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Marnath
2013-09-07, 08:15 PM
Discussion of the Goblins Comic (http://www.goblinscomic.com/). We do it here.

Previous threads:

Goblins Thread 0 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53552)
Goblins I (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91562)
Goblins II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119947)
GoblIIIns (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160611)
Goblins IV: Live Free or Die Horribly (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176739)
Goblins V: It's Hard-Kore! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184044)
Goblins VI: How Many Fingers Am I Holding Up? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195334)
Goblins VII: I'm TOTALLY Gonna Pee On This Thing! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212057)
Goblins VIII: This Thread Contains An Unexpected Variable (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225970)
Goblins IX: For that, you shall DIE! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245780)
Goblins X: Orcs fall, everybody dies (horribly) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260383)
Goblins XI: There ARE Goblins In This Comic, Right? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281797)

Current information on Axe Of Prissan wielders:
Wielders of the Axe of Prissan
Starting with the most recent

Big Ears - Male Goblin Paladin. One of the protagonists of the story and current wielder of the axe.
Saral Caine* - Evil Male Half Stone Giant/Half Human. Ally of Dellyn Goblinslayer and minor antagonist in the Brassmoon arc.
Dri Featherknife (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4901/20101224.jpg) - Female Human Rogue/Paladin. She was killed by Goblinslayer and Saral Caine after uncovering their plot to frame the sherrif of Brassmoon for murder.
Flejj Hillmover - Male Dwarf. He fought Kore twice and survived. His family was not so lucky. He shaved his beard in shame.

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Felsibeth "Soot" Blackbringer (http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7670/20101022m.jpg) - Young Female Human Paladin. Youngest to ever wield the axe.
Kelstride Blackbringer - Male Human Paladin. Soot's Father. Former chimney sweep. Killed by a Kobold stampede.
Drose (http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2448/20101221.jpg) - Genderless Golem Paladin. Drose passed the Axe to Kelstride Blackbringer to prevent the demon imprisoned within from taking control of his body.
Eled of the East - "Fat, over confident" Paladin. Was given the axe by Myorg.
Mryorg (http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8533/20110705.jpg)* - Evil Male Ogre. Beat (but did not kill) Vilias Red in combat and took the Axe from her. Used it to cause great suffering before eventually giving it to Elad purely to make the demon contained within suffer after coming so close to freedom.
Vilias Red* (http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8683/20110503s.jpg) - Female Human Rogue. Was friends with Tivoth Fastfoot and took the axe after Tivoth died in battle with the intention of giving it to another Paladin.
Tivoth Fastfoot - Male Paladin. Encountered Vilias Red looting a corpse and assumed she had murdered the man. Once he realized she was innocent, the two became friends and traveled together.

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Kevitch Gritland* (http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1407/20101207.jpg) - Evil Male... formerly... Human maybe... Fighter/Wizard. Horribly mutated by an evil swamp. Killed Eldrock Cloudcry and claimed the axe as his own.
Eldrock Cloudcry - Known in name only.

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Cal (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/910/20101228.jpg) - Male Gnome Paladin. Egotistic gambler. Had a powerful, icy magic effect.
Jelbin Crae - Male Human Paladin. Gave Cal the Axe willingly. Nothing else is known.

*Confirmed non-Paladin

Individual Magic Effects (IME's)
One of the more frequent sources of confusion is what people are talking about when we're referring to IME's. Here is the comic's explaination of what they are (http://www.goblinscomic.com/08042006/). And now you know.


Shield of Wonder Effects List
Shield of Wonder page 1
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Shield of Wonder page 9
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Gift Jeraff
2013-09-07, 08:34 PM
http://youtu.be/9vkIxKsF88k

TheSummoner
2013-09-07, 08:53 PM
http://youtu.be/9vkIxKsF88k

Yes. Yes it was.

mattie_p
2013-09-07, 09:51 PM
http://youtu.be/9vkIxKsF88k

I believe that Psi-Max thought the same way. But look who proved right in the end. :smallwink:

Traab
2013-09-08, 06:03 AM
I just love the fact that we are on the 6th thread since minmax and crew entered the maze of many (at least, they may have entered before the thread, "Im totally going to pee on this" ) and we are still there! Even if we wrap up fast it will still likely be several weeks or more before they actually leave.

BannedInSchool
2013-09-08, 08:26 PM
"Discount" limb replacement seems more humorous to me, but I guess less applicable to the comic. They are getting them all for free, though. :smallsmile:

Anteros
2013-09-08, 11:37 PM
So here's a squicky thought. Kin's entire lower body has been magically replaced. I wonder if she can still reproduce.

Rosstin
2013-09-09, 03:12 AM
...probably? Seems a bit unlikely that Kin is ever reproducing, but you never know. Also depends on whatever kind of bizarre Yuan-Ti biology is going on.

I'm guessing, because it's Thunt's world... yes she can still reproduce.

CRtwenty
2013-09-09, 03:40 AM
...probably? Seems a bit unlikely that Kin is ever reproducing, but you never know. Also depends on whatever kind of bizarre Yuan-Ti biology is going on.

I'm guessing, because it's Thunt's world... yes she can still reproduce.

I'd assume whatever regeneration effect she just had probably fixed any damage to her baby making parts. Of course the real question is not "can she still reproduce?" but "can she reproduce with a human?"

I'm hoping for "yes" because half snake Kin/Min-Max babies is just too adorable a concept not to run with.

Killer Angel
2013-09-09, 06:34 AM
Ah, new thread! sweet... :smallsmile:



I'm hoping for "yes" because half snake Kin/Min-Max babies is just too adorable a concept not to run with.

I've traded my ability to talk in a non-verbose way, for a +1 in tail wrestling!

Gift Jeraff
2013-09-09, 08:31 AM
I've traded my ability to talk in a non-verbose way, for a +1 in tail wrestling!

Minmax chasing dat tail.

CRtwenty
2013-09-10, 12:13 AM
Damn, if the new comic had been posted just a few days earlier the title of this thread could have been "Taking the Pity Win".

Damn it. :smallyuk:

Killer Angel
2013-09-10, 12:42 AM
Damn, if the new comic had been posted just a few days earlier the title of this thread could have been "Taking the Pity Win".

Damn it. :smallyuk:

Marnath can still change it...

The Linker
2013-09-10, 02:13 AM
C'mon, we've got to stop arguing about the thread title sometime. It's just a title. :smalltongue:

Anyway, that is pretty neat, about the keys. I can't believe no one here ever noticed that. The same damn key, this entire time...

Personally I'm thinking making it a manual reset is going to go poorly. If they die due to dumb luck, well...?

Morquard
2013-09-10, 02:24 AM
Also... they keep their memories of each other. Ok that sounds great.

But if Ruby or Onyx dies then Saphire will forget about them. All about them. Then next turn she wakes up with them... and knows nothing about who they are, because her memory got reset.

As for the manual reset: I believe that's supposed to mean "for this run". So they can let our FMK team win, then still have all the time they need to make the necessary changes to the machine, without being in a hurry.
It would indeed be very stupid to not have some sort of failsafe. Even if that one is "As soon as all 3 of us are dead, reset the damn thing". Kinda unfair to the other teams, but lets be honest, if they cared about fairness, they'd not do this.

Onyx and Saphire were here with teammates, correct? Alright Saphire forgot about them, but Onyx didn't. What happens to those guys? They're suddenly short their Kin, which will probably result in them getting killed? What if the three Kins run into one of their old team?

Puschkin
2013-09-10, 02:43 AM
What do the last panels mean? Do they find another key ... in the final room? Or is that a flashback and ... and Minmax took a key and lies about it!?

Also, how can our Forgath, Kin and Minmax have run through the Maze a million times? I mean, there are supposed to be real players behind them somewhere, real players don't play a million times.

Please, end this Maze of Many BS as quickly as possible.

mucat
2013-09-10, 02:49 AM
Onyx and Saphire were here with teammates, correct? Alright Saphire forgot about them, but Onyx didn't. What happens to those guys? They're suddenly short their Kin, which will probably result in them getting killed? What if the three Kins run into one of their old team?
At any point they choose, the Kins can do a run where they help one of their old teams to victory, and clear that team out of the maze for good. For that matter, they may take pity on other teams that have been trapped for millions of runs like our primary group, and nudge reality in their favor.

All in all, I imagine the maze denizens will be better off with three mostly-benign local demigods than they would have been with the place running "normally".

Morquard
2013-09-10, 05:14 AM
What do the last panels mean? Do they find another key ... in the final room? Or is that a flashback and ... and Minmax took a key and lies about it!?
It's a flashback to here (http://www.goblinscomic.org/01272012/)

They used the Key to open the chest (Where Minmax found Oblivious and the armor) but left the key there then, I suppose.
Also there were other keys already in the chest too.


Also, how can our Forgath, Kin and Minmax have run through the Maze a million times? I mean, there are supposed to be real players behind them somewhere, real players don't play a million times.
I'm fairly sure the comic does not describe an actual session, unless there's a joke to be made, but like with the 3 drows.

I always thought the comic kinda describes what Monsters and PCs do between sessions or during timeskips. "So, after your last adventure it's been 2 years. You've been living in the small town of Whatchamacallit and now you're getting called back to action when your old buddy shows up, telling you about that super-evil demi god that wants to destroy the world."
The comic is basically about what the characters would have done in those two years.

Amoras
2013-09-10, 06:24 AM
I'm hoping for "yes" because half snake Kin/Min-Max babies is just too adorable a concept not to run with.

Im going with "No" since Dellyn used to rape her alot and i doubt he used protection.

The idea of kids there ughh...

Marnath
2013-09-10, 07:11 AM
Marnath can still change it...

I'm not going to though. This one won the vote, and I like it. :smalltongue:

TheEmerged
2013-09-10, 07:21 AM
I for one prefer the current title.

memnarch
2013-09-10, 09:50 AM
Wonder if they're going to remember psimax will likely respawn, either this run as a contingency or next run with them.

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-10, 09:54 AM
Didn't Minmax say something about killing Psimax twice once?

BannedInSchool
2013-09-10, 10:07 AM
Also, how can our Forgath, Kin and Minmax have run through the Maze a million times? I mean, there are supposed to be real players behind them somewhere, real players don't play a million times.
Amnesia + time skip. This can still be the first time the players have been through the Maze, even if their characters have been through it a million times.

"You wake up with no memory of the past ten thousand years." :smallwink:

Lord Torath
2013-09-10, 10:49 AM
Wonder if they're going to remember psimax will likely respawn, either this run as a contingency or next run with them.This is why they need to toss Psimax's body into an Oblivion Hole...

Traab
2013-09-10, 12:56 PM
This is why they need to toss Psimax's body into an Oblivion Hole...

That isnt guaranteed to work. Those holes arent true oblivion.

Morquard
2013-09-10, 05:31 PM
Oh I know what would be awesome:
The re-program the maze so that Psimax forgets, but his teammates remember. :)

Zazu Yen
2013-09-11, 01:41 AM
Oh I know what would be awesome:
The re-program the maze so that Psimax forgets, but his teammates remember. :)

That would be most awesome, but it would also have to strip his powers or with his teammates immune to them because otherwise they would still die. He's just too powerful.

