is usually a solo lane, and the person that would have been duo top instead fights all the neutral monsters in the jungle and runs around to the different lanes ambushing people.

TFT

2013-07-23, 02:42 AM

So, uh... This just happened.

http://i.imgur.com/iEISwc5.jpg

The score was 4 to 15 or something at some point in their favor. THIS is the reason why I never give up on games. There is always a chance to win them(Especially if you have a good tryndamere who knows how to splitpush and kills shen off of one and your team knows how to group.)

(Side note: I was top 4 damage that game, and only fourth behind vayne by 1k at most. Support zyra scales really really well.)

endoperez

2013-07-23, 06:40 AM

Tried out Annie.

Was fun. Some of her speaches gave me giggles.

But as always: I got Bot and have the worst luck. This time Ashe let me solo bot, then comes for stealing the kills. Tried several times to push mid while Malzahar was there and told her to get back to her lane (this was around level 2). Killed people(bots) anyway.

Someone mentioned that Annie is quite good to learn the basics. That's why I chose her. Heimerdinger is fun but the last time his Turrets were hard to use against non-bots.

Annie is one of my favourites, glad you liked her.

What you described isn't all bad luck, though. In a real game against humans, your allies will want to come to your aid when your enemies are on low health or vulnerable. Humans often know to get away before they die.

Learning to anticipate these ganks, and learning how you can play with the ganker, how you can combo your stuns and their slows or stuns... Of course ganking the AI bots is really different, but still, there are thing you could learn from it.

sonofzeal

2013-07-23, 08:13 AM

Tried out Annie.

Was fun. Some of her speaches gave me giggles.

But as always: I got Bot and have the worst luck. This time Ashe let me solo bot, then comes for stealing the kills.
As endoperez said, it's called a "gank", and it's a good thing even if it doesn't always feel that way. As much as it's satisfying to go toe to toe and clobber them down and end the game with a huge kill score, the goal is to win, and "winning" in the early game is generally measured by building up an overall gold advantage for your team moving into later-game.

A kill for your team is good. You get gold for the kill, you get time free from the enemy's pressure, and the enemy is denied whatever farm they'd have gotten in that time.

However, if someone swoops in at the last minute and takes that kill... your team still gets all that, plus bonus gold to you for the "assist". Your team overall gains more from an assisted kill than from a solo kill, strange as it seems, and if your goal is to win the game then it's to your overall best interest to allow or even encourage that.

Plus... "Kill Stealing" is just another term for "Kill Securing". You never know when they're going to Flash over a wall or somesuch, and if Ashe can get that person dead a second before you would have by yourself, that's a second less for something to go wrong and the target to escape.

It may not be pleasant to have someone get the credit for the kill you "earned", but try to roll with it. It'll happen, it's a good thing in the long term, and a roamer who knows when to be in which lanes when enemies are vulnerable is a very valuable thing in the long run. Plus, hey, you're Annie. If an enemy's low enough, you should be able to nuke down the rest of their health in half a second with no chance for anyone else to "steal" your kill in the first place.

Krazzman

2013-07-23, 08:47 AM

Thanks for the response.

But my complaint was not about KSing. I am was and am a vivid defender of "There is no KSing in LoL, except..." with the exception being you supported and didn't get an assist. So assiststealing is a thing.

The annoying thing and why I said "worst luck" was that instead of helping me push that lane. I do it all alone while ashe actively harms our Mid-progression, runs around far behind the enemy lines (was on top lane at third tower while being level 2) and died multiple times. It just seemed more random than planned.

About Annies Burst:
Problem being with no real offense items (just had Sorc Boots) this is a bit harder to pull off. I think in that game I didn't even get Rabadons and I just went Sorcs, Needlessly Large Rod.

zabbarot

2013-07-23, 09:36 AM

SO Heimerdinger will be reworked? I'll wait for it then.

How many times has Heimerdinger already been reworked now? Sometimes I miss his 6 turrets, even if it took some set up.

Duos

2013-07-23, 09:50 AM

Is there any way to inflate MMR so I don't have to play with silver people anymore? I'm tired of people feeding and making terrible calls and giving me free losses.

Eldariel

2013-07-23, 09:52 AM

Is there any way to inflate MMR so I don't have to play with silver people anymore? I'm tired of people feeding and making terrible calls and giving me free losses.

Honestly? The only trick is to play better and get to higher elo. Tho feeding and terrible calls and all that sitll happens.

Olinser

2013-07-23, 09:59 AM

Is there any way to inflate MMR so I don't have to play with silver people anymore? I'm tired of people feeding and making terrible calls and giving me free losses.

If you're constantly playing with silver people, it means that you're playing at silver level.

Honestly the only way to move up is to play a lot of games. If after 50 games you're still in silver, that's where you belong, until your skill improves.

Antonok

2013-07-23, 11:13 AM

Cogwheel

2013-07-23, 11:16 AM

So I think I found my ultimate champion. I LOVE Fizz. He plays to my exact style and both games I played with him (granted it was against the AI) I went 10+ kills with less then 5 deaths and a couple of assists. Must.... save... 6300 IP...

Settle down and play some others before you rush any decisions.

That said, I approve heartily. Fizz is hard to play - at least, skill ceiling-wise - but he is fantastic.

Edit: A bit late, but I'm adding you, in case you're wondering who this 'Omega Nixon' is. I have my reasons for the name.

TheShrike

2013-07-23, 11:28 AM

So I've made it a bit of a hobby that whenever someone complains about always being matched up with terrible people who constantly make mistakes, I spectate one of their games and try to see how many of their own mistakes they're making. It turns out that they tend to make roughly as many mistakes as the people they're queued with.

Olinser

2013-07-23, 12:43 PM

TheShrike

2013-07-23, 12:51 PM

It's known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

There's more to the effect than that, but yes.

EDIT: Also, even people who know all about the effect call fall victim to it.

Maryring

2013-07-23, 12:57 PM

Olinser

2013-07-23, 01:01 PM

There's more to the effect than that, but yes.

EDIT: Also, even people who know all about the effect call fall victim to it.

Absolutely. I'm pretty much in the second stage right now, where I can recognize mistakes but a lot of times I lack the ability to do something about it. Case in point, last night I was playing a Vayne/Leona lane against a Blitz/Ashe. Ashe completely outranged Vayne and drove me out of lane in the first minute, and that let Ashe and Blitz get way ahead in CS. After that, there wasn't much we could do, they patrolled on our side of the minions and prevented me from getting any CS, and our jungler had his hands full with top lane. I knew exactly what mistakes we were making, but couldn't really do anything about it.

I generally try to refrain from bitching about teammates unless they make absolutely ridiculous mistakes (like the Ez I talked about a couple pages back), or they make obviously troll moves. I'm generally much more of a, "Hey, if you do X, it will work out better", guy.

While you may be stuck with bad people that cost you a loss in a few games, most people ignore the bad ones on the OTHER team that let them win.

Which is why the ranked and MMR system works the way it does. Over the long haul, other player's performances are really fairly irrelevant to your ranking, as they will be biased in your favor as much as they are against you. Sure you might get unlucky and lose 9 out of 10 provisional matches and get put in Bronze 1, but if you're really a Gold+ level player, you will climb until you get to the appropriate rank.

Eldariel

2013-07-23, 01:03 PM

Anarion

2013-07-23, 01:13 PM

Huh, hadn't seen that. Ninja Barbecue is kinda awesome just as an idea but loses about infinite points for not having Kennen lighting up the grill. Demacian Hall is pretty cool, went with that. The Fisherman Fizz/Nami one is hilariously awkward tho.

I voted the all-Yordle barbecue. Lulu+Veigar and Teemo+Tristana in the same picture AND Ziggs pelting everyone with water balloons? Sold.

On a more serious note, I had what I'd call the worst win of my LoL career last night in a ranked match and I'm not sure what, if anything I should do to improve it. I was matched Kennen mid vs. a Kassadin. I had a good but not great pre-6 lane (hit 6 before Kass by a full wave, was up ~20 farm, had 1 kill). After 6 though, their jungle Rammus basically pitched a tent mid-lane and every single time Kass jumped it, it was accompanied by a Rammus rolling up. Meanwhile, my Lee Sin never ganked mid and got top and bottom snowballing. Then we grouped up and our Caitlyn took nearly all the farm while we postured midlane (which was probably correct).

The result was that I ended up 2/8 and never even got a Zhonya's while the rest of my team owned faces and the Cait finished the game 70 farm ahead of anyone else.

Math_Mage

2013-07-23, 01:22 PM

I voted the all-Yordle barbecue. Lulu+Veigar and Teemo+Tristana in the same picture AND Ziggs pelting everyone with water balloons? Sold.

On a more serious note, I had what I'd call the worst win of my LoL career last night in a ranked match and I'm not sure what, if anything I should do to improve it. I was matched Kennen mid vs. a Kassadin. I had a good but not great pre-6 lane (hit 6 before Kass by a full wave, was up ~20 farm, had 1 kill). After 6 though, their jungle Rammus basically pitched a tent mid-lane and every single time Kass jumped it, it was accompanied by a Rammus rolling up. Meanwhile, my Lee Sin never ganked mid and got top and bottom snowballing. Then we grouped up and our Caitlyn took nearly all the farm while we postured midlane (which was probably correct).

