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Xuldarinar

2013-09-17, 11:48 AM

Fax Celestis

2013-09-17, 12:24 PM

...why are you taking Diviner at all?

Xuldarinar

2013-09-17, 12:47 PM

...why are you taking Diviner at all?

Shadowcasters lack 3rd level divination, which is needed. By the time I've finished loremaster I can have a 6th level divination, meaning i no longer have need of diviner for the prerequites, so i can then take advantage of creeping darkness.

Spells: Able to cast seven different divinations spells, one of which must be 3rd level or higher.

Chronos

2013-09-17, 01:09 PM

Does Shadowcaster have any lower-level divinations? Is there a Heighten Mystery feat?

A_S

2013-09-17, 01:12 PM

Mysteries don't count for specific spell prerequisites, even if they mimic a spell. No warlock entry for them.

Fax Celestis

2013-09-17, 01:23 PM

Mysteries don't count for specific spell prerequisites, even if they mimic a spell. No warlock entry for them.

It's not a specific spell prereq. It's a spell school prereq, of which mysteries specifically have schools.

However, you can't meet the seven div spells requirement until 17th(!).

However, I would recommend looking at the Dark Scholar prestige class in Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde: it works basically the same way as Loremaster with some different options. Better prerequisites, but it specifies arcane casting for entry. See if your DM will allow you to qualify as a shadowcaster (you really should be able to, because seriously, that prereq limitation shadowcaster has should really be an "or" rather than an "and", which would solve a lot of issues the class has).

Xuldarinar

2013-09-17, 01:23 PM

Does Shadowcaster have any lower-level divinations? Is there a Heighten Mystery feat?

If i recall correctly, They have 2 fundimentals, a 1st level, and 2 2nd level. The next level with divination is 6th.

Mysteries don't count for specific spell prerequisites, even if they mimic a spell. No warlock entry for them.

They dont for specific, such as requiring Detect magic. School based requirements shouldnt be a problem. The problem arrises here in number of myseteries and level, he se the diviner entery idea.

And if i recall correctly, warlock invocations lack Schools entirely, making the point irrelivant from the stand point of prerequisites of that nature.

Fax Celestis

2013-09-17, 01:30 PM

It's not a specific spell prereq. It's a spell school prereq, of which mysteries specifically have schools.

However, you can't meet the seven div spells requirement until 17th(!).

However, I would recommend looking at the Dark Scholar prestige class in Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde: it works basically the same way as Loremaster with some different options. Better prerequisites, but it specifies arcane casting for entry. See if your DM will allow you to qualify as a shadowcaster (you really should be able to, because seriously, that prereq limitation shadowcaster has should really be an "or" rather than an "and", which would solve a lot of issues the class has).

Expanding on this: if you went this way, I might recommend doing something like Shadowcaster 5/Paragnostic Apostle 5/Dark Scholar 10.

A_S

2013-09-17, 05:49 PM

It's not a specific spell prereq. It's a spell school prereq, of which mysteries specifically have schools.
You're absolutely right. Whoops!

Xuldarinar

2013-09-17, 07:12 PM

I've looked up the Dark Scholar. I have to admit, it fits and wouldn't take much to adapt it to shadowcasters.

Atleast change the spellcasting requirement to:
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 4th-level arcane spells or mysteries.
or even just:
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 4th-level spells
I can see Archivists making interesting Dark Scholars.

if you wanted this to be shadowcaster specific:
Mysteries: Ability to cast 4th-level mysteries.

If you wanted to further adapt, making this work with shadowcaster organizations:
Special: You must have an affiliation score of 9 or higher with the Tenebrous Cabal to become a dark scholar. If your affiliation score drops below 9 after you become a dark scholar, you retain all class features but you can't advance further in the class.