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Hashiel_Dammit
2013-08-28, 08:37 PM
Hey playground,

So I finally looked at the performance combat (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/performance-feats) stuff last night and at first. It kinda sucks. Requires the awful Dazzling Display to get into, then another feat before you can even use your performance feats in regular combat (and it's going to be rare that performance combat is common enough to be worth focussing on), then the feats themsevles (only two of which are any good - but I could see Murderer's circle working well with a Scout Rogue and Wind Stance) and another to be able to use two, then one more to make it a free action. Oh, you also need a high Cha and Perform. What do you get for all of this investment?

+2 to hit and +1d6 to damage. (Sarcastic Slow Clap)

Unless I'm reading Mocking Dance wrong (and I may be, it's a bit confusing) none of this is remotely worth it.

But still, it did get me thinking that there has to be a way to make a fun (if not necessarily optimized) Cha-based melee character. Feats that jump to the top of my mind would be Oslyuth Guile (Cha bonus as dodge bonus against one enemy when fighting defensively), Noble Scion (the feat - use Cha instead of Dex for Initiative). For classes, bard (with Arcane Duelist or either of the Dervisher archetypes) and some of this performance combat stuff. You've also got Deadly Display so Shatter Defenses is there and Deadly Stroke (which is pretty much a slightly improved Vital Strike that can't crit - 1 Con Bleed seems like a death sentence until you realize how easy it is to remove the Bleed Condition).

I would so love to see this work. Can it? I know you can get performance weapon mastery for free with the Gladiator archetype (which is compatible with a lot of others). Can you avoid some of the other feat taxes? Is Mocking Dance actually worth it (it doesn't say you actually have to use a move action, you just move your speed provoking or 5 feet without but it doesn't say 'move action' or '5-foot step'. Without free movement, it looks like a way to add 2 to a performance check. With free movement, it's a godsend to every TWFer out there.

grarrrg
2013-08-28, 09:00 PM
Pit Fighter (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/n-r/pit-fighter) PrC can give you some bonuses for being in a Performance Combat, and more importantly, can treat ANY combat as a Performance Combat X times per day.

On it's own it's a kinda "meh" PrC.
But with proper Performance feats/abuse, it....might be good?

With a good enough "crowd mood", you get free rounds of Rage! Without the normal Fatigued penalty! (note: there's a different Fatigued penalty).

Orc Ferocity, or Rage is one of the pre-reqs, I'd recommend going with Rage, which means Barbarian.

As far as using CHA goes:
You already have the Noble Scion feat, pair that up with 1 level in Lore (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/lore) Oracle for CHA to AC and Ref Saves, and you can now safely dump DEX.

Throw on the Lesser Spirit Totem (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo---rage-powers/spirit-totem-lesser-su) Rage Power (may as well go with with -plain- Spirit Totem (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo---rage-powers/spirit-totem-su) power too) for an extra attack that uses CHA for accuracy and damage bonus.

The only other Rage power to make use of CHA is Inspire Ferocity, which requires Reckless Abandon (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo---rage-powers/reckless-abandon-ex). This reduces your AC in exchange for increasing your accuracy. Inspire Ferocity (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo---rage-powers/inspire-ferocity-ex) lets you share this with your allies for CHA rounds.


That's....all I got. I don't dabble in performance combat, more just aware it exists.

Hruken
2013-08-28, 10:26 PM
2 levels of Order of the Cockatrice Cavalier will give you free dazzling display, and you can use it as a standard action, and a to hit bonus on demoralized enemies. Makes the feat quite a bit better.

Psyren
2013-08-28, 11:34 PM
Dervish Dancer Bard is a capable Cha-based melee. Get a scimitar, and Dex+Cha are all you need.

IronFist
2013-08-29, 07:34 AM
Pit Fighter is actually kind of decent, with the bonuses for dirty trick. Dazzling Display is not that bad if you're also packing Shatter Defenses.

Big Fau
2013-08-29, 08:00 AM
Hey playground,

So I finally looked at the performance combat (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/performance-feats) stuff last night and at first. It kinda sucks. Requires the awful Dazzling Display to get into, then another feat before you can even use your performance feats in regular combat (and it's going to be rare that performance combat is common enough to be worth focussing on), then the feats themsevles (only two of which are any good - but I could see Murderer's circle working well with a Scout Rogue and Wind Stance) and another to be able to use two, then one more to make it a free action. Oh, you also need a high Cha and Perform. What do you get for all of this investment?

Pathfinder supplements often have an obsession with feat taxes.