The result was that I ended up 2/8 and never even got a Zhonya's while the rest of my team owned faces and the Cait finished the game 70 farm ahead of anyone else.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaards

When you get ahead, it's really easy to get into a hyperaggressive mindset and just try to kill mid lane whenever you see him. That's what their jungler is counting on. Make yourself safe with wards, harass and push, go for the kill if it's free, but otherwise go and kill a side lane or farm wraiths or something. You did play a role in the win by drawing jungler's attention to your lane and making a 4v3, but ideally you do it without dying so much. :smalltongue:

PhoeKun

2013-07-23, 01:31 PM

So who else has voted on this (http://woobox.com/7k7bhk) here? I cast my vote for the all yordle picture, as I found it to be extremely cute, but I was also quite fond of the Demacian hall meeting picture and a couple others. Was hard to choose just one to vote for.

You're allowed to vote for more than one. Other than selecting 10 (well, technically 5) grand prize winners and 10 honorable mentions, overall position doesn't matter.

Huh, hadn't seen that. Ninja Barbecue is kinda awesome just as an idea but loses about infinite points for not having Kennen lighting up the grill.

:smallfrown:

McDouggal

2013-07-23, 02:05 PM

O.o Apparently I hit frontpage of the League subreddit overnight.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ivj3e/as_riot_is_looking_to_make_league_a_spectator/

LordShotGun

2013-07-23, 02:25 PM

O.o Apparently I hit frontpage of the League subreddit overnight.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ivj3e/as_riot_is_looking_to_make_league_a_spectator/

I have run into that issue with people occasionally. I just tell them that there are 2 teams of five fighting on a map trying to destroy each other bases. If they are interested enough to keep watching then I explain more but they usually see the whole complicated mess happening on the screen and just walk away.

Math_Mage

2013-07-23, 02:55 PM

O.o Apparently I hit frontpage of the League subreddit overnight.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ivj3e/as_riot_is_looking_to_make_league_a_spectator/
Do you want a fifteen-second spiel, a one-minute elevator pitch, or a five-minute presentation? Different standards apply--I've written a five-minute presentation before, but that's not what you're getting from Reddit.

toasty

2013-07-23, 03:45 PM

Is there ever a situation where Diana needs 2 armor items?

Siosilvar

2013-07-23, 03:53 PM

Is there ever a situation where Diana needs 2 armor items?

Like what, Zhonya's and another Zhonya's?

I don't think there is. Even against an AD-heavy team, you're probably better off buying a Deathcap or some other big AP and/or CDR item because of the shield, plus it'll increase your damage output so you don't have to deal with as much incoming damage. I'd have to do the math to be sure, but it doesn't feel right to build tank Diana simply because building straight AP makes you a bruiser/assassin.

Eldariel

2013-07-23, 03:58 PM

Is there ever a situation where Diana needs 2 armor items?

Plenty. Zhonya > GA is fairly darn solid for basically any AP assassin.

Renegade Paladin

2013-07-23, 07:34 PM

EternalMelon

2013-07-23, 07:46 PM

Guess whos gunna play their 1000th sr game?
ME!

NineThePuma

2013-07-23, 08:23 PM

This is only tangentially rlated to league, but it made me laugh hysterically. (https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/944275_476640202425439_1282403916_n.jpg)

Duos

2013-07-23, 08:45 PM

If you're constantly playing with silver people, it means that you're playing at silver level.

Honestly the only way to move up is to play a lot of games. If after 50 games you're still in silver, that's where you belong, until your skill improves.

"git gud" is all I ever hear from people, and honestly, I'm starting to get tired of it. I can only snowball (or in some cases, snowball others) so much before my carry starts repeatedly wandering off alone fifty minutes in.

So I've made it a bit of a hobby that whenever someone complains about always being matched up with terrible people who constantly make mistakes, I spectate one of their games and try to see how many of their own mistakes they're making. It turns out that they tend to make roughly as many mistakes as the people they're queued with.

You're welcome to it. As long as you can point out clear areas where I need to make improvement rather than giving a general 'you're silver so you're bad' statement, I'm entirely open to constructive criticism. Also, as a point of order: In general, my teammates are competent and only rarely make mistakes that aren't super common to my ELO, but there always seems to be that ONE GUY who rushes Zerkers->BorK->Zephyr on Udyr and feeds a trillion kills to their Akali or something. I wish there was some sort of derp-sensitive radar I could install into my LoL client.

So who else has voted on this here? I cast my vote for the all yordle picture, as I found it to be extremely cute, but I was also quite fond of the Demacian hall meeting picture and a couple others. Was hard to choose just one to vote for.

>"Nerf the Chef" shirt
SOLD to the ninja barbeque.

Siosilvar

2013-07-23, 09:32 PM

If my math is right, I could have a ~30% win rate and stay where I am. Matchmaking is pushing me to Silver II/III hard. Someone come gank that.

You're welcome to it. As long as you can point out clear areas where I need to make improvement rather than giving a general 'you're silver so you're bad' statement, I'm entirely open to constructive criticism. Also, as a point of order: In general, my teammates are competent and only rarely make mistakes that aren't super common to my ELO, but there always seems to be that ONE GUY who rushes Zerkers->BorK->Zephyr on Udyr and feeds a trillion kills to their Akali or something. I wish there was some sort of derp-sensitive radar I could install into my LoL client.

You're silver so you're bad. So am I.

Mine is decision making (usually in the "staying out too long" variety, especially as a jungler) and not warding enough, especially when I'm behind. Also getting caught all of the time during baron/dragon dances and mid game in general. I keep a spreadsheet now for all of my ranked games, and immediately after the game write down a general analysis - what I need to improve on, mostly. Do that or keep replays or something and note what goes wrong. Just yours, mind you - focusing on other people who lost you a game isn't going to help you improve at all.

Math_Mage

2013-07-23, 09:53 PM

*shrug* Making a general statement about the baddies you play with in Silver is just asking for a general reply about being Silver-level yourself. Specific advice is difficult to offer without the aforementioned spectating/replays.

Godskook

2013-07-23, 10:40 PM

"git gud" is all I ever hear from people, and honestly, I'm starting to get tired of it. I can only snowball (or in some cases, snowball others) so much before my carry starts repeatedly wandering off alone fifty minutes in.

If the game lasted 50, you can snowball harder. Much, much harder.

You're welcome to it. As long as you can point out clear areas where I need to make improvement rather than giving a general 'you're silver so you're bad' statement, I'm entirely open to constructive criticism.

Shrike's criticism is almost always super useful, but no promises on if he'll be gentle or not.

Also, as a point of order: In general, my teammates are competent and only rarely make mistakes that aren't super common to my ELO, but there always seems to be that ONE GUY who rushes Zerkers->BorK->Zephyr on Udyr and feeds a trillion kills to their Akali or something. I wish there was some sort of derp-sensitive radar I could install into my LoL client.

That Udyr is Gold ranked, I played with him recently, and we won anyway.

toasty

2013-07-23, 10:49 PM

"git gud" is all I ever hear from people, and honestly, I'm starting to get tired of it. I can only snowball (or in some cases, snowball others) so much before my carry starts repeatedly wandering off alone fifty minutes in.

I realize this is going to sound annoying, BUT: DL and Chauster recently were given smurf accounts with everything unlocked, but no ranking, for "research" apparently. I watched their first game: they ended it in 16 minutes. DL and Chauster, together, were responsible for all their kills. According to Chauster "it was easier than bots" (which might actually not be inaccurate at one point in the game). Another game, they prevented the enemy ez from hitting level 2 for 5 minutes. We are talking stupid, stupid levels of outplay. So the answer is yes, yes you can snowball it enough until the carry starts to wander off alone at fifty minutes.

Now, having said that: practice mechanics. Attempt to get perfect CS, then attempt to do that WHILE harassing. Learn match ups. Learn 1 hero and learn when they are strong and when they are weak and play them against other heroes with different power spikes and learn to account for that. Play jungle or support a little to get some different perspectives on utility-based gameplay versus farm-based gameplay. Learn a new hero and learn how to abuse and use different power spikes or different ability interaction.

Find what you're good at. Are you good at engaging? Then play Malphite, or, if you want to carry, Morgana, Diana, or Lissandra. Are you good at 1v1? Play Zed and split push. Are you good in a duo lane? Learn some ADCs and Supports. Do you like roaming the map and being the early-game playmaker? Pick a jungler, especially one like Elise or Lee Sin that has really strong base values and ganking potential.

Ask other players to watch you or play with you and ask them what you are doing wrong. There are several people in the GITP community that do this, even with me, and I don't really play with other people much. Ask them to critique your builds. Today me and Aether/joyless had a good conversation about Vlad and how to build him. I bring this up for two reasons: A) because I learn from Aether and B) League is ****ing complicated. There are 100+ heroes, 100+ items, runes, masteries, summoner spells, different positions to play and different stages of the game. A lot of pros got to the pro level after years of playing video games, and often had experience from other MOBAs or the professional scene in some fashion. They have skills and a mindset that is superior to the average person, that is why they are good. There is litterally SO MUCH information out there that saying "I feel like I can never carry" is simply to general. You need to narrow it down. My Vlad discussion took about 5ish minutes, and that is about one aspect of one hero independent of a lot of other factors that generally go into the game and into decision making (for instance, the WHY of me buying Abyssal for no reason actually made sense at the time. But in hindsight it was still a bad decision based on misplays I had. So bad decision making compounded on itself).

