Elan cussed!

[mockingbyrd7]

Since the beginning of the comic, people have been talking about how Elan never swore or used profane language (unless you consider boobies a bad word) but today he called Nale a bastard. It was kind of a shock (and hilarious about how he was insulting his identical twin about his parentage) but Nale deserved it.

[Ayya the Fearsome]

ayya find that amusing!

[Setra]

When a person or character is involved in love, innocence can be hard to keep. Though :elan: still does quite a good job of it.

[blackout]

For awhile, I thought I was the only one who noticed that. I looked once, and it went over my head, but I looked a second time, and I was all O_O "Oh my...Elan just did the unthinkable!...I'm so proud!"

[Scorpina]

It was very well done. Got to love it when 'bad words' are used effectively.

[Rebarth]

Well, Elan never had many people to hate deeply, atlist that what I know. So he never needed to use bad words. But he really hates Nale.

[emPty]

Now you see what those +2 competance checks when you're in love can do. :smallwink:

[stabbybelkar]

OMG!!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!
Haley can talk! Oh Giant I love you anyway now that thats out of my system your right Elan never cussed before

[zoobie]

"Bastard" is barely swearing, insulting yes, but not swearing.

[Logic]

"Bastard" is barely swearing, insulting yes, but not swearing.
It's a matter of opinion. I know plenty of soccer moms that would consider it swearing of the most profane kind.

Although, I put profanity in Tiers

Tier 1 (and banned from Network Television and Radio)
C word, F word, S word.

Tier 2
Bastard, and just about everything else

Tier 3
Hell, Damn

[Guildorn Tanaleth]

"Bastard" is barely swearing, insulting yes, but not swearing.

What he said. I consider it about as inoffensive as "damn."

[BeccaLynn85]

Bastard isn't a word I generally take offense to hearing. But that is just me. However, considering Elan and his personality, "Bastard" is bad.

[Krytha]

Uh what are the C-word and S-word and why are they Tier 1 if I can't identify them readily?

[Iranon]

In a quasi-medieval world, does it make sense for bastard to be used as an expletive/derogatory term anyway? But then, social dynamics seem to more closely resemble today.

Either way, there's nothing wrong with bastards. I want a score of them.

[Demented]

Is it any coincidence all the most cuss-y words are four letters long?

Elan is still at the grade-school level insults.
Just wait 'till he calls Nale a "butt".

[~The Patriots~]

well he's growing up

[Dalenthas]

The S-Word being another word for feces (or alternatively a verb meaning to deficate).
The C-Word being... well a word normally reserved for pornography. There are two of them, take your pick.
(There is also a C-Word that is synonomys with the S-word, but that's a Tier 3 at best).

[Iranon]

When Turing created the world, he made it thus so someone would eventually come up with brain****.

[Querzis]

Well as far as I'm concerned it was the worst insult ever since he insulted himself too but its a good idea to say stupid thing when fighting Nale because he will explain to you why its stupid instead of fighting.

[Silfir]

Maybe it's because I'm German, yet to me "bastard" sounds like quite an insult, if spoken with the right intonation.

[mockingbyrd7]

It's a matter of opinion. I know plenty of soccer moms that would consider it swearing of the most profane kind.

Although, I put profanity in Tiers

Tier 1 (and banned from Network Television and Radio)
C word, F word, S word.

Tier 2
Bastard, and just about everything else

Tier 3
Hell, Damn

Tier 4
Piss, Crap :smalltongue:

[Krytha]

S does not deserve a tier-1 label. No. Way. It's tier-3 at best, if you even consider it a swear word. Although the Giant seems to think so, since its filtered.

[Demented]

Calling someone a "flat", with the right intonation, sounds like an insult.
It's the cultural obscenity of the word that's important.

[mockingbyrd7]

S does not deserve a tier-1 label. No. Way. It's tier-3 at best, if you even consider it a swear word. Although the Giant seems to think so, since its filtered.

So saying Holy Sh-tty sh-tting sh-t is on par with Holy D-mnable D-mning D-mn? Hardly. First one is much more obscene, vulgar, profane, rude, inappropriate, and "naughty" than the second. :smalltongue:

[Shhalahr Windrider]

S does not deserve a tier-1 label. No. Way. It's tier-3 at best, if you even consider it a swear word.
Where are you from? (I'm assuming that may play a role in your perception here...)

