1d43?

[Irk]

Scorpion-tail whip 75 gp 1d33 1d43

I found this in a copy of Sandstorm. Do any of you guys have other copies to check? I'm wondering if it's a misprint in just my copy, or in all of them. If it's everywhere, then we have a new die type, but that's a longshot.

[eggynack]

The 3 is superscript, or at least it's supposed to be. It means that the weapon deals nonlethal damage. Presumably, the fact that it's not in fancy superscript form is a typo of some kind.

[Amphetryon]

I found this in a copy of Sandstorm. Do any of you guys have other copies to check? I'm wondering if it's a misprint in just my copy, or in all of them. If it's everywhere, then we have a new die type, but that's a longshot.

It's a known misprint in Sandstorm.

[DementedFellow]

It's a misprint. Albeit a funny one.

Throw it on a character sheet and raise some eyebrows at the next table session.

[fishyfishyfishy]

I found this in a copy of Sandstorm. Do any of you guys have other copies to check? I'm wondering if it's a misprint in just my copy, or in all of them. If it's everywhere, then we have a new die type, but that's a longshot.

Most likely it is something they never got around to creating errata for. (No official errata appears for Sandstorm on the website)

[Ksheep]

A similar thing can be seen in certain printings of the PHB (including mine and two of the other three used by my group). According to it, a medium-sized sap does 1d63, a medium whip does 1d33, and medium bolas do 1d43.

EDIT: The super-script 3 on the PHB indicates that it deals non-lethal damage. I believe the same holds true for Sandstorm (don't have the book on me ATM).

[Nettlekid]

It's a scam by WotC trying to make you buy exotic dice. The d43 appears alongside its brother, the d63, with regard to the Sap, and the d33 shows up with little sister d23 with regard to the Whip.

This is not unlike the 20, 31, 32, and 33 3rd level spells per day that a Vigilante gets.

EDIT: Dangit, Swordsaged and one-upped with those Bolas.

[Emperor Ing]

That's not a typo. The game devs CLEARLY intended for a whip with a scorpion-stinger at the end to do potentially 3x more damage than a humongous axe or a man-sized broadsword when wielded by the same guy.

That's all your DM needs to know

[Lightlawbliss]

those PH missprints started a real fun conversation with some friends of mine. Don't remember how but we managed to create a d63

[OracleofWuffing]

A similar thing can be seen in certain printings of the PHB (including mine and two of the other three used by my group). According to it, a medium-sized sap does 1d63, a medium whip does 1d33, and medium bolas do 1d43.

EDIT: The super-script 3 on the PHB indicates that it deals non-lethal damage. I believe the same holds true for Sandstorm (don't have the book on me ATM).
The three is not a superscript on the Scorpion Tail Whip. You can see a superscript three later on in the table, for the boomerang, which is actually superscripted.
http://i.imgur.com/LeaqUy3.png

[Ksheep]

The three is not a superscript on the Scorpion Tail Whip. You can see a superscript three later on in the table, for the boomerang, which is actually superscripted.

Same thing in PHB. Small-sized Unarmed Strike is properly super-scripted, but subsequent 3s aren't superscripted (which means that Medium-sized unarmed strike does, on average, 16x as much damage as Small-sized unarmed strike).

EDIT: Here's photo evidence of above example
http://i.imgur.com/GX2lSPO.png

[Irk]

Ok, so what I'm hearing is that it's a superscript, but in the post above this, there is a screenshot showing the whip and a weapon with a superscript of 3. Obviously, it's a typo, I was being sarcastic at the top, but can you treat it as not being a typo by RAW is the real question.

[Flickerdart]

Most likely it is something they never got around to creating errata for. (No official errata appears for Sandstorm on the website)
Errata is explicitly not published for obvious typographical errors.

[Ksheep]

Ok, so what I'm hearing is that it's a superscript, but in the post above this, there is a screenshot showing the whip and a weapon with a superscript of 3. Obviously, it's a typo, I was being sarcastic at the top, but can you treat it as not being a typo by RAW is the real question.

