How the HECK did Elan's Mother and Father get together?

[krossbow]

Got to wonder on this; how did those two get together long enough to have kids is a small wonder next to how they got MARRIED. A small fling is somewhat explainable, but getting wed and living together is strange.



I'd love to see those two (if they're both still around) end up being in the same strip at one point just to hear the conversations. How do you guys think it happened?

[The_Cowinator]

Can I add one?

They were both once neutral, and were influenced by opposite alignment people.

[IronSoldier820]

Elan's Mother fell in love with Nale's Father, Elan's mother was obviously a bard. You could hear her singing the songs in the short clip that they showed her. Bards tend to go around with legends and write their tales, bards are the ultimate henchmen.

In the panel, we saw that the Father was always away at war while the Mother was at home in the village. She probably didn't get to know him well before he left, but you must realize that matches like this happen all the time in lust. Elan's mother was Chaotic Good and the father Lawful Evil, its not like Lawful Good and Chaotic Evil.

[Guildorn Tanaleth]

It was the usual love story: love at first sight, passionate romantic fling, joyful wedding day, then 5 minutes later, KSNAM! -- Reality hit. If it weren't for lawyers, those two would still be living together, bickering about his pillaging success versus the price of horse oats.

Let's all take a moment to be grateful for lawyers.

[mikeejimbo]

Ah, but it must have been at least long enough to birth twins. who grew old enough to hit eat other.

[GSFB]

Opposites attract. It was fate. Just as it was fate that brought Elan and Nale back together.

Stranger things have happened. Look at James Carville and Mary Matalin (actually, don't look - they are scary to look at).

[krossbow]

I'm thinking the Two were the common cliche of "Two who bicker alot, but actually like one another". After all, he divorced her, not KILLED her, so it couldn't of been that bad.


Their father was probably like one of the incredibly lovable evil villians, like Xyclon or thog.
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[GSFB]

Maybe they woke up in bed together, totally hung over and unable to remember the last 48 hours, and realized they were in the Honeymoon Suite at the casino hotel... rather than get a quick annulment, they decided to try it out... but instead of true love, they found a lot of stormy passion interrupted by comic incompatibility...

I think we have the makings of a new tv sitcom!

[Angela Christine]

She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.

[Kish]

Shouldn't the poll option be, "Their mother was originally evil and then turned GGGOUUUUUD"?

[Demented]

Nahh.

"Their mother was originally evil and then turned all goody-goody-two-shoes."

And it shoulda been a multiple choice poll.

He was a Lawful Good champion.
She was a Chaotic Evil bardess.
He met her at a bar.
She bought him a drink strong enough to kill three dwarves... in sequence.
And the rest is... Summon Historical Flashback!

[Kelsith]

Well i have to seperate ideas.

1)( only if :elan: and :nale: mother was a bard) She is the sexual opposite of Elan and part of HER job description is she is supposed to suduce evil warlords

2)(if :elan: and :nale: mother was any other class) opposites attract

[Nerd-o-rama]

I voted for the last one. Because it would make an amusing sitcom.

[tmunter]

I guess that Elans/Nales dad met their mom, seduced her with charm person or something, was there for a week or two, fled, called the lawyer, stole Nale from their Mom, and left into the great unknown.

[Amon Star]

Let's all take a moment to be grateful for lawyers.

NEVER! Lawyer are my Favoured Enemy!!! :tongue:


Opposites attract. It was fate. Just as it was fate that brought Elan and Nale back together.

Stranger things have happened. Look at James Carville and Mary Matalin (actually, don't look - they are scary to look at).


She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.

I agree with the above two. Opposites do attract and the mother seems like the sort of person who would try to change her love. Also, if you remember the divorce scene, it was the father that was sueing for divorce.

[CGM3]

Can I add one?

They were both once neutral, and were influenced by opposite alignment people.

So it was those darn door-to-door evangelists who caused all the trouble! Dad was swayed by Evil's Witnesses :smallmad: , while Mom found the Church of Latter-Day Chipperness :smallsmile: appealing.

[Erek Garnsfel]

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!

[Lord of the Helms]

She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.

This one gets my vote :smallsmile:

[Martok]

She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.
What's disturbing is how very plausible this is--although I think that at some point along the way, alcohol had to be involved. :smallwink:

[Hyrael]

This one gets my vote :smallsmile:
same here. sounds very probable.

[Tharj TreeSmiter]

Well she was a waitress serving refreshing adult beverages! :)

[The_Old_Fox]

AH, CG and LE, the classic story of opposites attracting than a year or two later realizing they were opposites

[krossbow]

I could just imagine their father and mother out while on one of his campaigns.