Where I'm from, and in most places in the USA, it's at least Tier 1.5 on Logic's scale. I place it there because even with FCC regulations, I don't think many people actually consider it quite as bad as the other two Tier 1s. But it's definitely worse than the other Tier 2s.


Maybe it's because I'm German, yet to me "bastard" sounds like quite an insult, if spoken with the right intonation.
Oh, it definitely can be. Any insult can be 10 times worse when done properly.

In any case, bastard is A-Okay when you're talking about swords. :smallbiggrin:

[krossbow]

Oh yes, very shocking. Never mind the fact that he IMPALED Nale, he cursed! OMG! :smallamused:


Heh, yes, it is a change, but not so much more than that this was an actual knock down fight as opposed to his clowning style of combat used in previous battles (see the first Nale fight).

I'm hoping for a ruroni kenshin style to Elan now, totally incomptent half the time, ridiculously deadly the other.
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[Solmage]

Bastard can be humorous. It is not a terrible insult, although in a medieval setting questioning your parentage had greater ramifications than it does today. (Since calling someone that means that their mother is basically a ... ... ..., and as such any inheritance they might be entitled to just went byebye unless the bastard is the only one around, and even then it will likely be successfully contested by some uncle or something)

As for the other "Tier1", erm, yes. All of them are quite bad.

[Krytha]

So saying Holy Sh-tty sh-tting sh-t is on par with Holy D-mnable D-mning D-mn? Hardly. First one is much more obscene, vulgar, profane, rude, inappropriate, and "naughty" than the second. :smalltongue:

The first one is more obscene etc. etc.? Jeez talk about abusing the meaning of those words. I'll take "naughty" in quotation marks, but the rest is just off. Holy blah blah blah is the same (meaning and offensiveness) as holy poopy pooping poop. Hmmm time to test the filters... although id be really surprised. S has entered the language in such a way that it cannot be more offensive than its synonyms. It is used in the same situation as "nuts" or "shoot" and replaces words like "stuff" as colloquial usage. Its use is almost completely casual and you are more likely to find words like bastard etc. be used in anger than s..t

[Demented]

The only reasons that sh-- could be considered less offensive than bastard is in situations where the former has been used for shock value so much that it loses its meaning, and that is never permanent unless that use continues despite the lack of shock value. Bastard doesn't have the same level of shock value, and its cultural meaning (in saying "your mother is a whore") hardly exists anymore.

[fire_hawk]

Bastard, nowadays, means that you were born when your parents were unmarried. I don't take offense to being called a bastard (I am), but it saddens me to know that most people think bastard is just a person they don't like, and they can use it to insult people, when in fact bastards are just like you or me (particularly me). So yeah... please don't call people bastards... use something else...

Sorry, I'm being a bit of a ********, aren't I?

[Shadow of the Sun]

It saddens me when people my age use gay as an insult. But it cheers me up when I realize that those that do are going to end up flipping burgers for the next 40 years

[Setra]

What saddens me more, is the fact that because of the sheer stupidity of people, the word 'Gay' has changed in official definition.

Though it's fun to use wordplay, to get those people to insult themself. I wonder if Elan might do something like that.

[SupraGuy]

[personal opinion]Damn can be far more profane, depending on one's religious beliefs, than the S word ever will be. To someone of the right religious persuasion, to damn someone is to consign their immortal soul to eternal torment, which is far more profane in nature. To other people, it's a general expression of disgust. Thus different profanity can have different implications to different people.[/personal opinion]

In this case, the use of "bastard" is funny, because of course it cannot apply to :nale: without also applying to :elan: -- and yet, it still functions. Naturally, it's also in part the source of :elan:'s new PC abilities, a fact which :nale: has completely failed to grasp.

[Amon Star]

What saddens me more, is the fact that because of the sheer stupidity of people, the word 'Gay' has changed in official definition.

Though it's fun to use wordplay, to get those people to insult themself. I wonder if Elan might do something like that.

I doubt it. His mental stats havn't gone up at all. More likely that kind of thing will be done to him.

[mockingbyrd7]

Wait a minute, if you consider "crappy" a curse word (minor though it may be), Elan cursed here.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0071.html

Plus, I had a dream last night that Nale ran off and kidnapped Haley and locked himself in another room. Roy and Elan ran after him and Elan kicked the door like in comic 107 or so but he sprained his foot and shouted "Damn it!" and Roy said, "Here, let me help you," and kicked the door open himself. That's all I remember.

[Captain van der Decken]

It seems like Elan's changed alot.

Also, the 'S' word is about as offensive as crap here. Is it just offensive in America, or what?

[mockingbyrd7]

'S' is like crap times four, here in America. It's not as bad as 'Cu', 'F', or by some standards even "female dog" but it's still considered fairly crude. You might see a Middle-School teacher occasionally say crap, but only the wacko teachers or the teachers who just dropped an anvil on their fingers use 'S'.

[Setra]

And some teachers use 'Feces', well one of mine did.

[mockingbyrd7]

Holy feces! :smalltongue:

[Need_A_Life]

"Bastard" hardly qualifies as insulting.

It might even be true that they were born out of wedlock, thus merely being an observation rather than an insult.

If not it is a flawed observation, which merely shows the other party that the speaking party is not amongst the most intelligent of people.

D**n that f****g b*****d!
:amused:

[hyikim]

Plus, I had a dream last night that Nale ran off and kidnapped Haley and locked himself in another room. Roy and Elan ran after him and Elan kicked the door like in comic 107 or so but he sprained his foot and shouted "Damn it!" and Roy said, "Here, let me help you," and kicked the door open himself. That's all I remember.

Elan would most likely scream out crying and need a pretty colored band aid for his foot, and want Roy to kiss it to make it feel better, or maybe that is the old Elan(i hope he doesn't/hasn't changed, he is way funnier as a stupid child)

Roy or Belkar are more in character for the whole "DAMMIT!" thing.

except Belkar is still under that spell, i think...

and Roy would never help Elan without getting ticked off at Elan's stupidity, but this was because Haley was captured.

maybe it was Nale(looks like Elan) and Sabine(almost skin color of Roy) and Nale tried to kick the door open, and Sabine helped.



And that is how you dream went, with Sabine and Nale running, trying to kick down a door, and Nale hurt his foot and Sabine helped get it open :)



you can thank me later ;)



Edit: or maybe Roy sprained his foot and then Elan offered to help and then promptly sprained his foot, too.

But the way its going with #395 is that Roy and Haley are running out after Nale, Sabine, and Elan. Roy offers to kick the door down and Haley goes off on a rant on "just because she is a girl doesnt mean she cant kick open a door"

ok, i'm done

really i am

[Ayya the Fearsome]

The first one is more obscene etc. etc.? Jeez talk about abusing the meaning of those words. I'll take "naughty" in quotation marks, but the rest is just off. Holy blah blah blah is the same (meaning and offensiveness) as holy poopy pooping poop. Hmmm time to test the filters... although id be really surprised. S has entered the language in such a way that it cannot be more offensive than its synonyms. It is used in the same situation as "nuts" or "shoot" and replaces words like "stuff" as colloquial usage. Its use is almost completely casual and you are more likely to find words like bastard etc. be used in anger than s..t

hehe, holy poopy pooping poop.

[hyikim]

sorry bout the earlier post, was tired, bored, and didn't have my coffee yet.

[The Extinguisher]

'S' is like crap times four, here in America. It's not as bad as 'Cu', 'F', or by some standards even "female dog" but it's still considered fairly crude. You might see a Middle-School teacher occasionally say crap, but only the wacko teachers or the teachers who just dropped an anvil on their fingers use 'S'.

Hey, I've had at least two teachers use 'F' before, so you can't really say that.

Anyway, Elan is growing up. Pretty soon he'll be able to insult people with a wider variery of words.

[The Orange Zergling]

Although, I put profanity in Tiers

Ditto, except I have 1-5, and dont really organize too much.

On topic; I never noticed Elan has never sworn before now... huh.

[PaladinFreak]

As someone who only curses when something really really bad happens, I think Nale deserved it.

[Demented]

Use categories instead!

Least
Allowable in front of babies who are being held by campaigning politicians on world-wide Television.
Allowable in front of children with extremely protective parents who also happen to be in the room, wielding baseball bats.
Allowable in front of children.
Allowable on Children's Television.
Allowable in front of particularly sensitive adults.
Allowable on evening Television.
Allowable in front of teenagers.
Allowable on late-night Television.
Allowable in conversation with a drunk sailor.
Allowable on Music Television.
Not allowable anywhere, ever, for any reason.

Worst

[War]

Not swearing much, and developing a reputation for it, so that you can bust the cussin' out when it really counts and watch people look startled, is way more fun than swearing all the time. :smallbiggrin:

I count "bastard" as a swear word when it's not being used literally, but the fact that it has a literal meaning with no polite-r alternatives waters it down. And people really don't care about wedlock as much as they used to anyway, so it's not very effective as an insult. Definitely low-tier.

