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Scarey Nerd
2013-09-01, 05:04 AM
The spell "Foresight" makes you "never surprised of flat-footed". Does this mean that as long as you have your dex bonus, someone with the Foresight spell active is immune to sneak attacks?

IronFist
2013-09-01, 05:29 AM
There is also flanking and Telling Blow

Scarey Nerd
2013-09-01, 05:36 AM
There is also flanking and Telling Blow

What is this Telling Blow of which you speak? And yes, I hadn't considered flanking.

DeltaEmil
2013-09-01, 05:38 AM
Telling Blow is a feat from the Player's Handbook 2 that allows you to deal sneak attack extra damage when you make a critical hit.

Also, feinting and grappling an opponent also denies the Dex bonus to AC.

Psyren
2013-09-01, 11:01 AM
You also still lose your Dex bonus while climbing, or balancing (with less than 5 ranks in Balance) etc.

IronFist
2013-09-01, 12:24 PM
You also still lose your Dex bonus while climbing, or balancing (with less than 5 ranks in Balance) etc.

Balancing explicitly makes you flat-footed, which Foresight blocks.

Btw, there is also feinting.

TuggyNE
2013-09-01, 06:20 PM
Balancing explicitly makes you flat-footed, which Foresight blocks.

Btw, there is also feinting.

Speaking of feinting, how is it that foresight doesn't make you immune to feinting? (Not that it needs the power boost, but it would only make sense.)

Psyren
2013-09-01, 06:37 PM
Speaking of feinting, how is it that foresight doesn't make you immune to feinting? (Not that it needs the power boost, but it would only make sense.)

Ironically, it could be the fault of the spell itself - it warns you about impending harm, but a feint isn't harmful by definition and so the spell may skip over it.

Chronos
2013-09-01, 06:48 PM
And there's also an invisible or hiding attacker.

TuggyNE
2013-09-01, 06:59 PM
Ironically, it could be the fault of the spell itself - it warns you about impending harm, but a feint isn't harmful by definition and so the spell may skip over it.

Well, the spell would certainly ignore the feint, but the following attack is definitely impending harm, and coming in an unexpected way no less — exactly the sort of thing that foresight should act against.

Scarey Nerd
2013-09-02, 12:16 AM
And there's also an invisible or hiding attacker.

Surely that would count as surprise, which the spell blocks? Spiderman doesn't need to see Doctor Octopus' mechanical arm coming towards him for his Spidey sense to tell him to move.

Crake
2013-09-02, 03:06 AM
And there's also an invisible or hiding attacker.

Attacking while invisible or hidden makes your target flat footed, which foresight would trump

DeltaEmil
2013-09-02, 04:00 AM
No. Being attacked by an invisible opponent does not make you flat-footed. You simply lose your Dex bonus to AC, and the invisible opponent gains a +2 bonus on the attack roll, unless you have uncanny dodge.

When you are flat-footed, you normally lose your Dex bonus to AC.
If you lose your Dex bonus to AC, you are not necessarily flat-footed.

Confusing, but that's how it is.

Chronos
2013-09-02, 10:05 AM
Generally, flatfooted means you haven't yet acted in combat (though there are a handful of other effects that can make you flatfooted even after you act). It's one of the more common ways to be denied your Dex bonus, but it's not the only one.