"OOH! Look at that bunny dear! Isn't it SOOO cute?!"

"Honey... I'm an evil overlord. In case you haven't noticed, I'm busy trying to intimidate the peasants with a head on a pike. Thats rather hard to do when your wife is cuddling a rabbit"

[Blood]

Actually, here's my convoluted version of events:

Their father is a dictator, and he meets a very beautiful, practical woman (she is a bard), who he falls in love with quickly and marries. They have the twins, and argue mostly over how to raise them. Then they get divorced, father takes Nale, mother takes Elan.

[Kalbereth]

I could just imagine their father and mother out while on one of his campaigns.


"OOH! Look at that bunny dear! Isn't it SOOO cute?!"

"Honey... I'm an evil overlord. In case you haven't noticed, I'm busy trying to intimidate the peasants with a head on a pike. Thats rather hard to do when your wife is cuddling a rabbit"

That's great.

What if it was mind control? And this whole thing has secretly been plotted out by Xykon for centuries, as he plots his rise to power and eventual taking over of the galax-...erm...world. Yeah.

[TigerHunter]

Lots of beer, Mommy gets pregnant, and they try to stick together for the sake of the kids. Doesn't work.

[TreesOfDeath]

Elan's mother works serving drinks. Elan's mother has given birth to 2 brain dead children. Figure it out

[the_tick_rules]

hmm, maybe she was a lot better lookin when he first meet her.

[Balesirion]

Nobody ever said Elan's mother was a bard. The fact that she sings and is Elan's mother doesn't automatically mean that she's a bard. That being said, I think very wierd circumstances were involved, that probably included beer somehow.

[Grey Knight]

Nobody ever said Elan's mother was a bard. The fact that she sings and is Elan's mother doesn't automatically mean that she's a bard.

It was probably the specific style in which she was singing that influenced that assumption, although that might not mean anything of course.

[CaelCyndar1993]

This is the scenario playing in my head.

Mom: "I'd like two Fire Whiskies please."
Bartender: "Two Fire Whiskies coming right up."
He puts the spices into some whisky and hands one to Elan's mom and one to Elan's dad.

Somewhere else...
"Oh god, where did those material components for my "Luvey Duvey Wuvey" spell go?! All I have right now are some Fire Whisky spices! The components only need to come in contact with two people, and then someone says 'to love' for it to work!"

Mom: "To love!" She drinks. He does too.

One hour later and Elan is on his way.

[Draigo]

Gooooooo beer!

[Amon Star]

Elan's mother works serving drinks. Elan's mother has given birth to 2 brain dead children. Figure it out

She didn't give birth to teo brain dead children. She gave birth to two intelligent children, but one suffered brain damage during infancy. Also, she may only have become a barmaid after getting dump in a small backwater village by her ex.


It was probably the specific style in which she was singing that influenced that assumption, although that might not mean anything of course.

It's her style that has influenced :elen: certainly, but if she actually had Bard levels she wouldn't need to be a barmaid.

[Aurumvorax]

She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.

Nothing to add.

[TreesOfDeath]

Actualyl i have another theory. Maybe it was just lust, or maybe Elan's mom just imagined their was a softer side to Elan's father and he liked her before they drove each other round the bend

[DarkLightDragon]

CG and LE are opposed alignments, so there must've been something weird going on. It's possible that it involved beer, but I don't think so.

[krossbow]

I really want to see these two in the same comic at some point. It'd make for some really good jokes and plot exposition.
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[Yzorth]

You forgot an option...

Plot device. Rich just used it for story purposes, and it has no real reason.

[Amon Star]

CG and LE are opposed alignments, so there must've been something weird going on. It's possible that it involved beer, but I don't think so.

Not everything is about alignment and opposites are ment to attract.

[BardicLasher]

How about this? She's an all around sweet lady, and he liked having someone sweet to come home to after a hard day of killing things. She didn't ask much about his work, so they had an excellent home life. He was a bit stricter than her at home, but the good-evil axis doesn't really come up much in a domestic setting, as long as they're nice to EACH OTHER. The problem comes, of course, with the raising of children. The alignment differences would appear powerfully there, with the father wanting to raise his children to be disciplined and self-serving, with the mother simply wanting to raise them to be sweet and gentle.

It's very likely that the children are what caused them to split, but it's certainly possible for LE to love CG based on personal merits, even if they have different alignments.

[Mewtarthio]

Two words:

Dominate Person.

That's a pretty simple spell for Bards. Obviously, Ms Elan was a member of a group of rebel forces opposing the evil warlord Lord Nale. She posed as a waitress, then BAM took advantage of the notoriously poor Will save of Fighters. Remember, she's Chaotic Good, so she's not bound by any Paladin-type codes against that sort of thing.