Its a complicated game. I've been playing for three years and I am learning every day. Dyrus has been playing for four years and is still learning more and more every day. We are just learning at different paces and/or started from different spots.

Thomas Cardew

2013-07-23, 11:31 PM

CLIENT RANT INCOMING

GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE THIS POS CLIENT

Ranked team game, we were up a tower (they had bot we had bot and top), 6 kills, and a dragon. Caitlyn was 6/1/5. Cait's taking red while we set up to push mid down. Then Renek, Cait, and Kha all DC. As the enemy team starts to engage in mid. They take 3 turrets and an inhib, and a free kill on kha. Hec and I died as we try to protect him/tower. Then cait officially dcs and walks through mid to get picked up by all 5 as they back. All 3 reconnect for 20 secs before DCing again. They push mid against the 2 of us and win.

I'm just so pissed. We were crushing the other team. And then this BS happens. GAAAHH.

/rant

Better Now

Winthur

2013-07-23, 11:35 PM

*snip*

all this absolutely wonderful advice going to waste because toasty follows all those steps he outlined and he's still bronze huehue yolo trolelod

toasty

2013-07-23, 11:38 PM

all this absolutely wonderful advice going to waste because toasty follows all those steps he outlined and he's still bronze huehue yolo trolelod

Silver 5 is not bronze. :smalltongue:

Winthur

2013-07-23, 11:43 PM

Silver 5 is not bronze. :smalltongue:

And Sion is a perfectly viable hero. :smalltongue:

Grytorm

2013-07-24, 12:02 AM

Against all logic I am trying to play ADC, I absolutely suck at it. At least a portion of my failure in my last game was because of lag, but I still suck at the role. Varus Q freezes my game.

Edit: Just started a Ranked Game with Urgot, LeBlanc and Yorick, what is late game?

Siosilvar

2013-07-24, 12:16 AM

Edit: Just started a Ranked Game with Urgot, LeBlanc and Yorick, what is late game?

That thing that doesn't happen in SoloQ.

Duos

2013-07-24, 12:29 AM

My biggest problem, If I could pinpoint one, is that I cannot get people to listen to me.

"Hey, we killed their jungler and their carry is low, let's take dragon."
"Guys, there's two bot and I pinked baron, let's take it."
"Support, you have good CC, stay with the carry so the enemy assassin can't dive them."
"There's four bot but they can't pressure well enough, let's go steal a buff or take a tower."
"Their burst caster is dead and we're ahead; group and force objectives."
"Their assassin got fed off of ganks, keep approaches warded and don't wander off alone."

If I could do that? If I could get people to listen to reason? I'd be miles ahead. As is, right now, instead what I get is people derping and faffing about, wasting the leads I have given them. I just got out of a game. I played singed vs vlad. I forced him out of lane, kept his cs at 30 while mine was at 70, and took his tower at around 15 minutes. I spent the rest of the game roaming, warding, and ganking lanes. We still lost because our Leona kept diving onto people while I was far, our Varus would walk straight up to their Xin, and their Lux and Vlad, who eventually got fed off of the rest of the team, tore people to shreds because the only MR items on my team were my mercs and my spirit visage. The game before that? Bot lane constantly shoved out, never warded, and fed their AP Yi nineteen kills. Game before that? I went even in lane as WW, ulted Cait every fight, made sure to catch our Draven in my W range, and exhausted Anivia to make sure she didn't burst our carry and to let Diana catch her. It didn't matter because our Diana kept getting caught and dying, forcing us into bad fights or forcing us to give up objectives. Game before that? Stomped lane, stomped teamfights, lost because our carry never, ever grouped to take towers or baron after fights, letting the enemy team slowly catch up, whereupon the duo-queue'd bot lane kept getting caught out because they'd wander off despite my warnings that the enemy team had our jungle warded.

Now? Demoted to silver IV. I'm certainly not blameless, and I know where my errors lie (mostly positioning errors, a few mis-timed flashes, and a lack of wards in the midgame), but I swear if I could clone myself and be my own team I'd be in gold right now. I appreciate the tips that people are giving me, because I know from personal experience that if you never acknowledge your faults you can never improve, but... Ugh. Sometimes your team is too heavy.

Siosilvar

2013-07-24, 12:33 AM

I went even in lane as WW

-insert standard "why would you pick Warwick over literally anybody else" rant here-

Also, I've found that people respond better to pings than chat. Doesn't matter what you're typing, how nice, or if it makes any sense. Ping and go, don't bother chatting.

NineThePuma

2013-07-24, 12:39 AM

Between Muramana, Iceborne Gauntlet, LW, Black Cleaver, frozen heart, blue pot/buff, and other options give Urgot insane DPS as long as he gets a chance to recharge between fights.

Math_Mage

2013-07-24, 01:40 AM

My biggest problem, If I could pinpoint one, is that I cannot get people to listen to me.

<examples of calls>

If I could do that? If I could get people to listen to reason? I'd be miles ahead. As is, right now, instead what I get is people derping and faffing about, wasting the leads I have given them.
You haven't examined your gameplay deeply enough. Bluntly, "My biggest problem is other people not giving my calls the attention they deserve" is not an acknowledgment of your weaknesses. It's not even an acknowledgment that you have weaknesses.

<examples of you doing well>
It didn't matter because our Diana kept getting caught and dying, forcing us into bad fights or forcing us to give up objectives. Game before that? Stomped lane, stomped teamfights, lost because our carry never, ever grouped to take towers or baron after fights, letting the enemy team slowly catch up, whereupon the duo-queue'd bot lane kept getting caught out because they'd wander off despite my warnings that the enemy team had our jungle warded.
I won't make you any guarantees about what happens in any single game, but in most games your enemies are faffing about just as much as your allies. It's just really easy to watch your teammates make mistakes and get punished; harder to notice and exploit your opponents' mistakes. People in Silver are constantly making basic lane-losing, fight-losing, game-losing mistakes. And their Silver opponents are constantly letting those mistakes pass unpunished, because they don't recognize it's a mistake, or they don't know how to punish it, or they can't safely punish without the ward they didn't buy, or whatever. I know it happens in Silver because it still happens in Plat, even if it's less visible to me in Plat.

Point is, however well you think you're doing now, you can be doing much more and winning much harder with some concerted effort on fundamental aspects of gameplay. What aspects? I can't tell you, I haven't observed your play. But you can figure it out for yourself by observing yourself, observing your opponents, observing the pros, and putting the pieces together.

Now? Demoted to silver IV. I'm certainly not blameless, and I know where my errors lie (mostly positioning errors, a few mis-timed flashes, and a lack of wards in the midgame), but I swear if I could clone myself and be my own team I'd be in gold right now. I appreciate the tips that people are giving me, because I know from personal experience that if you never acknowledge your faults you can never improve, but... Ugh. Sometimes your team is too heavy.
I don't know about you, but if I cloned myself I'd have trouble staying in gold, let alone plat. My bot lane is plat (I think), but my mid lane and jungle are gold at best and my top lane is lucky to be silver. That reflects not only my lack of practice in those roles, but also important aspects of general gameplay that are most necessary to those roles. For example, I'm miserable at tracking the enemy jungler's probable location except when he happens to stumble across a ward (heck, half the time I miss junglers that gank through wards)--this is less debilitating in bot lane because ward coverage is better, but it's still a flaw in my gameplay. The same is probably true for you with respect to bot and mid lanes.

Krazzman

2013-07-24, 02:11 AM

Starswords

2013-07-24, 02:19 AM

League of Legends LI: You aren't as good as you think you are

Anarion

2013-07-24, 02:43 AM

I don't know about you, but if I cloned myself I'd have trouble staying in gold, let alone plat. My bot lane is plat (I think), but my mid lane and jungle are gold at best and my top lane is lucky to be silver. That reflects not only my lack of practice in those roles, but also important aspects of general gameplay that are most necessary to those roles. For example, I'm miserable at tracking the enemy jungler's probable location except when he happens to stumble across a ward (heck, half the time I miss junglers that gank through wards)--this is less debilitating in bot lane because ward coverage is better, but it's still a flaw in my gameplay. The same is probably true for you with respect to bot and mid lanes.

On this note, what actually got me competent at top lane was speaking with a Riot employee at PAX East on how to actually play top lane for the better part of 5 minutes (at a time when the average person got 5 seconds with the Riot people). And then going and practicing it.

I actually have no idea who it was, but if Reina happens to know who was running the "Top Lane" section of Riot's booth at PAX East this year on Sunday, give him a hug for me or something.

