Best +1 level metamagic enhacement for a Confusion spell?

[Blas_de_Lezo]

What's the best +1 level metamagic feat for a Confusion spell? Other than Heighten?

If I make Confusion my Arcane Thesis spell, what's then the best +2 enhacement metamagic feat?

Thanks in advance!

[Segev]

If it's your Arcane Thesis spell, Still and Heighten are both free, and allow you then to really befuddle people while being all innocent-seeming.


A single +1 metamagic, though...

Extending it can't hurt.

As for +2s...

Empower makes all variable, numeric effects get +50% to them. If the DM allows this to apply to the %ile roll to see what they do, it could push the numbers away from "attack you" and "act normally." But that's arguable.

[Blas_de_Lezo]

If it's your Arcane Thesis spell, Still and Heighten are both free, and allow you then to really befuddle people while being all innocent-seeming.


A single +1 metamagic, though...

Extending it can't hurt.

As for +2s...

Empower makes all variable, numeric effects get +50% to them. If the DM allows this to apply to the %ile roll to see what they do, it could push the numbers away from "attack you" and "act normally." But that's arguable.

And a +50% would mean a total +50% or just the half of what you get?

[Lapak]

Empower makes all variable, numeric effects get +50% to them. If the DM allows this to apply to the %ile roll to see what they do, it could push the numbers away from "attack you" and "act normally." But that's arguable.It isn't arguable, it's just wrong. The metamagic requires a numeric effect (like 10d6 damage) and none of the effects are numeric. The d% table just determines which effect you get, it isn't an effect itself.

[Segev]

Ah well, fair enough. I knew it was a stretch, at best.

[nedz]

Sculpt Spell is good for all AoEs

[TuggyNE]

If it's your Arcane Thesis spell, Still and Heighten are both free, and allow you then to really befuddle people while being all innocent-seeming.

AT won't work on Heighten, IIRC. Still is fine though.

[eggynack]

AT won't work on Heighten, IIRC. Still is fine though.
You recall correctly indeed. "When you apply any metamagic feats other than Heighten Spell to that spell, the enhanced spell uses up a spell slot one level lower than normal." (PHB II, 75)

[Morcleon]

Could get Arcane Thesis, Easy Metamagic, Practical Metamagic, and then tack on Irresistible Spell for a confusion spell without a save. :smallcool:

[Fax Celestis]

Repeat or Chain could be nice, though Chain is a +3. Repeat seems sort of mediocre except for the part where it forces a second save on a target that's failed.

Echoing is +3, but it means that you basically get two-for-one casting on confusion, since you'll get it back later but at -4 CL (which really doesn't matter on confusion). Extend is always a good option. Fortify gives you +2 to beat SR for every slot you increase the level by and doesn't have the pesky "doesn't work with Arcane Thesis" text that Heighten does.

[kaminiwa]

Disguise Spell is fun if you're trying to avoid notice. I use it with Detect Thoughts all the time, but I'm not playing a terribly Good-aligned character :smallwink:

[Khedrac]

Repeat or Chain could be nice, though Chain is a +3. Repeat seems sort of mediocre except for the part where it forces a second save on a target that's failed.
Repeat would be a mistake - and a big one. If they fail the first save the second save could easily be interpreted as an attack from you (which it is) and remove any chance of them doing anything other than attacking you...

[Segev]

AT won't work on Heighten, IIRC. Still is fine though.

gah. I meant "Still and Silent." I have no idea how I wrote "Heighten."

[Lostbutseeking]

Could get Arcane Thesis, Easy Metamagic, Practical Metamagic, and then tack on Irresistible Spell for a confusion spell without a save. :smallcool:

Irresistible spell got errated to be +10 DC instead of no save.

[Morcleon]

Irresistible spell got errated to be +10 DC instead of no save.

Really? That's a shame... :smalltongue:

Could just ignore the errata... >.>