Obviously, however, she was unable to keep the domination permanent, and things were exacerbated when one of the twins was born Evil. She attempted to order her husband to raise the child to be Good, but that was so contrary to his innermost desire to raise an Evil Warlord Heir (tm) that he broke the domination. He'd would've killed her right there, but Ms Elan got a Modify Memory spell in right in the nick of time.

Knowing that supressing her husband's Evil nature would be futile, but unable to simply kill him right there (Chaotic Good... plus, y'know, Bard vs Any Other Class doesn't work once the swords come out), she instead made Lord Nale think that she had willingly freed him of the domination because she couldn't keep up the charade any longer. That mollified him somewhat, and so Lord Nale spared her life, but instead filed for divorce. The end result was that he took the Evil child on the remainder of his conquests while she took the Good child and fled in shame.

[kirbsys]

One-nighter happens. The evile war-lord leaves and :elan: and :nale: are born. One day as :elan: 's mommy is working in bar trying to support two young chhildren, :nale: 's dad attacks the village, but recognizing her he doesn't kill her, instead taking the smart child with him. and the rest is history.

[Holy_Knight]

Yeah, the whole situation is really weird--nice, attractive women hardly ever inexplicably fall for and date total jerks, then complain about later, then continue to date the same kind of jerks, complain about it, and wonder why the men they date always treat them like crap and make them miserable. This is clearly a case where this comic strip just doesn't resemble real life at all, as there's almost no woman that I've met or even heard of for whom such a situation was typical or even occurred once or twice. I'm really not sure what possessed Rich to come up with something so clearly absurd.

[Hexa_Regina]

Yeah, the whole situation is really weird--nice, attractive women hardly ever inexplicably fall for and date total jerks, then complain about later, then continue to date the same kind of jerks, complain about it, and wonder why the men they date always treat them like crap and make them miserable. This is clearly a case where this comic strip just doesn't resemble real life at all, as there's almost no woman that I've met or even heard of for whom such a situation was typical or even occurred once or twice. I'm really not sure what possessed Rich to come up with something so clearly absurd.

Bitterness, party of one? :smallwink:


She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.

I like this one. Because it never happens at all in real life. Never. Nope. :smallbiggrin:

[Amon Star]

How about this? She's an all around sweet lady, and he liked having someone sweet to come home to after a hard day of killing things. She didn't ask much about his work, so they had an excellent home life. He was a bit stricter than her at home, but the good-evil axis doesn't really come up much in a domestic setting, as long as they're nice to EACH OTHER. The problem comes, of course, with the raising of children. The alignment differences would appear powerfully there, with the father wanting to raise his children to be disciplined and self-serving, with the mother simply wanting to raise them to be sweet and gentle.

It's very likely that the children are what caused them to split, but it's certainly possible for LE to love CG based on personal merits, even if they have different alignments.

That sounds so plausable as be scary.


One-nighter happens. The evile war-lord leaves and :elan: and :nale: are born. One day as :elan: 's mommy is working in bar trying to support two young chhildren, :nale: 's dad attacks the village, but recognizing her he doesn't kill her, instead taking the smart child with him. and the rest is history.

They were definately married, as they got divorced, so it couldn't have been a one night stand.

[Holy_Knight]

Bitterness, party of one? :smallwink:
Nah, just my usual sarcasm--I was smiling when I wrote that. If anything, it's frustration at the pain that so many of my female friends have gone through, made worse by the fact that it's their own fault. Still, you know that I'm right. :smallwink:

[TreesOfDeath]

Bitterness, party of one? :smallwink:



Bitter or not, you can't say he doesn't have a point. Heck I bet you know some friends who have done that dance

[Draigo]

Yeah, the whole situation is really weird--nice, attractive women hardly ever inexplicably fall for and date total jerks, then complain about later, then continue to date the same kind of jerks, complain about it, and wonder why the men they date always treat them like crap and make them miserable. This is clearly a case where this comic strip just doesn't resemble real life at all, as there's almost no woman that I've met or even heard of for whom such a situation was typical or even occurred once or twice. I'm really not sure what possessed Rich to come up with something so clearly absurd.

this post so made my day :smallbiggrin:

[firepup]

It was obviously at the opposed alignments mixer, everyone was there, except tfor the true neutrees, but who cares about them?

[Thrawn183]

It's her style that has influenced :elen: certainly, but if she actually had Bard levels she wouldn't need to be a barmaid.

Right, she would have been a bardmaid!

ahahaha

God I crack myself up sometimes...

