Cat people :3

[Thant]

What races there are around in 3.5/pf, other than Rakshasa, that fit the anthropomorphic feline category?

Specifically I'm looking for something similar to Leonin (MtG)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltfh359ZdY1qbuknmo1_1280.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gm4ph.jpg
http://artlemon.ru/imagesbase/1/big/bader-daren/1103-artfond.jpg
http://www.peteventers.com/portfolio/RakshaGoldenCub.jpg
or Tigrans (AoW2)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Cheetahbabe/katamung4_zpsa034b35a.jpg
http://oi44.tinypic.com/2ih4jmg.jpg
or even Yinkin from Glorantha
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130726235353/kingofdragonpass/images/6/6e/Yinkin.PNG

though lion-like catfolk are the one I have preference to. No lamia pls :smallsmile:

[Snowbluff]

There is the ... I dunno... Catfolk from Races of the Wild.

They're fast n stuff.

HEre is the PF game rule information. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-catfolk)I'll have to warn you, PF catfolk are teh hotnesz (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/144/0/c/catfolk_by_infraberry-d50xvsa.jpg). I honestly prefer the 3.5 art due to it siding on realism.

3.5
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/row_gallery/86632.jpg

[Togath]

Do 3.5 Catfolk count?
edit; ninjaed on the catfolk thing

[Snowbluff]

Tibbits, or "Cat-Weres," may or may not count.

[avr]

Shifters from Eberron could easily be feline if you want a LA zero option. Catfolk are LA +1 IIRC.

[Thant]

There is the ... I dunno... Catfolk from Races of the Wild.

They're fast n stuff.

HEre is the PF game rule information. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-catfolk) I'll have to warn you, PF catfolk are teh hotnesz. I honestly prefer the 3.5 art due to it siding on realism.

3.5
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/row_gallery/86632.jpg

Yeah, the 3.5 look waaay better; love the savanna feel.

But to be a bit more specific, I'm about to GM a new campaign for my group set in the BURNT WORLD OF ATHAS and although I use some of the lore from the reboot, we will play it in the 3.5/pf environment (athas.org, dragon and a bit of homebrew), with a lot of stuff from 2nd Ed updated for 3rd ed.

Some of the races introduced with the 4th ed just don't feel right in Dark Sun by me, especially the Minotaurs. So I opted to swap them with something else, and the first thing that came to mind were the lion-men of Mongo and a mental image of a Leonin Titan from MtG :smallcool:

Anything along those lines out there? Feral lionfolk with gritty manes and gloomy looks, ready to pounce on any slaver foolish enough to match their predatory gaze...hm?

[DeltaEmil]

If you don't mind that their lower body is four-legged (making it that it has a total of 6 appendages, four to walk, two to grab and handle stuff), Wemics from the Forgotten Realms setting might be an option.

Tibbits (cat-shapeshifters that can turn into something Halfling-like) is probably rather out, I'd suppose.

You could make a werelion-lycanthrope. There's of course the Leonal Guardinal, but it has no level adjustment, and couldn't technically be played. Savage Species has the rules for anthropomorphic lions.

[CRtwenty]

Pretty certain there's Cat Hengeyokai in OA. The 3rd party Rokugan d20 books also have Nekomata. Both of those are cat shapeshifters though, and the Nekomata get some innate Necromancy spells as SLAs so they might not be appropriate for a PC.

[LOTRfan]

I'm going to go off track for a second and just say that I disagree with you when it comes to the Minotaurs. Athas is big for its beast-headed giants, so having them as a race descended from those makes sense (at least in my opinion).

When it comes to stats, which version of Catfolk are better? The pathfinder version or the 3.5 version?

[Snowbluff]

When it comes to stats, which version of Catfolk are better? The pathfinder version or the 3.5 version?

I'd say the 3.5 ones, but they have a (undeserved) level adjustment.

[Thant]

Wemic look essentially same as Lamia to me and Tibbits are a no. I don't have much experience with OA so if you have some pics for Nekomata or Hengeyokai cats that would be great.

Anthropomorphic lions sound spot on, lycanthrope version not so much and Leonal Guardinal seems way too powerful, I'm not sure how would I handle him at all.

How the Ebberon shifters would work?


I'm going to go off track for a second and just say that I disagree with you when it comes to the Minotaurs. Athas is big for its beast-headed giants, so having them as a race descended from those makes sense (at least in my opinion).