They have to completely neutralize him in some way, just to be sure he doesn't have a chance of regaining control.

Douglas
2013-09-11, 01:52 AM
That would be most awesome, but it would also have to strip his powers or with his teammates immune to them because otherwise they would still die. He's just too powerful.

They have to completely neutralize him in some way, just to be sure he doesn't have a chance of regaining control.
Simple. Take however much time is needed to rearrange things so his weakness is his own reality's number.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-11, 08:17 AM
Update (http://www.goblinscomic.org/)


H'uh, even i didn't realize that chest key could also be used for the victory door, that's pretty clever actually, give the parties a surefire way of opening the door to the exit, but tempt them to take their chances in the tower room with powerful magic items. They'll still have to go through the tower room even if they don't take the magic items, however if somebody managed to snag the right key before them then they still had a chance. But WITH the magic items, they would have a significantly larger chance of surviving the tower room, however they would be at the mercy of fortune should somebody else get the correct key first. Brilliant! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekAxwF-_JNc)


And apparently loosing almost two million times is NOT a normal thing to happen:smalltongue:

Traab
2013-09-11, 01:02 PM
Ok, I can see the keys popping up, but what hints that you should hold onto them did we miss?

Hackman
2013-09-11, 01:37 PM
Ok, I can see the keys popping up, but what hints that you should hold onto them did we miss?

Well, in an adventure game you should grab everything that is not nailed down (until you find a claw hammer to remove the nails).

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-11, 01:52 PM
yeah i just re-read through the thing involving the chest and Zomgath, MuteMax, and Scorpikin, and i can't tell either. all four keys have the eye symbol that was stated to be the correct one for the door, but there weren't any clues stating that it would help you later on that i could see. Maybe our group just got unlucky in that aspect.

BannedInSchool
2013-09-11, 03:58 PM
"Geeze, guys. I said, 'You see ANOTHER one of those keys with the eye on the handle.' Do you need an angel with a trumpet?" :smallwink:

TheEmerged
2013-09-11, 09:42 PM
"Geeze, guys. I said, 'You see ANOTHER one of those keys with the eye on the handle.' Do you need an angel with a trumpet?" :smallwink:

I've run into player groups that would have tried to attack the angel to loot the trumpet... :smallwink:

Tavar
2013-09-12, 01:33 AM
Well, in an adventure game you should grab everything that is not nailed down (until you find a claw hammer to remove the nails).

Except, from what we've seen in this universe(where Dungeons follow the ToH model), doing so would be a really, really bad idea.

CRtwenty
2013-09-12, 03:55 AM
Except, from what we've seen in this universe(where Dungeons follow the ToH model), doing so would be a really, really bad idea.

I agree. Touching random things in Thunt's dungeons seems like an easy way to TPK.

Killer Angel
2013-09-12, 06:26 AM
"Geeze, guys. I said, 'You see ANOTHER one of those keys with the eye on the handle.' Do you need an angel with a trumpet?" :smallwink:

200 foot tall flaming letters would be nice, also.

HandofShadows
2013-09-12, 08:03 AM
I agree. Touching random things in Thunt's dungeons seems like an easy way to TPK.

Just BREATHING inside one of Thunt's dungeons seems like a easy way to TPK. :smalleek:

Gez
2013-09-12, 09:54 AM
How to make a dungeon like Thunt:

1. There are odd gizmos everywhere in the dungeon. For this example, we'll go with grotesque statuettes that are behind puzzle-locked forcefields.
2. Touching a statuette kills you (no save).
3. Touching a puzzle lock kills you (no save) unless you solve the puzzle in less than 97 rounds for the first. Each subsequent lock has its timer lowered to the next smaller prime number. (Because it's logical, see?)
4. One of the statuettes has a missing tooth. Touching it does not kill you.
5. However, all the statuettes are put with their face to the wall, so you won't know which one is the not-killing-you one.
6. Merely approaching the dungeon starts a timer that will kill you (no save) unless you touch the toothless statuette first.
7. This is all explained by an NPC that is at the very end of the dungeon, guarded by a monster with a CR that is the triple of the sum of your party members' level.
8. Also, the NPC is super-ultra cooler than any of your characters, so the story will be about him from now on.

t209
2013-09-12, 10:10 AM
http://www.goblinscomic.org/09092013/
So what the key was supposed to be about and why Min Max hid it?

snoopy13a
2013-09-12, 10:21 AM
How to make a dungeon like Thunt:

1. There are odd gizmos everywhere in the dungeon. For this example, we'll go with grotesque statuettes that are behind puzzle-locked forcefields.
2. Touching a statuette kills you (no save).
3. Touching a puzzle lock kills you (no save) unless you solve the puzzle in less than 97 rounds for the first. Each subsequent lock has its timer lowered to the next smaller prime number. (Because it's logical, see?)
4. One of the statuettes has a missing tooth. Touching it does not kill you.
5. However, all the statuettes are put with their face to the wall, so you won't know which one is the not-killing-you one.
6. Merely approaching the dungeon starts a timer that will kill you (no save) unless you touch the toothless statuette first.
7. This is all explained by an NPC that is at the very end of the dungeon, guarded by a monster with a CR that is the triple of the sum of your party members' level.
8. Also, the NPC is super-ultra cooler than any of your characters, so the story will be about him from now on.

Which begs the question: Why didn't I stay in Brassmoon City, where it is safe? Oh wait . . . :smalltongue:

I think a Thunt game would have enemies who are much more powerful than you, but you'd always win through "lucky" rolling. Although, you'd probably lose an arm or an eye or something like that. I imagine PCs in Thunt's game end up looking like caricatures of pirates.

sihnfahl
2013-09-12, 10:31 AM
I imagine PCs in Thunt's game end up looking like caricatures of pirates.
Or your stereotypical Shadowrun Street Samurai.

"I got a new arm and leg out of this run!"

"But it's metal..."

"Ain't it cool?"

BannedInSchool
2013-09-12, 10:42 AM
http://www.goblinscomic.org/09092013/
So what the key was supposed to be about and why Min Max hid it?
Those are flashbacks to the party encountering multiple keys to the treasure room sprinkled throughout the dungeon but not seeing them as important, or just not noticing them at all.

Kornaki
2013-09-12, 04:17 PM
Going off on a random sidebar, but I just noticed

http://www.goblinscomic.org/02182011-3/

we are introduced to psimax one panel earlier than I realized.

Also aww, we have another Kin with a Ken necklace

http://www.goblinscomic.org/07222011/

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-12, 08:28 PM
oh hey! I can see old updates again now!

Update clock has entirely vanished however.

Lord Torath
2013-09-13, 01:50 PM
So when do you think we'll get an updated Archives page? The last entry is Minmax vs the Psion from 4 June 2013.

Vknight
2013-09-13, 02:20 PM
How to make a dungeon like Thunt:

1. There are odd gizmos everywhere in the dungeon. For this example, we'll go with grotesque statuettes that are behind puzzle-locked forcefields.
2. Touching a statuette kills you (no save).
3. Touching a puzzle lock kills you (no save) unless you solve the puzzle in less than 97 rounds for the first. Each subsequent lock has its timer lowered to the next smaller prime number. (Because it's logical, see?)
4. One of the statuettes has a missing tooth. Touching it does not kill you.
5. However, all the statuettes are put with their face to the wall, so you won't know which one is the not-killing-you one.
6. Merely approaching the dungeon starts a timer that will kill you (no save) unless you touch the toothless statuette first.
7. This is all explained by an NPC that is at the very end of the dungeon, guarded by a monster with a CR that is the triple of the sum of your party members' level.
8. Also, the NPC is super-ultra cooler than any of your characters, so the story will be about him from now on.

The Thunt Gming method also called sitting in a room alone rolling dice.
And the unfortunate souls to enter this room have to suffer from nonsense and power abuse.

So normal 2nd Edition Gming Method

Anteros
2013-09-13, 11:42 PM
I don't think it's so bad. Sure, he gives out some difficult challenges...but he also gives out artifact grade gear to level 2 characters.

In the end...aside from Minmax and Forgath, most of the characters do not have a DM babying them to make sure their encounters are the appropriate level. He is trying to simulate a real world, not a DnD game. It makes sense that some encounters would be above CR.

I doubt he would GM a real game the way he writes his comic.

IW Judicator
2013-09-14, 12:26 PM
Well, in an adventure game you should grab everything that is not nailed down (until you find a claw hammer to remove the nails).

Which just leaves anything that is both nailed down AND on fire...probably.

Traab
2013-09-14, 02:05 PM
Back to the comic, I dont understand why minmax and forgath seem so surprised that the tri kins are giving the win tot hem, dont they KNOW the tri kins were planning on doing repeats? I could have sworn they stated this on a couple of occasions before now.

Douglas
2013-09-14, 02:22 PM
Back to the comic, I dont understand why minmax and forgath seem so surprised that the tri kins are giving the win tot hem, dont they KNOW the tri kins were planning on doing repeats? I could have sworn they stated this on a couple of occasions before now.
The tri kins only explained that once before, and only Kin was present for it.

Maryring
2013-09-14, 03:17 PM
I've far more issue with how this last comic has no progress, and only serves to paint our group as morons. Sure, the fact that they failed almost two million times before this was already mentioned, but the sheer level of their incompetence needn't be repeated. And there were absolutely no hints regarding the keys being useful later on, so making them out to be fools for not grasping hints that never existed was unneccessary. Also also, the new comic was pushed back four hours. This makes me sad. Gonna have to wait much longer to view the comic then, since I won't have net access when those four hours are up.:smallfrown:

YeahThatGuy
2013-09-14, 11:07 PM
New comic.
Whhhy? Let it end!

TheSummoner
2013-09-14, 11:11 PM
Fingers crossed for an anticlimax kill where he dies in the most pathetic way possible.

IW Judicator
2013-09-14, 11:15 PM
So...how soon can we complete a list of 38 ways of setting Psimax on fire and getting this over and done with?

AdmiralCheez
2013-09-14, 11:16 PM
I'm thinking they should just run for it and win the maze while the tri-kin group holds him off. That would the quickest way to end it, at least.

Brance_a_Lot
2013-09-14, 11:20 PM
Well We know the next time he grabs his sword is when they meet the goblins,
So here's to hoping the next battle will be quick!

Chilingsworth
2013-09-15, 12:22 AM
I'm thinking they should just run for it and win the maze while the tri-kin group holds him off. That would the quickest way to end it, at least.

Another option:

Remember: the maze is on manual reset. So, if they could force psimax to win this round, he'd be gone from the maze, and they'd be able to arrange things so they all keep their memories. (Or maybe exit themselves?) After all, the fact that you can't reenter the maze was just revealed. There's a good chance it'll become plot relevant, right?

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-15, 01:25 AM
Damn it! I considered that a possibility, but I hoped it wouldn't be true.

Well, perhaps this will expedite their retreat, as he's virtually invulnerable now.

Douglas
2013-09-15, 02:14 AM
Damn it! I considered that a possibility, but I hoped it wouldn't be true.

Well, perhaps this will expedite their retreat, as he's virtually invulnerable now.
He's still got the 38 weakness and they all (well, except Minmax) know it. 4 Kins might be able to come up with something to use that.

