Turning undead Question

[dhusarra]

Is possible a cleric 7 level to turn or destroy an undead that has 15 HD?or the maximum is +4 level of caster?

[Jasdoif]

It is limited to level+4 with the turning check; increasing the effective cleric level for turning is a possibility, however.

A phylactery of undead turning (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#phylacteryofUndeadTurning) increases the effective cleric level for turning by 4. That'd put a 7th-level cleric at 11th, just enough to reach 15 with a +4 result on the turning check...assuming the 15HD undead doesn't have any turn resistance, of course.

[Keld Denar]

There are a lot of other items and abilities that increase effective turning level. A Flamewraught Iron Holy Symbol (ECS) and an Ephod of Authority (MIC) both increase the effective level by 1, as does the Improved Turning feat (CDiv?). Sacred armor and shields from...Libris Mortis? give a +2 untyped bonus to effective turning level each. Then there's some abstract stuff like the Rod of Defiance and the Lyre of the Restless Souls (both in LM) that reduce a foe's Turning Resistance, and there is nothing that says a creature can't have a negative TR (which reduces it's effective HD).

Couple all of that on a 7th level cleric with the Phylactery mentioned above and a Greater Turning (from the Sun domain), and a 7th level cleric could dust a single 30 HD undead on a good roll (completely ignoring any semblance of WBL though).

For added effect, if the cleric was good, he could cast Turn Anathema from Complete Champion and turn a Balor. TA has a special clause that says you can't dust outsiders, but still, a 7th level character who makes a Balor wet himself in terror before teleporting out is hilarious to me.

[dhusarra]

what book is ECS?

[sleepyphoenixx]

what book is ECS?

Eberron Campaign Setting

[Splendor]

Cheapest item is the Scepter of the Netherworld (Libris mortis pg 78) for 9,000gp. Adds +3 to effective cleric level.

To make it easy add Disciple of the Sun and Glory domain will do it.

Disciple of the Sun: Spend two turn attempts to destroy (CDivine p80)

Glory Domain Ability: Turn undead with a +2 bonus on the turning check and +1d6 on the turning damage roll.

Knowledge (Religion): If you have 5 or more ranks in Knowledge (religion), you get a +2 bonus on turning checks against undead. PHB pg 78

Lets say you have a 16 Chr:

Turning check d20+3(CHR) +2 from glory domain, +2 from Knowledge Religion. You would need to roll 15. Then roll damage 3d6+13 modifier, to turn 14HD you need to roll a 1 on 3d6 (thanks to disciple of the sun).

To make it easier to hit the turning check of 15 you could take heighten turning:
Heighten Turning: You may choose a number no higher than your effective Cleric level. Add that number to your Turning Check, then subtract it from your Turning Damage roll. - Libris Mortis pg 27

Use heighten turning for +7 on your turn check: d20+14 so you would need to roll a 8. For damage you'd need to roll 7 on 3d6 to destroy.

[dhusarra]

and the talisman of undead mastery is very good from MIC...