Anyway my Problems are still fighting while moving,

A clicks instead of right clicks. Also, just timing to a lesser extent. Your attacks refresh at the same speed whether you're moving or stationary, so if you just play a champ long enough to get a feel for when they'll attack, you can move in between with no lost time. I'm still working on that one myself, as it's hard to be perfect with it.

lasthitting

Custom game, no other players, ignore all bots, attempt to get the most last hits you can just fighting minions in a lane for 10 minutes straight. Repeat. If you can do 100 in 10 minutes, you've got it.

WARDING (I have no clue what to do with that and how I should do it, when should I buy them instead of Upgrade X)

You put them in bushes, the river, or other places. Here's a picture of good locations.
http://flatline-lol.net/images/buildpics/ward_map.jpg
You usually want to pick up 1 or 2 every time you go back to buy, no matter what role you're playing in the game. People playing support usually focus heavily on warding. You won't really see much of a difference vs. bots, but the idea is to see where the enemy is all the time so you can keep yourself safe.

and generally deciding what to buy. Do I go for Rabadons or Zhonyas first? Should I pick up something with more MagRes or Armor against X-Champion.
Not counting for stuff like when to leave my lane or when to retreat.

That's just experience. Maybe make a habit of looking up the enemies you fight each game on the LoL Wiki and seeing whether their abilities deal magic damage or physical damage. Once you become familiar with the different champions in the game, you'll know what stats you need.

Krazzman

2013-07-24, 08:22 AM

A clicks instead of right clicks. Also, just timing to a lesser extent. Your attacks refresh at the same speed whether you're moving or stationary, so if you just play a champ long enough to get a feel for when they'll attack, you can move in between with no lost time. I'm still working on that one myself, as it's hard to be perfect with it.

That might work. didn't know there are other buttons than b, qwer and 123456.

Custom game, no other players, ignore all bots, attempt to get the most last hits you can just fighting minions in a lane for 10 minutes straight. Repeat. If you can do 100 in 10 minutes, you've got it.

Do I attack the minions beforehand or do I just wait for the killingblow?
I might be doing that if I get the time on my hands.

You put them in bushes, the river, or other places. Here's a picture of good locations.
http://flatline-lol.net/images/buildpics/ward_map.jpg
You usually want to pick up 1 or 2 every time you go back to buy, no matter what role you're playing in the game. People playing support usually focus heavily on warding. You won't really see much of a difference vs. bots, but the idea is to see where the enemy is all the time so you can keep yourself safe.

That wasn't quite what I thought of it but I'll try to say it differently. Should I delay a mayor upgrade (Needlessly Large Rod into Rabadons) for wards or should I buy wards. Am I going to try to have a warduptime of 100% or do I try to hold out until I have enough money to buy an upgrade etc.

That's just experience. Maybe make a habit of looking up the enemies you fight each game on the LoL Wiki and seeing whether their abilities deal magic damage or physical damage. Once you become familiar with the different champions in the game, you'll know what stats you need.
The problem I have with most "Guides" is they say you rush to get that item, then that then that and then one or two of these defense items. But this would be a) rather late game, b) without the def I should be a glass cannon and so on.
I remember with WuKong you built Warmogs first then Atmas Impaler, then the other stuff.
Another thing not really addressed is when to go back. Assuming I help with warding the area should I go back when the wards run out and immediatly put them back? Should I try to stand my ground until I have enough money to buy something along the wards and so on...
The first MOBA I played was a Warcraft 3 mod called Heroes War(or Quest?) 7 or something. I know this sounds whiney what I'm writing here. Remember I am a nearly total newbie in these form of games...

efdf

2013-07-24, 08:33 AM

I'm certainly not blameless, and I know where my errors lie (mostly positioning errors, a few mis-timed flashes, and a lack of wards in the mid-game)

You make those mistakes, but trying to fix them isn't how you'll improve rapidly in my opinion.

How do you improve positioning errors and mistimed flashes? You recognize when you make them and try not to repeat your mistake. The problem is that you have to recognize when you make them. Essentially, you can only improve to the best of your knowledge. Improving positioning errors and mistimed flashes then simply boils down to pushing your buttons and moving your mouse more accurately to do what you already know. This happens simply from playing the game, and it's a cop-out if you're trying to rapidly improve.

A lack of wards in the mid-game: The amount of wards you should have is very subjective. Whereabouts of the enemy team in solo queue is very predictable and with a Sightstone giving 3 free wards buying a lot of wards on top of that can be a waste of gold.

Everyone makes those mistakes to a certain extent. The important part of silver is this quote:
People in Silver are constantly making basic lane-losing, fight-losing, game-losing mistakes. As a result, what's actually keeping you in silver is your failure to take free wins when they're gifted to you by the enemy team.

And in my experience, what fixes this fundamental problem is to become the feeder that you're always raging about, at least temporarily. Engage when you think it's risky, start fights you're not sure you can win, all-in whenever you can. Jump on any hint of an advantage. Sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't, but no matter what you'll make finer and finer distinctions between what is an advantageous situation and what is a losing one. Soon the mistakes of the enemy will be immediately obvious and most importantly you'll have the confidence to abuse it.

Olinser

2013-07-24, 08:40 AM

Played again with annie yesterday. Again Bots to get a better feel for basics.

Tried to enable my Nidalee to kills. Didn't quite work as planned. As in yes she got 3 kills from me. But sometimes I just bursted through the enemy.

Anyway my Problems are still fighting while moving, lasthitting, WARDING (I have no clue what to do with that and how I should do it, when should I buy them instead of Upgrade X) and generally deciding what to buy. Do I go for Rabadons or Zhonyas first? Should I pick up something with more MagRes or Armor against X-Champion.
Not counting for stuff like when to leave my lane or when to retreat.

Against Bots this still works rather well. But against Humans I doubt it.

The purpose of warding is to give visibility on approaches to your lane so you don't get ganked. Warding is extremely difficult to pick up against bots because they aren't really smart enough to gank, and are too easy to anticipate. You probably aren't going to really be able to develop effective warding against bots.

Tailoring MR or Armor against a specific champion is not usually a very good idea, because it leaves you behind against anybody OTHER than that champion. Tailor it to their team. If their mid, jungle and top are all AD based champs, it may not be a bad idea to get a little armor. Usually you want some MR or Armor only if it comes with other stats that are useful. As Annie, if you need some armor, Seeker's Armguard is a good example, because it gives both armor and AP. However, if you're in lane against a Brand, for instance, armor doesn't really help you at all, and he's going to have an edge on you.

PersonMan

2013-07-24, 08:47 AM

Luckily for you, though, AP-MR itemization is alright, with Abyssal Sceptre and Athene's Unholy Grail.

AP-Armor itemization is more limited, with Zhonya's Hourglass being the main buy. Frozen fist is...eh, not really AP-Armor.

AP-HP is also good. Haunting Guise and Rylai's being two examples.

It's easy to get quite tanky as a mage.

Olinser

2013-07-24, 08:58 AM

That might work. didn't know there are other buttons than b, qwer and 123456.

Do I attack the minions beforehand or do I just wait for the killingblow?
I might be doing that if I get the time on my hands.

That wasn't quite what I thought of it but I'll try to say it differently. Should I delay a mayor upgrade (Needlessly Large Rod into Rabadons) for wards or should I buy wards. Am I going to try to have a warduptime of 100% or do I try to hold out until I have enough money to buy an upgrade etc.

The problem I have with most "Guides" is they say you rush to get that item, then that then that and then one or two of these defense items. But this would be a) rather late game, b) without the def I should be a glass cannon and so on.
I remember with WuKong you built Warmogs first then Atmas Impaler, then the other stuff.
Another thing not really addressed is when to go back. Assuming I help with warding the area should I go back when the wards run out and immediatly put them back? Should I try to stand my ground until I have enough money to buy something along the wards and so on...
The first MOBA I played was a Warcraft 3 mod called Heroes War(or Quest?) 7 or something. I know this sounds whiney what I'm writing here. Remember I am a nearly total newbie in these form of games...

Guides are suggestions, and you can find at least 5-10 different guides for a single champion, and dozens more if you look for previous patches and seasons.

It basically boils down to your style of play. When I started out, I read a couple different guides, tried a couple, and picked one that fit my style. Once I got used to it, I started experimenting with items on my own.

Are you (these are my personal terms for styles, btw, not anything official):

A) Aggressive pusher, you burn the wave as fast as you can and heavily pressure your opponent to try and drive them out of lane so you can get ahead? You need sustain and damage.

B) Harasser, where you don't necessarily push the wave, but focus on smacking the enemy opponent every time possible to try and force him back? You need sustain.

C) Defensive, you avoid contact with the enemy champ at all costs and focus on hitting bots? You want defenses and utility.

D) Aggressive roamer, where you drive your opponent out of lane so you can gank another lane? Burst damage.

There are other variations, but you get the idea. Basically the only person that can tell you how you play is you.

Me personally, when I play mid Brand or Annie, I play very aggressive harass, where I try to drive my opponent out, then blitz the wave to the tower so it costs him farm. To that end, after basic boots/Doran, the first item I usually buy is Unholy Chalice (or Tear of Goddess), because I value sustain and the ability to constantly hit my opponent with mana hungry abilities. Other people may value early burst, so they rush a Guise, just as an example.

