Spells Known

[Xar Zarath]

sorry if I appear noob-ish but I need some clarification. I know that a wizard gets 2 spells per level yes? and with the int modifier will gain additional spells.

My question is how many spells does a 30th level wizard have memorized? I tried doing the math but as far as I can see from the srd even a 40+ intelligence only gets you 2 extra spell slots? for 9th level spells.

I want to know the exact...well calculation for the wizard spell memorized. I have seen another wizard character on this forum with 20 over 9th level spells memorized! How do I get that( the amount of spells memorized that is!)

[Hammerpriest]

Step One: Acquire a scroll of X spell (where X is the spell you wish to have memorized) or borrow another wizard's spellbook.
Step Two: Ensure you have enough pages in your spellbook to contain the spell. Remember that each spell takes up one page per spell level (0th level spells take up 1/2th page.) and that each spellbook has one hundred pages.
Step Three: Ensure that you have the gold handy for the ink it takes to scribe the spell. (Spell level x 100gp) in addition to the cost of borrowing the book if you borrowed it. (Spell level x 50gp)
Step Four: Pass the Spellcraft check (DC 15+Spell Level) to successfully scribe the scroll into your spellbook.
Step Five: Do you know every spell? If no, go back to step one. If yes, profit.

The truth is that wizards only have a cap on spells they can prepare in one day, and not how many they can have in their library of spells. In addition, INT mod only grants them additional spells at first level and bonus spells per day, and not more spells per level. I hope that helped.

[Sith_Happens]

I think the OP switched to asking about spells per day after the first paragraph.

[Hamste]

0th level spells still take up an entire page but other than that yes that is how to learn more spells. A high level wizard should invest in Blessed books since the reduction in the cost of scribing spells in well worth it.

[Xar Zarath]

Step One: Acquire a scroll of X spell (where X is the spell you wish to have memorized) or borrow another wizard's spellbook.
Step Two: Ensure you have enough pages in your spellbook to contain the spell. Remember that each spell takes up one page per spell level (0th level spells take up 1/2th page.) and that each spellbook has one hundred pages.
Step Three: Ensure that you have the gold handy for the ink it takes to scribe the spell. (Spell level x 100gp) in addition to the cost of borrowing the book if you borrowed it. (Spell level x 50gp)
Step Four: Pass the Spellcraft check (DC 15+Spell Level) to successfully scribe the scroll into your spellbook.
Step Five: Do you know every spell? If no, go back to step one. If yes, profit.

The truth is that wizards only have a cap on spells they can prepare in one day, and not how many they can have in their library of spells. In addition, INT mod only grants them additional spells at first level and bonus spells per day, and not more spells per level. I hope that helped.

Thanks for the reply. So that means that the higher my Int mod I can prepare more spells?

[Xar Zarath]

I think the OP switched to asking about spells per day after the first paragraph.

Yes that was my question after the first paragraph. I want to know how many spells a 30th level wizard has prepared/memorized from 0-9 (and epic) spell level.:smallredface:

[mattie_p]

Even if you went straight wizard 30, your character would not increase in spells per day after level 20. This is straight from the epic level wizard class available on the online SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/classProgressions.htm#epicWizard).


Spells
The wizard’s caster level is equal to her class level. The wizard’s number of spells per day does not increase after 20th level. Each time the wizard achieves a new level, he or she learns two new spells of any spell levels that he or she can cast (according to his or her new level).

So you take your level 20 row on the wizard spells per day table, then add your bonus spells for intelligence.

You also gain no epic level slots unless you take the feat Epic Spellcasting, and those epic spells per day (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spellsIntro.htm#epicSpellsPerDay) are based on (for a wizard) your ranks in knowledge arcana divided by 10, and rounded down. Presuming you max out your knowledge arcana ranks, you'd have 3. This is not modified for high intelligence.

[Xar Zarath]

Umm ok, but from what I can see lets say I want to prepare 9th level spells. My spells per day table says I can prepare 4 spells? and with a high int of say 40+ I can add maybe 2 or 3 extra spells prepared?

[Aracor]

That is correct. If you are a generalist wizard with no specialization or class features, you can prepare 4 level 9 spells, plus additional ones based on your intelligence. As long as your intelligence is is at least 28, you'll get one bonus spell of 9th level. If your intelligence is 36, you'll be able to prepare two bonus spells of 9th level, and at 44, you'll get three bonus (for 7 total). If you're a specialist wizard, you can also prepare one additional spell of each level of your specialist school, so that would bring you up to 8 9th level spells prepared.

[Xar Zarath]

Thanks Aracor for clarifying. So that means on the whole a 30th level wizard will not have that many spells after all...and here I thought they had so many spells per day:smallannoyed:

But from what I have seen of the ability score table on the srd it only goes up to 40 something. If I want to go beyond that what do i do ?

[mattie_p]

You basically extrapolate the continuation of the table (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm#abilitiesAndSpellcasters). Look at the very bottom row which says "etc. . .". That means it continues indefinitely.

One other thing you may want to look at is the epic feat Improved spell capacity (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#improvedSpellCapacity). It provides spell slots (and the ability to get bonus spells of that level from high ability score) of 10th level or higher, for use with spells modified by metamagic.

[AmberVael]

But from what I have seen of the ability score table on the srd it only goes up to 40 something. If I want to go beyond that what do i do ?


You basically extrapolate the continuation of the table (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/theBasics.htm#abilitiesAndSpellcasters). Look at the very bottom row which says "etc. . .". That means it continues indefinitely.

The formula behind this table is as follows:

(Ability Modifier + 1 - Spell Level) / 4

Round up to the nearest whole number.

[Xar Zarath]

Ok now that I know a even a epic Wizard does not have a lot of spells, how do I increase their spells per day? (besides rings of wizardry)

[Sith_Happens]

Ok now that I know a even a epic Wizard does not have a lot of spells, how do I increase their spells per day? (besides rings of wizardry)


One other thing you may want to look at is the epic feat Improved spell capacity (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#improvedSpellCapacity). It provides spell slots (and the ability to get bonus spells of that level from high ability score) of 10th level or higher, for use with spells modified by metamagic.

Because why worry about getting more 9th level slots when you can have 12th level slots?

[Xar Zarath]

Because why worry about getting more 9th level slots when you can have 12th level slots?

Having more spells per day is wonderful! Get to do more stuff!:smallredface:

[nedz]

It's almost unheard of for high level Wizards to run out of spells, though it is more common for them to run out of high level ones. Should this happen though, then they just break out the scrolls. Wands and Staffs are also useful in this regard.

[Xar Zarath]

It's almost unheard of for high level Wizards to run out of spells, though it is more common for them to run out of high level ones. Should this happen though, then they just break out the scrolls. Wands and Staffs are also useful in this regard.

Thanks for the advice. As an aside, since I want to go more battlefield control, what sort of scrolls/wands/staff/rings etc should I go to complement my per day repertoire?

[Lord Haart]

a 30th level wizard

battlefield control

Well, you, like, make a plane that is a perfect battlefield for you and then, like, turn off all the other planes in existance so the dude you're gonna fight has no choice but to come to you.