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killem2
2013-08-09, 12:57 PM
I have a new wizard in the making. I want to protect my spell book.

I want to buy a 2 inch box fitted for the spell book. It is made of mithril, has a mithril lock, (amazing) with arcane lock.

How do you even begin to figure up the cost for all this.

Also, is there any illusion spells that I could permanently put on it to make the case look like something else?

CaladanMoonblad
2013-08-09, 01:12 PM
Well, the SRD states that the price for mithral is 500 gp / lb of the item.

So figure out the normal weight of a wooden lock box for your spellbook.

An Amazing Lock (DC 40) is 150 gp (also SRD).



Have you looked at the "Magic of Faerun" book? There's a section on protecting spellbooks (ie, turning the spellbook INTO a magic item to guard against bookworms, water, fire, etc.)

killem2
2013-08-09, 01:36 PM
No I have not looked at that, I will check that out thanks!

Auramis
2013-08-09, 01:39 PM
If I remember correctly, the Complete Arcane has all kinds of nifty spellbook modifications you can get for protecting your book as well. I'd say give it a look. I don't know if the Complete Mage has anything, but I'd say give it a look too, to be on the safe side.

Andion Isurand
2013-08-09, 02:12 PM
Later on, you could look to make a dragonhide pouch instead, so it gains extraordinary energy resistance 5 against the corresponding element... and isn't vulnerable to spells that affect metal.

killem2
2013-08-09, 02:24 PM
can it be put in a havesack with no astral destruction?

Auramis
2013-08-09, 02:27 PM
can it be put in a havesack with no astral destruction?

You should be able to, to my knowledge. So, thus far, this thread has encouraged:


A spellbook
In a mithral box
With a mithral lock
With arcane lock
In a dragonhide bag
In a haversack

Nerd-o-rama
2013-08-09, 02:31 PM
Put it inside an egg inside a duck inside a hare inside an iron box and bury it under a tree on some random deserted island. Arcane locked, of course.

Wait, crap, that's where you put a phylactery...

Auramis
2013-08-09, 02:42 PM
Wait, crap, that's where you put a phylactery...

As far away from paladins and clerics as possible.

sleepyphoenixx
2013-08-09, 02:49 PM
The safest way that i know of is to take a level of Nomad with the Personal Space ACF (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070314a). Cast Shrink Item on your spellbook and store it in your subspace pocket that only you can access.

gorfnab
2013-08-09, 02:50 PM
Have you considered the Eidetic Spellcaster ACF from Dragon #357?

Crake
2013-08-09, 03:01 PM
What level are you starting out at? Because my personal favourite method of protecting my spellbook involves using Secret Chest (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/secretChest.htm). You put your spellbook into it, then send it away. Then you cast a permanencied shrink item on the miniature chest focus, turn into into a clothlike material and store it away in a fake tooth outlined in complete adventurer. Then each time you wanna prepare spells, rest, call your chest back, take out your spellbook, prepare spells, (and make sure you prepare secret chest as one of your spells), then send the chest away again.

For extra credit, put an arcane mark on the big chest and cast Instant Summons (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/instantSummons.htm) as a precautionary measure

killem2
2013-08-09, 03:47 PM
What level are you starting out at? Because my personal favourite method of protecting my spellbook involves using Secret Chest (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/secretChest.htm). You put your spellbook into it, then send it away. Then you cast a permanencied shrink item on the miniature chest focus, turn into into a clothlike material and store it away in a fake tooth outlined in complete adventurer. Then each time you wanna prepare spells, rest, call your chest back, take out your spellbook, prepare spells, (and make sure you prepare secret chest as one of your spells), then send the chest away again.

For extra credit, put an arcane mark on the big chest and cast Instant Summons (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/instantSummons.htm) as a precautionary measure

A Beguiler (magical beast not the class) Wizard 5 / Incantatrix 1

sleepyphoenixx
2013-08-09, 04:02 PM
You could also use Shrink Item to store your spellbook in the Hilt Hollow of a Dagger or a secret (and possibly lead lined) compartment in your boots or a hidden pocket.
The rules for that are in Complete Scoundrel, Hilt Hollow is found in Dungeonscape.