[Ulicus]

In keeping with my previous "spoiler" regarding Elan/Nale's origins:


I imagine Elan and Nale's father wooed her with his oh-so-amazing dialog, naturally...

Elanakin: *under his breath* Flirt, flirt, flirt, flirt with the pretty girl
Elanakin: Are you an angel? *under his breath* goddamnit! A critical one!
Padnale: What?
Elanakin: An angel, I read about them in the Monster Manual. They live on the good aligned Outer Planes, I think. They're the most beautiful creatures in the multiverse...
Padnale: ... THIS is our first meeting?

Padnale: Elannie!? My goodness, you've grown.
Elanakin: So have you, grown more beautiful I mean... uh, for a barmaid I mean.
Padnale: And you're a bard, how?

Padnale: I love you.
Elanakin: You love me? I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we'd have to keep it a secret and that after my woefully inadequate dialog it would destroy this saga's credibility...
Padnale: I think its credibility is about to be destroyed anyway...

and, the divorce, well... it was a moment of madness:-

Lord Tyrinar: Where is Padnale? Is she safe? Is she alright?
Dark Chord of the Riff: It seems in your anger, you... divorced her.
Lord Tyrinar: I... I couldn't have, she was Catholic, I felt it! RARRGHH!
Dark Chord of the Riff: *smiles*
Lord Tyrinar: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Yeah, it's getting old now, sorry... *couldn't resist though*

[Mad Scientist]

My vote is with the "lots of beer" as to how they hooked up. As to why it didn't last; perhaps he forgot to tell her he was an evil warlord. He spent a lot of time on "business" trips. She figured out he's evil the day he accidentaly left a head on a pike in the chariot. Oops!

[Mike_G]

Alingment is helpless in the face of the old hormonal assault.

Plus, some chicks dig bad boys.

Not to stick around with long term, but for a fling, sure it could work.

[Amon Star]

Right, she would have been a bardmaid!

ahahaha

God I crack myself up sometimes...

Argh! The pain! The pain! :tongue:

[Mitheria]

How about this? She's an all around sweet lady, and he liked having someone sweet to come home to after a hard day of killing things. She didn't ask much about his work, so they had an excellent home life. He was a bit stricter than her at home, but the good-evil axis doesn't really come up much in a domestic setting, as long as they're nice to EACH OTHER. The problem comes, of course, with the raising of children. The alignment differences would appear powerfully there, with the father wanting to raise his children to be disciplined and self-serving, with the mother simply wanting to raise them to be sweet and gentle.

It's very likely that the children are what caused them to split, but it's certainly possible for LE to love CG based on personal merits, even if they have different alignments.

I'm going with this. It's pretty much what I was thinking but spoken more eloquently than I would have put it.


Yeah, the whole situation is really weird--nice, attractive women hardly ever inexplicably fall for and date total jerks, then complain about later, then continue to date the same kind of jerks, complain about it, and wonder why the men they date always treat them like crap and make them miserable. This is clearly a case where this comic strip just doesn't resemble real life at all, as there's almost no woman that I've met or even heard of for whom such a situation was typical or even occurred once or twice. I'm really not sure what possessed Rich to come up with something so clearly absurd.

This made my day! :smallbiggrin: Too funny...

[Maratanos]

My answer: None of the above. Elan and Nale's Father was deceptive enough to pass himself off as attractive to their Mother, and they managed to have twins before Elan's mother found out about the deception.

[Mike_G]

My answer: None of the above. Elan and Nale's Father was deceptive enough to pass himself off as attractive to their Mother, and they managed to have twins before Elan's mother found out about the deception.


That's pretty much how us males pass on our genes.

The species still exists, so it's working.

[kimana]

Well, I am inclined to the beer for a silly answer...but i chose mom turned good for some reason unknown even to me...

Real answer: She was pretty, he was wealthy and powerful, he struck a deal with her father and married her. Then he realized he has a low tolerance for sugary chaotic goodness so he divorced her (being evil, of course) and took :nale: (he needed a heir, and :elan: was also as sickeningly CG from his perspective)

:tongue:

[The_Thing]

Beer....Lots and lots of beer. Or there was a fling, and he ran away from commitment.

P.S. I forgot how to load up my character. Please help?

[SCEPTRE]

i bet Elans mom and dad were forced to marry each other just so the story of there lives would be way more interesting for there grown up lives like if on of them die.

[SCEPTRE]

maybe they thought it would be fun to have a smart evil son and a dumb but brave good son so they would fight at age about 21-22 and one of them would die

[Underfoot]

Opposites attract, but they sure don't stick.

