Flick Snickt Elven Wizard

[tricktroller]

Ok folks, its me again. I found some interesting feats once again to use in the AEG feats book for an Gray Elven Wizard "Gish"

He is a full Wizard for 20 levels he might think about prestiging but probably not.

Feats

Fl1 Elven Blood Fire Elf (+1 BAB)
Fl2 Weapon Familiarity (For elven Courtblade)
1st Power Attack
W1 Weapon Finesse
3rd Combat Expertise
W5 Rope a Dope
6th Superior Finesse
9th Knowledge Devotion
W10 Warrior General
12th
15th
W15 Improved Crit Elven Courtblade
18th
W20

So he will be a Focused Specialist Transmuter. He is going to start at 6th level.

Stats
Str 13
Dex 20(22 Gloves of dex 2)
Con 16 (18 Toad familiar, group uses 3.0 toad)
Int 21 (23 Headband of Int +2)
Wis 11
Cha 13

So I rolled 3 18s and saw some cool stuff.

So rope a dope allows me to add double my Int mod to an attack roll if I miss my first attack on purpose. Superior Finesse allows me to add dex instead of strength for Damage with finesseable weapons. I intend to turn into high dex forms and slice things to ribbons whilst being a wizard. He is no GOD wizard but he would be a lot of fun to kill things with.

Gear at 6th
+1 Elven Courtblade
Metamagic rod, extend, lesser
Headband of INt +2
Gloves of Dex +2
+1 Mithral Chain shirt, feycraft, thistledown padded
Comp Longbow

[GreenETC]

If you're an Elf and you're looking to gish, look no further than the Swiftblade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327), one of the greatest gishes ever. An elf auto-qualifies at level 6 as a Wizard, allowing you to grab all the way up to level 9 without losing 9th level spells. This is a very good character, easily able to make up for the loss.

And I would recommend against Elven Courtblade, because you don't gain anything over using a regular rapier really.

[tricktroller]

Except for double returns on power attack.

[GreenETC]

Except for double returns on power attack.
Power Attack: If you attack with a two-handed weapon, or with a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands, instead add twice the number subtracted from your attack rolls.

Rapier: Martial One-Handed Melee Critical: 18–20/×2 Type: Piercing
There's no reason you can't just do this.

[tricktroller]

from the SRD

"Rapier
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn’t a light weapon for you. You can’t wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1½ times your Strength bonus to damage."

Emphasis mine.

[Icarusthefallen]

Style and apperance make a difference.

[GreenETC]

Doesn't say that you can't wield it in two-hands for Power Attack. :smallamused:

[tricktroller]

...... As a DM I would rule that if you cannot use it two handed to get 1 and 1/2 your strength to it you cannot use it two handed for any reason. And I think most DM's would agree on this. That is splitting hairs. That would be like saying you can use a dagger two handed to get double returns from power attack.

[GreenETC]

...... As a DM I would rule that if you cannot use it two handed to get 1 and 1/2 your strength to it you cannot use it two handed for any reason. And I think most DM's would agree on this. That is splitting hairs. That would be like saying you can use a dagger two handed to get double returns from power attack.
Well of course you can't, a Dagger is a light weapon, which means you get no Power Attack returns from it. The Rapier is the only weapon where this situation can even arise, and Power Attack only requires to use of two hands, not the requirement of dealing 1.5x your Str damage.

I'd recommend getting EWP: Spiked Chain instead if you can't fudge the Rapier, considering it gives you reach, 2x Power Attack returns, and can be Finessed.

[tricktroller]

Either way I am burning a feat for it. The style of the courtblade is a lot of what I am going for here. If I wanted to be super powered I wouldn't be a transmuter I'd be a conjurer. I like the idea of the graceful courtblade dancer wizard who wields the weapon in an elegant and deadly dance of magic and steel.

Plus the spiked chain is halfway to broken.

[GreenETC]

Either way I am burning a feat for it. The style of the courtblade is a lot of what I am going for here. If I wanted to be super powered I wouldn't be a transmuter I'd be a conjurer. I like the idea of the graceful courtblade dancer wizard who wields the weapon in an elegant and deadly dance of magic and steel.

Plus the spiked chain is halfway to broken.
I'd respectfully disagree, since it's one of the few Exotic Weapons I'd consider worth taking the feat for, but that may just be me.

Also, Transmutation is generally better than Conjuration in terms of sheer power, since Haste and Polymorph are things. Also, I'd definitely recommend Swiftblade again, since it works really well with the idea of a guy who moves super fast and flits in and out of combat without being touchable. Finish up with Abjurant Champion and you get 17 BaB, a very respectable amount for a guy who casts the maximum level of spells.