Killer Angel
2013-09-15, 03:42 AM
Please, the door is open, get out of that place asap NOW.


Fingers crossed for an anticlimax kill where he dies in the most pathetic way possible.

Unlikely, but that would also be satisfying.

Psychonaut
2013-09-15, 05:43 AM
In the words of a great lizard...

"Heh heh. Who else saw this coming a mile away?"

http://i.imgur.com/IvjwpTi.png

Also, it appears that everyone's favorite villain is actually a digitigrade?

Traab
2013-09-15, 07:11 AM
Damn it! I considered that a possibility, but I hoped it wouldn't be true.

Well, perhaps this will expedite their retreat, as he's virtually invulnerable now.

Except for his total vulnerability to 38. And yeah, im thinking they force him to "win" and because its a manual reset they can send minmax and crew out of there as well. The whole comment on how you cant reenter was way to clearly introduced specifically for that.

Dienekes
2013-09-15, 08:29 AM
Why? It was going to be over. We were maybe going to go see some goblins again. We would be done with this overlong section. Done forever. There was going to be sunshine, and rainbows, and cake. Now? No. Now we're still here with PsiMax.

BannedInSchool
2013-09-15, 09:06 AM
Thunt tweets to hold out on the, "Oh COME ON! Seriously?!" for the next page. :smallbiggrin:

TheSummoner
2013-09-15, 09:44 AM
Then he's probably going somewhere with this and the payoff will be worth it.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-15, 09:46 AM
Oh will all of you get over it already!? We could all easily tell he was being brought back so guess what!? he's back! Just keep yer traps shut and let the comic finish on it's own already.

Dienekes
2013-09-15, 10:07 AM
Oh will all of you get over it already!? We could all easily tell he was being brought back so guess what!? he's back! Just keep yer traps shut and let the comic finish on it's own already.

I didn't actually, which makes this reveal fairly annoying. And please do not tell me to 'keep my trap shut.' I find this story arc boring, I was teased with it's final conclusion and then had it brought back. I have every right to be annoyed, just as you have every right to enjoy this reveal. If you came up saying how much you liked this twist, I would disagree with you, but I wouldn't tell you to shut up.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-15, 10:22 AM
it's very clear that this is story arc is just about over, and it can't last forever. just let the comic play out.

LoneStarNorth
2013-09-15, 10:25 AM
Also, it appears that everyone's favorite villain is actually a digitigrade?

I think his right leg is just pointed towards us while he's standing on his toes. Hard to tell with no shading.

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-15, 11:00 AM
Psimax is looking very purple, isn't he?

The Linker
2013-09-15, 01:10 PM
Awww, yeah. Weren't we just saying how the one thing we wished we'd gotten to see from PsiMax when he was alive was some fanservice? Woooo! Be still, my heart.


Psimax is looking very purple, isn't he?

As is how the reconstruction works. Takes from their IME, etc. etc.


Well We know the next time he grabs his sword is when they meet the goblins,
So here's to hoping the next battle will be quick!

Minmax specifically can't summon the sword in front of PsiMax, though, lest terrible things happen. So that doesn't tell us much. I do think it'll be over fairly quickly regardless, though.


I am OK with PsiMax getting a few more words in edgewise, here. What he got previously didn't feel like a proper death scene, to me...

Mando Knight
2013-09-15, 01:16 PM
What he got previously didn't feel like a proper death scene, to me...

I felt like he didn't deserve one.

Morquard
2013-09-15, 01:32 PM
Except for his total vulnerability to 38. And yeah, im thinking they force him to "win" and because its a manual reset they can send minmax and crew out of there as well. The whole comment on how you cant reenter was way to clearly introduced specifically for that.

That... actually might be a possiblity. From what it was explained the first one to enter the circle "wins", right? And they just opened the door, so all the gotta do is kick Psimax into one .

PePe QuiCoSE
2013-09-15, 01:50 PM
http://youtu.be/9vkIxKsF88k
Deserves repetition.
But now we also get full body replacement.

Alias
2013-09-15, 02:14 PM
This is where I close the page and dismiss the author as a hack. See y'all in other threads.

Anteros
2013-09-15, 03:49 PM
Oh will all of you get over it already!? We could all easily tell he was being brought back so guess what!? he's back! Just keep yer traps shut and let the comic finish on it's own already.

Seriously. Stop it. You are constantly trying to control what people are allowed to talk about in the thread. That's neither your responsibility, nor your right. If people want to talk about things you don't like, then that's their choice. No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to read the thread.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-15, 04:17 PM
:smallsigh: i am not trying to control anybody, i am merely asking that everyone calm down. yes, psimax is back, that's nice. please get over it now. you don't need to throw a hissyfit because a character you didn't like came back for what could likely be only one or two more pages.

NEO|Phyte
2013-09-15, 04:18 PM
Not normally one to go about saying that I called it, but I totally called it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15699475&postcount=1056). There was basically no other reasonable purpose for the widget, especially considering it was separate from the rest of his reality widget. As boring as Psimax may be, it's nice to see a nigh-invulnerable bad guy that's smart enough to plan for if someone works out the nigh part.

Mando Knight
2013-09-15, 04:22 PM
Thunt tweets to hold out on the, "Oh COME ON! Seriously?!" for the next page. :smallbiggrin:

Which means that either he gets taken down like a punk again (which he deserves), or he gets more annoying, thus being more deserving of everyone going "Oh, COME ON!" than just his resurrection (which itself was clever, though wasted on the Bad Math Nihilist).

BannedInSchool
2013-09-15, 05:16 PM
Which means that either he gets taken down like a punk again (which he deserves), or he gets more annoying, thus being more deserving of everyone going "Oh, COME ON!" than just his resurrection (which itself was clever, though wasted on the Bad Math Nihilist).
I'm having a bit of fun with his exact wording. I really read it as the first.

So let's talk about having PsiMax's Purple Penis shoved in our faces like that instead. :smallbiggrin:

The Linker
2013-09-15, 07:12 PM
Honestly, I thought Goblinslayer surviving his encounter with Thaco was pretty lame, but it led to a freaking awesome scene and bit of plot development. So I'm content to see where this goes.


:smallsigh: i am not trying to control anybody,

'Keep your traps shut' is explicitly that. You told certain people to stop voicing their opinion. There's... there's no other way to read that.

Gift Jeraff
2013-09-15, 07:26 PM
Maybe it'll turn out that the special material is vulnerable to itself (seems like a Thunt-y quality), so Kin smacks Psimax with her tail, badly damaging both him and her tail, then Forgath goes in for the final blow by smacking Psimax's head off with his beard. Then they make it so none of them forget, throw Psimax's corpse into the winner's circle so he returns to his reality and rots in hell. Montage of "our" reality beating the dungeon. Jade Teapot stuff, etc.

And by the time we see the Goblin Adventuring Party again, we will be at the last page of this thread. :smallamused:

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-15, 07:37 PM
'Keep your traps shut' is explicitly that. You told certain people to stop voicing their opinion. There's... there's no other way to read that.

Alright well fair enough, still doesn't justify everyone overreacting to such a little thing as *GASP!* an arc villain returning for a most-likely brief time while still in the same arc.

I mean heck, we all know Iím not a fan of homestuck's lord english, but you don't see me frothing at the mouth every time he makes an appearance. Sure Iíll express my distaste for him and possibly explain why i dislike him, but i don't threaten to up and leave the comic just because he shows up for a single page, and i certainly don't act like the end of the world when the comic continues to not return to my preferred villain of jack noir.

SaintRidley
2013-09-15, 08:09 PM
Maybe since he's an animated IME he can't actually do anything? Who knows? This is Thunt, and anything can happen.

Yuki Akuma
2013-09-15, 08:15 PM
Minmax did promise to kill him twice, you know. How could he do that if Psimax didn't get resurrected once?

Traab
2013-09-15, 08:26 PM
Minmax did promise to kill him twice, you know. How could he do that if Psimax didn't get resurrected once?

Minmax: "Excellent!"

Everyone else, including Psimax: /WTF stare

Minmax: "What? I SAID I would kill him twice for what he did to Kin. I wouldnt have liked being made into a liar." /cracks his knuckles

On a more serious note, didnt the timer not move until they used it on forgath? If thats the case, then when would psimax have been reborn? I honestly dont understand its purpose. I mean, as a technique to heal himself should he take battle damage its awesome, but if the timer doesnt start until someone activates it, its a fairly worthless tool for if he dies. I mean, it only worked because they had three people with battle damage to heal to speed up the timer who ALSO were at his machine thats in a hidden chamber they only could enter because psimax had a brain fart and left the melted hole in the wall for some reason.

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-15, 08:36 PM
I just wanna throw out the possibility that diplomacy might win the day here.

PsiMax is a tremendous bastard, but it's not really in his best interests to fight the group anymore. Even if they can't kill him, he's now seen that it's basically impossible to force Minmax to draw Oblivious, so he won't be able to study it. And if he can't study it, he can't account for it in his calculations. So from PsiMax's point of view, the easiest thing to do is simply let them go. They're at the finish line already, and they can't come back if they leave.

But why strike a deal with PsiMax? Like I said, he was insanely powerful to begin with, and he's basically invulnerable now. He doesn't intend to destroy the universe, just the Maze of Many, which would actually be a net win for reality as a whole since most of the alternate adventuring parties are really evil. That means the three Kins won't be able to run the Maze as many times as they like, but perhaps they'll see that they just can't win here.

I'm not saying this will definitely happen, but it's an option.

Kornaki
2013-09-15, 09:15 PM
He doesn't intend to destroy the universe, just the Maze of Many, which would actually be a net win for reality as a whole since most of the alternate adventuring parties are really evil.

Kin said that's because most of the multiverse is evil. We don't know whether the adventuring parties are more or less evil on a whole so basically you're just destroying random chunks of reality and claiming it's good because more of it's evil than not. Also known as the V (non)-defense

Dienekes
2013-09-15, 10:35 PM
:smallsigh: i am not trying to control anybody, i am merely asking that everyone calm down. yes, psimax is back, that's nice. please get over it now. you don't need to throw a hissyfit because a character you didn't like came back for what could likely be only one or two more pages.

You didn't ask, you told. That's the annoying part.

If people are leaving because of this scene (and I am not one of them, though I would be lying if I said I wasn't close) then it's pretty obvious they have some flaws with the comic in question more than just this one page. Besides this is the thread where we are supposed to discuss our opinions on the increasingly inaccurately titled Goblins webcomic. Not just the good ones, not just the patient ones, but the opinions.

Mine current opinion is one of exasperation. I'm tired of this arc, and I'm bored of Minmax/Kin's little story (Did Forgath get any development in this outing? Since he decided to stand up to Minmax to not kill Kin all those months ago?). Finding the twists annoying, the characters dull, and the pacing snail speed are as legitimate comments as any I've seen given by you.

Now if you would like to discuss these opinions and how you think they are incorrect, by all means do. That is what the thread is about, and I can definitely be proven wrong. But don't disregard my criticisms by backhandedly calling the reaction of several forum posters a hissyfit, and do not tell us what we can and can not discuss. I, for one, find when people tell me what to do in this way just eggs me on to keep doing it.

