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Lactantius
2013-09-04, 12:33 AM
1) Does the spell save DC (18 + spellcasting modifier) for the veils add up with the taken spell focus in abjuration?
Im unsure since the veils are no real spells, they are SLA's. But otoh, there are 2 good arguments for applying spell focus:
a) the PrC requires 2 feats which would be totally use- and pointless if they would not support the class' signature ability
b) veils are based of the prismatic wall spell, which itself is also an abjuration spell. So, if a veil emulates the prismatic wall, we could argue that the veils are treated as abjuration effect, right?

2.) What is the use of the lines in each veil saying: "this is the equivalent of a 4th/5th/6th etc. level spell? Is this important for calculating the saves (again) or for caster level checks?

tyckspoon
2013-09-04, 12:43 AM
1: RAW, no. It's not the only PrC whose requirements have absolutely nothing to do with either its abilities or its fluff (Incantatrix actually comes to mind here.)
2: Mostly relevant as relates to Globe of Invulnerability, Spell Turning, and similar effects that absorb/negate things based on spell levels.

herrhauptmann
2013-09-04, 12:51 AM
1: RAW, no. It's not the only PrC whose requirements have absolutely nothing to do with either its abilities or its fluff (Incantatrix actually comes to mind here.)

Now that you mention it, yeah, it doesn't match.
Both 3.0 and 3.5 versions of the prestige say something about destroying active portals. The 3.0 version at least lets you combat extra planars (sort of) with their see/strike ethereal or bonus to banishing attempts.

Crake
2013-09-04, 01:14 AM
Spell focus specifically doesn't apply to SLAs. However you could use ability focus to up the DC by 2 for all your wards.

Pickford
2013-09-04, 01:15 AM
1: RAW, no. It's not the only PrC whose requirements have absolutely nothing to do with either its abilities or its fluff (Incantatrix actually comes to mind here.)
2: Mostly relevant as relates to Globe of Invulnerability, Spell Turning, and similar effects that absorb/negate things based on spell levels.

Except you need 5 abjuration spells to get it ...so the entry requirements at least make those better.

Lactantius
2013-09-04, 01:49 PM
Ah well, I thought so, thanks!

I think I will suggest in our round to overwrite this rule with a houserule.
This would make the veils a bit stronger since their DC gets a +2, but after reevaluatiing the prestige class and the two (pretty weak) spell focus feats, I tend to give it the synergy for both.
Fluff and crunch would work hand-in-hand; in this case, giving the fluff of a defense and antimagic master a backup by the rules.

Since spell focus (abjuration) does not boost that many spells, it feels kinda okay for me.
Thoughts? Good idea?

supervillan
2013-09-04, 02:41 PM
Iot7V doesn't really need a free power boost. It's already very strong. The skill focus feat tax can be met by going into the class via Master Specialist.

Just my 2cp.

Zanfire
2013-09-04, 06:20 PM
can you get the veils persisted by any chance or cast into an eldrich tapestry?

Pickford
2013-09-04, 10:47 PM
can you get the veils persisted by any chance or cast into an eldrich tapestry?

They are SP special abilities, not spells.

That being said, I am playing an IotSV and I have yet to need more than the 3 wardings per day, and find I'm only occasionally using the Kaleidoscopic Doom. I would suggest picking up Vatic Gaze (feat from PHBII) or perhaps permancied Arcane Sight if you want to know who to use it on or when.

Abjuration is basically about being untouchable, that in mind I would be sure to pick up Prismatic Wall and/or Sphere. Nothing says: Nuh-uh like a virtually indestructible barrier.

Also because the Kaleidoscopic Doom is as a Greater Dispel Magic, the entry requirements would work on it. (Because GDM 'is' explicitly an abjuration spell)