Cranking up Dex more is "impossible"

[WebTiefling]

Or so I've determined.

I've got my Dex+6 magic item, and I can't afford the Manuals of Dex / Wish spells to get the +5 Inherent bonuses.

Is my Dex maxed out except for my once-every-four-levels increases?

I can't figure out any other improvements.

But, the Giant knows all, so I'm coming in hopes that there is something I'm missing.

[Snowbluff]

Hey look, a tiefling. Have you met Honest Tiefling?

Anyway, try a template.

[Nettlekid]

Off the top of my head, the Divine Agility spell grants +10 enhancement bonus to Dex. Greater Visage of the Deity is high level, but grants an unnamed bonus. Inner Beauty grants a +4 sacred bonus if you're good. And because all of those are Transmutation spells, if you take the feat Ability Enhancer (from the Dragon Compendium, I think. Requires Spell Focus: Transmutation) then they'll grant an extra +2 each.

[Zanos]

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=13134

This should be comprehensive.

[WebTiefling]

Off the top of my head, the Divine Agility spell grants +10 enhancement bonus to Dex. Greater Visage of the Deity is high level, but grants an unnamed bonus. Inner Beauty grants a +4 sacred bonus if you're good. And because all of those are Transmutation spells, if you take the feat Ability Enhancer (from the Dragon Compendium, I think. Requires Spell Focus: Transmutation) then they'll grant an extra +2 each.

Divine Agility doesn't boost Dex above 18.

Greater Visage is incredible. I'll see if I can figure out some way to get it, but I was hoping for something closer to "permanent".

Inner Beauty is awesome! The cost of a command word item would be 4*10*1800*1.5 = 108,000 gp for +4 sacred to Dex and Cha. A bit on the pricey side, but knocking it down to a time or two per day pulls it down into range, but then it's only for 100 minutes at a time.

[GoodbyeSoberDay]

Divine Agility doesn't boost Dex above 18.You're thinking of the 3.0 version. The 3.5 version just gives you a +10 enhancement bonus with no extra clause. Also no reflex save weirdness...

[WebTiefling]

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=13134

This should be comprehensive.

Wow. That's ... awesome. o_O

[Platymus Pus]

Or so I've determined.

I've got my Dex+6 magic item, and I can't afford the Manuals of Dex / Wish spells to get the +5 Inherent bonuses.

Is my Dex maxed out except for my once-every-four-levels increases?

I can't figure out any other improvements.

But, the Giant knows all, so I'm coming in hopes that there is something I'm missing.
Managed to get 31 dex on someone without the inherent bonuses and anything to broken.
Spells are your friend here.
need to know if there are any limitations you have and what version you are playing

[Sir_Thaddeus]

Try Polymorphing into something with high Dex, then adding the magic items. I'm not sure off the top of my head of anything that would work (Str is easier to boost with Polymorph than Dex - big creatures), but if you find something, that will give you a higher baseline than whatever you had from whatever humanoid race you probably are.

If you're using Pathfinder, Polymorph and similar spells won't directly change your abilities like that, but you could get size bonuses to Dex, which stack with enhancement, inherent, and any other bonus type other than size.

[rockdeworld]

Not on the list Zanos provided is Tauric template. Nothing better for nigh-unlimited Dex short of Pun-Pun :smallsmile: (unless that Warp Touch disease works the way I think I does o_O)

[WebTiefling]

Managed to get 31 dex on someone without the inherent bonuses and anything to broken.
Spells are your friend here.
need to know if there are any limitations you have and what version you are playing

He's been playing for a while, so tossing in templates or races at this point is largely out. We'd need to make a pretty heavy duty side trip to justify me gaining the Dark template or something. Not going to happen for group campaign reasons.

I've got about 40K burning a hole.

I'm not a spell caster, so I'd have to get it through items.

Apparently Divine Agility DOES just grant a straight up +10 Enh to Dex. The only "problem" is its cost to put it on a wand or some other item. I think a wand would run 34000 gp for 50 charges of a 9 round effect.

(thanks Nettlekid and GoodbyeSoberDay)

Zanos' link lists Elation and Grace - 2nd and 3rd level spells for morale and sacred that would crank up my Dex by 4 total and my Str by 2. Those are cheap enough I could pop those onto Wondrous Items. I hadn't heard of those spells!

What else might I be missing?