A good place to look up various guides for characters is:

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/annie-guide

There are literally dozens of guides for each champ here. Some are good, some are not, but the only way you'll figure out which ones fit your play is to try them.

Ashen Lilies

2013-07-24, 09:12 AM

PersonMan

2013-07-24, 09:21 AM

Welp. Three days in a row it's official. I'm allowed to win all I want outside of my series, but as soon as I get into that ****, I must always throw the game and lose every time.

I love Ranked. I'm having so much fun.

:sigh:

At least you win enough to get there. I went from Silver III to 2nd place in Silver II, with 61 points, with barely two losses.

Then I proceed to spend two days losing every Ranked game I play. In part it's me (oh snap Lee top I'm not good vs him...better pick Xin Zhao, who I only play in the jungle!) but at least once it was a case where...well, at 15 minutes, I was 3/2/0 and had all of our kills. I won lane but couldn't do more than kill their Ryze or Thresh because the rest of my team collapsed in a fight.

Then I played Singed on TT and felt better.

Q: If a Singed walks past you with his Q active, is he trying to fight or just walk away?
A: I don't know! Flash away!

Best moment of the game was me flinging the enemy Aatrox and then him flashing to the exact spot I flung him from.

TheShrike

2013-07-24, 09:26 AM

And in my experience, what fixes this fundamental problem is to become the feeder that you're always raging about, at least temporarily. Engage when you think it's risky, start fights you're not sure you can win, all-in whenever you can. Jump on any hint of an advantage. Sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't, but no matter what you'll make finer and finer distinctions between what is an advantageous situation and what is a losing one. Soon the mistakes of the enemy will be immediately obvious and most importantly you'll have the confidence to abuse it.

One thing that I do fairly regularly in 1v1s (and sometimes in normals as well) is to just walk up to someone and ult them, or combo them, or hit them a couple times. Often accompanied by a cry of "Damage test!", it's useful to know what you can do to someone at a particular gamestate.

EDIT: I made this post from the last page, then continued reading. I then promptly forgot that this was my post, and was about to respond to it. I am not a clever man.

zabbarot

2013-07-24, 10:13 AM

A lack of wards in the mid-game: The amount of wards you should have is very subjective. Whereabouts of the enemy team in solo queue is very predictable and with a Sightstone giving 3 free wards buying a lot of wards on top of that can be a waste

This. I honestly feel that in lower tiers people are actually hurting themselves with wards. Some people have no sense at all for where an enemy should be. They're completely blind without wards. I feel that in silver and below at least you should be aware of your enemy enough to guess when they'll show up or where they're at. But instead they rely so heavily on the wards that they're screwed without them. /rant

Olinser

2013-07-24, 10:20 AM

This. I honestly feel that in lower tiers people are actually hurting themselves with wards. Some people have no sense at all for where an enemy should be. They're completely blind without wards. I feel that in silver and below at least you should be aware of your enemy enough to guess when they'll show up or where they're at. But instead they rely so heavily on the wards that they're screwed without them. /rant

The problem is that you can't anticipate where somebody is going to be when they have no idea themselves where they are going to be or what they are doing.

I haven't played that many ranked games, but already I've been in a lane where the enemy jungler didn't even try to gank a single lane until level 7, and another where the jungler basically camped outside a lane... and suddenly realized that he was still level 3 when everybody else was level 8 (mainly because he dove at bottom lane and basically got 3 shot by Vayne/Leona).

Higher level junglers and players you can anticipate. If they drive you out of bot lane and hit the river, it's a good bet they're going for either dragon or enemy red/blue. Low level guys? They could be trying to gank top, for all you know.

PersonMan

2013-07-24, 10:22 AM

This. I honestly feel that in lower tiers people are actually hurting themselves with wards. Some people have no sense at all for where an enemy should be. They're completely blind without wards. I feel that in silver and below at least you should be aware of your enemy enough to guess when they'll show up or where they're at. But instead they rely so heavily on the wards that they're screwed without them. /rant

One situation I get into, as a current Silver myself, is that I think 'well, he's probably going over there, which is the most logical and efficient thing to do...but he could just be derping around'. Which has happened quite a few times. I'm top, dominating the enemy laner with a harsh early game bully and they suddenly rush me. I immediately think Oh s***, their jungler's coming through the lane! and pull back, to fight him while being able to escape or just pulling back.

Half the time there is no gank, the laner just suddenly decides to fight me for no reason I could see.

It's sort of like how, if you lead skillshots, you might fail utterly when playing against really really terrible or really really new people because they don't dodge, so instead of hitting your attack just flies past them because they stood still rather than trying to dodge.

Of course, this is only the time in which I'm aware of the enemy movements. I'm often not as aware as I should be and do a lot of over-analysis and end up making myself entirely unsure as to where the enemy could be. The "it's an obvious gank...or is it a fake totally obvious gank so the next obvious gank isn't obvious? Or maybe he's just stupid?" issue.

TheShrike

2013-07-24, 10:27 AM

Again, spectating games (with FoW on, of course) has actually taught me quite a bit about map awareness. There are quite a few times I've noticed that ok, Udyr is walking into the jungle there and you know his red and wraiths aren't up, and oh look the three that were mid are now only one, and you have a ward above them so they're probably ganking bottom lane as 3. Yep, there they are, killing you. Oh well.

zabbarot

2013-07-24, 10:42 AM

To Olinser: Most of us have been that miserably lost jungler at some point, whether it was just a rough start, or you really didn't know what to do. You just have to keep in mind that that person is doing the best they can with the knowledge they have of the situation. It really isn't about knowing exactly when they'll show up, just when you should be ready for it. So you have a rough idea of when it's safe to overextend a little and when it isn't. Like when you see the jungler ganking top, and mid lane is keeping pressure on, you know that you can push bot lane a bit without too much threat.

The problem I see is when the jungler just ganked mid and disappeared headed your way and you completely overextend anyways. Regardless of if you have a ward, he's headed your way. Maybe he's just getting a buff, but if you're overextended that'll probably change his mind. Most of us understand the drive to get those tasty kills, so we should expect the people we're playing against to do what we would in the situation, give or take.

To Personman: After the game is a bit in you should start to get a feel for when another player is skillwise. Remember they're trying to get a read on you as well. And you can use that to your advantage. Sometimes when I play Singed I start out making really dumb, aggressive moves and just generally trying to look like I'm only surviving on luck, just so I can trick people into chasing me :P I guess you could just consider it more advanced baiting.

But in general yeah, that what wards are really for. So you can see enemy movements and try to figure out how they play. Not to magically shield you from ganks, like some people seem to think.

Godskook

2013-07-24, 11:04 AM

Me personally, when I play mid Brand or Annie, I play very aggressive harass, where I try to drive my opponent out, then blitz the wave to the tower so it costs him farm. To that end, after basic boots/Doran, the first item I usually buy is Unholy Chalice (or Tear of Goddess), because I value sustain and the ability to constantly hit my opponent with mana hungry abilities. Other people may value early burst, so they rush a Guise, just as an example.

I've been playing some Annie lately and I find that double dorans is all I need for laning, thanks to Q's mana refund and the overall efficiency of 1-shotting caster minions with W.

A good place to look up various guides for characters is:

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/annie-guide

There are literally dozens of guides for each champ here. Some are good, some are not, but the only way you'll figure out which ones fit your play is to try them.

This is a good place to look up guides. (http://www.solomid.net/guides.php) Mobafire, imho, is not. The difference? On Mobafire, they sort primarily by popularity and make no effort to prominently display guides by good players(Read: Diamond). On solomid, guides by Diamond players are shown first in the individual champion sections with obvious red tags that say FEATURED to let people know these guides are particularly useful to read. Below them are the green tagged APPROVED guides which are also quality controlled.

TheShrike

2013-07-24, 11:07 AM

PersonMan

2013-07-24, 11:50 AM

To Personman: After the game is a bit in you should start to get a feel for when another player is skillwise. Remember they're trying to get a read on you as well. And you can use that to your advantage.

Yeah, in an unintentional version of this I actually often end up doing stupid things in early laning ('herp derp, enemy AD caster just used all his spells, better move back and farm'; 'Shen has no energy, but I just took damage, better pull back to regen') only to fully realize what I'm doing and start doing better. Which is, I imagine, rather jarring when the laner you know to make a certain mistake suddenly stops and bullies you when you make a simple mistake that they never punished you for before then.

But in general yeah, that what wards are really for. So you can see enemy movements and try to figure out how they play. Not to magically shield you from ganks, like some people seem to think.

Aye. Every now and then I end up engrossed in my lane and it takes a watchful jungler retreat-pinging for me to realize that my ward is displaying an incoming gank.

It's also incredible how much of a difference one river ward between top and mid makes, in showing enemy jungle/mid/top movements. Being able to say "aha, enemy top is going mid, time to bash his tower down for leaving it" rather than "where did he go? Better pull back, could be a gank" is a wonderful thing.

