Evil Chalice?

[Geordnet]

I haven't read Start of Darkness, but talk on the forum has implied that the "evil chalice" that Quaar mentioned (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0631.html) was possibly described in more depth there.


So, I'd like to know... How plausible is it that the very last page of OotS features whomever's left alive (or undead) going off questing for said chalice?

[B. Dandelion]

There's no evil chalice mentioned in SoD.

Xykon's crown is, and the Crimson Mantle is very important, but that's it as far as artifacts go.

[factotum]

In fact, I don't think the evil chalice has ever been mentioned apart from that one strip, which is probably because it's a one-off joke that will never come up again.

[Bovine Colonel]

A Dark Gem of Despair is mentioned in SoD, but that's another one-off joke.

[Sir_Leorik]

I haven't read Start of Darkness, but talk on the forum has implied that the "evil chalice" that Quaar mentioned (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0631.html) was possibly described in more depth there.


So, I'd like to know... How plausible is it that the very last page of OotS features whomever's left alive (or undead) going off questing for said chalice?

You shouldn't reveal the InvisiClues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisiclues) hints before you reach an area in the game. Some of the questions are red herrings.

[strijder20]

Evil chalice is just a pun on holy grail, right?

[Sir_Leorik]

Evil chalice is just a pun on holy grail, right?

No, it's a pun on "red herring".

[martianmister]

Evil chalice is just a pun on holy grail, right?

Probably. Good find. :smallsmile:

[Gift Jeraff]

A Dark Gem of Despair is mentioned in SoD, but that's another one-off joke.

There's also the One Ming.

[denthor]

There's also the One Ming.

Mr. Colo and wil are off to destroy the one Ming? Their unexplained yet curious love could only end in tragedy. (http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/32/)

[Geordnet]

Evil chalice is just a pun on holy grail, right?
I would think that was obvious. :smalltongue:


Anyways, it looks like I simply misinterpreted things; oh well. I guess we could still discuss the likelihood that the last page of OotS features whatever's left of the Order embarking on some new quest, though?

[littlebum2002]

Evil chalice is just a pun on holy grail, right?

I totally never picked up on that.

I did get the "one ming" pun, though. But what is the "dark gem of dispair" supposed to be?

[Forikroder]

In fact, I don't think the evil chalice has ever been mentioned apart from that one strip, which is probably because it's a one-off joke that will never come up again.

or the best foreshadowing EVER

its likely Quarrs supervisor worked for the IFCC

[Sir_Leorik]

I totally never picked up on that.

I did get the "one ming" pun, though. But what is the "dark gem of dispair" supposed to be?

An artifact of untapped energy.

[Ron Miel]

I have a theory that the "dark gem of despair" is the one seen in Xykon's hand (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html)

and which holds the bound souls of Dorukan and Lirian

[Sir_Leorik]

I have a theory that the "dark gem of despair" is the one seen in Xykon's hand (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html)

and which holds the bound souls of Dorukan and Lirian

No, it isn't. The headband Xykon is holding is the focus for the Cloister spell, as shown here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html).

The gem that Xykon trapped Lirian and Dorukan's souls, was the Focus for the Soul Bind spell (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/soulBind.htm), a black sapphire of at least 1,000 gp value for every hit die of the victim to be bound (i.e. it's worth at least 50,000 gp in order to hold both Lirian and Dorukan's souls). By RAW, Xykon would need to use two separate sapphires, but The Giant is exercising literary fiat to handwave that rule.

As I said, the Dark Gem of Despair is an artifact of untapped energy. It is also more powerful than a Goblin's feces. :smallwink:

[Ron Miel]

No, it isn't.

Can we say for certain that it isn't?

I'd certainly admit that there is no evidence to support my guess, but I don't see any proof that it's wrong.


The headband Xykon is holding is the focus for the Cloister spell, as shown here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html).

I don't see what that has to do with it. I did not mention the headband.