Not that I have anything against minotaurs it's just something about sentient cows that makes me feel...weird. Elephant-in-the-room kind of weird.

Also minotaurs make some of my players draw parallels with Tauren and make "tauren-like" characters and start quoting tauren and talking about WoW and tauren and that gives me headaches and convulsions.

Beast giants I love and we use them abundantly in our DS games and that's why I wanted to leave the brute beast option open for players, just swapped for something else fluff wise.

Btw, now that I see your avvie, do you think dinosaurs would fit DS? With pterran already in, Saurials and the Lost Vale feel somehow alluring...

Tnx everyone for all the comments so far, you've been very helpful :smallsmile:

[LOTRfan]

Athas seems to love giant reptiles and insects, so I think Saurials could fit in rather nicely.

In fact, there is precedent for animals being magically warped into monstrous humanoid races; the Braxat, for example, are described as being the descendants of Mekillots who were mutated through the residual magics of the Pristine Tower.

[Paseo H]

Is this interest inspired by the catperson in Team Tarquin? :smalltongue:

[ArcturusV]

BoEF, if you got it, also has the Felid Template for making someone into a "Cat Person" race. Though if I recall the 0 LA stat adjustments favored the "light and quick" build rather than a large lionesque sort of thing. But hey, Options. And it's LA 0 so if you wanted you could throw it onto something like a Goliath for a reasonable approximation of what you want, I'd think.

[the_david]

I'd also say Shifter, especially the Razorclaw variant.

[avr]

For a lion-man Longtooth would also be valid IMO.

This pic was used when dragon mag first introduced shifters:
http://paizo.com/products/btpy7zvx?Dragon-Issue-317

Here's another:
http://pathtoeberron.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/shifter.jpg

Here's someone else's interpretation:
http://leafy-chan.deviantart.com/art/Head-Character-Design-Shifters-22706576

Dunno the source, but the last post on this page has a perfect shifter lion-man:
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19714094/What_do_YOU_think_MY_character_looks_like?pg=452

[Ashtagon]

The original "catfolk" race in D&D were the rakasta.

http://www.pandius.com/raka35e.html is a homebrew version, but I'm fairly sure an official conversion exists in a Dragon magazine -- I know for sure that one does for the original dog-folk race ("lupin").

[Waddacku]

Why don't you just say that cat-folk, for instance, are gritty types with manes?

[Greenish]

For a lion-man Longtooth would also be valid IMO.

This pic was used when dragon mag first introduced shifters:
http://paizo.com/products/btpy7zvx?Dragon-Issue-317
And here's how they ended up looking: http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg306/GotrekSA/Dungeons%20And%20Dragons/Eberron-Shifter.jpg
(I kid, I kid, there are actually pretty cool pictures of them too.)

[Larkas]

Well, you do have the weretiger (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lycanthrope.htm#weretiger) hybrid form. If you wanted, you could take its stat block and use it as a standalone creature. The stats are good, but the LA might be a bit problematic, specially if you remove the DR/silver. If you want, tweak its stat bonuses and remove the LA entirely.

Alternatively, you could use Savage Species' rules for making antropomorphic animals. IIRC, tigers or lions might end up with too much LA or RHD, but you could use the leopard as a base instead.

[Psyren]

There is the ... I dunno... Catfolk from Races of the Wild.

They're fast n stuff.

HEre is the PF game rule information. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-catfolk)I'll have to warn you, PF catfolk are teh hotnesz (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/144/0/c/catfolk_by_infraberry-d50xvsa.jpg). I honestly prefer the 3.5 art due to it siding on realism.

3.5
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/row_gallery/86632.jpg

Lookswise, I like them both honestly. The main difference is how much "cat" you want in the look; the PF version has a bit more.

Statwise, I prefer the PF approach of making the speed boost conditional (and typed, even though it does stack with most others) than simply making their base speed 40.

[Snowbluff]

Lookswise, I like them both honestly. The main difference is how much "cat" you want in the look; the PF version has a bit more. I don't think either has any more cat traits than the other.

...Oh wait, the 3.5 Catfolk have cat legs. I think objectively you have more cat in the 3.5 version than the PF one. :smalltongue:


Statwise, I prefer the PF approach of making the speed boost conditional (and typed, even though it does stack with most others) than simply making their base speed 40.
This has always bothered me, actually. You are fast, but only when you are doing certain things. Where's the love for Spring Attack? You know, the style that is supposed to represent mobility? The conditional speed bonus doesn't integrate very well.

