PC class similar to Expert?

[Galvin]

Hi GITP

Is there a class for PCs that is essentially like the NPC expert class? I want to build a mundane character along the lines of an Expert, though is still suitable for a PC.

[DR27]

More info needed. Is it that you want to be a skill monkey with access to all skills? Factorum does that. Without info on the character concept that you want, that's probably all the help you can hope for.

[Ashtagon]

There's the "master" class in one of the 3.x Dragonlance books. Other than that, nothing I know of.

[Lanson]

Try Factotum, I can't remember what book it's in, but it's ridiculous when it comes to using skills. It has all skills as class skills, and some huge synergies with it's class features to improve skills even more, it also gains spells

Edit: I did not see you wanted mundane till I hit post. Rogue should suit your needs, has huge skill list, tons of skill points

[Telonius]

All "Expert" says to me is that he can pick the ten most useful skills as class skills. There are a few things that could do something like that. Factotum is my first thought. The Exemplar PrC from Complete Adventurer will work, too. Able Learner (a human-only feat from Races of Destiny) can help with giving you more options on where to put skill points. Rogue has the highest skill points per level.

[DR27]

Factorum (Dungeonscape) is mostly mundane. Just pick spells that boost your skills or something - won't seem supernatural at all, fluff it as extra inspiration.

[Xuldarinar]

The Expert generic Class (Unearthed Arcana) could work.

[Roguenewb]

Factotum, ignore the arcane and divine bits. They are powerful, yes, but the rest of the time it's all skill tricks, all the time.

[Larkas]

Broadly, Factotum > Savant > Rogue > Expert. Bardic Knack Bard also fits in there somewhere. Based on what you're saying, though, you really want to check the Savant out. Dragon Compendium, FYI.

[Diovid]

I was going to say Factotum, Generic Expert (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm#expert), Master and Exemplar but I see those have already been mentioned.

I'll just add Human Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#humanParagon) and the Uncanny Trickster (Complete Scoundrel).

[Fax Celestis]

You could just take the Expert NPC class. It's not terrible in the right hands, and you could walk it into Exemplar.

[Gavinfoxx]

Master, Savant, and Factotum are the big ones, generally.

[Rubik]

Factorum does that.No it doesn't.

Factotum does, though.


Factorum (Dungeonscape) is mostly mundane. Nope. Seriously, why does half of everyone get this wrong?

[Xuldarinar]

No it doesn't.

Factotum does, though.

Nope. Seriously, why does half of everyone get this wrong?

Because: Factor, Factory, Factorum

Factotum isn't as easy to remember, the 1 letter difference makes it easier due to similarity to other words in more common usage.

Edit: also, the 'T' and the 'R' are right next to each other. one person makes a mistake, it sounds right, it starts being called that.

[Mystral]

The classic skillmonkey would be rogue, or perhaps bard, according to your interests. Any class that has a high number of class skills and skills available could be potentially usefull to you. Of course, factotum would be a possibility.

The question is, would you like to be a master of a few skills, or a jack of all trades? Exemplar would be good if you want to master a few skills. Factotum would be good for a broader approach.

[Chronos]

In case anyone's wondering, the word "factotum" means "do everything". The root "totum" leads to the English word "total". A "factorum", by contrast, would presumably "do a bagel".

[Flickerdart]

Level 1 of Human Paragon is like mini-Expert. Pick any skill to be a class skill for everything forever.

[Alex12]

In case anyone's wondering, the word "factotum" means "do everything". The root "totum" leads to the English word "total". A "factorum", by contrast, would presumably "do a bagel".

Now I want to see a bagel-based factorum class.

[Telonius]

Now I want to see a bagel-based factorum class.

Open Lox is a class skill.

[Psyren]

Open Lox is a class skill.

Thread over, thanks for playing.

[Larkas]

In case anyone's wondering, the word "factotum" means "do everything". The root "totum" leads to the English word "total". A "factorum", by contrast, would presumably "do a bagel".

DAMN YOU, CHRONOS, NOW I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!! AND I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF AN IMPORTANT CLASS!!! DAMN YOU!!

... Now that I think about it, may I sig this?

Edit:
Open Lox is a class skill.

And this?

[Chronos]

Permission granted. And I hope Telonius says yes, too, because that was just the perfect follow-up.

[Galvin]

Thanks for all your input guys!

[KoboldCleric]

Ardent Dilettante is a PrC from the Planar handbook that might fit the bill. 6+int/level, all skills as class skills. It does want 1st level arcane casting at 4 and 1st level divine casting at 7 though, so not entirely mundane.

[Larkas]

Permission granted. And I hope Telonius says yes, too, because that was just the perfect follow-up.

Thanks! And wasn't it? Perfect timing! :smallbiggrin:

[Spuddles]

Thread over, thanks for playing.

game over (http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/MFW+the+gif+loops+perfectly_0d0ef5_4635691.gif)

[Telonius]

DAMN YOU, CHRONOS, NOW I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!! AND I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF AN IMPORTANT CLASS!!! DAMN YOU!!

... Now that I think about it, may I sig this?

Edit:

And this?

Absolutely! :smallbiggrin:

[Gemini476]

In case anyone's wondering, the word "factotum" means "do everything". The root "totum" leads to the English word "total". A "factorum", by contrast, would presumably "do a bagel".

Sounds perfect for a campaign where you try to romance the Lady of Pain.
And then she uses her Disable Dice skill to flay you alive.

[Larkas]

Absolutely! :smallbiggrin:

Thanks! :smallbiggrin:

[Slipperychicken]

And then she uses her Disable Dice skill to flay you alive.

What is that, the ability to use a blowtorch? :smalltongue: