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Lord Raziere

2013-10-02, 09:07 PM

Because really guys, do I have to start ALL the new threads around here? :smallsigh: :smalltongue:

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Art by Melissa Uran (http://meluran.deviantart.com/), colors by kirubanzai (http://kirubanzai.deviantart.com/).

First Welrub Excellency
Cost: 1m per die; Mins: Essence 1; Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Combo-OK
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None

The Giant of the Playground expresses whimsical humor in all he does. He wanders where he may, creating art as he goes and spreading good cheer. He is never malicious and always optimistic, but he loves argument and debates of all kinds, fostering them wherever he goes.

Characters may apply this Charm to any action that causes laughter or hope. Any action that would deliberately inflict harm, physical or otherwise, upon someone who has shown no hostility to the Infernal is forbidden. This Charm may also always be used to create art, for such are his greatest loves.

Popular Homebrew/Fixes

Kyeudo's warstrider fix. (http://www.mediafire.com/?misbm37gh71hr2e)
Extra Ox body techniques(or equivalent charm) equal to Stamina/Essence
Pete Schaefer on Lunar Character Generation (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Peter_Schaefer_on_Lunar_Character_ Generation)
Extra Excellencies. Generally, Solars/Abyssals get 5, Lunars get two, Sidereals 4, and Dragonblooded are 3, spread amoung caste and favored. Infernals get their caste Yozi's first Excellency free, including all future purchases of it.

List of Previous Threads:
General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172007)
General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183998)
General Exalted Discussion III: Weddings Are An Act of Villainy (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192237)
General Exalted Discussion IV: Roll Join Debate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196718)
General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199728)
General Exalted Discussion VI: Ascendancy Mantle of the Playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207218)
General Exalted Discussion VII: Playground Eternal Essence (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217776)
General Exalted Discussion VIII: Ten Thousand Playgrounders Post As One! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223918)
General Exalted Discussion Thread IX: Errata is Combo-Ok! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12700392#post12700392)
General Exalted Discussion Thread X: Playground Cosmic Principle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239521)
General Exalted Discussion Thread XI: Great Job, You Broke the Scale (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250101)
General Exalted Discussion Thread XII: One More and Get a Free Deathlord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259060)
General Exalted Discussion Thread XIII: Caul Me Maybe (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274919)
General Exalted Discussion Thread XIV: Immanent Solar Kickstarter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286904)

Useful Links:
The White Wolf Exalted Forum (http://forums.white-wolf.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=17)
Exalted Character Repository (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186758)
Scroll of Errata (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/84593/Scroll-of-Errata?filters=0_0_1820_0_0)

Reynard's Sheets:
Infernal, Solar, and Abyssal SheetName:
Exalt Type and Caste:
Anima:

Motivation:

Urge

Background:

Attributes
Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 8
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●
Abilities (Specializations +)
[Note: Place [C]aste and [F]avoured tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 28
(If using Dawn Solution rules, 4 free specialty dots, and Abilities can be raised to 5 without BP)

Archery
Martial Arts
Melee
Thrown
War

Integrity
Performance
Presence
Resistance
Survival

Craft
Investigate
Lore
Medicine
Occult

Athletics
Awareness
Dodge
Larceny
Stealth

Bureaucracy
Linguistics
Ride
Sail
Socialize
Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:Backgrounds:

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]
Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]
Resources: X
Reason for value
> [List of purchases, and sources]
Charms
Ability/Yozi
Excellencies
[Charms]
Combos:

Combat Stats:
Join Combat:

Attacks:Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3
Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw/Flawed Virtue:

Intimacies:

Languages:
??? (Native)

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) [(Permanent Essence x3)+Willpower]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(Permanent Essence x7)+Willpower)+Sum of Virtues]
Bonus Points and XP:
Bonus Points:

Total: 15/15 (18/18 If using Dawn Solution rules.) | Flaws:

Experience Points. Spent: X | Left: Y | Total: Z
Lunar SheetName:
Caste:
Spirit Animal:
Anima:
Tell:

Motivation:

Background:

Attributes
Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 8 [9 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6 [7 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4 [5 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
[Note: Place [C]aste and [F]avoured tags, for clarity. Casteless do not get Caste abilities, obviously]
(Specializations +)

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●
Abilities (Specializations +)
[Note: Place [F]avoured tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 25 [28 If using Peter Schaefer's rules]
(If using Dawn Solution rules, 4 free specialty dots)

Archery
Martial Arts
Melee
Thrown
War

Integrity
Performance
Presence
Resistance
[F]Survival

Craft
Investigate
Lore
Medicine
Occult

Athletics
Awareness
Dodge
Larceny
Stealth

Bureaucracy
Linguistics
Ride
Sail
Socialize
Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:Backgrounds:

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]
Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]
Resources: X
Reason for value
> [List of purchases, and sources]
Charms and Knacks
Attribute
Excellencies
[Charms]

Knacks:
Combos:

Combat Stats:
Join Combat:

Attacks:Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3
Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw/Flawed Virtue:

Intimacies:

Languages:
??? (Native)

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [Permanent Essence+(Willpower x2)]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(((Permanent Essence x4)+Willpower x2)+Highest Virtue x4]
Bonus Points and XP:
Bonus Points:

Total: 15/15 (18/18 If using Dawn Solution rules.) | Flaws:

Experience Points. Spent: X | Left: Y | Total: Z
Sidereal SheetName:
Exalt Type and Caste:
Anima:
Anima Power:

Motivation:

Faction:

Background:

Attributes
Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 8
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●
Abilities (Specializations +)
[Note: Place [A]uspicious and [F]avoured (You get four) tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 35, with at least 15 in Auspicious and Favoured.
(If using Dawn Solution rules, 4 free specialty dots)
Caste Requirements:
The character must have at least Awareness ••, Bureaucracy ••, Linguistics (Old Realm) •, Lore •••, Martial Arts ••, Occult ••, Socialize •, Stealth • and at least one dot in Archery, Melee or Thrown. There are additional restrictions based on caste:

Chosen of Journeys must have Athletics ••, Linguistics (Old Realm and an appropriate additional language) ••, Resistance ••, Survival •• and Ride or Sail •••.

Chosen of Serenity must have either Craft or Performance ••, Linguistics •• (focusing on eloquent speaking and writing rather than languages), Medicine ••, Presence •• and Socialize •••.

Chosen of Battles must have Archery or Melee •••, Athletics ••, Dodge ••, Presence •• and War ••.

Chosen of Secrets must have Awareness ••, Investigation •••, Larceny ••, Socialize •• and Stealth ••.

Chosen of Endings must have Awareness ••, Dodge ••, Integrity ••, Martial Arts ••• and Stealth ••.
Journeys
Resistance:
Ride:
Sail:
Survival:
Thrown:

Serenity
Craft:
Dodge:
Linguistics:
Performance:
Socialize:

Battles
Archery:
Athletics:
Melee:
Presence:
War:

Secrets
Investigation:
Larceny:
Lore:
Occult:
Stealth:

Endings
Awareness:
Bureaucracy:
Integrity:
Martial Arts:
Medicine:
Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:
Backgrounds:

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]
Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]

Resources: X
Reason for value
> [List of purchases, and sources]
Charms
Ability
Excellencies
[Charms]
Combos:

Combat Stats:
Join Combat: 9 +1 Sux

Attacks:Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3

Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Virtue Flaw/Flawed Virtue:

Intimacies:

Languages:
??? (Native)

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(Permanent Essence x2)+(Willpower)]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(((Permanent Essence x6)+Willpower 2)+Sum of all Virtues]
Bonus Points and XP:
Bonus Points:

Total: 15/15 (18/18 If using Dawn Solution rules.) | Flaws:

[B]Experience Points. Spent: X | Left: Y | Total: Z
Dynast Dragonblooded Sheet.Name:
Aspect:
Anima:

Motivation:

Background:

Attributes
Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 7
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●
Abilities (Specializations +)
[Note: Place [A]spect and [F]avoured tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 35
13 of these [I]MUST be placed into Aspect or Favoured. Also, I placed Dots where Dots must be. (Archery 1, Lore 2, Martial Arts 1, Melee 1, Performance 1, Presence 1, Ride 1, Socialize 2 and War 1.) You cannot remove these Dots, or Peleps Deled will come for you for a discussion on literature. These dots count towards the Total and the requirement.

Linguistics
Lore ●●
Occult
Stealth
Thrown

Awareness
Craft
Integrity
Resistance
War ●

Athletics
Dodge
Melee ●
Presence ●
Socialize ●●

Bureaucracy
Investigation
Larceny
Martial Arts ●
Sail

Archery ●
Medicine
Performance ●
Ride
Survival
Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:Backgrounds:
Dynasts start with 12 and may choose from Allies, Arsenal, Artifact, Backing, Breeding, Command, Connections, Familiar, Family, Henchmen, Manse, Reputation, Resources and Retainer. Also, note that Dynasts can go into the 4-5 range without using BP.

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source (Both it's Book and in-Game location]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]
Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]
Resources: X
Reason for value
> [List of purchases, and sources]
Charms7 Charms, at least four of which must be from Aspect or Favored Abilities; Immaculate martial artists get 5 Immaculate Martial Arts Charms instead, all of which must be from the same elemental tree.
Ability
Excellencies
[Charms]
Combos:

Combat Stats:
Join Combat:

Attacks:Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3
Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Crazy Aspect Mode: (Differs, see your aspect entry in the DB book)

Intimacies:
You're a Realm-based DB. There will be many. See with your ST if you can arrange 'lesser' intimacies to represent your dozens of distant cousins and other members of your family that your character isn't that close to. List them in their own subsection just under this one, if so, and just use this for the Intimacies that will actually matter.

Languages:
High Realm (Native), ???

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) [(Essence + Willpower) + any gained from
Breeding]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(Essence x 4) + Willpower + [the sum of the two highest Virtues] + any gained from Breeding]
Bonus Points and XP:
Bonus Points:

Total: 18/18 | Flaws:
Lookshy Dragonblooded Sheet.Name:
Aspect:
Anima:

Motivation:

Background:

Attributes
Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 7
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●
Abilities (Specializations +)
[Note: Place [A]spect and [F]avoured tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 35
13 of these MUST be placed into Aspect or Favoured. Also, I placed Dots where Dots must be. (Archery 2, Linguistics 3, Lore 2, Martial Arts 2, Melee 2, Performance 1, Presence 1, Ride 1, Stealth 1 and War 2.) You cannot remove these Dots.

Linguistics ●●●
Lore ●●
Occult
Stealth ●
Thrown

Awareness
Craft
Integrity
Resistance
War ●●

Athletics
Dodge
Melee ●●
Presence ●
Socialize ●●

Bureaucracy
Investigation
Larceny
Martial Arts ●●
Sail

Archery ●●
Medicine
Performance ●
Ride ●
Survival
Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:Backgrounds:
Lookshy Dragonblooded start with 13 points of Backgrounds and may choose from Allies, Arsenal, Artifact, Backing, Command, Connections, Familiar, Family, Manse, Mentor, Reputation, Resources and Retainer.

