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Xunthrae
2013-09-18, 07:37 AM
Hey! In the campaign I'm Dming I have this concept for a Bard who uses his music to manipulate and control people (possibly undead too, i think my group would love an ode to Thriller) to do his bidding and I'm not sure how to pull this off since I don't know a ton about bards.

The only way i can think of getting his Bards spells to affect undead would be to dip into Wizard [Necromancy] to get the class feature allowing his mind affecting spells to affect Undead since i wanna make this with as little hand waving as possible. Also, I'm leaning towards level 10-12 since the group has only now run into him at level 4 under the assumption he is friendly with them since he killed a group of goblins in a cave they were clearing out for a local power.

He has been seen as a Half-elf, but that doesn't have to stay the same since at the point the party saw him he'd definitely have a way to change his appearance. but I'd like to stay away from planar races since my group has been addicted to Teifling Pcs, though if someone here comes up with a cool concept using one I'd not be opposed to using it.

If knowing the party would help (all level 4 atm):
Vanaran Monk
Tiefling Druid
Tiefling Magus
Aasimar Cleric
Kitsune Rogue
Human Paladin
-tentative player-
Grippli Druid

Thank you for any input you give!

Pentagon
2013-09-18, 08:40 AM
Requiem: feat from Libra Mortis and I think complete mage/arcane lets you affect undead with your bardic music.

Lvl 5 Dirgesinger, also Libra Mortis lets you animate dead with your song... pretty cool for a BBEG. I'd be tempted to bump off notable people such as the mayor/priest etc and then have him reanimate them...

Lvl 5 prequisite I think, so a lvl 10 Bard/Singer could work

Da'Shain
2013-09-18, 09:06 AM
Dirge Bard (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo---bard-archetypes/dirge-bard), "Secrets of the Grave", lets the bard use mind-affecting spells to affect Undead as if they were living even if they're mindless, but still treats them as not being humanoid so you have to use e.g. Charm Monster instead of Charm person.

One level of sorceror with the Undead Bloodline (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/undead-bloodline) is I assume what you meant by "dip into wizard [necromancy]", as necromancer wizards get Command Undead but do not get the Undead bloodline arcana allowing corporeal humanoid undead to be treated as humanoids for mind-affecting spells.

Combine those two and you'll have a pretty good approximation of what you're looking for.

Also, while it's 3.5, obligatory link (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5496158) whenever someone has a bard BBEG. Awesome tips for making the bard a major, major threat.

Psyren
2013-09-18, 09:08 AM
Give him Threnodic Spell (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/threnodic-spell-metamagic) too, or at least a rod. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rods/metamagic-rods/metamagic-rod-threnodic)

Xunthrae
2013-09-19, 10:36 AM
Thanks guys! I'll be sure to check those out :D