[tricktroller]

I will be ignoring the polymorph line of spells to be nice to the dm. Nothing says WTF Banhammer like an alter self into a dwarven ancestor..

I like the spiked chain but this is really about flavor on the courtblade.

The only problems I see with swiftblade are the feat requirements. My feats are all eaten up for the first 10 levels of this character. I need dodge and mobility. I would not use items to qualify for the prestige class. Just asking to have them taken away and then make me useless.

[pilvento]

1 level of monk gives you finesse and opens a feat for kungfugenius, you lose 1 caster lvl, but now you can go unarmored (mage armor) and add int to AC.

Edit: my first character was a swiftblade, a 4year campaign from 1 to 20... the max spell lvl was 7, Monk/Sorcerer/EFist/Swiftblade.
The DM still hates me and my 120ft movement + spell + full attack action

[GreenETC]

Yes, that's always one of the biggest problems. What are the prereqs on Superior Finesse, Warrior General, Rope a Dope, and Elven Blood? We might be able to free up some feats, considering that you have a bunch of feats open later, and you're not even getting all of the feats you need until after level 9 anyway.

[tricktroller]

trying not to multiclass out of wizard unless its a prc. Also trying to keep my spellcasting to buffs and debuffs. Banned schools are necro enchantment and evoc.

[tricktroller]

I need elven blood to take weapon finesse at 1st level as well as weapon familiarity. Really the things from 1st to 6th are pretty much what I want so it could be warrior general and knowledge devotion I got rid of to get into swiftblade at level 10.

Superior finesse requires combat expertise and weapon finesse as well as a BAB of 3 I believe.

Warrior General is BAB 6 and it adds your int to attack rolls if your int is higher than the enemies. at 10th I should have somewhere near a 30 hopefully.

[GreenETC]

I'd say that dropping Power Attack might be more useful to you for now, considering you can't use it very often, and picking it up later on once you've been playing around in PrCs for a while. The problem with going mostly Wizard is that you lose out on a ton of BaB, which isn't usually too much a problem, but having so much Wizard is usually not worth it in the long run, especially for someone who wants to get up close, since you get bad BaB, Fort, and HP.

But yes, the biggest problems I can see are that you need a +1 BaB for Weapon Finesse and Imp. Weapon Familiarity. If you could convince your DM to allow you to take either Imp. Weapon Familiarity or Exotic Weapon Proficiency without their +1 BaB requirement, or letting you trade racial weapon proficiencies with Elven weapons for the Courtblade, or convincing him to let you take a flaw at any level other than one, you'd be fine.

Otherwise, the best I can do is this, which ditches Power Attack and the Courtblade for just getting Int and Dex all over the place to damage:
F. Dodge
1. Combat Expertise
W. Mobility
3. Weapon Finesse
W. Rope a Dope
6. Superior Finesse
9. Warrior General

[tricktroller]

actually if I take Elven blood fire elf then I can take swiftblade 1 at 6th level. 5th will use only haste and 6th will be the first level of swiftblade because I will have +3 bab and 5th level I can use haste the whole level.

Fl1 Dodge
Fl2 Mobility
1st Elven Blood Fire Elf
W1 Weapon FInesse
3rd Combat Expertise
W5 Rope a dope
6th Superior Finesse.

It doesn't do quite as much damage as my previous build, however, it has lots of nifty stuff from 9 levels of swiftblade and 5 levels of Abjurant champion

And until I get abjurant champ I can wield a mithral buckler for even more AC without using buff spells!

[GreenETC]

Plus, the Mobility and Spring Attack stuff basically means you can fly all over the battlefield hitting things in the ass with your massive brain. Sounds like a giant sack of fun, so good luck with it, and hope the rest of your party can keep up. :smallwink:

Also, since you have a free level now (Wiz 5/Swift 9/Champ 5), you should figure out what your last 1 level of PrC should be, though another level of Wizard wouldn't be half bad, giving you another BaB.

[tricktroller]

Haha he is gonna be fast and hitting things hard. I wish there was a way to emulate shadowblade or insightful strike without having to dip.

[pilvento]

Ask your DM to turn the bracers of Heartfellblows into the Bracers of Brain...thinking...blows? yeah, sounds legit. Int to DmG for 8000

[GreenETC]

Haha he is gonna be fast and hitting things hard. I wish there was a way to emulate shadowblade or insightful strike without having to dip.
It is unfortunate, since you'd need 3 more feats to get it otherwise, which I wouldn't really consider worth it. Just grab Improved Initiative somewhere along the line and then use Nerveskitter and a Warning Spiked Gauntlet and go to town with your crazy speed and Initiative.

[tricktroller]

already have +6 from dex and going to get int to initiative so I will have a +13 or better all the time. no need for those two lol