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source (Both it's Book and in-Game location]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]
Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]
Resources: X
Reason for value
> [List of purchases, and sources]
CharmsLookshy characters all start play with Wind-Carried Word Technique and Elemental Bolt Attack, to which they add 6 Dragon-Blooded Charms, 4 of which must come from Aspect or Favored Abilities; Lookshy DBs may not start play with Immaculate Martial Arts Charms.
Ability
Excellencies
[Charms]
Combos:

Combat Stats:
Join Combat:

Attacks:Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3
Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Crazy Aspect Mode: (Differs, see your aspect entry in the DB book)

Intimacies:

Languages:
???

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) [(Essence + Willpower) + any gained from
Breeding]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(Essence x 4) + Willpower + [the sum of the two highest Virtues] + any gained from Breeding]
Bonus Points and XP:
Bonus Points:

Total: 18/18 | Flaws:
Outcaste Dragonblooded Sheet. Poor buggers.Name:
Aspect:
Anima:

Motivation:

Background:

Attributes
Primary (Physical/Social/Mental): 7
Secondary (Physical/Social/Mental): 6
Tertiary (Physical/Social/Mental): 4

Physical:
Strength ●
Dexterity ●
Stamina ●

Social:
Charisma ●
Manipulation ●
Appearance ●

Mental
Perception ●
Intelligence ●
Wits ●
Abilities (Specializations +)
[Note: Place [A]spect and [F]avoured tags, for clarity.]
Total without BP/XP: 25
13 of these MUST be placed into Aspect or Favoured.

Linguistics
Lore
Occult
Stealth
Thrown

Awareness
Craft
Integrity
Resistance
War

Athletics
Dodge
Melee
Presence
Socialize

Bureaucracy
Investigation
Larceny
Martial Arts
Sail

Archery
Medicine
Performance
Ride
Survival
Backgrounds, Artifacts and Equipment:Backgrounds:
Outcastes get 7, and use the Backgrounds from the Core Exalted book; no Background may be higher than 3 without spending bonus points. Note that this means you don't get the awesome version of the Artifact background.

Also, you get Breeding.

Artifacts and Equipment:
Artifact: X [What it is], fluff name
Important features.
[Source (Both it's Book and in-Game location]

Manse: X
Stone: [Which Hearthstone] (Location, if socketed) [Source]
Creation Points: [(Value of Manse x2)+bonus from Manse Flaws]
> [List what the points are spent on]
Resources: X
Reason for value
> [List of purchases, and sources]
Charms Outcastes get 7 to choose from, 4 must be from Favoured or Aspect. Abilities; an outcaste with a Mentor 5 sifu who opts to learn Celestial martial arts [see sidebar on p. 95] get 5 Celestial Martial Arts Charms instead, all of which must be from the same elemental tree.
Ability
Excellencies
[Charms]
Combos:

Combat Stats:
Join Combat:

Attacks:Hands:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+1)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)+2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 3

Feet:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+3B] | Parry DV: [(((Dex+Ability)-2)= X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers] | Rate: 2

Clinch:
Acc: X [(((Dex+Martial Arts)+0)+Any other dice bonuses)] | Damage: [Str+0B] | Parry DV: - | Rate: 3
Dodge DV: X [((((Dex+Ability)+Essence)+Bonus Dice From Equipment) = X /2 round up) = Base + Modifiers]

Permanent Charms (Effects)

Soak:
Bashing: [((Stamina+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Lethal: [(((Stamina /2)+Armour)+Any other Modifiers)]
Aggravated: [Armour+Any other Modifiers)]

Hardness:
Bashing: [Highest value from any source]
Lethal: [Highest value from any source]
Aggravated: [Highest value from any source]

Health:
-0 [ ]
-1 [ ][ ]
-2 [ ][ ]
-4 [ ]
X [ ]

Mental Defenses:
Dodge MDV: [((((Willpower+Integrity)+Relevant Specialty)+Essence)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round down) + Any other bonuses.]
Charisma Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Charisma+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Charisma+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
Manipulation Parry MDV:
>Presence: [(((Manipulation+Presence)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]
>Performance: [(((Manipulation+Performance)+Relevant Specialty)+Any other dice modifiers) /2 round up) + Any other bonuses.]

Virtues:
Compassion ●
Conviction ●
Temperance ●
Valor ●

Crazy Aspect Mode: (Differs, see your aspect entry in the DB book)

Intimacies:

Languages:
???

Willpower: ●●●●●

Essence:
Permanent: ●●
Personal: Current (Max) [(Essence + Willpower) + any gained from
Breeding]
Peripheral: Current (Max) (Value Attuned) [(Essence x 4) + Willpower + [the sum of the two highest Virtues] + any gained from Breeding]
Bonus Points and XP:
Bonus Points:

Total: 18/18 | Flaws:

Guancyto

2013-10-02, 09:24 PM

Possibly because you keep taking it on yourself to ignore the consensus on thread titles.

It's not polite.

Also, because we hate you.

And you look adopted.

HalfTangible

2013-10-02, 09:29 PM

Why do we even vote if someone else is gonna pick the name?

Because really guys, do I have to start ALL the new threads around here? :smallsigh: :smalltongue:

You could've waited >.>

Lord Raziere

2013-10-02, 09:38 PM

and the consensus apparently could've potentially gone against board rules or something. might as well not risk it.

fine, I'll stop caring.

Turalisj

2013-10-02, 09:39 PM

I like the thread title.... but no one likes me anyway :smallfrown:

Guancyto

2013-10-02, 09:49 PM

and the consensus apparently could've potentially gone against board rules or something. might as well not risk it.

fine, I'll stop caring.

I'd love to know which of the board rules it might violate. Flaming?

It's not a bad thread title, I'm just irked because this isn't the first time you've done this.

Lord Raziere

2013-10-02, 09:55 PM

and I'm going to stop caring about the matter so that I don't do it again. geez. can we please not drag this out on thread? chastise me in PM's if you want, just keep this on topic please.

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-02, 11:14 PM

Much as I love to chastise Raziere, I've got an Exalted-related question:

Did we ever find out what all demons are gonna be in the core book?

Turalisj

2013-10-02, 11:44 PM

Neomah, obviously.

Weimann

2013-10-03, 02:26 AM

Probably blood apes. I don't think we got to know what the Kickstarter people picked for their recurring demons, though. Will be a surprise.

Rockphed

2013-10-03, 08:42 AM

Probably blood apes. I don't think we got to know what the Kickstarter people picked for their recurring demons, though. Will be a surprise.

I could have sworn that both wanted to pick the same demon, so they ended up actually posting a discussion of it somewhere.

Mewtarthio

2013-10-03, 11:47 AM

I could've sworn I heard that Aleuvia was in, but I can't find where I saw that.

Weimann

2013-10-03, 03:33 PM

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-03, 04:54 PM

Just something I noticed right now; if were going with that title, couldn't it at least have been cited correctly? The proper quote is "I hate you and you look adopted." If we wanted to use "we" and "it" instead, we shouldn't have used citation marks, because it's not a citation. :smallmad:

Right, carry on. :smalltongue:

Well now you made me look up quotation marks on Wikipedia, where I learned that some languages call them something that can translate as citation marks, even if English doesn't. And now I'm reading about proper quote formatting, and will soon move to Estonian folk music. I hope you are happy with yourself.

Elloge would be proud of you, at least.

golentan

2013-10-03, 07:01 PM

Okay, so for my next session I'm planning on running a "rescue mission" for my players, and I want to see what people think of the scenario I've come up with.

A Fiend, favoring Hegra as written by the Demented One and heavily invested in kimbery charms, should it matter, has found themselves in a bad situation. They made a deal, sanctified by oath, with a guild factor but failed to set up the terms favorably (due mostly to being extremely high at the time of negotiation). He's now basically been enslaved to the Guild Factor's drug-and-money making scheme.

Naturally, normally he would say "Screw this, I'm out," cancel the contract like any good fiend, and head on his merry way after doing something suitably nasty to the factor, but there are a couple things stopping him. He is extremely non-combat focused, and the factor is wealthy enough to have hired a team of outcaste terrestrials as bodyguards. He's quite certain from several "corrective sessions" he's received that if he tried to escape or harm the factor at the moment he would wind up dead. The factor is as yet unaware he can cancel the contract, so rather than tip his hand and risk death, he's sent out a call to former "coworkers" within the reclamation asking for help to arrange for him to have a shot at freedom.

The reclamation has already fallen apart, due basically to the PCs turning "state's evidence" for yu-shan and a subsequent invocation by the Incarnae of the yozi's surrender oaths to give up the reins of power on the Infernals. The fiend in question can offer all sorts of incentives to the PCs to help (including artifacts, drugs, wealth, minions, and others), but has no authority or leverage to demand assistance as a result, so I'm trying to think of good reasons for the PCs to want to get involved. They're not the sort to do things out of the goodness of their heart, but neither are they cackling villains. They're looking for wealth, adventure, revenge on past wrongdoers, and enough fame to enjoy it but not enough to bring down the full fury of the wyld hunt (though they're quickly reaching the point where that is no longer as great a concern). Any suggestions on levers that the Fiend could have access to that might appeal to a typical party would be appreciated.

Amechra

2013-10-03, 07:15 PM

Do they know the guy in any way?

If not, he sounds like a pretty decent ally to have on the backup; TDO's Hegra charms are nasty if you pick the right emotions.

Lix Lorn

2013-10-03, 08:53 PM

golentan

2013-10-03, 09:05 PM

Well, if you expect them to stabby the guild factor, presumably there's the good old 'fabulous wealth' incentive.
If not, then perhaps he knows of some mcguffin? It could just be a shiny artifact, or could tie into another plot. He could be an old friend, or an exalted family member - but that's kinda hamfisted.

Now, you could go the other way. Rather than 'help me, I'll give you X', he could say 'Help me, or I'll tell Yu-Shan that /really/ nasty thing you did while you were loyal.'
This, of course, assumes they have unspecified parts of backstory where they were loyal. And, depending on how desperate yu-shan is to hold onto them, may have to be a nasty enough thing that it wouldn't be okay to say 'btw you did this while you were loyal.'

Actually, if it comes to threats, the Yozis don't know yet who kiboshed them on the reclamation, and part of my plan for this guy was that he would have been a spy in the immaculate order (and therefore potentially keeping tabs on Chejop Kejak) before the collapse of "The Plan." I'm thinking the pitch starts out nice, but if they turn him down he moves on to blackmail. And since he can and has made numerous magically loyal minions who can carry on the message even if they kill him, he can threaten to touch them from beyond the grave if they seek to cut out the snitch directly. Thanks, that helps a lot.

