Ultimate T1 Ghestalt Showdown

[CRtwenty]

Alright, say we've got three characters. To make things simple we're say they're all Humans using the Elite Array for starters with full access to WBL. One is a Ghestalt Wizard/Druid, one a Cleric/Druid, and the third a Cleric/Wizard. All three are attempting to completely destroy the others (not just kill that's too simple) and reign supreme.

Who comes out on top?

EDIT: Sorry, they're all level 20. :redface:

[blueblade]

Level?
What does destroy mean? Kill with no chance of resurrection?

Past a certain level, I think this is just going to become an initiative roll.

[CRtwenty]

Level?
What does destroy mean? Kill with no chance of resurrection?

Past a certain level, I think this is just going to become an initiative roll.

Sorry, edited in the level.
And yes, Destroy means kill with no chance of resurrection or something similar such as soul trapping.

[Douglas]

Past a certain level, I think this is just going to become an initiative roll.
Past a certain degree of optimization, it becomes a matter of finding which immunity the other guy forgot to acquire.

[Darth Stabber]

Past a certain degree of optimization, it becomes a matter of finding which immunity the other guy forgot to acquire.

Mostly this. Unless you have ton of stat point a wizard/archivist is going to be the best option (int sad). The wizard/archivist or wizard/cleric is going to have the easiest time with gathering immunities and have the best options for dispatching the enemy. Druids have a weaker spelllist than clerics, which is normally fully compensated for by class features, but in this instance those class features matter little. The druid combos have weaker casting, therefore the wizard/cleric (or even better wizard/archivist) is going to have a theoretical upper hand, but it's a fairly small one. This is based mostly on access to effects, which all three classes have in spades, but druid/cleric is WAY redundant in effects access, and cleric's access is slightly better. Wizards have more options to act out of turn, and the easy access to contingency (which will be seriously important).

If PRCs are on the table than wizard//druid/planar shepard becomes a force to contend with as it can make time it's B****.

[Randomguy]

Would prebuffs be allowed?

[Vaz]

Anything which gets first turn.

If Prestige Classes are on the table, Wu Jen with Archmage, Arcane Disciple Luck and Incantatrix just wins it.

For the price of a 7th level spell slot cast at the start of the day (and the spell slots sacrificed for the SLA's), you have every single spell of 8th level or lower persisted on you for free at the start of every day, regardless of whether or not you can cast it.

An Archivist can pull nearly similar levels of abuse, but needs a way of gaining Turn Undead and Body Outside Body in its spellbook.

[Asrrin]

The cleric//druid would have the most disadvantage as it has no innate access to Celerity or Contingency (though there would still be tons of ways to gain access to that via feats and WBL). At this point it's a giant game of rocket tag and whomever goes first wins. a wildshaped Dire Tortoise with celerity, time stop, and contingency would have the most edge in initiative rolls.

[Incanur]

I'd bet on the Cleric/Wizard assuming Divine Metamagic and the Animal Domain to put Persistent Spell on shapechange. But it really depends on the details and luck.

[Rebel7284]

Depends on the open sources, but in general, yeah it's a game of rock/paper/scissors. The version with Druid does have an advantage of extra actions (cast AMF on animal companion, etc.), but the wizard can do Time Stop -> gate spam. But wait! so can the cleric/druid with the right domains and spontaneous domain casting.

If they can take craft contingent spell, the answer is 100% whoever is better at logic.

[Incanur]

With gate in the mix and each character willing to spend XP, it could just become a bunch of solars (or worse) duking it out. :smallwink:

[Rebel7284]

With gate in the mix and each character willing to spend XP, it could just become a bunch of solars (or worse) duking it out. :smallwink:

Even without XP, with level 20 wealth, a bunch of scrolls of gate can be bought. :P

[kestrel404]

Who wins the initiative roll? :smallbiggrin:

In point of fact, they are all curbstomped by the Spell-to-Power Erudite//Archivist who saw the match coming a millenia from now and who travelled back in time to prevent them from ever being born.

Because nothing says broken like having access to every printed spell & power.