Tevesh
2013-09-09, 10:48 AM
I've been running a game for over a year now and I'm stumped with an encounter I have in my head. I would really like it to go this way which is why I created an account to get the wisdom of the forums. GiaP has been a life saver for me. Many of my questions were answered by a mere google so I hold the answers I get in high esteem.
I am heavy into crunch because I don't want to just make up DCs that are impossible to beat or the like. I'm playing with 3.5 Monte Cook's Experimental Might so the PCs can handle a lot being thrown at them. They're very powerful.
So, this is the situation:
Party has been negotiating with Devils and Demons, playing off each other for the Greater Good, yadda yadda yadda.
I want a coincidence of Demons and Devils making a move on the PCs at the same time. This would sort of be a Mexican stand-off situation where both factions realize that the PCs have been played them.
Any special rules for the set up?
How should I CR the encounter? If the 3 PCs are cornered by 3 Demons and 3 Devils, that makes them pretty wimpy individually. I sort of picture the 'big bad' attacking the PCs while the flunkies fight each other; however, that might be a lot of book keeping involved.
Or just do 1 Devil and 1 Demon that work together but attack the PCs and the flunkies are just literally wallpaper? Not the first time I've done something like this but I feel that its somehow cheating.
PCs would be level 18. If you can suggest some interesting Devils/Demons, that'd be nice. The PCs would've gone through Graz'zt on the Demonic end, Mephistopheles and possibly Glasya on the Infernal. If there is a particular monster or methodology they would use or Template, that'd be flavourful.
I could go for the quadruple Mexican Stand-Off of PCs vs. Grazz'zt Agents vs. Mephistopheles Agents vs. Glasya Agents, but that's sounding a bit ambitious.
Bonus Points:
I've also been trying to incorporate a Deadborn Vulture as a Mount for a Caster but I have no idea how to scale it up according to CR. Sure, the creature given in MM5 is CR 8 but if I increase its HD its size increases and then how should I make its Skeleton? Or just increase its size and all it a day?
The issue is that the PCs will be 17 or 18 when I'll want to use the Deadborn Vulture Mount, I don't want the Zombie version to be a complete gimp.
I think its a neat mechanic, a different version of "Bloodied".
I am heavy into crunch because I don't want to just make up DCs that are impossible to beat or the like. I'm playing with 3.5 Monte Cook's Experimental Might so the PCs can handle a lot being thrown at them. They're very powerful.
So, this is the situation:
Party has been negotiating with Devils and Demons, playing off each other for the Greater Good, yadda yadda yadda.
I want a coincidence of Demons and Devils making a move on the PCs at the same time. This would sort of be a Mexican stand-off situation where both factions realize that the PCs have been played them.
Any special rules for the set up?
How should I CR the encounter? If the 3 PCs are cornered by 3 Demons and 3 Devils, that makes them pretty wimpy individually. I sort of picture the 'big bad' attacking the PCs while the flunkies fight each other; however, that might be a lot of book keeping involved.
Or just do 1 Devil and 1 Demon that work together but attack the PCs and the flunkies are just literally wallpaper? Not the first time I've done something like this but I feel that its somehow cheating.
PCs would be level 18. If you can suggest some interesting Devils/Demons, that'd be nice. The PCs would've gone through Graz'zt on the Demonic end, Mephistopheles and possibly Glasya on the Infernal. If there is a particular monster or methodology they would use or Template, that'd be flavourful.
I could go for the quadruple Mexican Stand-Off of PCs vs. Grazz'zt Agents vs. Mephistopheles Agents vs. Glasya Agents, but that's sounding a bit ambitious.
Bonus Points:
I've also been trying to incorporate a Deadborn Vulture as a Mount for a Caster but I have no idea how to scale it up according to CR. Sure, the creature given in MM5 is CR 8 but if I increase its HD its size increases and then how should I make its Skeleton? Or just increase its size and all it a day?
The issue is that the PCs will be 17 or 18 when I'll want to use the Deadborn Vulture Mount, I don't want the Zombie version to be a complete gimp.
I think its a neat mechanic, a different version of "Bloodied".