DukeGod

2013-10-03, 09:21 PM

Soo, um Reynard's sheet for the Dynast Dragon-Blooded he states that they can go into the 4-5 range without spending BP

Can anyone tell me where is that rule? I can't find it in the Dragon-Blooded book

Kyeudo

2013-10-03, 09:27 PM

Can anyone tell me where is that rule? I can't find it in the Dragon-Blooded book

It's in the Errata for Solar character generation if it's anywhere.

golentan

2013-10-03, 09:56 PM

It's in the Errata for Solar character generation if it's anywhere.

It's not. That rule only applies to solar tier characters. Sadly or not, depending on your point of view.

Kyeudo

2013-10-03, 09:59 PM

It's not. That rule only applies to solar tier characters. Sadly or not, depending on your point of view.

I thought so, but I wasn't sure if I was remembering it correctly. I've never played any games using the errata beyond character creation.

DukeGod

2013-10-03, 10:23 PM

It's in the Errata for Solar character generation if it's anywhere.

I'm actually talking about the one for Backgrounds

The_Snark

2013-10-03, 10:29 PM

I'm actually talking about the one for Backgrounds

As far as I know, there is no such rule; not in the Dragon-Blooded book, not in the errata. I'm not sure where that bit is supposed to come from. Alchemicals can buy Artifact up to 5 without using bonus points, but that's the only instance of that that I know of.

golentan

2013-10-04, 02:14 AM

I'm actually talking about the one for Backgrounds

I've seen a custom rule that House V'neef can buy the breeding background cheaper, but I'm pretty sure that was a houserule.

Inspector Valin

2013-10-04, 03:50 AM

As far as I know, there is no such rule; not in the Dragon-Blooded book, not in the errata. I'm not sure where that bit is supposed to come from. Alchemicals can buy Artifact up to 5 without using bonus points, but that's the only instance of that that I know of.

IIRC, Jadeborn are in a similar boat, but that's the only two instances I know of. In their case, it's simply a points break rather than permission to use regular background points for that. IIRC, Outcaste Dragon Blood actually took penalties on buying up certian backgrounds....

golentan

2013-10-04, 08:26 PM

IIRC, Jadeborn are in a similar boat, but that's the only two instances I know of. In their case, it's simply a points break rather than permission to use regular background points for that. IIRC, Outcaste Dragon Blood actually took penalties on buying up certian backgrounds....

Yeah, Terrestrials have problems with Cult and (if they're outcaste) breeding.

Out of curiosity, what would people think a world where everyone was exalted would be like? I.E. when people go through puberty, if they don't do something to earn a celestial exaltation they become dragonblooded. I'm considering writing up a homebrew shard based on the premise.

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-05, 02:24 AM

golentan

2013-10-05, 02:37 AM

Even assuming Dragon-blooded are not prevented from earning Celestial Exaltation from birth like they normally are, the fact that an overwhelming majority of the Celestial Exalted draw the Second Breath after puberty would mean there might be no more than a dozen Solars and Lunars at any given time.

Sidereals, also being marked for Exaltation from birth, are a special case, and might exist in their full numbers. As a result, the Wyld Hunt would have a serious edge, and Solars might indeed never have gotten a chance to rule the world, which would would never reach high levels of pervasive magical technology (not necessarily magitek, even high-dot or special artifacts would be very limited). Essentially, the world would be very boring.

Wait, what? Elder dragonblooded can make 5 dot artifacts just fine, and with millions of them running around building infrastructure at an exalted level I doubt that pervasive magical technology would be that much of an issue (the shogunate maintained a fairly high standard, after all, and the first age was largely dependent on the terrestrials putting in most of the "boring" work on building and maintaining all that magical infrastructure which still involved quests for exotic components and exciting opportunities for non worldshaking adventure). Obviously in such a world, the assumptions of the Wyld Hunt would have to be reexamined. And I didn't say anything about fewer celestials, I'm not sure where you yanked that assumption from. And I think a world packed with exalted capable of streamlining the mundane needs of their lives with charms in order to free up time for the epic sagas that the exalted are prone to would be anything but boring.

Guancyto

2013-10-05, 02:49 AM

Essentially, the world would be very boring.

Wait, are we talking about...

what would people think a world where everyone was exalted

:smalleek:

I think such a world would explode under the pressure of lack of boring. Remember, even the Dragon-Blooded are epic passionate crazy demigods. They're just more low-key about it than Solars (but Solars are the guys who were so epic crazy demigods that there was a distinct danger of breaking reality under the force of their epic crazy demigodhood).

It would be a World of Ham (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldOfHam).

In a world with only Exalted, someone still needs to clean up the crap. But it's a world where busting open the dam to flood the stables to wash it all away is a common occurrence.

Someone still needs to make breakfast but it will be THE MOST EPIC BREAKFAST EVER!

High schools would be constructed sturdier than military fortifications because otherwise they'd be leveled from the inside out.

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-05, 03:15 AM

Wait, what? Elder dragonblooded can make 5 dot artifacts just fine

They can meet the Ability requirements for building them. They can't necessarily build the kind of infrastructure or gather the kind of materials that were so dependent on Solar Charms in the First Age (largely Wyld-Shaping Technique, but there were probably others that explain why even the most puissant of Exalted and Mountain Folk cannot recreate factory-cathedrals without Solar intervention).

(the shogunate maintained a fairly high standard, after all, and the first age was largely dependent on the terrestrials putting in most of the "boring" work on building and maintaining all that magical infrastructure which still involved quests for exotic components and exciting opportunities for non worldshaking adventure).

Maintained, yes. They could not improve upon it, or they could not replace any of it that they lost. Without Solars, every mistake made during maintenance was one that could cost irreplaceable equipment.

And I didn't say anything about fewer celestials, I'm not sure where you yanked that assumption from.

1) Dragon-blooded cannot Exalt as Celestials.
2) Becoming a Dragon-blooded is something that only happens before the age of 20.
3) The majority of Celestials draw the Second Breath after the age of 20 (exceptions exist, hence the few dozen Solars and Lunars running around).

Basically, you are either a Celestial Exalt at an age where Exaltation is really unlikely (remember, Raksi Exalted at the age of 16 and was considered unusually young), or you are stuck as a Dragon-blooded your whole life. An Exaltation would spend most of its time waiting for someone to do something heroic enough for its standards who isn't already Exalted.

Strangely though, a second thought reveals that Abyssals and Green Sun Princes can fill their quota fairly quickly, considering they don't need any deeds, only potential for heroism. It is also possible that, without the Solars rising to leadership of the First Age, Autochthon might never leave Creation, and thus let Creation share the secrets of Alchemical Exaltation, who might make up for the absence of Solars when it comes to magical infrastructure.

Vknight

2013-10-05, 07:10 AM

Two Questions
Second Edition Exalted do I apply DV as a static subtraction or a rolled stat?
Perfect Defense? What page?

Thankyou

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-05, 07:26 AM

Per the rules for making attacks, DV is a static value that gets subtracted from the attack successes like an external penalty (but is not an external penalty for the effects of Charms like Salty Dog Method); after an attack is made, if one or more successes (barring the application of certain Charms) remains after DV is subtracted, the attack hits.

The rules for Unstoppable Force, Immovable Object are, IIRC, on pg. 179, but I do not have a book at present. If you're looking for Charms that provide a physical perfect defense in the Exalted Core, you'll want Seven Shadow Evasion (in the Dodge tree) and/or Heavenly Guardian Defense (in the Melee tree) and/or Adamant Skin Technique (in the Resistance tree). Mental/Social perfect defenses exist as well in Linguistics (Sagacious Reading of Intent) and Integrity (Elusive Dream Defense). Other, more situational perfect defenses exist, generally protecting against specific avenues of attack (unexpected attacks) or strange keywords (Poison, Crippling, Shaping, et cetera; all of these generally fall under the umbrella of "Bad Touch").

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-05, 07:30 AM

Two Questions
Second Edition Exalted do I apply DV as a static subtraction or a rolled stat?
Perfect Defense? What page?

Thankyou

DV is not rolled. It is specifically what you would roll on average with the stats that add to defense to make combat faster. It is not subtracted, exactly: rather, it is the number of successes one needs to get on an attack roll to hit the target. There isn't much of a difference in theory, but subtracting it from successes turns it into an external penalty, which can be mitigated through means not meant to apply to DVs.

Perfect defenses are just that: perfect. If they apply to the type of attack (soak only reduces damage, while parry and dodge apply to all kinds of physical attacks), they prevent the attack from being successful, no matter the attack.

Lochar

2013-10-05, 02:15 PM

It would be a World of Ham (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldOfHam).

In a world with only Exalted, someone still needs to clean up the crap. But it's a world where busting open the dam to flood the stables to wash it all away is a common occurrence.

Someone still needs to make breakfast but it will be THE MOST EPIC BREAKFAST EVER!

High schools would be constructed sturdier than military fortifications because otherwise they'd be leveled from the inside out.

So, basically, it's Girl Genius with a bit extra?

Guancyto

2013-10-05, 02:17 PM

Girl Genius with everyone as a Spark or Spark-assistant (who will one day become a Spark themselves)

...

So basically Girl Genius, yeah.

Turalisj

2013-10-05, 03:48 PM

Girl Genius with everyone as a Spark or Spark-assistant (who will one day become a Spark themselves)

...

So basically Girl Genius, yeah.

Remind me. Why is this bad?

Vknight

2013-10-05, 05:23 PM

DV is not rolled. It is specifically what you would roll on average with the stats that add to defense to make combat faster. It is not subtracted, exactly: rather, it is the number of successes one needs to get on an attack roll to hit the target. There isn't much of a difference in theory, but subtracting it from successes turns it into an external penalty, which can be mitigated through means not meant to apply to DVs.

Perfect defenses are just that: perfect. If they apply to the type of attack (soak only reduces damage, while parry and dodge apply to all kinds of physical attacks), they prevent the attack from being successful, no matter the attack.

Cool and soak is rolled if I remember my Old World/Exalted correctly
Having a terrible time finding it. Or the example combat with the Solar facing off against some normal thugs then a Dragon-Blooded gets involved

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-05, 05:29 PM

Soak is not rolled in Exalted 2/2.5e, or in nWoD. Can't say much about oWoD, though.

Drascin

2013-10-05, 06:28 PM

Remind me. Why is this bad?

Because in such circumstances I give the world about fifty years lifespan before all life on it is extinguished.

The_Snark

2013-10-05, 07:29 PM

Cool and soak is rolled if I remember my Old World/Exalted correctly
Having a terrible time finding it. Or the example combat with the Solar facing off against some normal thugs then a Dragon-Blooded gets involved

Soak is not rolled in Exalted 2/2.5e, or in nWoD. Can't say much about oWoD, though.

Soak was rolled in oWoD, and possibly in Exalted 1e. It is not rolled in Exalted 2e. You can find details on DV and soak on pages 145-150 of the core book - I don't recall the example combat you're discussing.

