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Ruethgar
2013-08-03, 03:44 AM
Warlock 1 level
1st: Magical Training:Sorcerer
Flaw: Arcane Disciple
Flaw: Arcane Preparation
Human: Precocious Appentice

3rd: Southern Magic
6th: Alternate Source Spell


Would this technically be able to make a warlock an arcane and divine spellcasting class? Arcane Disciple adds to the class list and only requires you choose an arcane spellcasting class if you have 2 or more. Precocious Apprentice is a bit iffy to me, technically Arcane Disciple would grant a spell available for the lock to use with it though. Arcane Preparation does not specify a specific class or spellcasting ability so you qualify with Magical Training and are now able to prepare spells as a Warlock.

Southern Magic is to qualify for Alternate Source Spell, but if the Warlock isn't considered a spellcasting class after those feats, muticlassing would be required and would eliminate the need for Southern Magician with one cleric level(cloistered of course, taking knowledge devotion, metal and planing to chaos shuffle later).

Galvin
2013-08-03, 02:04 PM
I don't THINK it would.

DementedFellow
2013-08-03, 02:44 PM
That's a horribly long way to go to get to cast a second level spell as arcane or divine. All those feats end up gimping your character.

The warlock class isn't mentioned anywhere in the text of these feats. I don't believe the warlocks spells are a "school" of magic.

Can you give me a better run-down of how you feel this would work? And why would you want it to?

Ruethgar
2013-08-03, 03:40 PM
Was trying for a claw lock but the loss of lock progression to monk and lion totem barbarian is a far more severe determent than it would be for regular spellcasting classes considering how horrible warlock damage is compared to what a spell can do.

I knew that the sorcerer could get divine and arcane spellcasting as class features which would fairly clearly mark them for Mystic Theurge cheese and was wondering if there might be a way through feats to add divine and arcane spellcasting to the warlock. However looking at it now, it would not advance dual progression unless it was two arcane spellcasting progressions (ultimate magus) since warlocks get nothing from divine advancement even if they become divine casters.

Using chaos shuffle and AEG's Magic handbook would lessen the gimping of the character by letting a cleric dip give you 4 feats and being an elf give you 4.

Magical Training because it gives you the ability to actually cast arcane spells which Warlocks, by default, cannot. Arcane Disciple applies the spells to your class list, with only one class at level one, it gives your warlock 9 spells on their, previously non-existent, arcane spell list. For simplicity let's assume healing domain.

Precocious Apprentice is very iffy but it is key. If you are considering the schools of magic as what the feat is referring to, it becomes a useless feat. Any school of magic that also has divine only spells would not be applicable as you would not have access to that school's entirety. I take it to essentially mean no taking from prohibited schools(specialists) or spell lists not your own. A warlock with healing domain from arcane disciple has access to a total of one 2nd level spell, cure moderate wounds. This feat is key because it grants the ability to cast a spell as well as a slot, two things warlocks don't normally have.

Arcane Preparation allows your character(not a specific class just "you") to actually recharge a spell once spent since I can't figure out a good way to make warlocks spontaneous casters(which would make more sense).

Southern Magic allows you to cast arcane and divine spells but the fluff highly suggests that it does not make you a divine and arcane spellcaster, but it does qualify you for Alternate Source Spell which may do just that.

So even if it did make you an arcane and divine spellcasting warlock, the purpose of the experiment was to advance the eltdritch blast faster which would benifit from the arcane side of mystic theurge, but not the divine, even if the divine is applicable to the warlock(not that it would actually have an effect). The Ultimate Magus looks to be my best bet for dual progression warlock levels, but that seems highly unlikely.