I see it as the typical situation where a nice girl gets enamored of someone with a bad boy charm. Elan's dad wasn't going to turn down the action, of course, but neither was he going to stick around either.

(Note: Not to imply that nice guys don't fall for bad girls who take advantage of them.)

[elgrabadula]

i said beer because it would make sence that if elans mother was a barmaid she would get to the beer stash and then elans father came in asa customer drink a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!! of beer and elans mom thaught he was handsome then they were both drinking and then... you know out popped elan and nale

[teratorn]

I wasn't goint to comment on this but then this thing shocked me in such a way.


Let's all take a moment to be grateful for lawyers.
It doesn't work as a joke because the horror of the thing paralises all the brain areas responsible for finding something funny. Just the thought of it...


She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.

That's also my guess.

[Turcano]

I went with household cleaners. Beer is beer, but nothing says love like cleaning.

[KIDS]

Um.... a thousand people who don't really fit with each other are married each day, get kids and divorce. What's so strange about that? Heck if Britney Spears can do it (don't quote me on that, just the first thing that fell on my mind), so can Elan's parents.

[Grizzt]

If you've heard Maiden's "Invaders" the line goes pillaging raping or something
After the rape they fell in love with each other and Elans dad divorced beacause he couldnt take ree-spon-sabi-lity for both kids

[Talyn]

"After the rape, they fell in love..." That's a horrifically scary thought on any number of levels.

I concur with the idea that "he wanted a young and beautiful trophy wife" and "she wanted to redeem the bad boy." I have no doubt that's what happened. Remember, though, that evil people can and do fall in love... especially Lawful Evil ones.

[Green Bean]

She was a LE overlord. He was a CG bartender. THey liked each other very much, and tried to make it work. They eventually got married and had kids. Then, one day, a wizard switched their hats with Helms of Opposite Alignments. The rest is history...

[onasuma]

I'd choose the "other' option if it were there. The answer: Match.com

[Gandal]

This is the scenario playing in my head.

Mom: "I'd like two Fire Whiskies please."
Bartender: "Two Fire Whiskies coming right up."
He puts the spices into some whisky and hands one to Elan's mom and one to Elan's dad.

Somewhere else...
"Oh god, where did those material components for my "Luvey Duvey Wuvey" spell go?! All I have right now are some Fire Whisky spices! The components only need to come in contact with two people, and then someone says 'to love' for it to work!"

Mom: "To love!" She drinks. He does too.

One hour later and Elan is on his way.


Wasn't she the bartender, though?

[Azukar]

Pre-emptive Narrative Causality. Elan's natural narrative power was so strong that it echoed back in time, ensuring that his parentage would allow for a number of plotlines based around him later in life.

[WarDragon]

I'm voting for a combination of the "trophy wife/bad boy" and "nice girls fall for jerks" theories. They were in love despite their differences, but just couldn't make it work.

[Golt]

She was a hot babe, and he thought she'd be a great trophy wife.

He was a sexy bad boy, and she thought she could change him.


Oh, and beer.
That seems to be the most probable answer so far


Yeah, the whole situation is really weird--nice, attractive women hardly ever inexplicably fall for and date total jerks, then complain about later, then continue to date the same kind of jerks, complain about it, and wonder why the men they date always treat them like crap and make them miserable. This is clearly a case where this comic strip just doesn't resemble real life at all, as there's almost no woman that I've met or even heard of for whom such a situation was typical or even occurred once or twice. I'm really not sure what possessed Rich to come up with something so clearly absurd.
I absolutely agree. The idea is just ridiculous... :/

[Grizzt]

OK I had a crappy idea,but it is true that the girl i love loves me not (and im CE she probably NG)

[vbushido]

I went with household cleaners. Beer is beer, but nothing says love like cleaning.

Same here. Nothing like bleach + ammonia to make one's judgment completely loopy. Although, adding beer would probably help the situation along even more. A drunk barmaid dizzy on cleaning alchemy who took several years to realize that the fluttering feeling of love was entirely toxin-induced and not the gallant man in black armor on a snorting stallion with red eyes might also explain the singing style she passed onto Elan. :smallwink:

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[Green Bean]

Pre-emptive Narrative Causality. Elan's natural narrative power was so strong that it echoed back in time, ensuring that his parentage would allow for a number of plotlines based around him later in life.

Of course! It's all so clear now! :smallbiggrin:

[Ulicus]

Pre-emptive Narrative Causality. Elan's natural narrative power was so strong that it echoed back in time, ensuring that his parentage would allow for a number of plotlines based around him later in life.
That's an awesome idea. Funny AND awesome in fact.

[krossbow]

Hah; I would love to see that explained in a later comic.



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