Vknight

2013-10-05, 08:39 PM

I remember something like it.

Reaction Success's Highest Individual - Your Success's start of combat
+Speed for when you act next

Rate determines maximum number of attacks in a flurry, and you then apply in the multiple action penalties. So double Katar stab is -1 & -2

This help is greatly appreciated.
Setting up Exalted(or Shadowrun) for what the group will be doing when we are not all here/busy on session days. So I'm relearning/going through each system to make sure I have it, especially Exalted because BFS.

Edit/Note;

You can buy different Manse's as their own Backgrounds.
Does that work for Artifacts as well?

Lix Lorn

2013-10-05, 10:38 PM

In every game I've ever played, yes, but RAW possibly not. xD

Vknight

2013-10-05, 10:45 PM

In every game I've ever played, yes, but RAW possibly not. xD

Then I'll play with it.
I'm using the extra Ox Body house-rule(1 Ox Body or its equivalent for every 2 Stamina)

Tavar

2013-10-06, 12:16 AM

Almost certain it's raw that each Artifact background is it's own thing. In fact, that's the only way that stuff like, say, the DB or Alchemical background make any sense.

Vknight

2013-10-06, 06:59 AM

Almost certain it's raw that each Artifact background is it's own thing. In fact, that's the only way that stuff like, say, the DB or Alchemical background make any sense.

I checked your right Tavar thanks!

And anyone know some good podcasts were they have played a one-shot or session or Exalted.

The Group has a interesting mix.
I'll post up what I've been given(seems Exalted is going to win out over Shadowrun)

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-06, 09:18 AM

Why not mixing it up, Vknight ? Give them Exalted Modern in Shadowrun-verse.

Recaiden

2013-10-06, 04:43 PM

Sidereals, also being marked for Exaltation from birth, are a special case, and might exist in their full numbers. As a result, the Wyld Hunt would have a serious edge, and Solars might indeed never have gotten a chance to rule the world, which would would never reach high levels of pervasive magical technology (not necessarily magitek, even high-dot or special artifacts would be very limited). Essentially, the world would be very boring.

When Every Single Person has the potential to make 5-dot artifacts, you tell me they will be uncommon? :smallconfused:

Vknight

2013-10-06, 05:09 PM

Why not mixing it up, Vknight ? Give them Exalted Modern in Shadowrun-verse.

...No
I need to be sane well doing this and also can't have a group of Solars that are cybered up, or Essence lose with Essence lose or alh;bgjbka..... I'm fine just the mixing lead to some temporary insanity.

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-06, 05:31 PM

When Every Single Person has the potential to make 5-dot artifacts, you tell me they will be uncommon? :smallconfused:Except for, as has been stated, the handful of Solars, they need a serious handful of Abilities rated at 7, which means Essence 7. Even Solars are gonna need Charms and insane amounts of XP to do that.

Since most DBs never bother raising their Essence past 3 (and it's even implied that it's really friggin' difficult to do so), and even the ones that do rarely live long enough to reach Essence 7 (and even they aren't guaranteed to be craft-focused), saying "Every Single Person" is rather misleading, akin to saying, "Every Single Person has the potential to be President of the United States."

It's sort of true, but factors are going to come in that very quickly disqualify you. Like not being born in the United States. Or not living to 45.

Vknight

2013-10-06, 05:47 PM

Except for, as has been stated, the handful of Solars, they need a serious handful of Abilities rated at 7, which means Essence 7. Even Solars are gonna need Charms and insane amounts of XP to do that.

Since most DBs never bother raising their Essence past 3 (and it's even implied that it's really friggin' difficult to do so), and even the ones that do rarely live long enough to reach Essence 7 (and even they aren't guaranteed to be craft-focused), saying "Every Single Person" is rather misleading, akin to saying, "Every Single Person has the potential to be President of the United States."

It's sort of true, but factors are going to come in that very quickly disqualify you. Like not being born in the United States. Or not living to 45.

That makes sense. Especially when you look at the XP costs and what is needed to get Essence to 3 or 4 at character creation say goodbye bonus points.

Essence Cannon? Attack Roll or does it just fire and you spend the essence to shoot.

Also looking for charms to store things in Elsewhere that don't need another charm as a prerequisite

golentan

2013-10-06, 06:00 PM

Except for, as has been stated, the handful of Solars, they need a serious handful of Abilities rated at 7, which means Essence 7. Even Solars are gonna need Charms and insane amounts of XP to do that.

Since most DBs never bother raising their Essence past 3 (and it's even implied that it's really friggin' difficult to do so), and even the ones that do rarely live long enough to reach Essence 7 (and even they aren't guaranteed to be craft-focused), saying "Every Single Person" is rather misleading, akin to saying, "Every Single Person has the potential to be President of the United States."

More like "Every person has the potential to become a Ph.D."

Which is true. It would require vastly more effort for those not gifted with natural talent in their field. But with time, it's doable.

Sith_Happens

2013-10-06, 09:45 PM

Well. This is an idea I just had:

http://unmovinggreatlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kyubey.jpg

"Hello, my name is Kyubey, and I want you to make a contract with me to become an Exigent."

Exthalion

2013-10-06, 09:54 PM

This wouldn't happen to be prompted by SciFi Debris would it?

Sith_Happens

2013-10-06, 10:37 PM

This wouldn't happen to be prompted by SciFi Debris would it?

Never heard of it. If anything, the initial seed for the idea probably came from the last image in this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16158846&postcount=874) post.

golentan

2013-10-06, 11:02 PM

Never heard of it. If anything, the initial seed for the idea probably came from the last image in this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16158846&postcount=874) post.

Yay, I'm helping!

Sith_Happens

2013-10-06, 11:36 PM

Yay, I'm helping!

Helping to make some portion of Creation's teenage girl population have a very bad day, but yes.:smalltongue:

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-07, 12:59 AM

The high tier Artifact would be more common in "Everyone are Exalted, dangit!" Shard, truthfully. But take note that even in Canon Solar Age they weren't all that common. It required heavy investment in Charms and Essence, just like precedessors had said.

I imagine that kids would be extempt from "Everyone Exalted, because!" rule in said Shard. Otherwise our five years old Solar would blow up Creation because he didn't got his favorite dish.

With that, the Wyld Hunt would contain people working to do the so-called Damage Control on all these crazy Exalts running amuck in the neighbournhood. I disagree with The Rose Dragon about world being boring there. World would be constantly "interesting" if anything.

But on the other side that would change many things in the setting:
Yozis would be self-imprisoned after several murders resulting in Neverborn and the proven inability to keep Exalted in check. Whole Malfeas would be modified every hour to be extra bad to Exalts. Wyld Hunt would be frustrated with stupid Exalts ignoring these forbiddances and plunging there, with all the paperwork caused by it. And the amounts of bureaucratic complaints She Who Lives In Her Name can produce on moment's notice.

Yu-Shan would be CLOSED from visitation after last visit broke Jade Pleasure Dome and evaporated surrounding district. There is big "Don't Touch, Dangit !" sign put on Games and UCS guards it constantly from curious Exalts wishing to experiment. Sidereal Branch of Wyld-Hunt is still buried under written complaints from all the gods demanding reparations for the emotional trauma. Luna is chuckling sometimes, though, without any apparent reason.
Plus Burau of Immigration is constantly filled to the brim with requests from Elementals and Terrestial gods. They want be away from Exalted Humanity, damn the Creation !

Nobody heard about Fair Folk at all for the last six millenia. Except rumors about "imaginary friends" some kids have from time to time before puberty hits, indicating that "maturing" as Exalted Human is around the corner. Although there are rare reports in Wyld Hunt's investigator squads encountering Basics with unusual charms, probably developed indyvidually. But the powers they displayed were harmful ... so had to be dealt with.

...No
I need to be sane well doing this and also can't have a group of Solars that are cybered up, or Essence lose with Essence lose or alh;bgjbka..... I'm fine just the mixing lead to some temporary insanity.

Cybering up is covered by Magitech, isn't it ? I weren't talking about using Shadowrun mechanics (representing typical Exalt there would be pain as nobody have ENOUGH Essence there to be that cybered/magicked up. And dragons don't need Exaltations to be honest). Only about using Shadowrun fluff and doing Exalted there.

Despite appearances my madness is held in check, somewhat. :smallwink:

Vknight

2013-10-07, 07:22 AM

Still no. For lots of reasons being I like the cybernetics eat soul in Shadowrun, especially for how that setting works I don't want to mix the two.

So good news.
Everyone wanted to make a Solar.
Everyone made a Solar.
They are all from different Castes... I don't know how but yeah.
The 5 man band will be posted up a bit later.

And no one got back to me on the whole Essence Cannon thing

Also opinions for a good Abyssal dou, to tangle with

Lochar

2013-10-07, 07:34 AM

Guancyto

2013-10-07, 01:16 PM

This sounds... strongly like a Sidereal plan, and also a PC plan.

Obviously someone's Bronze Faction party had a brilliant idea to keep the Solars/Lunars from reincarnating and still keep the world defended from outside threats!

There are a few minor downsides but really any Ishvara or rogue Primordial is going to look at the place and run away screaming, so mission accomplished!

Turalisj

2013-10-07, 01:33 PM

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-07, 02:08 PM

Much, much more common. At best at any one time, there is 750 Exalts that commonly have the ability to create high level artifacts. (All non DBs).

In this new world, you can include a small number of the entire population being both old enough and wanting to create high level artifacts.

Even if it's only a tenth of a percent and Creation's population is a low, low, 1 billion, that's still a million people.

I imagine it to be no more than 100 mil DBs over all Creation. Living in close-knit clans controlled by Progenitors (imagine Her Redness having clones all over place) and all of this in FORCED peace with all DB clans and Celestials jockeying for more powah behind the scenes.

And no more than 1% of the Elder DB's doing the Artifact thingy. That make million crafters all over Creation. Capable of doing the 3 dot artifacts off the bat. (Essence 5 and needed stuff maxed) Matriarchs and Patriarchs (Essence 6 Dragon Bloods) would be one thousandth of all these numbers. So hundred thousand potential artifact 4-dot crafters. And with Living Ancestors (7+ Essence DB's) it gives no more than a thousand potential 5 dot artifact crafters.

Without major change in culture of DB's though (from Arrgh I kill ya for Honor!), there would be no more than 1% of those capable crafting anything though.

Honestly, the real question is when did everyone start Exalting? Because if it was before the Balorian Crusade they should have ROFLstomped it.

In my imagination right from the beggining, Lochar. Humans were made that way when Incarnae and Sol wanted to help improve newest Primordial toys. Non-Exalting humans died leaving the fun ones on. But then accidends happened and HORRIBLY SCARED, now Yozis surrendered to Exalted Humanity ... gods used it to elevate themselves to the top of totem pole as "in betweeners" between them and Yozis ... and Yozis fled into what is Malfeas today to avoid Exalted Humanity's "help" in overcoming their phobias. Paranoia and "surrounded bastion" mentality twisted them into monsters of today. With help from Exalted Humanity abusing their gifts as I implied earlier.