CRtwenty
2013-09-16, 01:37 AM
I don't think Psi-Max is going to last very long, my guess is less than two pages before he either gets killed off for real, or sent back to his home reality via "winning" the maze.

Personally I like Kin, Min-Max, and Forgath way more than any of the other characters in the comic, so I'm enjoying the arc being drawn out more. The GAP bores me, and Dies suffers from a severe case of "the random NPCs are more interesting than me" syndrome.

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-16, 02:07 AM
Personally I like Kin, Min-Max, and Forgath way more than any of the other characters in the comic, so I'm enjoying the arc being drawn out more. The GAP bores me, and Dies suffers from a severe case of "the random NPCs are more interesting than me" syndrome.

Interesting isn't it how the non-Goblin party in Goblins ends up being the best party by far? :smallcool:

archon_huskie
2013-09-16, 03:03 AM
Oh will all of you get over it already!? We could all easily tell he was being brought back so guess what!? he's back! Just keep yer traps shut and let the comic finish on it's own already.

He's not wrong.


He's also right.

VariaVespasa
2013-09-16, 05:02 AM
Virtually invulnerable is not completely invulnerable. And I wouldnt be surprised if some things didnt make it through his reincarnation. Perhaps his number invulnerability has been reset or somesuch. But either a Kin has done something that borks him, or will get the chance to very soon, or he will negotiate. Any way you slice it it has to go fast.

t209
2013-09-16, 10:57 AM
http://www.goblinscomic.org/09142013/
So,
is the psionic MinMax, again, vulnerable to water now?

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-16, 11:17 AM
http://www.goblinscomic.org/09142013/
So,
is the psionic MinMax, again, vulnerable to water now?

why... would he be?:smallconfused: ... "again"?

LoneStarNorth
2013-09-16, 12:01 PM
I was thinking that maybe he's weaker after being regenerated, seeing as some of the energy from his regeneratron was used to restore half a yuan-ti serpentfolk plus a beard and eyeball.

If it doesn't come down to a straight up fight though I can definitely see him sending everyone out of the maze altogether while he continues to pursue his goal of oblivion. It's gotta be easier than letting these yahoos keep running around when they've proven to be capable not only of introducing new variables into his calculations, but also of crushing his skull.

Dienekes
2013-09-16, 01:08 PM
I don't think Psi-Max is going to last very long, my guess is less than two pages before he either gets killed off for real, or sent back to his home reality via "winning" the maze.

Personally I like Kin, Min-Max, and Forgath way more than any of the other characters in the comic, so I'm enjoying the arc being drawn out more. The GAP bores me, and Dies suffers from a severe case of "the random NPCs are more interesting than me" syndrome.

You see that's fair. But to me, Forgath and Minmax started pretty entertainingly, Forgath acted as the straight man and brain and Minmax would say dumb things and be a bit of a jerk. It worked, and Thunt was smart enough to recognize that he needed to change up the formula for them or they would grow stale. So, in comes Kin with a whole new story arc and development for them.

Unfortunately, I just don't care if Minmax gets with Kin. At all. So the vast majority of the character growth in this section has bored me, and the "Minmax says something stupid" jokes have started to loose their humor for me.

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the GAP. I thought they had an interesting dynamic allowed because there were more than 2 of them and their personalities clashed and melded well together. They also had some of the best moments in the comics in my opinion. Nothing Minmax and Forgath have done have been as engaging as trying to free Fumbles, Chief's death, or the return of Senior Kick'ass'o.

You are right about Dies, he is the least interesting one in his group. But, he at least has some interesting guys with him. Ksellis was a great mix of brutal cunning and some idiotic humor (reminded me of Jayne Cobb a bit), and Biscuit has been all sorts of badass. Plus the rampage across Duv's tribe was great because Duv was actually an interesting villain that I wanted to see smacked down. Psimax, he started interesting but has never grown on me. He was just a sort of weird nihilist using some of the worst technobabble I have ever heard. And now he's back, after getting a surprisingly fitting and hilarious death.

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-16, 05:18 PM
Kin said that's because most of the multiverse is evil. We don't know whether the adventuring parties are more or less evil on a whole so basically you're just destroying random chunks of reality and claiming it's good because more of it's evil than not. Also known as the V (non)-defense

Based on what we've seen in the Maze, the majority of alternate adventuring parties really are Evil. Some are Neutral, but they're still self-interested dinks. And a few are Good, but they hail from realities so horrific that death might be preferable.

MinMax did need to be defeated earlier, or else they would not have made it to the finish line. But they're there now. A couple of steps and they're out of the Maze.

At this point, there are three reasons to fight PsiMax:

1) For the satisfaction of killing him.
2) To let the alternate Kins run the Maze as many times as they like.
3) To preserve the lives of the other alternates.

But he intends to kill himself anyway, and as I said, the other alternates are mostly not worth saving. And Reason 2 doesn't really benefit MinMax, Forgath or Kin Prime.

So if PsiMax is now mostly indestructible, why not just leave the Maze to him?

Pseudo_Nym
2013-09-16, 05:40 PM
So if PsiMax is now mostly indestructible now, why not just leave the Maze to him?

Cause it wouldn't be satisfying. Both to us, the readers, and to the characters, especially MinMax. Bad guy wants to blow a hole in reality and you just let him? Iffy enough. Bad guy who has tried his best to kill you, nearly succeeded, and personally dismembered a close friend of yours? It wasn't too long ago MinMax was practically wishing he was still alive, just so he could kill him again. (http://www.goblinscomic.org/08102013-2/)

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-16, 06:03 PM
On the contrary, I could see Kin suggesting that they just walk away. I would consider it a satisfactory conclusion, as it would expedite this conflict and be sort of novel. ("You know what, bad guy? You can have this one.")

Pseudo_Nym
2013-09-16, 06:11 PM
I could see that too, I suppose. MinMax is about to throttle him when Kin gives a quiet "No." A bit of glaring, and they walk right past him. I wouldn't be bothered, and MinMax should be okay if Kin is. I guess I'll just wait and find out.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-16, 08:58 PM
of course they wouldn't be able to gather the treasure in the treasure room unless time stopped for them.

The Linker
2013-09-17, 02:48 AM
I feel that saving even one Good life should be reason enough for Good people to want to kill the evil villain. :smallconfused:

Killer Angel
2013-09-17, 02:52 AM
Interesting isn't it how the non-Goblin party in Goblins ends up being the best party by far? :smallcool:

Speak for yourself. I like my GAP. :smallwink:


I feel that saving even one Good life should be reason enough for Good people to want to kill the evil villain. :smallconfused:

But to want a thing, and to actually do it, are different things... :smalltongue:

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-17, 06:45 AM
Speak for yourself. I like my GAP. :smallwink:


I'd like them better if they weren't dying horribly all the time. :smallconfused:

turbo164
2013-09-17, 08:43 AM
I'd like them better if they weren't dying horribly all the time. :smallconfused:

One death every 7 years is "all the time?" :smalltongue:

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-17, 09:03 AM
Wow has Goblins been around for 7 years? Geez.

Mando Knight
2013-09-17, 09:45 AM
Speak for yourself. I like my GAP. :smallwink:

Who were those guys, again? :smalltongue:

(It's seriously been almost two years since we've seen them. Dies and Saves were last seen almost one year ago.)

turbo164
2013-09-17, 09:50 AM
Started drawing in 2001, posted to internet in 2005, GAP forms 2006, death December 2010, GAP waits for Minmax to find teapot January 2011.

@Mando: 2 years, 7 months, and 26 days, actually. :smallfrown:

Mando Knight
2013-09-17, 11:25 AM
@Mando: 2 years, 7 months, and 26 days, actually. :smallfrown:

I must've read the month/day backwards, then.

snoopy13a
2013-09-17, 11:38 AM
Speak for yourself. I like my GAP. :smallwink:



I prefer Banana Republic myself. Sorry, but that joke simply had to be made :smalltongue:

BannedInSchool
2013-09-17, 11:39 AM
I must've read the month/day backwards, then.
Will everyone universally adopt the ISO YYYYMMDD standard already? Digits in order of significance and properly sorting from low to high is the One True Order! :smallfurious:

Killer Angel
2013-09-17, 12:48 PM
@Mando: 2 years, 7 months, and 26 days, actually. :smallfrown:

Better to leave some things unveiled... :smallsigh:


I prefer Banana Republic myself. Sorry, but that joke simply had to be made :smalltongue:

Yeah, I can understand the urge. :smallwink:

Maur
2013-09-17, 10:46 PM
I wonder, how would the person who commented how creepy the Goblins forum debating the half-snake lesbian action was find the recent debate about Psimax genitalia...

Mo_the_Hawked
2013-09-19, 03:56 PM
Did we see it coming? Yes.

Was it satisfying anyway? Oh yea.

The Glyphstone
2013-09-19, 04:00 PM
What treasure did he 'pick'? Or did he just slide through the blue circle and into the red circle?

memnarch
2013-09-19, 04:08 PM
What treasure did he 'pick'? Or did he just slide through the blue circle and into the red circle?


The winning room probably assumes that the winners will grab the treasure before stepping on the red circle to leave.

Cen
2013-09-19, 04:16 PM
Or did he just slide through the blue circle and into the red circle?


Movement lines in panel 7 suggest that yes, he just slide from blue to red.
Anyhow, now we know that there are no hidden traps in treasure room :-)

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-19, 04:27 PM
Toldja:smallbiggrin:


but i do wonder. does this mean the maze resets now? can nobody win before it resets? Will Minmax loose Oblivious? hopefully the next few pages let us know.

Yuki Akuma
2013-09-19, 04:31 PM
Toldja:smallbiggrin:


but i do wonder. does this mean the maze resets now? can nobody win before it resets? Will Minmax loose Oblivious? hopefully the next few pages let us know.

The Three Kins have it on manual reset, and specifically said it wouldn't reset after Minmax and co. won, so.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-19, 04:38 PM
The Three Kins have it on manual reset, and specifically said it wouldn't reset after Minmax and co. won, so.

oh, nevermind then.

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-19, 04:47 PM
Someone is a total idiot for deciding to appear in the one single place that could ruin his plan. :smalltongue:

BaronOfHell
2013-09-19, 04:48 PM
Movement lines in panel 7 suggest that yes, he just slide from blue to red.
Anyhow, now we know that there are no hidden traps in treasure room :-)

The standard way of leaving the maze of many did look rather nasty though.

If I were to make a guess now, MinMax & Forgath leaves the maze by using the teapot. Kin stays with the other kins and becomes a demi-god. MM and Kin will miss each other, and... some time in the future a superpowered Kin will save MinMax or something.

The strange thing though is that since the maze exists out of time, if MM & Forgath leaves by the Teapot, even if Kin decides to stay inside the maze for several years to come, they'll all exist simultaneously.

In any case, psimax seemed so confident when he returned, even enhanced with the "unbreakable" stuff, yet he didn't see this as a possibility? Heck even if they'd taken him down as he admitted they could, what hinders them in preparing properly for him? One suggestion is to erase his memories.

Traab
2013-09-19, 06:05 PM
The standard way of leaving the maze of many did look rather nasty though.