Technically, yes, you could treat it as not a typo by RAW. Good luck finding a d43 though…

Granted, if your GM was lenient, you could use an RNG, but he'd probably nix that by RAW, as RAW states that you roll dice, not an RNG :smalltongue:

[eggynack]

The three is not a superscript on the Scorpion Tail Whip. You can see a superscript three later on in the table, for the boomerang, which is actually superscripted.
http://i.imgur.com/LeaqUy3.png
Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. It's clearly a misprint. If you look at the weapon descriptions, you'll note that the scorpion tail whip is described as dealing non-lethal damage on hits that are not critical. It's what the three is referring to, even if it's not formatted the same every time. You could probably make a crazy RAW argument involving them requiring d43's, but that's a bit on the crazy side, as I noted.

[Irk]

Ok, thanks everyone, I was just curious, and the superscript never occurred to me.

Also, nice quote in your signature Ksheep.:smalltongue:

[Hamste]

Errata is explicitly not published for obvious typographical errors.

Is it obvious? Maybe they meant it to do that much damage so that people will actually try using unarmed strikes and whips.

[Ksheep]

Is it obvious? Maybe they meant it to do that much damage so that people will actually try using unarmed strikes and whips.

No point in encouraging Gnomes and Halflings to use unarmed strikes, though. Only big people should be rewarded for being Monks.

[OracleofWuffing]

Technically, yes, you could treat it as not a typo by RAW. Good luck finding a d43 though…
I'll go a size smaller and use a d33 (http://www.dicecollector.net/JM/D33.HTM). :smallwink:

[eggynack]

I'll go a size smaller and use a d33 (http://www.dicecollector.net/JM/D33.HTM). :smallwink:
Well, if you just happen to have a d33 on you, I'm pretty sure that the DM has to cede the RAW argument to you on the basis of cool value.

[ArqArturo]

It's a scam by WotC trying to make you buy exotic dice. The d43 appears alongside its brother, the d63, with regard to the Sap, and the d33 shows up with little sister d23 with regard to the Whip.

This is not unlike the 20, 31, 32, and 33 3rd level spells per day that a Vigilante gets.

EDIT: Dangit, Swordsaged and one-upped with those Bolas.

I would have expected these dice from the people that brought us Rifts.

Seriously, it's an awesome game, fluff-wise. But, mechanically? :smalleek:.

[Big Fau]

Technically, yes, you could treat it as not a typo by RAW. Good luck finding a d43 though…

Granted, if your GM was lenient, you could use an RNG, but he'd probably nix that by RAW, as RAW states that you roll dice, not an RNG :smalltongue:

The solution to this is to use a tablet, then while using the web browser of said tablet to visit a website like Invisible Castle, and make the tablet do a barrel roll while the webpage is loading.

[Psyren]

Ok, so what I'm hearing is that it's a superscript, but in the post above this, there is a screenshot showing the whip and a weapon with a superscript of 3. Obviously, it's a typo, I was being sarcastic at the top, but can you treat it as not being a typo by RAW is the real question.

If you actually play RAW at your table with no modifications at all, god help you.

[Andvare]

There are never any typos in any D&D book.

Offtopic, have any of you gotten the new edition of the iWizard?

[Amphetryon]

There are never any typos in any D&D book.

Offtopic, have any of you gotten the new edition of the iWizard?

I do not recall. Let me check ToEE.

[ahenobarbi]

those PH missprints started a real fun conversation with some friends of mine. Don't remember how but we managed to create a d63

Actually it's quite easy:

1d63 = 1d8 + 8*(1d8-1), re-roll if result is 64;
1d43 = 1d8 + 8*(1d8-1), re-roll if result is >= 44;
1d33 = 1d8 + 8*(1d4-1)
1d23 = (1d8-1) + 8*(1d4-1) re-roll if result >=24

you can play with different die sizes to minimize re-rolling.