Fair Folk ... are hidden. There were some great wars in the past. But like you mentioned, all was CURBSTOMPED. Fair Folk can be beaten by peasant Extra with Iron horseshoe. Iron armed Exalted Army ... genocide. Survivors hide among the un-Exalted children's dreams and are careful to not reveal their existence to anyone except most trusted few.

Celestials, like Siddies, are pre-ordained from birth. They tend to dominate their parent clans, though. Wich might or might not sit well with the Clan Leadership.

Wyld-Hunt is a joint organization cooperating with Bureau of Destiny. They exist to ensure some "brightest" Exalt won't blow up Creation. Just because he or she can. It's a job hundred times more thankless than what Siddies got in Canon Exalted, though.

Sol started to show that he have drinking problems. Autochton FLED into the Wyld and is populated by Alchies. Only by Alchies who destroy any Celestial that pays a visit and wipe all memories clean from the Shard before sending it on it's way. And claiming heroic soul for one more Alchie. :smallbiggrin:
Everyone in Autochtonia is very concerned with why Autochton is frequently crying and having nightmares (wich cause Void problems).

On a side note, Ebon Dragon shut himself on Quaf's monastery and seem to be constantly muttering sutras. Some enlightened sages claim it's "I'm sorry."

Hiro Protagonest

2013-10-07, 03:39 PM

Sounds like a game hook for 3e.

"We thought the Exalted had largely left the world. We thought they were banished, gone, to never return. All that changed when the Fair Folk attacked."

Cue a world populated by Exigent Exalted.

I don't care if your avatar is Iroh, that was cringe-worthy.

Also, that reminds me. Did anyone else read Burn Legend's description of the DB castes in Iroh's voice?

Lix Lorn

2013-10-07, 03:46 PM

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-07, 04:26 PM

Amped up to 11, Lixie. :smallwink:
Plus it's all magical girls !

Vknight

2013-10-07, 08:00 PM

Question were is the Autoklave?
Can't find it, the Dawn Caste guy is interested in chainsaw

Hiro Protagonest

2013-10-07, 08:05 PM

...Where every other piece of high-tech equipment that isn't First Age and not in the Alchemical book is.

Shards.

Vknight

2013-10-08, 01:35 AM

Shards thank-you.
Also I remember reading their was a martial art for flametounge repeaters, is this true and if so what book?

And now the group. They are working on names at the Moment
Anything I should note about them? And/Or things they can do I should be worried/concerned about?

Dawn Caste
Concept; Honor Bound Warrior
Backstory: A warrior of fortune in the south who got involved in some things and saved a young Terrestrial's Life got taken back to be her special friend before Exalting to save her from some other Dragon-Blooded.

So the basic gladiator
Got picked up and gained knowledge fell in-love with the girl and Exalted to save her, and then ran away

Stat Wise

Attributes
Strength(5), Dexterity(3), Stamina(4)
Charisma(3), Manipulation(1), Appearance(3)
Perception(3), Intelligence(2), Wits(4)

Abilities
Archery(2), Martial Arts(2); Fighting Unarmed[+1], Melee(5); Daiklaves[+1], War(2)
Presence(2) Intimidation[+1], Resistance(2)
Athletics(4) Leaping[+1], Awareness(2), Dodge(4)
Ride(2), Socialize(2)

Backgrounds
Artifacts(Grand Daiklave)
Artifacts(Reinforced Buff Jacket)
Artifacts(Solar Seal)
Hearthstones(Stone of the Earthweb)

Virtues
Valor > Conviction = Compassion = Temperance

Charms
First Melee Excellency
One Weapon Two Blows
Call the Blade
Summonging the Loyal Steel
Iron Raptor Technique
Blazing Solar Bolt
Dipping Swallow Defense
Bulwark Stance
Heavenly Guardian Defense
Ox Body Technique (x2)

Zenith Caste
Look at the sample Zenith... done
Twilight Caste

Backstory: Traveling dancer who ran away and joined up with a circus. Also only person with 2 Essence instead of 3

Stats

Attributes
Strength(2), Dexterity(4), Stamina(2)
Charisma(2), Manipulation(3), Appearance(4)
Perception(3), Intelligence(5), Wits(4)

Abilities
Martial Arts(3) War Fans[+1]
Integrity(1), Performance(3) Dance[+1], Presence(2), Resistance(1)
Craft(3) Poison Making[+1], Investigation(3), Lore(2), Medicine(4), Occult(4) Ghosts[+1]
Awareness(3), Dodge(1)
Bureaucracy(3) Bending Rules[+1], Socialize(3) Interacting With Upper-class[+1]

Backgrounds
Allies(The Circus)
Contacts(People from all over including other style practitioners)
Mentor(2)
Artifact(Seven-Jeweled Peacock Fan)

Virtues
Temperance = Compassion > Conviction > Valor

Charms
Spirit Detecting Glance
Spirit Cutting Attack

Fists of Iron
Wall Climbing Technique
Lethal Paper Fan Attack
Pearlescent Filigree Defense
Demure Carp Feint
Second Investigation Excellency
Judges Ear
Frugal Merchant Method
Night Caste

Backstory: A hunter and servant too a Lord(Not Dragon-Blooded!), he was the guy who would help his lord hunt whatever game caught his eye that day. Whelp when his Lord Decide to use a Power Bow and only annoyed a Tyrant Lizard after throwing the bow at it in frustration he killed the beast. Had one dead boss and a lot of loot so he ran because he could not explain the situation

Stats

Attributes
Strength(2), Dexterity(5), Stamina(4)
Charisma(2), Manipulation(3), Appearance(4)
Perception(3), Intelligence(2), Wits(2)

Abilities
Archery(4) Powerbow[+1]
Resistance(1), Survival(3)
Investigation(4)
Athletics(2), Awareness(5), Dodge(4) Multiple Opponents[+1], Larceny(4), Stealth(4) Hiding From Pursuers[+1]
Socialize(1) Seduction[+1]

Backgrounds
Artifacts(Longbow Powerbow)
Manse(Gem of Seduction)
Resources(2)

Virtues
Conviction = Valor > Compassion > Temperance

Charms
Graceful Crane Stance
Monkey Leap Technique
Shadow Over Water
Seven Shadow Evasion
Reflex Sidestep Technique
First Excellency Archery
Phantom Arrow Technique
Summoning The Loyal Bow
Essence Arrow Attack

Eclipse Caste

Backstory: A daughter who the family whose family was expecting her to Exalt to continue the Dragon-Blood line. She was trained from day one, she never did exalt to be a Dragon but instead into a Solar her mentor saying he was taking her for the final parts of her training

Stats

Attributes
Strength(2), Dexterity(5), Stamina(4)
Charisma(2), Manipulation(3), Appearance(2)
Perception(4), Intelligence(2), Wits(5)

Abilities
Martial Arts(4); Dire Chain[+1]
Integrity(2), Resistance(2)
Investigation(2) Finding Concealed Objects[+1]
Awareness(3) Sensing Ambushes[+1], Dodge(4), Stealth(3)
Linguistics(1), Ride(5), Socialize(3), Discern Motivation[+1]

Backgrounds
Mentor(3)
Artifact(Dire Chain)
Resources(2)
Influence(2)

Virtues
Temperance = Conviction > Valor > Compassion

Charms
Mastery of Small Arms
Flashing Thunderbolt Steed
Shadow Over Water
Seven Shadow Evasion
Image of Death Technique
Wall Climbing Technique
Distracting Finger-Gesture Attack
Ebon Shadow Form
Seven Points of Weakness Strike
Ox Body Technique(1)

HerrTenko

2013-10-08, 03:52 AM

Sounds like a game hook for 3e.

"We thought the Exalted had largely left the world. We thought they were banished, gone, to never return. All that changed when the Fair Folk attacked."

Cue a world populated by Exigent Exalted.

By the way, are you guys planning on building any particular Exigent once their book hits us? I had this idea that I thought was totally original about making an Exigent of Plentimon of the Dice (until I found out it wasn't original at all). Also, Sikunare. Because a Storm Exalted would be the coolest thing.

Lord Raziere

2013-10-08, 04:10 AM

I am planning on building a Storm Exalted/Exigent. mostly because I found Air Aspects too knowledge-y, dragon-blooded-y and too much peaceful-windy for my purposes.

Recaiden

2013-10-08, 08:17 AM

Turalisj

2013-10-08, 09:20 AM

Hiro Protagonest

2013-10-08, 10:49 AM

The Shogun of Artificial Flight. Whatsisname.

Sith_Happens

2013-10-08, 12:08 PM

By the way, are you guys planning on building any particular Exigent once their book hits us? I had this idea that I thought was totally original about making an Exigent of Plentimon of the Dice (until I found out it wasn't original at all). Also, Sikunare. Because a Storm Exalted would be the coolest thing.

*cough*

Well. This is an idea I just had:

http://unmovinggreatlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kyubey.jpg

"Hello, my name is Kyubey, and I want you to make a contract with me to become an Exigent."

What, you thought I was joking? As a matter of fact, when Exigents comes out some of my friends might just get word that I want to try my hand at GMing Exalted.:belkar:

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-08, 12:24 PM

Shouldn't it be "Hello, my name is Ebon DragonKyubei. Will you be my friend ?"

Gareth3

2013-10-08, 02:46 PM

Rockphed

2013-10-08, 05:05 PM

I'm planning on building the Rightful King, Exigent of Parad, God of Inherited Might. His kingdom is one of the few places in Creation with a stable monarchy based on primogeniture. That's because of the Rightful King's Exigent powers, which make him extremely difficult to kill unless he has a heir capable of taking power. Even just deposing him and claiming the crown for yourself is impossible for mortals, although you can always reduce him to a ceremonial figurehead. Of course, the powers are inherited in the same way as the throne.

This is perhaps the first invincible quest giver who makes sense. Alternatively, he could have all sorts of interesting motivations for going out into the world.

Aside from Mendanbar (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/EnchantedForestChronicles?from=Main.EnchantedFores tChronicles), do you have any interesting source material for him?

Gareth3

2013-10-08, 05:46 PM

I don't really have any source material for him, he just came out of thinking about traditional monarchies and what it would take for one to work in Creation. I suppose Carrot from the Discworld books would be an example of the kind of powers he'd have.

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-08, 07:39 PM

So, what happens if this Exigent is killed without an heir?

Turalisj

2013-10-08, 07:42 PM

So, what happens if this Exigent is killed without an heir?

The killer gains the exaltation. But you must shout "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!" while raising your sword into the air as the power transfers to you.

Gareth3

2013-10-08, 08:34 PM

The power vanishes, just like killing a Dragon-Blooded with no children.

