SRD Gestalt

[DirtyMcR]

I come before you all hoping that you are capable of helping me and ideally following the few directions that have been given to me.
Campaign is as follows: SRD ONLY. There is one exception Races and templates are allowed from any official source. There is a Free +3 LA that we will be granted on creation due to small party size. (2 players + healbot if needed)

Material Allowed: SRD ONLY as the title implies.
UA variants in play: Gestalt, Defense Bonus, Reserve Points, Crafting Points.

The other player has expressed interest in being a melee powerhouse, so I was thinking spellcasting would be my department.
Starting at level 1:
Stats available are 18, 17, 16, 15, 14, 13
Maximum of 2 flaws.

Focusing on spellcasting, I was thinking sorc//paladin for the great saves, BAB, Full Casting, and Good HP.

First game session we should be making it to level 3 so a build to that point would be GREAT. Thanks a lot.

[Pilo]

I recommand the Phrenic Creature Template (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/phrenicCreature.htm) which is quite good for what you want to do on a Lizardfolk (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lizardfolk.htm) if you can get ride of the racial HD or on an Aasimar (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/planetouched.htm).

Lizardfolk will give you a lot of natural armor while Aasimar will give you the outsider type (for Alterself and polymorph abuse) and a little boost on charisma.

Or the Half-Dragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfDragon.htm) one.

[Fouredged Sword]

Casting is something great, but you don't need to go overboard on it. Sticking it on one side of a gestalt is generally all you need. With a small party I would look into versatility on the other side.

So for this I suggest the following

Human half silver dragon
Sorcerer 1 / bard 1

You want to go

Sorcerer 7 / loremaster 10 / sorcerer 3 // Bard 20

Another alternative is

Wizard 1 / Ranger 1 with a plan to go

Wizard 16 / archmage 4 // ranger 6 / arcane archer 10 / ranger 4

Half dragon is nice for both, expecialy starting at low levels. +8 strength is nice for bows (high str add to damage, and the +2 int, +2 cha is great for bards. +4 natural armor and +2 con is nice for everyone.

At low levels the 1/day 6d8 breath weapon is really nice.

See if you can talk the whole party into being the same TYPE of half dragon, so you all have breath weapons and are immune to the breath weapons of each other.

[DirtyMcR]

You really think that a skill monkey would be best on the other side? I assumed beastly saves and BAB with D10 HD would make for a much better gestalt side, and using the defense bonus having a class with heavy armor proficiency would make the character awesome especially with using a natural armor granting template.
Starting AC would be 23 (10 base+3 Dex+ 4 Natural+ 6 Defense Bonus)
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/defenseBonus.htm
At that rate, I'm looking at throwing monk into the mix.

[danzibr]

Sorcadin is pretty solid, but you don't want many levels of pally.

If you're thinking caster... Rogue//Psion could be good. Hmm.

[Doc_Maynot]

Spellwarped (+4 STR +2 DEX +4 CON +4 INT +3 LA MM3)
Primordial (Secrets of Xen'drix) Menta Cyclopean (Dungeon Magazine #323) (+0LA +4INT +4CHA) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301651)
Wizard / Arcane Spellcaster
With a goal of Wizard 15/Arcane Spellcaster 20/Archmage 5
Have more info on the Spellwarped template if wanted.

[Silva Stormrage]

Spellwarped (+4 STR +2 DEX +4 CON +4 INT +3 LA MM3)
Primordial (Secrets of Xen'drix) Menta Cyclopean (Dungeon Magazine #323) (+0LA +4INT +4CHA) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301651)
Wizard / Arcane Spellcaster
With a goal of Wizard 15/Arcane Spellcaster 20/Archmage 5
Have more info on the Spellwarped template if wanted.

SRD only implies SRD for templates too.


How bout a phenric Psion/Thrallherd//Wizard?

With thrallherd you can call a thrall with any spell you want. If the DM rules that they don't start with magic items or spell books (RAW They do I believe). Then you can still effectively get any spell you want by just having the thrall scribing a scroll and having your main character scribe it into his book.

Psion is actually very good at absorbing damage. Share Pain + Vigor is amazing. In addition, you can get extra actions with schism and your domination is pretty good too.

[Doc_Maynot]

SRD only implies SRD for templates too.


How bout a phenric Psion/Thrallherd//Wizard?

With thrallherd you can call a thrall with any spell you want. If the DM rules that they don't start with magic items or spell books (RAW They do I believe). Then you can still effectively get any spell you want by just having the thrall scribing a scroll and having your main character scribe it into his book.

Psion is actually very good at absorbing damage. Share Pain + Vigor is amazing. In addition, you can get extra actions with schism and your domination is pretty good too.

Actually he said there is an exception to races and templates. :smallbiggrin:

[Silva Stormrage]

Actually he said there is an exception to races and templates. :smallbiggrin:

... I have no idea how I missed that. Never mind then. :smallbiggrin:

[dspeyer]

If I'm reading the defense bonus rules correctly, you only need one level in paladin to get the full defense bonus forever. A second for saves. After that, you can go ranger or bard depending on whether you prefer a solid chassis or somewhat redundant spellcasting.

Not sure what to recommend for LA. Can you go pixie and put tge left over LA on the noncasting side?

[DirtyMcR]

Actually leaning towards a rogue//wizard. It's a slightly better BAB and a slight armor bonus, the DM's pet peeve is dipping into classes. Will allow up to 3 base classes and 2 prestige classes. Thinking either a dwarf or human. If a dwarf, probably going to be heading Dwarven Defender, if a human, looking at blade dancer or duelist. The bladedancer has the hit and run tactic going for it while DD has a hardy d12 HD and the Duelist, with an automatic 18 minimum of Int, it is worthwhile.