Perhaps you misunderstood me. Xykon is holding a headband in one hand, and a black gem in the other. It's the black gem that I'm talking about.

The gem that Xykon trapped Lirian and Dorukan's souls, was the Focus for the Soul Bind spell (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/soulBind.htm), a black sapphire of at least 1,000 gp value for every hit die of the victim to be bound (i.e. it's worth at least 50,000 gp in order to hold both Lirian and Dorukan's souls). By RAW, Xykon would need to use two separate sapphires, but The Giant is exercising literary fiat to handwave that rule.

And perhaps the specific gem he used for that is the DGoD.

[Sir_Leorik]

Can we say for certain that it isn't?

I can say with 100% certainty that Xykon never went looking for the DGoD. It was the MacGuffin that Ekdysdioksosiirwo, Viridian Lord of something or other, was trying to interest Xykon in hunting. Xykon felt that "Ekdysdioksosiirwo, Viridian Lord of something or other" was too long to remember, so he killed Ekdysdioksosiirwo, Viridian Lord of something or other, with a Lightning Bolt to the chest. That's why Redcloak gave Xykon short, easy to remember, pseudonyms for himself and Right-Eye.


I'd certainly admit that there is no evidence to support my guess, but I don't see any proof that it's wrong.

Xykon blasted Ekdysdioksosiirwo, Viridian Lord of something or other, with a Lightning Bolt to the chest. Then Xykon agreed to The Plan. Nuff said.



The headband Xykon is holding is the focus for the Cloister spell, as shown here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html).

I don't see what that has to do with it. I did not mention the headband.


Perhaps you misunderstood me. Xykon is holding a headband in one hand, and a black gem in the other. It's the black gem that I'm talking about.

Okay, now I understand. You're talking about the sapphire.

That sapphire can not be the DGoD, but it can be the Soul Bind Focus. Xykon never found the DGoD; he never even bothered looking for it.

[Gift Jeraff]

Who said he set out to find it? He disappears for long periods of time and comes back with new tricks; presumably this entails stuff like raiding dungeons and killing people with sweet loot and XP.

[Sir_Leorik]

Who said he set out to find it? He disappears for long periods of time and comes back with new tricks; presumably this entails stuff like raiding dungeons and killing people with sweet loot and XP.

Like Serini Toormuck's diary, right? :smallwink:

Look, is it possible Xykon decided to go tromping through a swamp, and accidentally found the DGoD? Yes, but it isn't likely, since he wouldn't know where to look for it. Xykon was offered two adventure hooks, and he chose to zap the Lizardfolk offering the DGoD hook, before the Lizardfolk could reveal the hook.

Furthermore, Xykon doesn't need an artifact to cast Soul Bind, he just needs a very expensive sapphire.

[Ron Miel]

Look, is it possible Xykon decided to go tromping through a swamp, and accidentally found the DGoD? Yes, but it isn't likely, since he wouldn't know where to look for it.[/SPOILER]

Who said he did?

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that Xykon went looking for the DGoD. He has a very expensive sapphire in his possession. He used it for the soul bind. My speculation is that this just happens to be the same gem the Lizardfolk are looking for. Xykon doesn't know, and wouldn't care if he found out. It's not something he has done deliberately.

[Sir_Leorik]

Who said he did?

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that Xykon went looking for the DGoD. He has a very expensive sapphire in his possession. He used it for the soul bind. My speculation is that this just happens to be the same gem the Lizardfolk are looking for. Xykon doesn't know, and wouldn't care if he found out. It's not something he has done deliberately.

You're entitled to speculate. And I'm entitled to make sure the trees are taking their epilepsy medication on schedule. (I'm a little worried about these trees.) :smalltongue:

[quasit]

Like Serini Toormuck's diary, right? :smallwink:

Furthermore, Xykon doesn't need an artifact to cast Soul Bind, he just needs a very expensive sapphire.

ohhh that...I hope that the giant reveals us how did he got it in the first place (trouncing Serini: very likely ) soon.