[Psyren]

I don't think either has any more cat traits than the other.

...Oh wait, the 3.5 Catfolk have cat legs. I think objectively you have more cat in the 3.5 version than the PF one. :smalltongue:

Depends on the artist you're looking at. Your pic came from Bestiary III, but the ARG version looks like this:

http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/PZO1121-Catfolk.jpg




This has always bothered me, actually. You are fast, but only when you are doing certain things. Where's the love for Spring Attack? You know, the style that is supposed to represent mobility? The conditional speed bonus doesn't integrate very well.

I wouldn't mind extending it to Spring Attack as well - but the fluff is that they are fast in bursts, not all the time. And tying it to actions one typically associates with melee prevents casters from zipping around the battlefield (at least, more than they are capable of with magic.)

[Snowbluff]

Depends on the artist you're looking at. Your pic came from Bestiary III, but the ARG version looks like this:


Yeah, I know. If the blue text and :P weren't an indication, I really don't care that much about how they look.



I wouldn't mind extending it to Spring Attack as well - but the fluff is that they are fast in bursts, not all the time. And tying it to actions one typically associates with melee prevents casters from zipping around the battlefield (at least, more than they are capable of with magic.)
I think the qualifier at the end points out what is wrong with this line of thinking. If the only intent is to nerf spellcasters (who are at their weakest when directly engaging in combat), then you should be changing something about casting and not how everyone else moves.

[bekeleven]

Just thought I'd mention that there's also the anthro cats from Savage Species. They're not mighty lion-men, though; they're small-sized, have 3 weak natural attacks, and (among other things) a +1 LA and minuses to strength.

[Psyren]

Yeah, I know. If the blue text and :P weren't an indication, I really don't care that much about how they look.

I know you don't, I was just correcting you.



I think the qualifier at the end points out what is wrong with this line of thinking. If the only intent is to nerf spellcasters (who are at their weakest when directly engaging in combat), then you should be changing something about casting and not how everyone else moves.

I don't claim to know the intent, I was just pointing out that it fits the fluff a bit better for it to apply to short bursts rather than being "always on."

And again, I'm in favor of letting it be used with Spring Attack.

[Snowbluff]

I don't claim to know the intent, I was just pointing out that it fits the fluff a bit better for it to apply to short bursts rather than being "always on."

And again, I'm in favor of letting it be used with Spring Attack.
I am confused. What fluff is telling you they should be slow except for when they are not? :smallconfused:

[Psyren]

I am confused. What fluff is telling you they should be slow except for when they are not? :smallconfused:

RotW has the following passage: "Quick in movement and thought, the catfolk rely on short bursts of energy to accomplish nearly every task, making the other races seem plodding and dedicated in comparison." PF fluff appears silent on their speed, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this passage (or cat movement in general) inspired the mechanic.

And 30ft. move isn't "slow," it's average. Even Xephs have 30ft. move.

[Snowbluff]

RotW has the following passage: "Quick in movement and thought, the catfolk rely on short bursts of energy to accomplish nearly every task, making the other races seem plodding and dedicated in comparison." PF fluff appears silent on their speed, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this passage (or cat movement in general) inspired the mechanic. To accomplish every task. They are not just sprinters or chargers. They make everyone else feel


And 30ft. move isn't "slow," it's average. Even Xephs have 30ft. move.
SLOW! (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327) You gotta try some of this haste stuff.

And it's 'average' for medium creatures. Creatures are often moving faster than that with items and traits.
A fast for its size creature has precedent would be the Whisper Gnome. Really, Movement Speed is an erroneous stat to place in an entry if everyone is going to be moving the same speed.

[Psyren]

To accomplish every task. They are not just sprinters or chargers.

Certainly; but singling those actions out for an at-will "burst of speed" mechanic does make sense.



SLOW! (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327)

Well, if lightning is your baseline, most things will be "slow," yes :smalltongue:

[zilonox]

If you're willing to explore 3rd party content, you can check out the Artathi in "Mythic Races" from FFG. They come in 8 varieties (lion, tiger, puma, lynx, cheetah, leopard, jaguar and snow leopard) that offer a variety of ability bonuses based on type.