Math_Mage

2013-07-24, 12:37 PM

Of course, last time I saw someone follow a guide for a champion, he completely lost because of it. Of course, it was TFT in top lane, so it was probably his fault somehow anyway. :smalltongue:
he's almost as good at top lane as he is at trampoline dodgeball

EDIT: So the LoL client is totally the best guys. (http://imgur.com/qLf85aa)
Yeah, that one threw me for a loop when I found it. But in practice it's so irrelevant that it's hardly worth fixing.

toasty

2013-07-24, 12:43 PM

Anarion

2013-07-24, 12:58 PM

PersonMan

2013-07-24, 01:07 PM

Regarding skill shots, I find that my games follow something of a pattern. Early on there is a chance to hit several of them. Then there's a lull when the opponent figures out where it's safe to stand (if I'm winning hard, the only answer is "outside of XP range"). Then you hit team fight phase and the issue is either initiating or hitting the correct target, depending on the skill shot.

In my experience, it's:

-In lane, opponent gets better at dodging skillshots over time
-Later, they still avoid them in laning-esque scenarios but their teammates often suck at it because they haven't been honing their dodging

Anarion

2013-07-24, 02:02 PM

In my experience, it's:

-In lane, opponent gets better at dodging skillshots over time
-Later, they still avoid them in laning-esque scenarios but their teammates often suck at it because they haven't been honing their dodging

Oh yeah that happens in siege situations. The guy you've been laning against all game is dodging like mad while his teammates stand in front of the tower and eat the skillshots.

TechnOkami

2013-07-24, 02:04 PM

Welp. Three days in a row it's official. I'm allowed to win all I want outside of my series, but as soon as I get into that ****, I must always throw the game and lose every time.

I love Ranked. I'm having so much fun.

:sigh:

This, my friend, is one of many reasons as to why I'm hardly doing Ranked as it is. Combined with a general lack of motivation + non-desire to deal with 95% of the Ranked community, Ranked is most likely not going to happen with me any time soon (and yes, I know I'm a part of this Ranked Contest-thing, my stance on Ranked Games hasn't changed).

Of course, last time I saw someone follow a guide for a champion, he completely lost because of it. Of course, it was TFT in top lane, so it was probably his fault somehow anyway. :smalltongue:

EDIT: So the LoL client is totally the best guys. (http://imgur.com/qLf85aa)

Win. So much win.

TFT

2013-07-24, 02:53 PM

@Mathmage, Shush you, I was top 3 trampoline dodgeball @ Sky High :smalltongue:

But yea, I did use an outdated guide for singed and ended up losing because of it, so even if you are using a guide you should re evaluate it or check back up every once in a while because of how the game changes(I.E. Use your brain for 2 seconds and realize rylais might be good against a melee champ :smallredface: ). But if you are looking for a starting point for a champion, using a guide isn't that bad of a way to go.

Grytorm

2013-07-24, 04:52 PM

Does anybody ever get the impression that at lower levels taking towers wins games? Whenever I lose and we were pretty far ahead it seems that despite getting multiple early kills we can't push back from our jungle and we eventually lose the game.

dgnslyr

2013-07-24, 04:53 PM

Taking towers wins games at all levels. You have to take towers in order to smack the nexus. Everything else is just setup for tower-taking.

Siosilvar

2013-07-24, 04:54 PM

Taking towers always* wins games unless your lane opponent scales hard off of farm and/or you don't ward enough.

*almost always

Renegade Paladin

2013-07-24, 04:55 PM

So this is awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjJUJUNohuA) :smallbiggrin:

TechnOkami

2013-07-24, 05:05 PM

@Mathmage, Shush you, I was top 3 trampoline dodgeball @ Sky High :smalltongue:

A.) We should totally hang out again.

B.) I defeated TFT with a Cardboard Box.

Maryring

2013-07-24, 05:39 PM

What are we voting for?

4th of July/Canada day art contest.

McDouggal

2013-07-24, 06:15 PM

Welp. Three days in a row it's official. I'm allowed to win all I want outside of my series, but as soon as I get into that ****, I must always throw the game and lose every time.

I love Ranked. I'm having so much fun.

:sigh:
Welcome to my world. I've gone into series having won 5 in a row, and I ALWAYS stink up the first game in the series.

Antonok

2013-07-24, 06:31 PM

This was a game I just played. Don't quite know what to make of it. (Arkavix is my alt account since the recent connection issues got my main a temp ban)

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g430/Antonok/Okthen_zps818a2c09.jpg (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/Antonok/media/Okthen_zps818a2c09.jpg.html)

And that game was WAY too close.

Cogwheel

2013-07-24, 06:40 PM

Looks like snowballing Yi to me. Not too unusual.

Well done, though.

Math_Mage

2013-07-24, 06:54 PM

Looks like snowballing Yi to me. Not too unusual.

Well done, though.

Teammates going 5/43 in a beginner bot game isn't something you see every day, though. We kinda forget that there are people who play the game that poorly. :smalltongue:

Siosilvar

2013-07-24, 07:23 PM

This was a game I just played. Don't quite know what to make of it. (Arkavix is my alt account since the recent connection issues got my main a temp ban)

AD Yi 1v9ing beginner bots? Pretty typical... :smallamused:

Antonok

2013-07-24, 07:41 PM

AD Yi 1v9ing beginner bots? Pretty typical... :smallamused:

First carry game I've had (first like that period). And even with Yi I don't know how I managed it with how bad my teammates were doing.

The end of it was they were attacking our Nexus when I spawned, killed all 5 of em, then ran mid down mid as fast as I could and took out the last 2 turrets and their nexus before the bots spawned again.

Happy Gravity

2013-07-24, 07:52 PM

Wow, I haven't posted in this thread yet.

Boop. There we go.

Siosilvar

2013-07-24, 08:30 PM

First carry game I've had (first like that period). And even with Yi I don't know how I managed it with how bad my teammates were doing.

The end of it was they were attacking our Nexus when I spawned, killed all 5 of em, then ran mid down mid as fast as I could and took out the last 2 turrets and their nexus before the bots spawned again.

Sofa and I were actually discussing this today. Basically, no matter how much CC the bots have or how ahead they get, they're really bad at dealing with melee carries - they drop all their CC at max range and you just ignore it then crush them with absolutely silly DPS because they don't build Frozen Heart except for like Leona and Malphite.

Eldariel

2013-07-24, 08:30 PM

Siosilvar

2013-07-24, 09:28 PM

I do hope you were yelling/spamming "Yiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyi!" with random "Yiip! Yiip" while running down the lane?

???

Yo skills are inferia

toasty

2013-07-24, 09:54 PM

I do hope you were yelling/spamming "Yiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyi!" with random "Yiip! Yiip" while running down the lane?

Yeah, no. Just spam laugh and taunt. That's what Zach does, and he's the best Yi player I know.

Antonok

2013-07-24, 10:29 PM

I do hope you were yelling/spamming "Yiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyi!" with random "Yiip! Yiip" while running down the lane?

No, but I'm fairly certain my neighbors think I have mental issues from yelling 'DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE' there at the end.

McDouggal

2013-07-24, 11:57 PM

That moment when you make the game-losing call and know that you're going to feel crappy for the rest of the night.

Recaiden

2013-07-25, 12:01 AM

Welcome to my world. I've gone into series having won 5 in a row, and I ALWAYS stink up the first game in the series.

I'm about to start a promotion series. This does not give me much hope.

ex cathedra

2013-07-25, 12:11 AM

I'm about to start a promotion series. This does not give me much hope.

don't suck and you'll be fine

Thomas Cardew

2013-07-25, 01:13 AM

Hawkfrost000

2013-07-25, 02:19 AM

NineThePuma

2013-07-25, 02:24 AM

You didn't get caught any more than I did. What kind of assassin can't murder someone's face? =\

Anarion

2013-07-25, 02:38 AM

@Godskook, Anarion, and Hawkfrost

I'd love any feedback you guys have after that game we just played, I'm still learning thresh so anything would be helpful.

And yes, the obvious one is don't get caught warding. And more specifically, don't go ward that far in at blue when you don't know if river is warded...

EDIT:

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Equally comparable is the feeling you get when you are the one who gets picked. EVERY. SINGLE. FIGHT.

Few random thoughts. For teamfighting, hook into box in the middle of their team wins a teamfight. We were in a good spot with Kook destroying all the things, but good Thresh teamfight with constant disruption is always good to work on.

In lane, try and be conscious of the position of the creeps. One thing to consider is that if I'm coming in as Elise, if I'm on the left of the creep line, you should usually be on the right. We both have line stuns blocked by minions, so if we're on both sides of the line, their movement options are much more limited.

Krazzman

2013-07-25, 04:57 AM

About Guides:
Someone told me to stay clear from mobafire and use Solomid instead.

played yesterday against bots with an ending score of 22/0/14 (or mabe 16)

Chogath was the only bot not totally obliberated by me... and I still could burst him down. Using the Cone of Fire for the stun to stun 3 champions at once was hilarious. Then Tibbering them into nirvana. But after having Sorcs, Rabadons, Zhonyas and Deathfire Grasp they couldn't really do something against me as they died sooner than I.

Now I know how it feels to be fed.

But I am thinking again to switch out champs. I still haven't posted the list...

About what I like to do/how I want to play:
Aggressively attacking the enemy champ and killing minions to force them out of lane.

