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Pinkie Pyro

2013-09-25, 01:58 AM

We've all pointed and laughed and eventually pitied the fighter in it's futile efforts to be a worthwhile class for more than 2 levels. People spend a lot of time trying to balance bad classes such as this, and move them up to teir 3 at least, but what happens when you go further?

Imagine a world in which a fighter may not only pick any feat, but do so regardless of prerequisites. Just what world shattering, wizard maiming, campaign note tearing shenanigans would be possible with such an absurd buff?

Things that come to mind would be the same old 2 level dip for nothing but epic feats; fast healing, auto-metamagic... epic dodge? Not many epic feats come to mind really, though it seems this buff would help wizards more than fighters...

Emperor Tippy

2013-09-25, 02:08 AM

Congrats, that makes the Fighter tier 3 assuming that the person picking the feats is reasonably competent.

gooddragon1

2013-09-25, 02:11 AM

Congrats, that makes the Fighter tier 3 assuming that the person picking the feats is reasonably competent.

You forget a book called: Epic Spellcasting (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#epicSpellcasting) and the 0 DC Spellcraft Epic Spell

10 ranks of knowledge arcana later you can cast an epic spell at 7th level. I'm sure there's a feat out there that lets you get knowledge arcana as a class skill.

Transform Seed (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/seeds/transform.htm)

Takes 10 minutes to cast and you take 2d6 backlash. Transform into a solar. Start the pun-pun ascension.

*Que he-man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeA7a0uS3A) music*

Pinkie Pyro

2013-09-25, 02:11 AM

Congrats, that makes the Fighter tier 3 assuming that the person picking the feats is reasonably competent.

Tier 3, and isn't that just sad? Any feat from any book, and it only makes you as good as a bard...

Douglas

2013-09-25, 02:16 AM

Permanent Emanation (Greater Consumptive Field) on a level 1 Fighter would be fun.

With a sufficiently flexible interpretation of ignoring prerequisites, Innate Spell (Miracle) would shoot you straight up to tier 1 or even 0.

gooddragon1

2013-09-25, 02:21 AM

ddude987

2013-09-25, 06:49 AM

Interestingly enough a monk can, with acfs, take his bonus feats as fighter feats with no prerequisites

Der_DWSage

2013-09-25, 08:57 AM

...I'm now horribly tempted to start a campaign where there are no true wizard classes. Instead, the party is the first-they're pure martial classes such as the Fighter, capable of buying Epic Spell feats with a Spellcraft DC of 0. They are the first sorcerers, and the world crumbles underneath their strange magic.

That would make Fighters interesting to play again, in the absence of true spellcasters. Intelligent fighters now create and design their own spells, having a wider variety than any other class...

Chronos

2013-09-25, 11:27 AM

They really wouldn't be fighters any more, though. If you're going to create a class like this, you ought to at least change the name.

rockdeworld

2013-09-25, 05:04 PM

Tier 3, and isn't that just sad? Any feat from any book, and it only makes you as good as a bard...
"Oh no, I'm only as good as a bard (http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-character-optimization/threads/1104541)!" :smallbiggrin:

Really, though, the problem with fighters is that they're boring to play in combat. Regardless of how powerful they are, fixing that problem should be the second priority for any fighter fix. The first should be looking at the warblade.