Hiro Protagonest

2013-10-08, 08:47 PM

The power vanishes, just like killing a Dragon-Blooded with no children.
But you said

Of course, the powers are inherited in the same way as the throne.

. That means the power goes to whoever he's chosen as heir.

Gareth3

2013-10-08, 09:11 PM

Killing the Rightful King is relatively easy when he has an heir, and the power is inherited by the heir. If he has no heir, it's extremely difficult to kill him, like going up against a defence-focused Solar. If you do manage it, the Exigence dies with him. Yes, this means he can become immortal if he makes sure he has no heirs. But the power can be inherited by relatives as well as children, so in order for this to work he'd have kill off hundreds of relatives. I imagine one Rightful King has tried this, and it didn't end well.

Leliel

2013-10-08, 10:16 PM

Uh guys?

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but this is important news from the backer email:

The Devs and I wanted to let you folks know of a concerning situation that has developed over the last week. John Morke had been experiencing some neck and ear pain since the 19th of September and finally went in to the emergency room to get it looked at. Very rapidly, the staff there let him know that there was a very real chance that he had some form of lymphoma, and began running tests. As of today, they have just done a biopsy that we haven't heard the results for, but the word is currently that they have ruled out everything besides cancer as a possible cause.

John tells me that other than the ear pain (and now the worry about how things will turn out), he feels great, and that he's been using his waiting room time to keep on working on the Charms. So currently, we don't know where this will go, or what impact these events may have on the work on EX3, but as things develop we will let you in on what is going on.

So...when it inevitably comes up, anyone want to donate anything to the John Morke Cancer Treatment Fund?

HerrTenko

2013-10-09, 02:09 PM

Yeah, I saw that, and damn that's depressing.

Since I'm currently looking for a Job I might actually end up having money to throw his way if they ever need it. I'll be happy to do so.

Kyeudo

2013-10-09, 02:54 PM

If they do it on Kickstarter, we could add cybernetic enhancements as stretch goals. :smalltongue:

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-09, 04:07 PM

If they do it on Kickstarter, we could add cybernetic enhancements as stretch goals. :smalltongue:

As the Ten Thousand Talents Man?

((Talents as in the unit of currency, not skill.))

Qwertystop

2013-10-09, 04:22 PM

If they do it on Kickstarter, we could add cybernetic enhancements as stretch goals. :smalltongue:

No. If people are donating that much money to help a cancer patient, excess money should go to other cancer patients.

It's really not a joking matter.

Recaiden

2013-10-09, 05:26 PM

No. If people are donating that much money to help a cancer patient, excess money should go to other cancer patients.

It's really not a joking matter.

However, people are not discussing donating to help cancer patients, but donating to help a singular person. Who might happen to have cancer(hopefully not even), but his need for bionic/magitech augmentation is completely separate from that.

Lix Lorn

2013-10-09, 05:58 PM

This is absolutely the best idea. xD
I think Kickstarter doesn't allow projects for personal issues, and I think medical bills would qualify?

golentan

2013-10-12, 09:57 PM

Well, my group has gone devil tiger now. It's going to be a lot of work, but I'm looking forward to it!

Guancyto

2013-10-12, 10:49 PM

Huh. Despite keeping up with a lot of campaigns, and despite how it's treated as a given on forums, this the first time I've heard of it actually happening.

Well.

Best of luck, gun-arms man.

I don't suppose you've got an Abyssal Redemption that happened at the same time, while we're sighting unicorns?

golentan

2013-10-12, 10:55 PM

Gensh

2013-10-12, 11:19 PM

I don't suppose you've got an Abyssal Redemption that happened at the same time, while we're sighting unicorns?

I once had an Abyssal redeem and then immediately sell out to Isidoros.

golentan

2013-10-12, 11:45 PM

I once had an Abyssal redeem and then immediately sell out to Isidoros.

As an Akuma? Did you make them be an NPC? Which version of Isidoros did you use?

Gensh

2013-10-13, 02:32 AM

As an Akuma? Did you make them be an NPC? Which version of Isidoros did you use?

Had the game continued for longer than a few sessions after the event, it would have gotten pretty messy. I tried to hybridize Solar and Infernal with predictably ugly results. The more Infernal Charms the character took, the more her Solar Charms would cost, and the Solar set would have eventually locked down. Basically, she was intended to become a surrogate third circle demon, forcing her way into the soul hierarchy. Essentially, it was the reverse of the Deathlord transformation, with the Exalt wearing the pants in the relationship. Like I said, though, shortly afterward, the game fell apart, so she wasn't able to make use of anything except with stunts. Had it continued, I'd have used TDO's Charmset, though.

As a side note, there were Protomen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cnYvMC2fCo&list=PL74C577B68B65B620) references as far as the eye could see whenever Isidoros was involved.

Mind, I did try to get the Dawn in that game to become an actual akuma. In-character, of course. It caused what I think was the only Limit Break in that entire game.

golentan

2013-10-13, 03:35 PM

Side note, Inevitable Colossus Ego is a RIDICULOUS charm in high level play. For those who haven't read Isidoros by the Demented One, the charm guarantees at least (essence) successes on any action you use it on for 1m, but if you fail despite that you refuse to believe any evidence that you did anything but succeed.

Guancyto

2013-10-13, 03:42 PM

golentan

2013-10-13, 03:51 PM

That sounds like the most hilarious charm.

"I blocked that like a BOSS."
"There is a spear. Sticking out of your chest."
"Like a BOSS."

"Yeah, I totally convinced him to turn to our side. You just watch."
"He seems to have brought his army."
"And watch, now they'll fight the other army and win this war for us."
*two armies charge toward each other, stop as they meet, shake hands*
"Didn't I tell you? It's my island!"

"Yeah, she's totally into me."
"She shot you!"
"It was a love tap!"

The funniest one so far that I've actually seen was a perception awareness roll to detect an ambush. OBVIOUSLY he noticed everything that could be important, so he had no idea why the other characters suddenly started dancing around with their weapons and decided to sit back and enjoy the performance art.

Qwertystop

2013-10-13, 03:58 PM

Lochar

2013-10-13, 04:13 PM

That sounds like the most hilarious charm.

"I blocked that like a BOSS."
"There is a spear. Sticking out of your chest."
"Like a BOSS."

Yes... it hit your weakpoint for massive damage.

"Like a BOSS."

golentan

2013-10-13, 04:14 PM

I'm envisioning combining it with Strength is Destruction (Roll Dexterity + Athletics whenever you touch something, at a difficulty equal to your purchases of Borne by the Boar, which is a charm with a lot of benefits for multiple purchases, or automatically try to break whatever you touched).

You end up insisting that you didn't break the thing which lies ruined in your hand.

Sadly no. Borne by the Boar can only be purchased (essence) times, so the difficulty will never exceed the number of successes you're guaranteed. It would be pretty funny, though. "This egg is perfectly intact and ready to be boiled, and I definitely successfully have picked up the pot of boiling water rather than punching it in half. Let the cooking commence!"

Qwertystop

2013-10-13, 04:20 PM

Sadly no. Borne by the Boar can only be purchased (essence) times, so the difficulty will never exceed the number of successes you're guaranteed. It would be pretty funny, though. "This egg is perfectly intact and ready to be boiled, and I definitely successfully have picked up the pot of boiling water rather than punching it in half. Let the cooking commence!"

Is there any way to apply penalties against the "guaranteed" successes?

Lochar

2013-10-13, 04:24 PM

If you can inflict external penalties on yourself, yes.

Like, say, not having hands.

Rockphed

2013-10-13, 11:17 PM

If you can inflict external penalties on yourself, yes.

Like, say, not having hands.

Yes, isodores is a notoriously bad cook, but he refuses to acknowledge it because he uses that charm constantly.

Lochar

2013-10-14, 05:43 AM

Yes, isodores is a notoriously bad cook, but he refuses to acknowledge it because he uses that charm constantly.

The last few Infernals that tried to point this out were turned into pancakes.

The_Snark

2013-10-14, 06:10 AM

Or omelettes.

Actually, I bet Isidoros is really good at omelettes. Break stuff! Mash it together! Set it on fire! Omelette!

Exthalion

2013-10-14, 10:18 AM

Or omelettes.

Actually, I bet Isidoros is really good at omelettes. Break stuff! Mash it together! Set it on fire! Omelette!

The question is who's omelette is better? Malfeas is also a maker of omelettes, practicing constantly on millions of his demon inhabitants.

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-14, 01:06 PM

Of course Isodoros does the most flattened omlettes. Malfeas does radioactive and hateful omlettes. Difference in flavor.

golentan

2013-10-14, 02:35 PM

Metagaos does not care for their specifics, he gladly will eat all the omelets!

Lix Lorn

2013-10-14, 03:08 PM

...
See, my first reaction was 'Oooh, I want a yozi masterchef.'
Then it was 'I bet Gordon Ramsay could shout down Malfeas.'

HerrTenko

2013-10-15, 02:47 AM

...
See, my first reaction was 'Oooh, I want a yozi masterchef.'
Then it was 'I bet Gordon Ramsay could shout down Malfeas.'

Twilight-equivalent Infernal Sig confirmed for Ramsay-like cook that shouts food and staff into submition and sears steak with radioactive fire.

And all rejoiced.

Exthalion

2013-10-15, 10:49 AM

Twilight-equivalent Infernal Sig confirmed for Ramsay-like cook that shouts food and staff into submition and sears steak with radioactive fire.

And all rejoiced.

Don't forget uses a base of Hegra rain for all the soups.

golentan

2013-10-15, 11:41 AM

Metagaos provides greensgreys for the salads. In Soviet Malfeas, Salad eats YOU!

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-17, 12:49 AM

Good news in the latest Kickstarter update, guys. :smallsmile:

Kyeudo

2013-10-17, 08:46 AM

You can post the updates in public, you know, especially this one.

Just a brief note to let you concerned folks know that John has been told that the lab tests revealed no cancer- which we are all absolutely thrilled to hear- but if the pain persists after a month that they'll test again for it. Which is less thrilling to hear, but what can you do?

Also, those of you who pledged to Reward Tiers that contain classic Exalted PDFs have been sent messages containing the links for your PDF downloads. If you have problems with the download, please contact DriveThruRPG Customer Service- they are really great and there's not a lot more I can do for you than they can when it comes to downloads. If you didn't get the message with the links, please check your Spam filters first, and if you still can't find it please let me know.

Regular Progress Update next week!

golentan

2013-10-17, 02:36 PM

Exthalion

2013-10-17, 02:39 PM

Well, in two days the first session of my infernals game with the characters as devil tigers happens. They're walking into a world teetering on the edge of war between four major powers, and filled to the brim with independent god kings.

Out of curiosity, is this a face to face game? Based on the stories I here, I would be most interested in playing in a play by post game you ran.

golentan

2013-10-17, 03:05 PM

Out of curiosity, is this a face to face game? Based on the stories I here, I would be most interested in playing in a play by post game you ran.