If I were to make a guess now, MinMax & Forgath leaves the maze by using the teapot. Kin stays with the other kins and becomes a demi-god. MM and Kin will miss each other, and... some time in the future a superpowered Kin will save MinMax or something.

The strange thing though is that since the maze exists out of time, if MM & Forgath leaves by the Teapot, even if Kin decides to stay inside the maze for several years to come, they'll all exist simultaneously.

In any case, psimax seemed so confident when he returned, even enhanced with the "unbreakable" stuff, yet he didn't see this as a possibility? Heck even if they'd taken him down as he admitted they could, what hinders them in preparing properly for him? One suggestion is to erase his memories.


Seriously, he took stupid bad guy monologuing and cranked it up to 11 there. "Here, i will tell you exactly why I am so awesome and you cant hope to stop me even if you do stop me this time. No, I dont see how telling the people who manipulated my psionic gears how my psionic gears will assure my victory could possibly be a stupid plan, why do you ask?"

Lord_Gareth
2013-09-19, 06:30 PM
I have to say - my issues with Thunt aside, I genuinely liked this strip. A lot. Just to see MinMax put on his serious face without over-done rage facial expressions and suchlike.

t209
2013-09-19, 07:09 PM
New comic
I think I got it. Say either "red" or "blue" and jump on either blue or red. Or just play twister (For those who didn't know about it, it's like staying on the two colored panels at the same time based on leg and arm position).

Dodom
2013-09-19, 07:09 PM
Seriously, he took stupid bad guy monologuing and cranked it up to 11 there. "Here, i will tell you exactly why I am so awesome and you cant hope to stop me even if you do stop me this time. No, I dont see how telling the people who manipulated my psionic gears how my psionic gears will assure my victory could possibly be a stupid plan, why do you ask?"

Psymax has repeatedly shown that he had very little understanding on how people worked, for someone who studied them for the equivalent of years.

mucat
2013-09-19, 07:11 PM
It seems reasonable that if one member of a team survives to "win" the Maze, then their entire team will be resurrected and returned to their home reality. If so, then PsiMax, still in his weakened state, is now facing a VERY angry Kin and Forgath...

BannedInSchool
2013-09-19, 07:35 PM
It seems reasonable that if one member of a team survives to "win" the Maze, then their entire team will be resurrected and returned to their home reality. If so, then PsiMax, still in his weakened state, is now facing a VERY angry Kin and Forgath...
Actually, our Kin thought that any dead party members of a winning reality would stay dead, although all surviving members of a reality would exit together even if not all were at the circles. That came up when MinMax was back in the tower room while she and Forgath were at the treasure room.

Traab
2013-09-19, 07:46 PM
Psymax has repeatedly shown that he had very little understanding on how people worked, for someone who studied them for the equivalent of years.

But the thing is, this isnt even dealing with people, its deliberately exposing the source of your power, to people you KNOW are able to mess with it. Its not like being incompetent at questioning people because you dont get basic psychology, this is taking a half second to think, "Wait, These guys are very likely to kill me again, we all know this. Maybe I shouldnt mention that the gears are also set to make my memories survive the reset every time."

Too be honest, that could have turned out an interesting setup as yet another side story. The tri kins versus psimax, each reset they are fighting over who gets to control the gears this time and manipulate things in their favor. At least until one side or the other manages to figure out how to stop the endless war and does it. I get this mental image of the trikins leaving the maze and showing up outside as nearly solid ime due to constant horrible injuries and regeneration via the device. Little strips of flesh are all that remains untouched.

Kornaki
2013-09-19, 07:49 PM
Movement lines in panel 7 suggest that yes, he just slide from blue to red.
Anyhow, now we know that there are no hidden traps in treasure room :-)

No, we know that if there are traps, they're for the greedy jerkwads who try to take too much treasure :smalltongue:. Whether that amount is equal to what the maze tells you you're allowed to take has yet to be seen (not that I think such a thing will happen but hey)

TheSummoner
2013-09-19, 07:56 PM
Did we see it coming? Yes.

Was it satisfying anyway? Oh yea.

This sums up my feelings pretty well.

Dienekes
2013-09-19, 08:16 PM
So, am I the only one who skipped PsiMax's little rant?

Anyway, ehh. Well, that was a thing. Don't see why he couldn't have just stayed dead there.

Mo_the_Hawked
2013-09-19, 08:19 PM
Because he didn't get to understand his hubris, or suffer a 'true' defeat at the hands of an 'inferior'.

Cuthalion
2013-09-19, 08:20 PM
That red circle does not look very comfortable. :smalleek:

The Linker
2013-09-19, 08:29 PM
So, am I the only one who skipped PsiMax's little rant?

Anyway, ehh. Well, that was a thing. Don't see why he couldn't have just stayed dead there.

I think it's was pretty valid fridge logic that someone that smart should probably have a contingency plan in the event of his death. I feel it's a good thing we got to see that he covered that particular base.

TheSummoner
2013-09-19, 09:15 PM
So, am I the only one who skipped PsiMax's little rant?

Anyway, ehh. Well, that was a thing. Don't see why he couldn't have just stayed dead there.

Because if he hadn't "won" then he would've just been back when the maze reset. Maybe it doesn't matter for our group since they're just going to go on their way anyways, but killing Psimax and defeating him are mutually exclusive within the maze.

Starbuck_II
2013-09-19, 09:37 PM
So since Psimax won do we have to watch our Minmax go through the maze a second time? :smalltongue:

archon_huskie
2013-09-19, 10:10 PM
no. the maze has been reset to manual.

Hands_Of_Blue
2013-09-19, 10:29 PM
So since Psimax won do we have to watch our Minmax go through the maze a second time? :smalltongue:Hopefully the Trikins will give our group the ability to retain their memories as well and allow them to be the winners next time.

Aquillion
2013-09-19, 10:36 PM
That red circle does not look very comfortable. :smalleek:It's possible that the purple bodyparts created by the gears only exist in the pocket reality of the Maze of Many, since the gears' functionality depends on the fact that that place has few variables to manipulate.

That being the case, Psymax's "victory" could have caused him to dissolve into nothingness as he was teleported to a world where the gears didn't function, since his entire body was now composed of purple gear-created stuff.

(I wonder how he lost his arms the first time around?)

The Glyphstone
2013-09-19, 10:48 PM
Wouldn't that mean Kin's tail evaporates if they leave too?

Flame of Anor
2013-09-19, 11:00 PM
Wouldn't that mean Kin's tail evaporates if they leave too?

It probably would, so that probably won't happen. It would be very bizarre if Thunt gave Kin her tail back and took it away so soon.

ThirdEmperor
2013-09-19, 11:12 PM
So.. How are none of the characters bothered by the fact that Minmax could have, in another universe, with different circumstances, become that?

The Glyphstone
2013-09-19, 11:16 PM
So.. How are none of the characters bothered by the fact that Minmax could have, in another universe, with different circumstances, become that?

Maybe because he's just one of the bazillion Minmaxes they've seen/fought in here? He's weird, but there are weirder Minmaxes, he's just the most powerful. Possibly not even the most evil, just the most crazy.

EvilJames
2013-09-19, 11:34 PM
Psymax revealed his plan because he didn't think they could do anything about it. They don't know why he can remember each pass through the maze. It was the one thing they hadn't figured out. He figured they would kill him again and just have to deal with the fact that they can't do anything about it.

Minmax was awesome there. Had the lines and everything.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-19, 11:48 PM
i don't think the red circle looked all that painful to me, more resembles rose petals in the wind then blood scattering IMO. Most likely it just does that to give the victors a "royal show" type deal as is often assosiated with rose petals.

and i doubt that's Psimax being "killed" because the IME thing doesn't work outside the maze, i mean think about it, this current body was made from scratch, it is entirely 100% IME stuff. if it WAS him disolving/dieing, then those fragment things would be purple, not red.

Landis963
2013-09-20, 12:12 AM
I'm kind of surprised that Minmax of all people thought of the simplest, easiest, most elegant solution to the problem of Psymax 0.2. Did he boost WIS last level?

TheSummoner
2013-09-20, 12:32 AM
I'm never surprised when Minmax is simple. :smalltongue:

The Linker
2013-09-20, 03:12 AM
It probably would, so that probably won't happen. It would be very bizarre if Thunt gave Kin her tail back and took it away so soon.

...Unless they find out beforehand. Then, this very thing could be used as a justification for Kin staying behind in the Maze and parting ways with Minmax.

And if she does go through with it and loses her tail -- well, that just demonstrates her feelings and level of commitment that much more.

Now I kind of want this to be true. This could make for some pretty emotional stuff.

Vinyadan
2013-09-20, 04:07 AM
Thank you, dear THunt, for knowing how to tell a story and not throwing us a super-hyper-final battle against an undestructable psion lasting five years.

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-20, 04:42 AM
Thank you, dear THunt, for knowing how to tell a story and not throwing us a super-hyper-final battle against an undestructable psion lasting five years.

I hate how a lot of comics and series seem to think that's a good idea. :smalltongue:

BaronOfHell
2013-09-20, 05:12 AM
Hate... or simply dislike?

I wonder if this is when the events predicted by young & beautiful's prophecy will take place, or if it'll first be far into the future.

RMS Oceanic
2013-09-20, 05:27 AM
I kinda figured this would be how they beat him, but I liked Minmax's line.

Here's hoping Psimax gets a beatdown from his own Kin and Forgath.

Macros
2013-09-20, 05:44 AM
Well, assuming Kin's explanations are correct, Kin and Forgath from Psimax's dimension will remain dead, since he "won" with them not being around. So I guess his punishment will simply be to lament at the lost opportunity.

RMS Oceanic
2013-09-20, 05:53 AM
Well, assuming Kin's explanations are correct, Kin and Forgath from Psimax's dimension will remain dead, since he "won" with them not being around. So I guess his punishment will simply be to lament at the lost opportunity.

You're right. Unfortunately I misremembered that part.

Nourjan
2013-09-20, 07:17 AM
Thank you, dear THunt, for knowing how to tell a story and not throwing us a super-hyper-final battle against an undestructable psion lasting five years.

One of the series I'm following is a having its super-hyper-final battle against an undestructable Scion :smallsmile:.Its quite awesome.

Marnath
2013-09-20, 07:28 AM
I'm kind of surprised that Minmax of all people thought of the simplest, easiest, most elegant solution to the problem of Psymax 0.2. Did he boost WIS last level?

That's because people forget that Minmax is not stupid, he just spent all of his talent on killing people.

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-20, 07:58 AM
Hate... or simply dislike?

I wonder if this is when the events predicted by young & beautiful's prophecy will take place, or if it'll first be far into the future.

Depends on how it's handled.

I can remember times where hate would be the better word to use. :smalltongue:

Traab
2013-09-20, 08:08 AM
That's because people forget that Minmax is not stupid,

Yes he is. (http://www.goblinscomic.org/02042011/)

TheSummoner
2013-09-20, 08:12 AM
I still wish we could've used "Penis Go Boom" as a thread title :smallbiggrin:

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-20, 08:21 AM
I still wish we could've used "Penis Go Boom" as a thread title :smallbiggrin:

Don't we all?

Landis963
2013-09-20, 08:55 AM
That's because people forget that Minmax is not stupid, he just spent all of his talent on killing people.