Cheiromancer
2013-08-09, 04:07 PM
Personally I would never put a magically shrunk item inside a body part. One dispel/disjunction/antimagic field later and your head explodes.

sleepyphoenixx
2013-08-09, 04:57 PM
Personally I would never put a magically shrunk item inside a body part. One dispel/disjunction/antimagic field later and your head explodes.

A shrunken item in a hidden pocket or hollow tooth can't be targeted by any of those because they require line of effect.

Crake
2013-08-09, 05:16 PM
A shrunken item in a hidden pocket or hollow tooth can't be targeted by any of those because they require line of effect.

And even if an antimagic field DID permeate through it all, it's just a small chest replica that would fit inside your mouth anyway, the only problem would be your fake tooth would break open

Duke of Urrel
2013-08-09, 09:36 PM
Also, is there any illusion spells that I could permanently put on it to make the case look like something else?

There's also the possibility of mundane disguise, at least as a fallback measure – and one that can't be dispelled.

This special use of Disguise skill is discussed on pages 106 and 107 of the Rules Compendium. When you disguise an object, your Disguise check is challenged by an opponent's Search check rather than Spot check. Disguising a spellbook takes 1d6 times five minutes and can make your spellbook look like a different object up to 10% bigger. Greater size increases require some Craft skill.

Occasional Sage
2013-08-10, 12:55 PM
Import the Bookplate of Recall (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/bookplate-of-recall) from Pathfinder.

erikun
2013-08-10, 02:09 PM
I would strongly recommend against any attempts to place shrunken items in a tooth in your mouth. I can't help but think that suddenly having a tooth shatter would affect verbal components.

Also, your lock (no matter how great) is going to be defeated by a single Knock (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/knock.htm) spell. I wouldn't rely on that too closely, at least not without other protections - such as hiding it somewhere.

killem2
2013-08-10, 02:38 PM
I would strongly recommend against any attempts to place shrunken items in a tooth in your mouth. I can't help but think that suddenly having a tooth shatter would affect verbal components.

Also, your lock (no matter how great) is going to be defeated by a single Knock (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/knock.htm) spell. I wouldn't rely on that too closely, at least not without other protections - such as hiding it somewhere.

Would it be wise to the reverse lock from what is it complete adventurer?

Also, can you get for a lack of better word "reflect" spell put on it? So if they cast knock it just bounces off?

Sith_Happens
2013-08-10, 06:53 PM
Put a lot of locks on it. Each Knock casting only opens two.

Darth Stabber
2013-08-10, 07:11 PM
Have you considered the Eidetic Spellcaster ACF from Dragon #357?

Eidetic spellcaster is a trap.

1) blessed books are affordable, and offer a massive discount on scribing spells, and eidetic spellcaster can't benefit from that massive cost reduction
2) there are several much better things to trade your familiar for. May I recommend abrupt jaunt?
3) hoard gullet is a spell, and it solves spellbook issues quite handily, especially extended (and extend spell is easily one of the best general purpose metamagic feats.

Crake
2013-08-10, 07:38 PM
Eidetic spellcaster is a trap.

1) blessed books are affordable, and offer a massive discount on scribing spells, and eidetic spellcaster can't benefit from that massive cost reduction
2) there are several much better things to trade your familiar for. May I recommend abrupt jaunt?
3) hoard gullet is a spell, and it solves spellbook issues quite handily, especially extended (and extend spell is easily one of the best general purpose metamagic feats.

How would you swallow a blessed book with hoard gullet? It's way to big to be able to shove in your mouth.

Reinkai
2013-08-10, 08:12 PM
What about Gloves of Storing (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/glove-of-storing)?

If someone pulls the glove off your hand, you probably have bigger issues than your spellbook.

killem2
2013-08-10, 08:38 PM
Put a lot of locks on it. Each Knock casting only opens two.

oh ho nice, that works :)

Auramis
2013-08-10, 08:46 PM
What about Gloves of Storing (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/glove-of-storing)?

If someone pulls the glove off your hand, you probably have bigger issues than your spellbook.

That might explain why I've never actually SEEN our wizard's new spellbook. His old one, I held onto with my cleric after he went missing. Once we found him, he had a whole new book. Took the old one and set it on fire. xD

I like the glove of storing idea. Probably what I'd do, aside from magical enchantments to protect it from others.