[Killer Angel]

Ok, so what I'm hearing is that it's a superscript, but in the post above this, there is a screenshot showing the whip and a weapon with a superscript of 3. Obviously, it's a typo, I was being sarcastic at the top, but can you treat it as not being a typo by RAW is the real question.

Now that you know it, if someone uses the scorpion-tail whip against you, sustain that, by RAW, it's printed 1d43, and pretend that a d43 must be used, or the damage can't be rolled.

[hymer]

ahenobarbi: Come on, each number from 1 to the maximum the die can get should have an equal chance of turning up. I suggest making two charts and roll 1d100000000 and consult those (charts include rerolls).

[Hamste]

Actually it's quite easy:

1d63 = 1d8 + 8*(1d8-1), re-roll if result is 64;
1d43 = 1d8 + 8*(1d8-1), re-roll if result is >= 44;
1d33 = 1d8 + 8*(1d4-1)
1d23 = (1d8-1) + 8*(1d4-1) re-roll if result >=24

you can play with different die sizes to minimize re-rolling.

A couple of those seem off. The 1d33 can get you up to 1d32 but does not reach 33 I think. The solution to 1d23 can get you a result of zero which should be mentioned.

Though if we are rerolling anyways why don't we just reroll the percentile dice until you get one of the results.

[ahenobarbi]

A couple of those seem off. The 1d33 can get you up to 1d32 but does not reach 33 I think. The solution to 1d23 can get you a result of zero which should be mentioned.

Hmm, yeah. That's what I get for being to lazy to get pen & paper to calculate those properly.


Though if we are rerolling anyways why don't we just reroll the percentile dice until you get one of the results.

Because I tried to minimize rerolls. But percentile is an option.

[Talderas]

Actually it's quite easy:

1d63 = 1d8 + 8*(1d8-1), re-roll if result is 64;
1d43 = 1d8 + 8*(1d8-1), re-roll if result is >= 44;
1d33 = 1d8 + 8*(1d4-1)
1d23 = (1d8-1) + 8*(1d4-1) re-roll if result >=24

you can play with different die sizes to minimize re-rolling.

It's far easier than that. Just take a page on rolling % dice.

1d63 : Roll 1d8 and subtract 1 to represent the 10s position. Roll 1d10 to represent the 1s position. Any roll that exceeds 63 or equal to 0 is rerolled.
1d43 : Roll 1d6 and subtract 1 to represent the 10s position. Roll 1d10 to represent the 1s position. Any roll that exceeds 43 or equal to 0 is rerolled.
1d33 : Roll 1d4 and subtract 1 to represent the 10s position. Roll 1d10 to represent the 1s position. Any roll that exceeds 33 or equal to 0 is rerolled.
1d23 : Roll 1d6, divide by 2 (round up), and subtract 1 to represent the 10s position. Roll 1d10 to represent the 1s position. Any roll that exceeds 23 or equal to 0 is rerolled.

[Studoku]

D33 is easy enough- roll a d100, divide by 3 and round up. Reroll 100s

D43 requires more cunning.

[ahenobarbi]

ahenobarbi: Come on, each number from 1 to the maximum the die can get should have an equal chance of turning up. I suggest making two charts and roll 1d100000000 and consult those (charts include rerolls).

This would result in non-uniform probability.

[BowStreetRunner]

This would result in non-uniform probability.
Which would be completely appropriate to go with the non-uniform editing that created this situation to begin with.

[137beth]

This is why I like Paizo more...they actually make a minor effort to put errata into reprints AND the prd. WotC barely makes necessary errata at all.

[Big Fau]

This is why I like Paizo more...they actually make a minor effort to put errata into reprints AND the prd. WotC barely makes necessary errata at all.

You obviously haven't played 4E. For all of the gripes I have with SKR/Paizo randomly nerfing things that don't need to be nerfed, WotC errata'ed 4E practically every 30 seconds.

I hated the change to Veteran Armor, and it (4E, not just that armor) just got worse about it as the game went on.