Against bots with annie this sort of works as I just q and e them (and e most of the times kills the minions of the wave too). But lasthitting is still a bit clunky. sometimes the little fireball she throws needs too long to reach the minion or just doesn't kill them and the kill is "wasted".

PersonMan

2013-07-25, 06:18 AM

About what I like to do/how I want to play:
Aggressively attacking the enemy champ and killing minions to force them out of lane.

In this case, you'll probably enjoy playing lane bullies. Champs with a lot of early (early as in starting at level 1) damage who can zone an enemy away from minions.

Some examples are Darius, Garen and Rumble.

McDouggal

2013-07-25, 06:37 AM

don't suck and you'll be fine

:smallannoyed: Aether, statements like this are why I find you abrasive and hard to get along with.

EDIT: Recaiden was responding to my post about my luck with promotion series. I know that I suck at this game, I don't need it pointed out that bluntly when I'm not asking for it.

Eldariel

2013-07-25, 07:16 AM

???

Yo skills are inferia

That works when you're killing the enemy team (or in general, killing anything). In this case he was being the Roadrunner tho.

Krazzman

2013-07-25, 08:14 AM

In this case, you'll probably enjoy playing lane bullies. Champs with a lot of early (early as in starting at level 1) damage who can zone an enemy away from minions.

Some examples are Darius, Garen and Rumble.

I know I have Garen of those 3. About Rumble I am unsure.

I have 888 IP and no RP.

What about Malphite? Dr Mundo? Alistar? Or even Range-Champions? Maybe even Yi?

I have:
Alistar, Anivia, Annie, Ashe, Blitzcrank, Corki, Dr Mundo, Gankplank, Garen, Heimerdinger, Jax, Karthus, Kassadin, Katarina, Kayle, Malphite, Master Yi, Nunu, Poppy, Ryze, Shaco, Singed, Sion, Sivir, Soraka, Taric, Teemo, Tristana, Twisted Fate, Twitch and Warwick.

PhoeKun

2013-07-25, 10:02 AM

:smallannoyed: Aether, statements like this are why I find you abrasive and hard to get along with.

EDIT: Recaiden was responding to my post about my luck with promotion series. I know that I suck at this game, I don't need it pointed out that bluntly when I'm not asking for it.

Well, don't suck and it won't get pointed out to you. :smalltongue:

Really though, promotion series are the exact same song and dance as the games you played to qualify for them. If you make it there and lose it's exactly the same as not winning enough games to make it there in the first place, and too many posts that deify the Promotion Series as some sort of great and impossible thing do your peers a disservice. What constructive advice is there to offer? Don't lose the game.

Godskook

2013-07-25, 10:13 AM

@Godskook, Anarion, and Hawkfrost

I'd love any feedback you guys have after that game we just played, I'm still learning thresh so anything would be helpful.

And yes, the obvious one is don't get caught warding. And more specifically, don't go ward that far in at blue when you don't know if river is warded..

I...honestly didn't notice you much that game which was equal parts lane assignment(top and support respectively), and myself getting so fed that I as afforded the luxury of buying only 2 defense items on Udyr while still being unkillable.

The only moment I really do remember is once where I tower dove and after the kill, there was a lantern there to 'save' me from tower aggro and I was like "nice timing, but nah, I'm good".

Thomas Cardew

2013-07-25, 11:12 AM

My only thought would be to throw more hooks. It wasnt too much of an issue because it was the passiveist... lane ever. The hooks you did land were good, but i felt there could have been more.
Should be 'most passive' :P

Fair enough, there were probably a lot more I could have landed. We were just so pushed for the first ~8?min. (I put the first ward out at 3 min and rengar didn't gank till the 2nd or 3rd ward.) That I didn't think I could land a hook and follow up on it without getting pulled under tower.

Few random thoughts. For teamfighting, hook into box in the middle of their team wins a teamfight.
...
In lane, try and be conscious of the position of the creeps. One thing to consider is that if I'm coming in as Elise, if I'm on the left of the creep line, you should usually be on the right. We both have line stuns blocked by minions, so if we're on both sides of the line, their movement options are much more limited.

Thank you on the creep thing, I never consciously recognized that. Having it said out loud will make me remember it.

I did get a few hook>box>Where Did Everyone Go? But my positioning was off a few times as I was coming back from warding, so I had to burn my ult early which kept karma/varus out of the fights and meant you guys had a chance to burn through someone 3v2 or 4v2 while they went around or through it. I know it is not the ideal use, but it seemed to work.

I...honestly didn't notice you much that game which was equal parts lane assignment(top and support respectively), and myself getting so fed that I as afforded the luxury of buying only 2 defense items on Udyr while still being unkillable.

The only moment I really do remember is once where I tower dove and after the kill, there was a lantern there to 'save' me from tower aggro and I was like "nice timing, but nah, I'm good".

Fair enough, WP by the way. I saw you dive under the tower and knew that 1-2 of them were coming up in the next few seconds. Didn't know if they had enough gold to buy homeguard and be out there to kill you, so I threw the lantern just in case.

Thanks for the feedback guys.:smallbiggrin:

Ashen Lilies

2013-07-25, 12:14 PM

Trying to defend your nexus turrets from three waves of superminions as 350 armor Jungle Trundle* (they had an all AD team) is simultaneousy the funniest and most excruciating thing I've done all day. Just... a giant ice troll in the middle of his base, surrounded by a dozen supers and scores of minions, unable to move, taking no damage whatsoever while trying to slowly club them to death one by one.

* Golem/Tabis/Randuins/IBG/Thornmail/BoRK. Was working on replacing Golem with Sunfire, but we won the game before that happened. Their entire team coudn't keep me off of Draven, and while they were throwing everything they had at me trying to do so, Brand and Vayne were sweeping up from behind. Fun times.

TheGeckoKing

2013-07-25, 12:35 PM

LordShotGun

2013-07-25, 12:43 PM

Good: I've got my account back! Hurrah!

Bad: All my IP is gone, and I now own a bunch of 450IP champions i'll probably never use, rather than the champion that I wanted to buy with my saved up IP in the first place (Shen). :smallannoyed:

Confused: How in the hell do I lay ADC properly? I can play Top, Jungle and Mid Lane alright, and I can just about play Support as long as the ADC I'm with isn't dragging me down, but I absolutely suck at ADC in particular, no matter what ADC champ I play.

I thought the same thing about alot of low IP champs when I was first starting but eventually I learned that riot is pretty damn good at balancing (considering they have over 100 champs) and that you should give each champion at least 2 games before passing judgement. Or just play some ARAM and you will be FORCED to learn new champs.

Sallera

2013-07-25, 12:46 PM

Coming from someone who was in more or less the same position (and probably still is, despite recent successes)? Positioning is the hardest thing to get right, so pay as much attention to it as you can. Every time you get caught, go over the situation in your head and figure out what you did wrong. The mindset difference between a tanky top or jungle and an ADC is one of the biggest issues I've had, myself.

Secondary to that is figuring out how and when to trade in lane (and being in position to do so is part of this as well). If your support sets you up for a good trade or even a kill, you have to be watching for that and ready to follow up, and also in range to do so.

And of course, CSing without tunnel-visioning onto the minions, but that goes for top and mid as well, so I figure you've got that covered.

ex cathedra

2013-07-25, 12:51 PM

:smallannoyed: Aether, statements like this are why I find you abrasive and hard to get along with.

EDIT: Recaiden was responding to my post about my luck with promotion series. I know that I suck at this game, I don't need it pointed out that bluntly when I'm not asking for it.

yeah, i wasn't referring to you at all. you weren't even remotely related to what i was trying to say. i was just giving advice. people get nervous and anxious over completely stupid and meaningless **** like promo series. there's no reason to be affected by that nonsense. just be confident (i.e. believe that you don't suck) and go into games with the same "i'm gonna crush nerds" outlook as always. it's pretty basic.

Olinser

2013-07-25, 12:54 PM

I thought the same thing about alot of low IP champs when I was first starting but eventually I learned that riot is pretty damn good at balancing (considering they have over 100 champs) and that you should give each champion at least 2 games before passing judgement. Or just play some ARAM and you will be FORCED to learn new champs.

Agreed. Ryze is a 450 IP champion and he regularly appears in high level matches.

Nunu is a 450 IP champion and he's extremely effective after his rebalance, to the point I see him banned quite a bit now.

Permabanlisted Blitzcrank is only 3150.

Generally the champion costs are associated with how difficult they are to learn and play.

Qwertystop

2013-07-25, 12:59 PM

Agreed. Ryze is a 450 IP champion and he regularly appears in high level matches.

Nunu is a 450 IP champion and he's extremely effective after his rebalance, to the point I see him banned quite a bit now.

Permabanlisted Blitzcrank is only 3150.

Generally the champion costs are associated with how difficult they are to learn and play.

Earlier ones are, anyway. More recently it's just been "new champions are 6300, occasionally they drop a couple of prices by a bracket."