It's a face to face game, yes.

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-17, 03:33 PM

Sounds totally interesting Golentan, congratulations and best wishes on the way. Make the world tremble !

By the way, what four major powers are at war here ?

golentan

2013-10-17, 03:48 PM

Sounds totally interesting Golentan, congratulations and best wishes on the way. Make the world tremble !

By the way, what four major powers are at war here ?

The Joint Autochthonian Occupation Authority in the south (Dominated by Yugash), The Realm under Empress Mnemon, The Third Deliberative ruled by Yurgen Kaneko, and the Skullstone Confederation ruled by a council of assorted deathknights.

The Autochthonians are the power that could be described as most neutral on the subject of war. They're undergoing tremendous internal social upheaval from the return to creation, though, and there are hawks who want to vent that social pressure with war on the scavenger lands.

Skullstone is in the middle of a multi-decade war with several of the deathlords, and are watching their alleged ally the First and Forsaken Lion closely for signs of betrayal. A war with mortal forces is being advocated to create additional ghosts that they could use in their struggle for true independence.

The Third Deliberative has continued expanding at various rates over the past several decades. They'd really like to claim the blessed isle and rebuild meru as their headquarters, but their previous invasion fleet was wiped out by the realm defense grid and they've been in a bit of a border war with realm satrapies since then.

Mnemon would really like to wipe out the Bull and Skullstone, but doesn't have enough power to do it decisively without use of the grid, and she doesn't want her first century of rule to be marked by the destruction of the infrastructure of the isle. She's nervous about the autochthonians, but has made overtures to try and point them at the Deliberative.

Exthalion

2013-10-17, 05:48 PM

golentan

2013-10-17, 06:36 PM

Mild confusion, but isn't Skullstone and the First and Forsaken Lion's base something like the length of Eurasia from each other and separated by expanses of desert and ocean barren in Creation and the Underworld? Did someone set up a Gate of Inauspicious Passage?

As of the early stages of the war, they're jointly occupying stygia while engaged in a joint project within the labyrinth there. The distance was also part of the appeal of the initial alliance (FaFL was unlikely to invade, got an excuse to conquer more of the underworld, and helped open a second front on some of their enemies) but with how well things have gone for them since certain plot points, that "distant ergo unlikely to invade" thing is beginning to look less like a physical guarantee and more like a matter of time before one side or the other mounts a betrayal.

Edit: Also, skullstone has conquered much of the west and set up many satellite colonies around the world (places they can reach with their advanced navy, mostly)

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-23, 06:52 PM

Hey, anybody living in the vicinity of Jacksonville, FL (or willing to hellride through Shadow to get there), John Mørke is calling for people to playtest Ex3! :eek:

Exthalion

2013-10-23, 07:04 PM

Hey, anybody living in the vicinity of Jacksonville, FL (or willing to hellride through Shadow to get there), John Mørke is calling for people to playtest Ex3! :eek:

There is obviously only one solution, everyone skypes! Let the age of telepresence begin!

Gensh

2013-10-23, 07:46 PM

There is obviously only one solution, everyone skypes! Let the age of telepresence begin!

I've found that chat games are actually the most efficient, yeah. Ideally, you've got Maptool running the IC, while everyone derps around in the Skype call. In person, you've got issues like restroom and dinner breaks, and everyone is always playing with the dice or something. Being able to cut that out while still letting everyone talk to each other in real time is a big help.

Weimann

2013-10-24, 03:47 PM

New Kickstarter update (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/deluxe-exalted-3rd-edition/posts/639518) containing a preview of the Quick Character creation rules (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B57iDF62OjtPVldfMl9nOGgwSzg/edit?usp=sharing)!

Note, preview. Stuff may change.

Sith_Happens

2013-10-24, 07:01 PM

Have the devs said anywhere previously what sorts of dice pool sizes they're going for for different skill levels/resources invested? Because if not, there they are.

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-25, 12:14 AM

Another important thing to note is that a chargen Solar now starts at Essence 1.

The_Snark

2013-10-25, 12:30 AM

Peek into social mechanics is interesting. There's Resolve, which probably isn't exactly like MDV but sounds at least vaguely analogous in that it's the stat that measures how well you cling to your beliefs and resist social pressure.

There's also Guile, which I'm guessing is something like a formalized version of the Manipulate+Socialize dicepool that you use to hide your intentions in 2E.

Kyeudo

2013-10-25, 12:57 AM

There's also Guile, which I'm guessing is something like a formalized version of the Manipulate+Socialize dicepool that you use to hide your intentions in 2E.

It might also have eaten the function of Parry MDV.

Blackdrop

2013-10-25, 05:10 PM

I've found that chat games are actually the most efficient, yeah. Ideally, you've got Maptool running the IC, while everyone derps around in the Skype call. In person, you've got issues like restroom and dinner breaks...

I apologize for the off-topicness, but how does playing over a Skype call remove the need for one to pee or eat?

On-topic: Is there, like, a list, itemized or haphazardly thrown together, of all the changes from 2E to 3E, that we so far revealed?

Guancyto

2013-10-25, 05:12 PM

Well, going in a bottle is a lot more awkward in-person. :smalltongue:

Kyeudo

2013-10-25, 05:13 PM

I apologize for the off-topicness, but how does playing over a Skype call remove the need for one to pee or eat?

It removes some of the disruption. Also, you can eat at your computer desk without bothering the guy next to you or getting gravy on your dice.

Blackdrop

2013-10-25, 05:16 PM

Eh, fair enough. Also, ew, Guancyto.

Gensh

2013-10-25, 06:09 PM

It removes some of the disruption. Also, you can eat at your computer desk without bothering the guy next to you or getting gravy on your dice.

Yep, yep. Nothing destroys a game like someone suggesting everyone order sandwiches. First, he has to dig up the old menus he was keeping hold of for some reason, and everyone's got to spend several minutes deciding what to get. Then someone has to call, and you force the poor sandwich shop employee to wait while you attempt to pass the phone around, dropping it several times in the process. No one feels like continuing the game while you're spending up to half an hour waiting on the sandwiches, and then once they've arrived and everyone has eaten, half the players are too full to get into character. The disruption never ends. :smalltongue:

Guancyto

2013-10-25, 06:40 PM

Eh, fair enough. Also, ew, Guancyto.

I am joking, of course.

:smalltongue:

TheCountAlucard

2013-10-25, 07:27 PM

Truth of the matter is, for me at least, if the session's long enough for eating to be required in the midst of it, we stop playing to eat. I have yet to see this negatively impact my games; in fact, breaking for a bit is good, in my experience. You might eat, live, and breathe Exalted, but sometimes ya gotta rest for a bit! (And I've never had myself or a player be "too full to be in-character." :smallconfused:

Even my Skype games usually will have little breaks.

Gensh

2013-10-25, 07:46 PM

You might eat, live, and breathe Exalted, but sometimes ya gotta rest for a bit!

NIGHTMARE FUGUE VIGILANCE :smallamused:

It really does depend on your group, though. In my experience, game night has always been more of a social event when in person. Even though there are occasional breaks in online games, since none of the off-topic discussion is in the IC chat, it makes for a cleaner transition. I envy your luck with finding a good group, Alucard.

Weimann

2013-10-26, 03:37 PM

I apologize for the off-topicness, but how does playing over a Skype call remove the need for one to pee or eat?

On-topic: Is there, like, a list, itemized or haphazardly thrown together, of all the changes from 2E to 3E, that we so far revealed?Check out the What We Know (http://avatarcomic.net/ExaltedWiki/mediawiki-1.19.1/index.php?title=Exalted_3E:_What_We_Know) document. It's not a list of changes, as such, but it's a collection of statements, comments and answers the developers, writers and associated personnel have given about 3e. I don't know how consistently it's been kept updated, but I do spot some lines about the recently revealed Quick Character rules in there, so it shouldn't be that out of date.

Also, of course, many spoilers were given during the Kickstarter in the form of pdf documents and gleans at char trees and such, which will not be in there.

If you want to keep up with developer and writer posts in the White Wolf Exalted forum in particular, check out Nishkriya (http://nishkriya.com/). It keeps track of selected persons' posts on that board. I'd expect it to be invaluable once 3e actually hits.

Zorzark

2013-10-27, 01:55 PM

Hello Exalted thread. May I trouble you for a moment?

You see, um... I've got some questions about the Eclipse anima power. I'm the Eclipse in my group, and our party is about to try and use the Yu Shan gates as a way to get to Sijan quickly from the 100 Kingdoms (with assistance from the Bronze faction). The ST has ruled that this counts as being on legitimate business, so most of the gods are going to look the other way if we're spotted (and we're going to try and be quick and quiet about it), but one of my group members argues that it doesn't count since we're not on explicit business with any of the beings of that realm. The rest of us think that passing through peacefully counts as legitimate business and that attacking us would be like... Country B shooting down a plane carrying a diplomat from Country A, who is heading to Country C.

While the ST has ruled with the majority of us, is there a point to what my tablemate says?

I think maybe he feels the Eclipse caste has too many awesome anima powers (It... probably does) but I'm trying not to step on anyone's toes by sticking pretty closely to the non-combat-y diplomat type (I haven't even had time or opportunity to learn any non-Solar charms, although I joke about how I'm going to get Sid martial arts while we're in Heaven).

Lix Lorn

2013-10-27, 02:51 PM

Well, first off, the eclipse anima is WAY overpowered. :smalltongue:

But, I'm pretty sure you're correct.

What's more, most of the denizens of heaven would side with solars against... most other things, unless they had a personal grudge. It's only the bronze faction who would be a danger, and they're on your side, and unaffected by the anima anyway.

Turalisj

2013-10-27, 03:13 PM

Further, burden of proof is on the player to prove his point is correct and the ST's point is not. If he hasn't given sufficient evidence to prove to the ST that his point is correct, then the ST's ruling stands.

Sith_Happens

2013-10-27, 06:06 PM

Been watching Trigun. Who else thinks that Vash the Stampede would be perfect as a Solar?

Kyeudo

2013-10-27, 06:07 PM

Been watching Trigun. Who else thinks that Vash the Stampede would be perfect as a Solar?

Only when in badass mode. Most of the time, he's too passive, too willing to fade into the background.

Guancyto

2013-10-27, 06:21 PM

While the ST has ruled with the majority of us, is there a point to what my tablemate says?

There seems to exist a certain 'point' in a campaign where fast travel has been obtained and the world either gets a lot smaller or you're tackling more international problems. (Corresponds to the part in RPGs where you finally get that damned airship.)

You have a fast and safe way to get around, contingent on being in good with the Bronzies (which I hope was not easy to arrange). The Eclipse anima isn't even necessary for this - it just keeps hobo gods from trying to shake you down for booze money. Not A Big Deal.