Yes he is. (http://www.goblinscomic.org/02042011/)

That incident, the treasure Venus fly trap, the fact that he falls for "spliying"... The list goes on and on. I will admit that this is a very positive development in Minmax's character.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-20, 09:41 AM
Yes he is. (http://www.goblinscomic.org/02042011/)

you know... we never do see tht walking stick again... either she dropped it just outside/inside the Maze door, or the Maze ate it.

Khosan
2013-09-20, 09:56 AM
Psymax has repeatedly shown that he had very little understanding on how people worked, for someone who studied them for the equivalent of years.

Not that long. This was Psimax's 800th or so run. So maybe a month or two.

EDIT: Granted, I may be underestimating how long it takes for them to complete the Maze of Many. I'm guessing it's usually only a couple hours, around 3-4. So Psimax would have been observing for around 100-140 days or so.

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-20, 10:24 AM
MinMax is "book dumb." That is to say, he's an idiot in all matters except strategy, where he excels. If he wasn't, how would he be able to so thoroughly break a pure fighting build?

Starbuck_II
2013-09-20, 11:09 AM
MinMax is "book dumb." That is to say, he's an idiot in all matters except strategy, where he excels. If he wasn't, how would he be able to so thoroughly break a pure fighting build?

Well, no, remember he traded his ability to tie his shoes away to think up excellent strategies.
If he didn't, then he'd be just dumb.

Cuthalion
2013-09-20, 11:26 AM
Well, no, remember he traded his ability to tie his shoes away to think up excellent strategies.
If he didn't, then he'd be just dumb.

Where's that?

The Glyphstone
2013-09-20, 11:29 AM
Where's that?

Possibly not a literal comic quote, but it is likely accurate. Minmax is an utter moron in every area of life except combat - he's optimized every facet of his build and traded away everything even remotely non-combat focused to be better at fighting, so it's entirely in-character for him to be very smart/astute when something directly relates to beating an enemy or winning a fight. It's not the first time this has come up, he showed tactical acumen previously in the MoM and we got into a similar debate.

John Cribati
2013-09-20, 11:29 AM
The only problem I have with the current strip is that Minmax somehow got Psimax to slide two hole body-lengths despite the fact that it was an overhand throw. It should have been more like a Bowling Ball; that would have made slightly more sense.

Joe the Rat
2013-09-20, 11:43 AM
Maybe the Imedium is extra springy, and he bounced.

Not that it will matter much longer, since the reset should repair all the physical damage (Cue running the maze again montage). Or we suddenly 'discover' that if the maze doesn't reset after someone wins, you can have multiple "winners."

I, too found this strip rather satisfying.

John Cribati
2013-09-20, 11:44 AM
Maybe the Imedium is extra springy, and he bounced.
The motion lines are of sliding. And even though he turned, he's turned the opposite way he would have bounced, indicating that he just sort of rolled over during the slide.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-20, 11:50 AM
Minmax can throw Really hard.

TheStranger
2013-09-20, 11:56 AM
Minmax can throw Really hard.

He traded in his ability to grow a soul patch for that.

Gift Jeraff
2013-09-20, 12:21 PM
Next page: altsplanation of Psimax's reality.

Aquillion
2013-09-20, 12:52 PM
Maybe the Imedium is extra springy, and he bounced.

Not that it will matter much longer, since the reset should repair all the physical damage (Cue running the maze again montage). Or we suddenly 'discover' that if the maze doesn't reset after someone wins, you can have multiple "winners."They don't even need to win, since they can just use the teapot to exit (although of course Kin would have to stay behind.)

I wonder if they can loot all the other treasure in there that way?


That incident, the treasure Venus fly trap, the fact that he falls for "spliying"... The list goes on and on. I will admit that this is a very positive development in Minmax's character.I think the idea is that Minmax is supposed to represent a very specific sort of powergaming / minmaxing player; those sorts of players will often make characters with low intelligence, if playing a fighter-type (and play it up in goofy ways), but when it actually matters they'll use their full intelligence to make plans.

Though it's also possible that Minmax is meant to be very good at combat and nothing else, and this allows him to be smarter than his Intelligence indicates when it comes to combat plans and the like. Maybe he traded something for the ability to make good plans in combat?

It's not just this case, though. Minmax has repeatedly pulled off clever things in combat (see the belt buckle, say), even while being an idiot otherwise.

Cuthalion
2013-09-20, 01:47 PM
Next page: altsplanation of Psimax's reality.

We haven't done Ruby yet. I'd expect that first.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-20, 02:16 PM
We haven't done Ruby yet. I'd expect that first.

actually we did, i don't know if it's still up there but it's deffinately been put up at one point or annother. she fought her way out of brassmoon city herself, stealing elite guard weapons and armor and holding an intense hatred for humans, when she got out she was gravely wounded, and was nursed back to health by a human woman and her kid, making her question her hatred. she then went to the maze to fufil her origionl quest of retreaving the teapot alone, having never met minmax or forgath.

Joe the Rat
2013-09-20, 02:28 PM
I've always filed the clever ideas by low-int characters as Cunning. Being intelligent (and/or wise) doesn't necessarily mean you're good at finding solutions to problems, just that you have a lot more tools to work with.

Then again, throwing people is kind of a go-to for Minmax. It's worked well so far...


The motion lines are of sliding. And even though he turned, he's turned the opposite way he would have bounced, indicating that he just sort of rolled over during the slide.

A rolling stop would fit the body turn, but not the motion lines. Those motion lines make no sense for having hit the blue - it looks like a smooth slide. That would make sense with the flat sideways throw (Weapon Proficiency: Humanoid is always worth the points).


They don't even need to win, since they can just use the teapot to exit (although of course Kin would have to stay behind.)
Heh, I forgot that's why they went in there in the first place.

Divayth Fyr
2013-09-20, 02:37 PM
We haven't done Ruby yet. I'd expect that first.
http://www.goblinscomic.org/comics/20130731.jpg

archon_huskie
2013-09-20, 02:39 PM
It would be like Minmax to say "I have a cunning and subtle plan!"

John Cribati
2013-09-20, 02:59 PM
A rolling stop would fit the body turn, but not the motion lines. Those motion lines make no sense for having hit the blue - it looks like a smooth slide. That would make sense with the flat sideways throw (Weapon Proficiency: Humanoid is always worth the points).

Not a rolling stop. Just that he rolled over.

He lands on his back, his left side away from Minmax. But when he slides to the red, he's on his stomach, and his left hand is reaching toward Minmax. That indicates he tried to roll in the opposite direction while he was sliding.

Also I just realized he's totally naked.

Anteros
2013-09-20, 03:29 PM
I don't really get why people are saying this is so satisfying. Yes, they stopped Psimax from achieving his goals...but he's still getting away relatively unscathed. Not to mention the fact that they're releasing an obscenely powerful, evil psion on whatever dimension he's from.

I mean, I'm glad it's over...but it would have been more satisfying from a literary perspective to just leave him dead and have the characters modify the cogs so he doesn't respawn.

Aquillion
2013-09-20, 03:57 PM
I don't really get why people are saying this is so satisfying. Yes, they stopped Psimax from achieving his goals...but he's still getting away relatively unscathed. Not to mention the fact that they're releasing an obscenely powerful, evil psion on whatever dimension he's from. Like I said, it's possible that he died on leaving the maze because his purple body-stuff only exists in that pocket universe. If this is the case, we will discover it when Minmax and co leave.

(And yes, this would have bad implications for Kin, but she could avoid it by not leaving until after a reset, which would heal her properly. Now that there's nobody to threaten their control over the gears, they can take their time and do whatever they want, make it so they retain their memories, etc.)

Traab
2013-09-20, 04:21 PM
I don't really get why people are saying this is so satisfying. Yes, they stopped Psimax from achieving his goals...but he's still getting away relatively unscathed. Not to mention the fact that they're releasing an obscenely powerful, evil psion on whatever dimension he's from.

I mean, I'm glad it's over...but it would have been more satisfying from a literary perspective to just leave him dead and have the characters modify the cogs so he doesn't respawn.

Well, too be fair, he is only obscenely powerful inside the maze, where he was able to alter reality until nothing could hurt him. He will hardly be some unstoppable juggernaut outside the maze and he cant really do much to pursue his goal of oblivion since even he realizes that actual reality is far too complex to erase from existence. It took him something like 800 tries to get even partially close to erasing a pocket dimension.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-20, 04:41 PM
Maybe he can just buy a bag of holding, slip inside it, then use THAT pocket dimention to remove himself from existance:smalltongue:

archon_huskie
2013-09-20, 05:47 PM
If he keeps his indestructible IME body, then he's now trapped in a dimension he can't turn into oblivion, and he can't kill himself or get anyone else to kill him.

He might even be ageless.


Psimax is now in Hell.

Silver Swift
2013-09-20, 06:21 PM
If he keeps his indestructible IME body, then he's now trapped in a dimension he can't turn into oblivion, and he can't kill himself or get anyone else to kill him.

He might even be ageless.


Psimax is now in Hell.

Shame about all the perfectly innocent people that are locked in there with him.

Sure, he is no longer only vulnerable to a specific number, but he is still a high level Psion. That is a big deal, Dellyn is probably one of the the most powerful persons in the world of goblins and he was what, sixth level? Seventh? Psimax is almost certainly higher and potentially even more crazy.

BaronOfHell
2013-09-20, 06:29 PM
Since when did mercy become a trait of evil?

Maybe that's reading too much into it, so how about since when did not killing someone turn into a wrong doing? Whatever Psimax decides to do is his own decision and not the responsibility of some alternatives that could have done bad stuff to him. Knowing D&D they could have gotten away with killing him, but it doesn't mean not killing him was the wrong thing to do.

Anteros
2013-09-20, 06:40 PM
I'm not arguing that Minmax is evil, or even that it was an evil act. I doubt Minmax thought things through either way.

But yes, being merciful and sparing someone's life when you know for a fact that they are going to go on and murder countless people is not good. Condemning others to death so that you don't have to have a guilty conscience is pretty darn evil.

Mo_the_Hawked
2013-09-20, 07:13 PM
I'm not arguing that Minmax is evil, or even that it was an evil act. I doubt Minmax thought things through either way.

But yes, being merciful and sparing someone's life when you know for a fact that they are going to go on and murder countless people is not good. Condemning others to death so that you don't have to have a guilty conscience is pretty darn evil.

So....

Batman is evil?

GloatingSwine
2013-09-20, 07:15 PM
On the other hand, leaving Psimax in control of the Maze of Many until he actually did achieve godlike power and then leave on his own would have been even worse.

The Glyphstone
2013-09-20, 07:18 PM
So....

Batman is evil?

http://writingiseasier.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/batman-alignment-chart.jpg

Traab
2013-09-20, 07:57 PM
Shame about all the perfectly innocent people that are locked in there with him.

Sure, he is no longer only vulnerable to a specific number, but he is still a high level Psion. That is a big deal, Dellyn is probably one of the the most powerful persons in the world of goblins and he was what, sixth level? Seventh? Psimax is almost certainly higher and potentially even more crazy.