[Rubik]

Do you want actual Dex, or will Dex checks and skill checks work? Three levels of factotum grant +Int to those (plus other things like attack/damage/AC/saves), and one level of marshal grants +Cha.

[WebTiefling]

Polymorph - is there any problem it can't solve?!?! :smallsmile:

I'll keep that in mind as a prime contender. I can run the PaO route on that, though I like my character's Tiefling look.

I might double-PaO him into something and then Alter Self him back into his regular form. :smallbiggrin:

[Zanos]

Be careful with custom magic items of spells. The table has estimating in it for a reason, and your DM may decide that a continuous item of a spell that gives a non-enhancement bonus to an ability score may be worth, say, ten times as much. Jacking your ability scores sky-high in general is a way to make your DM mad faster than usual anyway. Feat/spell/class feature interactions are usually more subtle, but when you hand him/her your character sheet and you have 60 dex, you can bet you're going to be asked some questions. Make sure whatever you're doing is cool with your DM first.

[WebTiefling]

Bother. The Grace spell makes it a silvery glow with -20 to Hide. Not good for my sneaky character.

Elation is nice, but the x4 cost to make it a permanent magic item puts it up to 48K. A bit much for a +2.

Maybe a Command Word item. That gets it down to 10,800 gp. 3 rounds at a time, though is icky.

The Divine Agility is making me salivate if I could figure out the cost somehow.

[WebTiefling]

Do you want actual Dex, or will Dex checks and skill checks work? Three levels of factotum grant +Int to those (plus other things like attack/damage/AC/saves), and one level of marshal grants +Cha.

I'll check out Factotum and Marshal. I've looked briefly at Factotum before and have had trouble parsing through all the effects and meanings. I'll work at it a bit more.

Marshal for a 1 level dip using Motivate Dexterity might actually fit the character. His Cha bonus is +2 at the moment, but a relatively inexpensive bit of +Cha magic would help that a bit more.

He has a bunch of Dex-based attacking abilities, though, and it would be nice to buff those too.

[Platymus Pus]

He's been playing for a while, so tossing in templates or races at this point is largely out. We'd need to make a pretty heavy duty side trip to justify me gaining the Dark template or something. Not going to happen for group campaign reasons.


He can just shoot for classes that treat another stat like dex and multiclass.


Do you want it to actual Dex, or will Dex checks and skill checks work? Three levels of factotum grant +Int to those (plus other things like attack/damage/AC), and one level of marshal grants +Cha.

Combining paladin/anti with marshal sounds fun.
Could go for battledancer instead if armor isn't your style possibly.

[WebTiefling]

He can just shoot for classes that treat another stat like dex and multiclass.
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Could go for battledancer instead if armor isn't your style possibly.

I'm not sure I can think of a class that treats another stat like Dex, and wouldn't that just replace Dex instead of stacking?

A dip of Battledancer just for the AC bonus might fit too, but in general we don't do a lot of one-level dipping. Of course, there is enough in the class to make it a potential longer-term path.

[WebTiefling]

... Elation is nice, but the x4 cost to make it a permanent magic item puts it up to 48K. A bit much for a +2.
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The Divine Agility is making me salivate if I could figure out the cost somehow.

Hmmm, requiring a Knowledge (religion) skill and making the items only for Rogues might knock it down enough to fit. Elation does grant +2 Dex & Str and +5 movement, and grants it to allies as well. Even with those price breaks it's still 30K, which is a bit much just considering it on myself. Maybe I could ask him about making it a personal-only effect to knock the price down a bit more. Of course, specializing the spell might make it more expensive.

Divine Agility command word once per day is 16200, and if my DM goes for the Skill and Class price reductions, it would knock it down to 10K. It only gives me +4 above what my regular +6 item grants, but ... it might be worth it for that moment I REALLY need it. Hmmmm .... 9 rounds.

Inner Beauty - command word unlimited is +4 to Dex and Cha for 10 min/lvl. Costs 72000. I might ask the DM for the Skill/Class restriction discount to knock it down around 45K. +4 to each of those would be probably worth 45K.

I'll see if he'll go for that. 72K is a bit much.

[John Longarrow]

Easiest way I can think of is to go looking for an "Escort" that's a were-direbat. One bite an you get 4 racial HD, 2 LA, an +6STR/+12DEX/+6CON in hybrid form. Plus you get to be large (something the dex compensates for nicely).