[Thant]

Spoiler tags because of the post size:



Is this interest inspired by the catperson in Team Tarquin? :smalltongue:

My cat love is, as far as oots goes, directed without any reserve to Mr. Scruffy and Mr. Scruffy alone :smallredface:


BoEF, if you got it, also has the Felid Template for making someone into a "Cat Person" race. Though if I recall the 0 LA stat adjustments favored the "light and quick" build rather than a large lionesque sort of thing. But hey, Options. And it's LA 0 so if you wanted you could throw it onto something like a Goliath for a reasonable approximation of what you want, I'd think.

This sounds interesting but I've found only the 4e version of this template; is there a 3.5/PF version? Link if you can pls.


I'd also say Shifter, especially the Razorclaw variant.

Again interested and ty, but alas only 4e comes up and I would prefer to avoid 4e conversion festivities. If there is a 3.5 version around, pls link, much appreciated.


For a lion-man Longtooth would also be valid IMO.

This pic was used when dragon mag first introduced shifters:
http://paizo.com/products/btpy7zvx?Dragon-Issue-317

Here's another:
http://pathtoeberron.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/shifter.jpg

Here's someone else's interpretation:
http://leafy-chan.deviantart.com/art/Head-Character-Design-Shifters-22706576

Dunno the source, but the last post on this page has a perfect shifter lion-man:
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19714094/What_do_YOU_think_MY_character_looks_like?pg=452

Heh, these kinda remind me of Thundercats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjaTkPYzK00) and I enjoyed them quite a lot (the reboot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV46r5gwr1E) too) :smallsmile:
Pics are very nice, but I want something with more brutal big cat predator feel and less agile felinoid human. Something like this:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/ay16v.jpg
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/163/4/e/The_Lion_King_by_Dessin75.jpg


The original "catfolk" race in D&D were the rakasta.

http://www.pandius.com/raka35e.html is a homebrew version, but I'm fairly sure an official conversion exists in a Dragon magazine -- I know for sure that one does for the original dog-folk race ("lupin").

Although I don't want rakasta, this is very helpful mechanics wise, ty!


Why don't you just say that cat-folk, for instance, are gritty types with manes?

Hey, Athas is a tough place where wimps eat maximized empowered quickened defiled fireball death :smallbiggrin: Though I like the pf stat block for catfolk, I want to see what other options are out there - maybe add pounce or some Lion Totem stuff like roar to improve them further - and round it all off with a free psionic power, as is customary for Dark Sun races.


And here's how they ended up looking: http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg306/GotrekSA/Dungeons%20And%20Dragons/Eberron-Shifter.jpg
(I kid, I kid, there are actually pretty cool pictures of them too.)

Uuungh...no, not what I need; way too human-like.


If you're willing to explore 3rd party content, you can check out the Artathi in "Mythic Races" from FFG. They come in 8 varieties (lion, tiger, puma, lynx, cheetah, leopard, jaguar and snow leopard) that offer a variety of ability bonuses based on type.

LINK PLS! Very interested in these :smallsmile:


Well, you do have the weretiger (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lycanthrope.htm#weretiger) hybrid form. If you wanted, you could take its stat block and use it as a standalone creature. The stats are good, but the LA might be a bit problematic, specially if you remove the DR/silver. If you want, tweak its stat bonuses and remove the LA entirely.

Alternatively, you could use Savage Species' rules for making antropomorphic animals. IIRC, tigers or lions might end up with too much LA or RHD, but you could use the leopard as a base instead.

I'm pretty bad with adjusting and equalizing the LA but will look into the stat blocks, ty; SS also looks promising, so I will probably end up building upon pf catfolk template with some of the stuff you people generously provided.

Tnx for all the suggestions and answers! :D

Also, I think this one goes without saying: if anyone has any art or links to images depicting catfolk, please do post them :)))

[Greenish]

Savage Species has the Feral template, which might work. It gets you strength, claw attacks, some NA, and other stuff. The rest would be matter of fluffing it.