You know, psimax didnt go on random killing sprees. He only tended to kill when he had to or when someone attacked him. Hell, he didnt even bother killing the minmax squad when he had them stuck to the freaking walls and totally vulnerable. Remember? Back when he groped kin and minmax threatened to kill him twice? Also, its rather hard to tell what the various levels are. He couldnt have been THAT high level. I mean, he needed his invulnerability to survive against a few random groups of people in the single digit range. I dont really feel like going back and counting all the hits psimax would have taken without his immunity, but its quite a few. He isnt some epic level psion or anything, and I bet a decent team of adventurers will get a quest to execute his big purple ass if he loses it in his reality.

The Linker
2013-09-21, 12:15 AM
Shame about all the perfectly innocent people that are locked in there with him.

Sure, he is no longer only vulnerable to a specific number, but he is still a high level Psion. That is a big deal, Dellyn is probably one of the the most powerful persons in the world of goblins and he was what, sixth level? Seventh? Psimax is almost certainly higher and potentially even more crazy.

Right, but PsiMax is from a different world. For all we know, he's nothing at 'home'.


You know, psimax didnt go on random killing sprees. He only tended to kill when he had to or when someone attacked him. Hell, he didnt even bother killing the minmax squad when he had them stuck to the freaking walls and totally vulnerable. Remember? Back when he groped kin and minmax threatened to kill him twice?

It's not like he didn't bother. He just stated that them dying would have totally messed even more things up and require additional calculations (http://www.goblinscomic.org/01062012/).

I mean, no, yeah, he didn't go killing people for no reason; he went killing people for his own personal reasons that no one else agrees with. I don't think you need to read too much more into 'potentially more crazy' than 'he will kill whoever he feels like and that's a problem'. The point is that he's a dangerous being.

Anteros
2013-09-21, 12:18 AM
You know, psimax didnt go on random killing sprees. He only tended to kill when he had to or when someone attacked him. Hell, he didnt even bother killing the minmax squad when he had them stuck to the freaking walls and totally vulnerable. Remember? Back when he groped kin and minmax threatened to kill him twice? Also, its rather hard to tell what the various levels are. He couldnt have been THAT high level. I mean, he needed his invulnerability to survive against a few random groups of people in the single digit range. I dont really feel like going back and counting all the hits psimax would have taken without his immunity, but its quite a few. He isnt some epic level psion or anything, and I bet a decent team of adventurers will get a quest to execute his big purple ass if he loses it in his reality.

I bet Psimax's kin and Forgath would disagree with this assessment.

Killer Angel
2013-09-21, 03:40 AM
I don't really get why people are saying this is so satisfying. Yes, they stopped Psimax from achieving his goals...but he's still getting away relatively unscathed.

He was beaten by someone he considers a dumb moron. Psycological scars count.

BaronOfHell
2013-09-21, 04:20 AM
But yes, being merciful and sparing someone's life when you know for a fact that they are going to go on and murder countless people is not good. Condemning others to death so that you don't have to have a guilty conscience is pretty darn evil.

There are two things I think is important to consider.

First, the non-D&D way, to claim the right to decide over another beings life, no matter the justification, is in my opinion bad.

Second, and maybe more in the spirit of D&D, you ought not to pursue evil for its alignment (unless you're Kore, but that's not relevant, in my opinion) in the same sense you don't punish someone for what they could do.

While PsiMax is dangerous, he's not the equivalent of a missile which will detonate upon impact. PsiMax is a living being who's to decide to detonate before he'd be the equivalent (only in D&D though).

I am certain it's in D&D justified if MinMax were to somehow slay him for good, but I am also quite convinced you aren't condemned in D&D for showing mercy to the bad guy (eventhough I'm not certain this was mercy).

Dienekes
2013-09-21, 07:24 AM
It would be like Minmax to say "I have a cunning and subtle plan!"

As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

Dodom
2013-09-21, 07:27 AM
Considering that there was no certainity about whether it was possible to kill him for good at all, sending him where his capacity to do evil is greatly reduced doesn't seem like a bad choice to me. He could attack and kill people if he wants, but not by the hundreds like he would achieve oblivionating the maze.
Besides, outside the maze, he CAN be killed for good!

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-21, 09:13 AM
I'm curious what sort of universe Psimax came from now that he's sent back. First time I've been genuinly interested in getting an altsplanation.

Cuthalion
2013-09-21, 09:15 AM
actually we did, i don't know if it's still up there but it's deffinately been put up at one point or annother. she fought her way out of brassmoon city herself, stealing elite guard weapons and armor and holding an intense hatred for humans, when she got out she was gravely wounded, and was nursed back to health by a human woman and her kid, making her question her hatred. she then went to the maze to fufil her origionl quest of retreaving the teapot alone, having never met minmax or forgath.

Huh, it must have gotten taken down. I checked that whole arc, just in case.

archon_huskie
2013-09-21, 10:36 AM
Shame about all the perfectly innocent people that are locked in there with him.

Sure, he is no longer only vulnerable to a specific number, but he is still a high level Psion. That is a big deal, Dellyn is probably one of the the most powerful persons in the world of goblins and he was what, sixth level? Seventh? Psimax is almost certainly higher and potentially even more crazy.

A) yes it is a shame
B) We don't know that he is a high level psion
C) Different world; Dellyn's level is irrelevant
D) Kore is higher level, I believe 17th level has been suggested before, so in order for Kore to get XP, there has to be high level challenges for Kore, so there's likely additional high leveled characters in the goblins world.

So Psimax is doubtfully the biggest threat in his world.

Traab
2013-09-21, 10:53 AM
I bet Psimax's kin and Forgath would disagree with this assessment.

Yes, this would be the same kin that came within a round of snapping his neck like a dried twig? As near as we can tell, she is the yuan ti equivalent of a commoner, she has shown no combat abilities other than using that crossbow at brassmoon and a grapple attack with her tail. Actually. . . wait, how the %$#%$ did that work? He was immune to anything but that absurdly high number, did she happen to have that many scales on her tail? Anyone else tried to attack him they got auto blocked by his purple shield thing.

Anyways, I digress, that he is dangerous I fully agree with. But I honestly dont think it would take more than a decent group of adventurers around what, level 6-7 to take him down? I mean, he NEEDED that immunity to keep from getting slaughtered in the maze. Now, I dont think he would be tripping over piles of adventurers that level range, but its not like it would require a half dozen Kores to take him out. If he becomes a danger in his reality, im sure he will get hunted down and killed.

archon_huskie
2013-09-21, 03:53 PM
Psimax's kin tried to stab him with a dagger, not choke him.

Khosan
2013-09-21, 04:21 PM
Psimax's kin tried to stab him with a dagger, not choke him.

And he blew up her tail before she could even get it close to him.

Starbuck_II
2013-09-21, 05:43 PM
A) yes it is a shame
B) We don't know that he is a high level psion
C) Different world; Dellyn's level is irrelevant
D) Kore is higher level, I believe 17th level has been suggested before, so in order for Kore to get XP, there has to be high level challenges for Kore, so there's likely additional high leveled characters in the goblins world.

So Psimax is doubtfully the biggest threat in his world.

His exploding ability means he is a. High level Psion, b. Ardent that pumped caster but doesn't need to be high level, or c. cheating.
He might need the Gears to afford the Psi points for exploding people though. He'll likely have to craft wonderous another when he lands.

Strawberries
2013-09-21, 06:06 PM
His exploding ability means he is a. High level Psion, b. Ardent that pumped caster but doesn't need to be high level, or c. cheating.

He's a MinMax... I'd say C sounds plausible. :smalltongue:

Traab
2013-09-21, 06:34 PM
Psimax's kin tried to stab him with a dagger, not choke him.

My bad, I misread that as minmax's kin and forgath.

BaronOfHell
2013-09-21, 06:36 PM
Also his exploding abilities worked well, when his average foe was low level and he'd control over the maze. Unless it's clear what the exploding ability actually is, I'd not be surprised if it's something along the lines of:

If character fails saving throw and has less than X in hp (translates, basically, to everyone below level Y), then character is defeated. Else character loses X hp, or something along those lines.

It could also be some kind of super powerful attack that'd have blasted Gornerachen (the demon) as well as Kore without them standing a chance even without his psionic gears, but while 800 runs can get him to around level 10, iIRC when going against around 200 level 3's on each run, I don't think he'd stand a chance against a higher level opponent, because my guess is that it isn't some kind of super powerful attack, it only seems that way when used against level 3 foes.

TheStranger
2013-09-21, 06:55 PM
He's a MinMax... I'd say C sounds plausible. :smalltongue:

He traded his ability to read the evil overlord list for +1 manifester level.

BannedInSchool
2013-09-21, 07:08 PM
He's a MinMax... I'd say C sounds plausible. :smalltongue:
He's a Herbert-created alternate MinMax. The horror! :smallbiggrin:

thorgrim29
2013-09-21, 09:41 PM
Wow, go Min-Max, I didn't see that resolution coming

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-21, 10:44 PM
you know, considering "our" world at least has been described as very low-magic and low-level, with a level five or whatever ranger being described as one of the most powerful adventurers in the land, i wouldn't be surprised if in Thunt's universe, you still get XP for fighting weaker things, you just get less of it so you need to do it more to get anywhere. like in that episode of south park were the kids got from level twenty to fifty-sixty by killing several billion boars that gave 2xp each. maybe Kore hasn't been fighting monsters that are around his challenge rating, just a lot of weaker monsters for a very long time.

The Linker
2013-09-21, 11:18 PM
Actually. . . wait, how the %$#%$ did that work? He was immune to anything but that absurdly high number, did she happen to have that many scales on her tail? Anyone else tried to attack him they got auto blocked by his purple shield thing.

Given how PsiMax went and groped Kin, it's clear that it's not a fully automatic shield that blocks everything and everyone from coming within three feet of him. He has to focus to conjure it up. I think he just has some sort of psychically enhanced perception that makes it look like it's automatic when he blocks attacks from behind him. Or it's just his predictive abilities.

Why he didn't see Kin's attack coming is a mystery. Perhaps Kin has the higher-than-normal amount of confidence needed to strike back because of her feelings for Minmax.

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-22, 12:20 AM
Why he didn't see Kin's attack coming is a mystery. Perhaps Kin has the higher-than-normal amount of confidence needed to strike back because of her feelings for Minmax.

He was supremely arrogant, simply put. Being virtually invincible tends to breed that sort of over-confidence.

He didn't bother killing the GAP when he had a chance, leaving it to an alternate MinMax to finish the job. He didn't think Kin would attack him, so he turned his back on her. He thought he could simply order MinMax to draw his sword; there were better ways of accomplishing that goal, such as bringing along Forgath and threatening to kill him in front of MinMax. And then, when he had cheated death and returned to life, he burst into the room and boasted about how he would inevitably win no matter what they did.

The Linker
2013-09-22, 12:49 AM
He didn't bother killing the GAP when he had a chance, leaving it to an alternate MinMax to finish the job.

Again, though, he left them alive because not doing so would have necessitated re-calculating variables -- and there was really no more reason to kill our MAP (Minmax Adventuring Party :smallcool:) than to kill any other of the other dozens of MAPs. They didn't pose any more of a threat at that point. It was only once our guy created Oblivious (which any MAP could have done) that he became more of an interference with PsiMax's plans. PsiMax's best course of action at the point he met them was to let the race proceed as close to normal as possible to make sure his unmaking proceeded as swimmingly as possible.