But very silly from Elan to Nale. Like your mom calling you a son of a.

S is certainly a swear word (at least in America)! You can't say it on TV, and that's the closest thing to an objective indicator we have. It seems like it's been getting more common, so it might someday lose the status, but not yet.

F has to be in a tier of its own, though, or at least 0.5 or something. I mean... C can be about as inappropriate, depending on the situation, but it's the F word. THE F word! It's the word kids try to grow up faster to learn. It reigns triumphantly over all other profanities on a throne of cruel iron, with a cute little crown too.

This thread has also shown me that "cuss" is fun to say.

[BardicLasher]

I'd just like to point out that the term "Bastard Sword" is in the PHB. True, it's an adjective referring to a type of sword, but I'd say that pretty much diffuses any capability it has of being THAT bad a word.

[mikeejimbo]

I thought Elan using "bastard" was part of his special ability to add his Charisma to damage.

[damieus]

'Bastard' is rarely used to actually refer to someone's parentage. In fact, I have never used it that way, nor heard it used that way. To assume that someone calling someone else a bastard is actually referring to whether they were born out of wedlock or not is either naive or intentionally overly literal-minded.

[Tussy the Druid]

Now that elan is dashing swordsman, does this mean his over all attitude has changed, or was that just because he had to make a quip for the damage?

[Shakalooloo_Doom]

Elan swearing I don't find that alarming.

What I find alarming is that Sabine, the sex-skank, uses the word 'heck' in place of Hell. Who'da thought she'd be such a prude in that respect?

[ElfLad]

It may be that she doesn't want to take hell's name in vain.

And when people use bastard to refer to someone born out of wedlock, I've always heard it used in the phrase "bastard child," never by itself.

[The Vorpal Tribble]

Heh, yes, what Elan said is strong language. Its just too bad that its concept means so little anymore. So many folks turning marriage and commitment into a big joke.

Crap is about the strongest word I use, and even its done sparingly. By both upbringing, beliefs, and plain preference I don't think much of cursing (or cussin' as we say here in the south).

[Charity322]

Does anyone know how the bastard sword actually got its name? Just curious.

[nybbler]

I think it's a bastard sword because it's neither a true one-handed sword nor a true two-handed sword. Similar to a bastard file, which is in between coarse and fine.

Evidence of OOTS 50 suggests that Nale and Elan were born while their parents were still married, so they aren't literally bastards.

[n00b_d00d36]

well bastard sword isn't a cuss word is it?
its just a sword type. it al just words.:confused:
whats the big deal?

[orcbane]

Its the better, badder, PrC-packin' Elan!

[vbushido]

Does anyone know how the bastard sword actually got its name? Just curious.

My guess would be from the definition of bastard (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bastard) as an adjective meaning "unusual in size or shape."

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[Hallavast]

My guess would be from the definition of bastard (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bastard) as an adjective meaning "unusual in size or shape."

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Interesting. I had always thought of a bastard sword as being "bastardized" so to speak. That is- a sort of mixing point between two things (longsword and greatsword). For example, English is considered a bastard language due to it having latin, germanic, and celtic parentage.

On another note, why do people say "cuss"? I suppose I can accept it as a southern version of "curse", but It seems to be used in many different regions. For example, while people in Chicago use "cuss" even though the phonetics of the word don't particularly fit the regional accent. How do you folks in other English speaking countries pronounce the word? At any rate, even if you must pronounce the word as "cuss", why in the world would you deign to type it out as such? I don't get it!

[Setra]

I used to think, and still find the thought humorous, that they were called 'Bastard Swords' because early on, someone killed a man who was about to marry his pregnant fiance, and her child was born a bastard.

I much prefer Claymores myself.

[Demented]

They're bastard swords because nobody knows where the term came from.
Oh, and whoever made up the term was the ancient ancestor to whoever came up with these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym).

[Hallavast]

They're bastard swords because nobody knows where the term came from.
Oh, and whoever made up the term was the ancient ancestor to whoever came up with these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym).
Forgive me, but this is one of the most brilliant references I've seen all day.

[Amon Star]

well bastard sword isn't a cuss word is it?
its just a sword type. it al just words.:confused:
whats the big deal?

QFT. Stealth extra characters.