[Larkas]

Also, I think this one goes without saying: if anyone has any art or links to images depicting catfolk, please do post them :)))

Well, you can't go wrong by searching stuff related to Ajani (https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/10):

https://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/stf/stf10_ajanifull.jpg

https://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/stf/stf10_ajanipromo.jpg

http://rlv.zcache.com/magic_the_gathering_ajani_vengeant_alternate_postc ard-rf4c46a77692b448aa407c6bafba28d63_vgbaq_8byvr_512. jpg

http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/cardart/LRW/Ajani_Goldmane_640.jpg

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/wallpapers/Ajani_Caller_of_the_Pride_M13_1280x960_Wallpaper.j pg

http://wallcoo.com/game/Magic_The_Gathering_Illustration_VIII_2560x1600/images/wp_ajanispridemate.jpg

[ArcturusV]

Well, it's BoEF, I don't know if anyone necessarily posted it's stats up online anywhere. Nor where to look. Pertinent facts from my book however:

-2 Str and Wis, +2 Dex, and App if you use it, which I honestly haven't. +2 Racial skill bonus on Climb, hide, jump, move silently (+4 for running jumps), and +4 Racial to Balance. Felids gain low light vision, if you have 5 HD you get slow fall 10 feet, stacking with other slow falls. 10 HD you get a free feat from a list including Acrobatic, Agile, Alertness, Athletic, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Skill Focus, or Stealthy.

All in all, it's hardly game breaking or highly optimized. But it IS an option that can be added for 0 LA to any Humanoid or Monstrous Humanoid. None of the abilities really scream "TAKE ME". I mean a free feat is a free feat but chances are I'd have picked any of those I really wanted before I hit level 10. Maybe use it for Alertness or something as that might have been lower on my priority list. The slow fall is... well... it's slow fall, it's useless. Skill bonuses are always nice, but not critical. It's a Template made for Rogues pretty much, and nothing too wrong with that.

[zilonox]

LINK PLS! Very interested in these :smallsmile:

I don't have a link for the Artathi. However, I believe I can share their mechanics here due to it being designated open content. From page 4 of the book:

Mythic Races is published under the terms of the Open Game License and d20 System Trademark License. The OGL allows us to use the d20 System core rules and to publish gaming material derived from those rules.

In fact, material that is strictly rules related is Open Content. You can use this material in your own works, as long as you follow the conditions of the Open Game License. You can copy the material to your website or even put it in a book that you publish and sell.

Not everything in this book is Open Content, however. The names of races, prestige classes, feats, skills, equipment, and spells and the game statistics, mechanics, and rules derived from the d20 SRD are designated as Open Content. The descriptions of the races and prestige classes are closed content and cannot be republished, copied, or distributed without the consent of Fantasy Flight Games.

All illustrations, pictures, and diagrams in this book are Product Identity and the property of Fantasy Flight Games, © 2001.

Here are the base stats that are common to all members of the race.


+2 Dexterity, –2 Constitution
Medium-size
Base speed of 30 feet
Low-light Vision
+2 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks. In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, the Hide bonus increases to +6.
+6 racial bonus on Balance checks
+2 dodge bonus.
If an artathi attacks unarmed with his claws extended, his unarmed strikes cause 1d6 points of damage. Unlike normal unarmed strike damage, this damage is not subdual damage. An artathi’s Strength modifier is applied to this damage as usual. If an artathi attacks unarmed without his claws extended he causes 1d3 points of subdual damage.
Automatic Languages: Common and Artathi. Bonus Languages: Elven, Draconic, Giant, Goblin, and Sylvan.
Favored Class: Barbarian


Those are modified depending on the subrace (or caste, as they call it) as follows.

Il’artathi (Lion)

+2 Strength, –2 Dexterity
Favored Class: Paladin


Tal’artathi (Tiger)

Favored Class: Cleric


Ahl’artathi (Puma)

+2 Intelligence, +2 Charisma, –2 Constitution
Favored Class: Sorcerer


Htak’artathi (Lynx)

Favored Class: Ranger


Sal’artathi (Cheetah)

+4 Dexterity, –2 Constitution, –2 Strength
Base speed is 40 feet
Favored Class: Monk


Dal’artathi (Leopard)

Favored Class: Rogue


Vyk’artathi (Jaguar)

+2 Strength, –2 Intelligence, –2 Charisma
Favored Class: Fighter


Syltath (Snow Leopard)

+2 Strength, –2 Dexterity



I was unable to find images, but pretty much imagine anthropomorphic versions of any of the cats mentioned (or check out many of the images posted by other playgrounders) and you've got it. :smallsmile:

[Greenish]

Yay for more weird natural weapons/unarmed strikes interaction!

Also, do puma guys and cheetah gals really run around with -4 Con? Ouch.

[zilonox]

Also, do puma guys and cheetah gals really run around with -4 Con? Ouch.

I believe that the stat lines in the subraces replace the stat line in the base race. Same as with the favored class line.