But no, yeah, I certainly don't disagree that PsiMax's arrogance was his downfall. But there's still a difference in PsiMax's ability to see our Kin's attack coming versus his own Kin -- or, say, this guy (http://www.goblinscomic.org/07112013-2/), who he saw coming without even turning around.

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-22, 01:21 AM
In the former instance, he had both Forgath and Kin "at his mercy." He was just about to grasp her leash when Forgath shouted at him.

In the latter, he was on a battlefield and had already been attacked by several alternates. As to why he killed them when they couldn't hurt him, they were being a nuisance; I imagine someone swinging an axe at your face is somewhat distracting even when the axe can't hurt you.

Maur
2013-09-22, 05:09 AM
D) Kore is higher level, I believe 17th level has been suggested before, so in order for Kore to get XP, there has to be high level challenges for Kore, so there's likely additional high leveled characters in the goblins world.
Kore obviously reached level that high due to roleplaying XP. :smallwink:

The Linker
2013-09-22, 05:11 AM
In the former instance, he had both Forgath and Kin "at his mercy." He was just about to grasp her leash when Forgath shouted at him.

I think you misread my sentence. I'm comparing PsiMax's encounter with our Kin to two other encounters -- the one with his own Kin at the very start of the arc, and the one with alternate #38.

The encounter with his own Kin had him exploding her tail before she had a chance to make her attack. He predicted or perceived his own Kin's tail attack with an incredible amount of fidelity. He did not predict our Kin's tail attack.

Maybe it's just because he knows his Kin better. But, ostensibly, he knows everything about every team, which is how he's able to send everyone to oblivion. It's just my theory that he was caught off-guard because he wouldn't normally expect a Kin to do what our Kin did.

The encounter with alternate #38 was a supplementary example of his ability to dispose of threats a normal person wouldn't even be aware of.


In the latter, he was on a battlefield and had already been attacked by several alternates.

Yeah, anyone would expect a threat to emerge in that situation. The difference is that most people need to actually look around to find them, you know? He didn't even glance back.


As to why he killed them when they couldn't hurt him, they were being a nuisance; I imagine someone swinging an axe at your face is somewhat distracting even when the axe can't hurt you.

I'm not certain where this is coming from, but as demonstrated by Kin's tail and our Minmax breaking his gears with his surprise attack, he can be hurt by surprise if he's just not paying attention enough. And during that initial rush -- I mean, even when he was blocking every shot, he was driven to a sitting position and had to concentrate to keep everyone aloft and goo them. He's not omnipotent... which means there's a limit. He couldn't keep that up forever. I'm certainly not surprised he chose to kill them; they were threats, by that point. Even if not big ones.

ReaderAt2046
2013-09-22, 08:42 PM
Possibly not a literal comic quote, but it is likely accurate. Minmax is an utter moron in every area of life except combat - he's optimized every facet of his build and traded away everything even remotely non-combat focused to be better at fighting, so it's entirely in-character for him to be very smart/astute when something directly relates to beating an enemy or winning a fight. It's not the first time this has come up, he showed tactical acumen previously in the MoM and we got into a similar debate.

I keep expecting to see some scene where Minmax (possibly using Fogarth as an intermediary) gets the ability to love and be loved by Kin in exchange for being able to digest lactose or something equally non-sequiterish.

Come to think of it, MM could make a pretty effective guardian for the Silkscale Clan if he decides to settle down with his in-laws.:smallsmile:

ReaderAt2046
2013-09-22, 08:44 PM
They don't even need to win, since they can just use the teapot to exit (although of course Kin would have to stay behind.)

I wonder if they can loot all the other treasure in there that way?

I think the idea is that Minmax is supposed to represent a very specific sort of powergaming / minmaxing player; those sorts of players will often make characters with low intelligence, if playing a fighter-type (and play it up in goofy ways), but when it actually matters they'll use their full intelligence to make plans.

Though it's also possible that Minmax is meant to be very good at combat and nothing else, and this allows him to be smarter than his Intelligence indicates when it comes to combat plans and the like. Maybe he traded something for the ability to make good plans in combat?

It's not just this case, though. Minmax has repeatedly pulled off clever things in combat (see the belt buckle, say), even while being an idiot otherwise.

Maybe he just has Skill Focus (Knowledge: Tactics) and some ranks?

Joe the Rat
2013-09-23, 11:22 AM
Shame about all the perfectly innocent people that are locked in there with him.
Nah, odds are they're mostly evil. (http://www.goblinscomic.org/02182011-3/)

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-23, 01:58 PM
"mostly" does not mean "every single one". Innocent people would still be hit by it.

Maryring
2013-09-23, 08:10 PM
Might just be me but... that last panel. Rubykin looks like she's pointing her sword at Minmax, ready to skewer him at a moment's notice. Might just be readin' too much into it but.

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-23, 09:26 PM
I think you misread my sentence.


Yeah, anyone would expect a threat to emerge in that situation. The difference is that most people need to actually look around to find them, you know? He didn't even glance back.

Ohhhh.

Well, the simple answer is that while PsiMax can't read minds, he can still detect the presence of living minds.

Therefore, he sensed MinMax #38 coming up behind him, and since all the alternates were in "kill PsiMax mode", he attempted the psionic equivalent of Batman's offhand backhand (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffhandBackhand).

Starbuck_II
2013-09-23, 11:47 PM
Ohhhh.

Well, the simple answer is that while PsiMax can't read minds, he can still detect the presence of living minds.

Therefore, he sensed MinMax #38 coming up behind him, and since all the alternates were in "kill PsiMax mode", he attempted the psionic equivalent of Batman's offhand backhand (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffhandBackhand).

No, he can sense hostile minds: ie Danger Sense psionic power.

The Glyphstone
2013-09-24, 12:03 AM
No, he can sense hostile minds: ie Danger Sense psionic power.

Pedantic nitpick: You're thinking of Detect Hostile Intent. Danger Sense gives Trapfinding.

Starbuck_II
2013-09-24, 12:05 AM
Pedantic nitpick: You're thinking of Detect Hostile Intent. Danger Sense gives Trapfinding.

Aren't all nitpicks pedantic? :smallbiggrin:

turbo164
2013-09-24, 09:07 AM
Aren't all nitpicks pedantic? :smallbiggrin:

Well now you're just being hairsplitting. Thank you thesaurus.com!

Traab
2013-09-24, 09:11 AM
Well now you're just being hairsplitting. Thank you thesaurus.com!

Semantics.

Giggling Ghast
2013-09-24, 03:16 PM
Just an altsplanation today. Does that need a spoiler?

Anyways, I guess that explains how some brainless zombies got in the Maze of Many. Don't really get the whole "get superpowers by infecting otherworldly beings," but it has no bearing on the plot.

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-24, 03:41 PM
yeah... i think what it's saying is that "After" was a zombie demon, but every time he infected somebody with his zombie virus, he became smarter and stronger, to the point where he was a fully-intelligent individual again rather then a mindless zombie.

and Sarl of universe 65 is hoping that by shoving zombie!FMK into the maze of many, they will infect alternates of themselves from other dimensions (same as what "After" did as he was a demon in the material plane) possibly explaining the zombie horde we saw FMK and the tri-kins fight, and as they continue to infect, they will become smarter and stronger, allowing them to pass the trials of the maze easier, and hopefully eventually, make their way out of the maze fully intelligent and demi-godlike the same as After did. and if they're somehow still good-aligned, perhaps they would help stop the zombie apocalypse they helped to create.

LoneStarNorth
2013-09-24, 07:45 PM
I guess maybe the definition of a god in the Thuntiverse is someone who has followers in another dimension? Does that explain why Herbert thinks its okay to have HIMSELF as a deity in his campaign setting? :smallbiggrin:

Kornaki
2013-09-24, 09:48 PM
I guess maybe the definition of a god in the Thuntiverse is someone who has followers in another dimension? Does that explain why Herbert thinks its okay to have HIMSELF as a deity in his campaign setting? :smallbiggrin:

And now when those three Kins start thinking our MinMax is some sort of minor deity for having the smarts and brawn needed to finish of PsiMax like that.... :smalleek:


Unlikely, but now I feel willing to bet this comes up as a plot point somehow!

CRtwenty
2013-09-25, 05:00 AM
And now when those three Kins start thinking our MinMax is some sort of minor deity for having the smarts and brawn needed to finish of PsiMax like that.... :smalleek:


Unlikely, but now I feel willing to bet this comes up as a plot point somehow!

He'll trade in his Divine Ranks for a +1 damage with musical instruments.

Killer Angel
2013-09-25, 05:51 AM
Unlikely, but now I feel willing to bet this comes up as a plot point somehow!

I hope not. The whole "deity powers" doesn't hold too much appeal on me: seems like an excuse to drop anything excessive you want...

LooksAtYouFunny
2013-09-25, 08:14 AM
So.. if anyone is wondering.. Goblins is under yet another DDoS attack, and that is why you cannot access the site...

Who the Bliiiiiiip gets anything out of closing down a Web comic page?

Chilingsworth
2013-09-25, 08:16 AM
So.. if anyone is wondering.. Goblins is under yet another DDoS attack, and that is why you cannot access the site...

Who the Bliiiiiiip gets anything out of closing down a Web comic page?

Maybe someone who's mad about Kin's storyline?

LooksAtYouFunny
2013-09-25, 08:24 AM
Maybe someone who's mad about Kin's storyline?

Still no reason to try and destroy someones work and income...
That's really just to low....

Chilingsworth
2013-09-25, 09:10 AM
Still no reason to try and destroy someones work and income...
That's really just to low....

Of course. Still, just suggesting a motive.

HandofShadows
2013-09-25, 09:16 AM
Still no reason to try and destroy someones work and income...
That's really just to low....

Some people are sadistic $^[email protected] who get enjoyment about hurting other people. They are Everyday Sadists (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130912093731.htm).

Kislath
2013-09-25, 10:25 AM
Oh. Is that what's wrong? I was wondering why the update was taking so ridiculously long.

As for jerkwad hackers, who knows why they do it? I think it's to compensate for their teeny, tiny microweenies.

Neoriceisgood
2013-09-25, 10:46 AM
Maybe someone didn't like his latest apology journal? :smallconfused:

LooksAtYouFunny
2013-09-25, 11:19 AM
if anyone would like to see, Duke (the host) have set up a temp site for the comic. including the new page:
http://goblinscomic.phantactics.de/

Starbuck_II
2013-09-25, 11:24 AM
Still no reason to try and destroy someones work and income...
That's really just to low....

They do it at Walmart: they steal price tags off meat and produce walls.


I guess maybe the definition of a god in the Thuntiverse is someone who has followers in another dimension? Does that explain why Herbert thinks its okay to have HIMSELF as a deity in his campaign setting? :smallbiggrin:

Pretty standard definition that having enough followers makes you a god.
Forgotten Realms uses this definition.

t209
2013-09-27, 09:59 AM
http://www.goblinscomic.org/09242013/
- So
The zombies came from Walking Dead D&D?

Draconi Redfir
2013-09-27, 12:55 PM
Uhhh..... No.