NineThePuma

2013-07-25, 01:36 PM

don't suck and you'll be fine

yeah, i wasn't referring to you at all. you weren't even remotely related to what i was trying to say. i was just giving advice. people get nervous and anxious over completely stupid and meaningless **** like promo series. there's no reason to be affected by that nonsense. just be confident (i.e. believe that you don't suck) and go into games with the same "i'm gonna crush nerds" outlook as always. it's pretty basic.
To be fair to McDougal, I feel much the same way about you and your explanation for what you meant vs what you said makes sense and is good advice, but it is very hard to see the former as the latter. The latter implies that by not getting promoted he therefore sucks. Which can lead into a feedback loop where he thinks he sucks and is not confident in getting promoted, which causes him to not get promoted which reinforces the fact that he sucks.

The explanation is good advice, though. You just need to work on the delivery.

In other news:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r44/Chimeraman2/Mao_zps200fa8e6.png

I snapped when I went to my red only to find it missing. In a fit of rage I ran to Nocturne's red, smote it out from under him, and then brutally murdered his face. Suffice to say that it was first blood and I bullied him for much of the remainder of the game.

Math_Mage

2013-07-25, 01:39 PM

Good: I've got my account back! Hurrah!

Bad: All my IP is gone, and I now own a bunch of 450IP champions i'll probably never use, rather than the champion that I wanted to buy with my saved up IP in the first place (Shen). :smallannoyed:

Confused: How in the hell do I lay ADC properly? I can play Top, Jungle and Mid Lane alright, and I can just about play Support as long as the ADC I'm with isn't dragging me down, but I absolutely suck at ADC in particular, no matter what ADC champ I play.
1. farm
2. In a fight, move to safe positions and attack as much as possible without getting attacked back.
3. farmfarmfarm
4. Work with your support for MAXIMUM LANE POWAH
5. FARMFARMFARM

Earlier ones are, anyway. More recently it's just been "new champions are 6300, occasionally they drop a couple of prices by a bracket."
To elaborate, they systematized price drops this year--a 6300 drops to 4800 once a month, and sometimes a lower-priced champ also has its price dropped.

Godskook

2013-07-25, 01:52 PM

yeah, i wasn't referring to you at all. you weren't even remotely related to what i was trying to say. i was just giving advice. people get nervous and anxious over completely stupid and meaningless **** like promo series. there's no reason to be affected by that nonsense. just be confident (i.e. believe that you don't suck) and go into games with the same "i'm gonna crush nerds" outlook as always. it's pretty basic.

1.It really irritates me in a general sense that you use the term "nerds" as a derogatory term. You're a nerd, Aether, so is everyone else here, and that's the general reason we all want to hang out together on this thread, and there is nothing wrong with that.

2.Your point would've been better served with saying "Just treat it like any other game and you'll be fine", which strikes at the same underlying point of "promotion series are meaningless" without striking a negative tone.

3.Often times, Aether, you speak of results as if they're actions. "Sucking" isn't an action, its a result, and no matter how hard McDougal, you or myself tries, "not sucking" isn't an obvious thing to do. There's lots of advice to be had concerning our actions(don't facecheck, ward, back when you're low, etc), but the value of the advice comes from identifying the actions involved, not the results.

To elaborate, they systematized price drops this year--a 6300 drops to 4800 once a month, and sometimes a lower-priced champ also has its price dropped.

To get technical (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-pricing-timing-changes), only 7800s drop to 6300 after a week, but all other price drops are tied to champion release, not elapsed time. Expected average was once every 3-4 weeks, but champion release has been *REALLY* slow this year, at an average of only once every 5 weeks.

TheGeckoKing

2013-07-25, 01:55 PM

1. farm
2. In a fight, move to safe positions and attack as much as possible without getting attacked back.
3. farmfarmfarm
4. Work with your support for MAXIMUM LANE POWAH
5. FARMFARMFARM

Thanks, but it seems I've wasted everyone's time (especially my own) - only 5 minutes after I got my account back, someone in a different location logged back on, forced me off the account and changed the password again. As far as I'm concerned, I'm probably just going to have to write off the entire account for good.

tyckspoon

2013-07-25, 01:56 PM

Confused: How in the hell do I lay ADC properly? I can play Top, Jungle and Mid Lane alright, and I can just about play Support as long as the ADC I'm with isn't dragging me down, but I absolutely suck at ADC in particular, no matter what ADC champ I play.

What part of play are you doing worst with? The main thing I've been told to do differently when playing ADC is how you operate in a teamfight; specifically, your main concern is keeping yourself alive. You do not want to kill any particular target, that's the job of your assassins/bruisers. You don't put yourself forward to hit a target of choice. You just concentrate on finding a safe place to be and shooting anybody who you can hit from that safe spot. That might involve you 'focusing the tank'. That's *ok*, because if you have halfway appropriate items for that stage of the game then you, as ADC, are the best equipped to cut down that tank anyway.. the thing is, when that tank gets low and wants to withdraw, you have to remember to let him. Because trying to chase him down is probably going to lead you into a dangerous spot, and you probably don't have the survivability or escape tools to do that.

Math_Mage

2013-07-25, 02:13 PM

TheShrike

2013-07-25, 02:21 PM

Eldariel

2013-07-25, 02:39 PM

Joran

2013-07-25, 02:39 PM

Make sure there's no keylogger on your computer. Format and reinstall if you have to. Then change your password, as well as the password of your E-Mail into some breakproof (or rather "too laborous to break") password and go from there.

If your email is Gmail and you have a smart phone, I'd highly recommend enabling Google Authenticator.

Anarion

2013-07-25, 03:21 PM

1. farm
2. In a fight, move to safe positions and attack as much as possible without getting attacked back.
3. farmfarmfarm
4. Work with your support for MAXIMUM LANE POWAH
5. FARMFARMFARM

To elaborate, they systematized price drops this year--a 6300 drops to 4800 once a month, and sometimes a lower-priced champ also has its price dropped.

While Math_Mage is doling out advice, I have a question about what a safe position is if an assassin gets fed in another lane. The example I'm thinking of was me playing Vayne in a normal and our top lane losing really hard to a Zed, who ended up with Bork, LW, and cleaver finished by mid-game. The only "safe" position was fleeing the fight entirely to stay away from him, but even if he chased me, my team was getting annihilated in the ensuing 4v4.

Siosilvar

2013-07-25, 03:24 PM

Confused: How in the hell do I lay ADC properly? I can play Top, Jungle and Mid Lane alright, and I can just about play Support as long as the ADC I'm with isn't dragging me down, but I absolutely suck at ADC in particular, no matter what ADC champ I play.

Laning is pretty much the same as mid (last-hitting, lots of harassing - very little straight clearing waves, though), though your support will probably be deciding when to go in - be ready to back them up.

In fights, stay as far away from dying as possible, even if that involves not auto-attacking anything and hiding from gapclosers. If it's safe enough (which is usually "only one person is trying to dive on me"), autoattack the closest enemy champion from maximum range; it doesn't matter who it is (if there are two equidistant, pick the squishiest one that can get to you and/or is destroying your team). If anybody complains about you focusing the tank, ignore them. You have the damage output to kill anything, especially with the traditional IE/BT + PD + LW build, and anything has the damage output to kill you, even the tank.

As Tyck said, your objective is not to kill priority targets, your objective is to stay alive to output ridiculous DPS in teamfights (possible exceptions: specific Twitch/Vayne/Quinn builds). Outside of fights your objective is to get money so that your ridiculous DPS is even higher and/or you stay alive longer to deliver it - splitpushing (with wards, only with wards, and only if you can actually escape), pressuring towers/dragon/baron, clearing jungle camps when the jungler is a lane or two away doing something else.

While Math_Mage is doling out advice, I have a question about what a safe position is if an assassin gets fed in another lane. The example I'm thinking of was me playing Vayne in a normal and our top lane losing really hard to a Zed, who ended up with Bork, LW, and cleaver finished by mid-game. The only "safe" position was fleeing the fight entirely to stay away from him, but even if he chased me, my team was getting annihilated in the ensuing 4v4.

Build Guardian Angel early if an assassin gets fed, hope your team can kill them before they can kill you twice. Zhonya's works too but will probably get you raged at even if you have decent AP scaling.

TheShrike

2013-07-25, 03:35 PM

So that's two games in a row I've gone up against per-30 spin2wins as Trynd. They ended roughly as you'd expect.

Olinser

2013-07-25, 03:51 PM

Thanks, but it seems I've wasted everyone's time (especially my own) - only 5 minutes after I got my account back, someone in a different location logged back on, forced me off the account and changed the password again. As far as I'm concerned, I'm probably just going to have to write off the entire account for good.

You are almost certainly keylogged. This is a specific kind of hack program that records all key entries on your computer.

I would HIGHLY advise you get rid of it fast, because if you do any kind of online banking or accounting, it can compromise those accounts as well, and obviously that has a lot more impact than a LoL account.

If you're not sure how to clear it yourself (and no, an antivirus scan will almost certainly NOT fix it), I would advise paying a computer tech to do it for you. Most stores like Staples, Best Buy, or local shops will do it for $50-$200.

Until then, keyloggers generally can't read copy/paste commands. Copy/Paste individual letters off a website or other file into a word file to make up your new password, and copy/paste that into the LoL client. That should secure your account until you get rid of the keylogger.