Edit: Vash is definitely Solar material; he seems like an older generation of Solars (one of the free shards) that's decided he doesn't need to be large and in charge all the time.

Ifni

2013-10-27, 06:32 PM

contingent on being in good with the Bronzies (which I hope was not easy to arrange)

Yeah, any advice on this front? My Eclipse is meeting Chejop Kejak tomorrow morning (in-game), for tea, if all goes well. I have several draft posts pre-written but I'm kinda curious to hear what's worked for other people :smallwink:

Turalisj

2013-10-27, 06:41 PM

Hope he's in a good mood. That way you'll only die from having your soul implode.

Zorzark

2013-10-27, 06:57 PM

Lix Lorn

2013-10-27, 06:59 PM

The only real problem gameplay wise with the eclipse anima is if you do things OTHER people do. If you have a DB party member with Elemental Bolt, don't take elemental bolt unless you'll only be using it to boost his. But if everyone in the party is specced for melee, then no-one's likely to be mad at you picking up a ranged charm.

Assuming they're reasonable. :smalltongue:

golentan

2013-10-27, 07:20 PM

Been watching Trigun. Who else thinks that Vash the Stampede would be perfect as a Solar?

We even know what his limit break is, though he usually seems to have it under partial control when it manifests.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/180/d/0/red_rage_of_compassion_by_golentan-d3kha2b.jpg

golentan

2013-10-27, 08:24 PM

I'm posting this a couple places. Thought you folks might appreciate it.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/300/3/c/borderlands_1_by_golentan-d6s2url.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/300/9/b/borderlands_2_by_golentan-d6s2uzd.jpg
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/300/d/f/borderlands_3_by_golentan-d6s2v49.jpg
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/300/6/e/borderlands_4_by_golentan-d6s2v96.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/300/d/a/borderlands_5_by_golentan-d6s2ve7.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/300/9/3/borderlands_6_by_golentan-d6s2vlb.jpg

Ifni

2013-10-28, 01:15 AM

Oh frick I typed Bronze faction didn't I? I mean with assistance from a Gold faction member. I always get my Sids mixed up. Basically a Gold Sid wants us to stay alive a little longer because we're in position to be a wrench in a Deathlord's plans so he's willing to help us duck through a Yu Shan gate or two.

(...also ain't no way them hobo gods are gonna get their hands on my booze.)

Yeah, Eclipse anima is OP, but I'm glad to hear that it's not actually a big deal in this situation. As the only Eclipse in the group I kinda feel like I'm walking on eggshells a lot, even though I don't think I do much outside of my magic handshake.

Ah. Yeah, your biggest problem zipping through Yu-Shan like that is likely to be Bronze Sidereals, who don't give a damn about the Eclipse anima and may look very unfavorably on Solars intruding on their turf. However, there are less than fifty of them and they're super busy, so if you're quick and avoid drawing attention (and your GoldSid buddy is (a) competent and (b) actually Gold Faction) you'll probably be okay.

Re Eclipse anima: My Eclipse, personally, has used her oath power a ridiculous amount (mostly on herself, as a trust-building measure), the "learn other people's Charms" once (at chargen - she knows the Wind-Carried Words Technique), and has never invoked diplomatic immunity at all because she has Occult 0 and nobody's been kind enough to tell her it exists :smallfrown: But yeah, the oath power alone would still be a very nice anima effect.

@Turalisj: heh. I suspect she'll survive, if the meeting does happen, although she might wish she hadn't. Chejop doesn't have much reason to kill her - it's almost impossible to imagine a host for her Exaltation who wouldn't be worse from the Bronze's perspective. She's a non-combat-focused easily killable Solar over whom they have essentially infinite leverage (via an Immaculate monk to whom she has an Intimacy of Love + Absolute Loyalty), who wants to protect the Realm from its enemies and prevent the restoration of the power structures of the First Age (due partly to lingering Immaculate beliefs but mostly to an unfortunate array of past-life flashbacks - her past incarnation was Arkadi). And right at the moment she's focused on the Mask of Winters and completely uninterested in picking fights with anyone else. She's also married to a higher-Essence, combat-focused Dragon-Blood who could wipe the floor with her in a fight, she's oathbound not to use UMI on her husband, and not only is he demonstrably willing to call her out for abusing Solar social-fu, he promised her that he'd stop her if necessary. (Of course, he's firmly on board with the idea of a Lookshy/Lunars/Solars alliance vs the eastern Deathlords, whereas the Bronze Faction probably doesn't like that plan because it begins with "Lookshy/Lunars/Solars alliance".)

@golentan: I like the Red Rage of Compassion pic :smallwink: (and the others, but that one particularly) It's the one Limit Break I've ever played out where I was sorry when it ended. (The PC ended up doing the in-setting small-scale equivalent of tearing down the Berlin Wall, completely by accident - it was between her and her target - but App-5 Cha-5 Solar tearing down a symbol of slavery and oppression with her bare hands got a lot of enthusiastic crowd participation :smallwink:)

golentan

2013-10-28, 02:10 PM

@Turalisj: heh. I suspect she'll survive, if the meeting does happen, although she might wish she hadn't. Chejop doesn't have much reason to kill her - it's almost impossible to imagine a host for her Exaltation who wouldn't be worse from the Bronze's perspective. She's a non-combat-focused easily killable Solar over whom they have essentially infinite leverage (via an Immaculate monk to whom she has an Intimacy of Love + Absolute Loyalty), who wants to protect the Realm from its enemies and prevent the restoration of the power structures of the First Age (due partly to lingering Immaculate beliefs but mostly to an unfortunate array of past-life flashbacks - her past incarnation was Arkadi). And right at the moment she's focused on the Mask of Winters and completely uninterested in picking fights with anyone else. She's also married to a higher-Essence, combat-focused Dragon-Blood who could wipe the floor with her in a fight, she's oathbound not to use UMI on her husband, and not only is he demonstrably willing to call her out for abusing Solar social-fu, he promised her that he'd stop her if necessary. (Of course, he's firmly on board with the idea of a Lookshy/Lunars/Solars alliance vs the eastern Deathlords, whereas the Bronze Faction probably doesn't like that plan because it begins with "Lookshy/Lunars/Solars alliance".)

Remember that even if you aren't on the kill list short term, you are on the kill list. The Bronze Faction believes with good cause that solars are if not the greatest then one of the greatest threats to creation extant, and that the only way to prevent that threat coming to fruition is to keep solars from growing powerful enough to abuse their power. Kill them in the cradle, one way or the other. They're not necessarily rabid on the subject (one of the best things about Chejop is his willingness to compromise himself for the good of creation), so the fact that you do have handles and are facing down the deathlords may mean you're safe for the Tea. Temporarily. But still, tread very lightly in your conversation, if Chejop suspects that you are close to suborning any of the handles on you, or simply growing too powerful to safely eliminate when your spot on the assassination roster comes up (and you are still on that roster, unless the ST is very generous) you may find that you move up to the top of the list very, very quickly. Also, if you have charms for it, check the tea for yozi venom before sipping...

Exthalion

2013-10-28, 02:31 PM

I am going to ask what I suspect is a stupid question. In so much as I already expect the answer to this question, anyone moved, by whatever spirit motivates, them to state this suspected answer, in whatever derogatory or inflated language of their choosing, may feel free to not do so.

That being said: How broken is Quicksilver Hand of Dreams Style? Assuming that the death survival aspect of the form requires the same essence roll as everything else in the form? For what it matters, the character it is for intends to use it to eventually pull a Leto II and remove himself from the world while still influencing things subtly.

Guancyto

2013-10-28, 02:38 PM

check the tea for Anys Syn before sipping...

You made a typo, I have amended it.

I assume you're trying to sell Chejop on your alliance (unless you're very pointedly not mentioning it which might be smarter). The thing about the Deathlords as a common enemy is that it depends on how much you really know about their objectives and nature. If you have the MoEP in your hands, there's not much reason to fight with other Creation-side guys while the Deathlords are still around.

The various powers are playing a very large and elaborate game of Chess. Or Gateway. Whatever. Let's go with Gateway. They're directly opposed with the overarching question of "who rules?" which fortunately has no good answer and a lot of people murdering each other.

A new Balorian Crusade would be like someone trying to throw the board out the window and into the moat below. Everything gets smashed and there's no guarantee that the game will ever be resumed, and even if it is it certainly won't look anything like it did.

Team Oblivion is trying to set the board on fire. And the table on fire. And the castle on fire, and all the players and potential players on fire so that no one will ever play Gateway again.

As my Defiler likes to say, "their objective is a cataclysm so fundamentally and metaphysically scarring that it makes consumption by the Wyld look like putting away a game of checkers. Also, you'll all die."

Barring that, if you know about deathknights you can definitely bump them up about a hundred and fifty places on the kill list (and yourself down accordingly) because most of them are the Sidereals' worst fears about Solars come true.

golentan

2013-10-28, 02:57 PM

Nonsense. Everyone knows to check teacups for sidereal assassins, so the high end sidereal assassins have taken to hiding in the space between heartbeats instead. Other than that, I agree with you Guancyto.

Turalisj

2013-10-28, 03:55 PM

Guancyto

2013-10-28, 04:05 PM

Let's be fair here, that Lunar had such stupid proportions that he could have done that without magic.

Rikandur Azebol

2013-10-28, 06:29 PM

That being said: How broken is Quicksilver Hand of Dreams Style? Assuming that the death survival aspect of the form requires the same essence roll as everything else in the form? For what it matters, the character it is for intends to use it to eventually pull a Leto II and remove himself from the world while still influencing things subtly.

I believe it's cruder Fair Folk Shaping Combat that works in Cretion. So ... for people of Creation who don't know Shaping Combat ? You basically own them with pinnacle charms, early charms are okay I think. Don't use it on Fair Folk in their turf, though ... they'll kill you with laughter.

But everyone and their grandmothers forget you ever existed, so it have pluses for the loner crazy people.

industrious

2013-10-30, 03:57 PM

Yeah, any advice on this front? My Eclipse is meeting Chejop Kejak tomorrow morning (in-game), for tea, if all goes well. I have several draft posts pre-written but I'm kinda curious to hear what's worked for other people :smallwink:

My personal favorite method for dealing with Chejop Kejak is to bring an army. And then, while he slaughters them, run to the Wyld as fast as you can. It's a sound strategy that has precedent.

Sith_Happens

2013-10-30, 04:47 PM

My personal favorite method for dealing with Chejop Kejak is to bring an army. And then, while he slaughters them, run to the Wyld as fast as you can. It's a sound strategy that has precedent.

Can't he punch all of them at the same time, though? That wouldn't get you a very long headstart.

Lochar

2013-10-30, 05:03 PM

Can't he punch all of them at the same time, though? That wouldn't get you a very long headstart.

If you survive the punch, then you fall down with them.

That'll give you at least six ticks while he gets his 20 or so successes on perception to notice the only living person among the dead army. Make the most of those six ticks.

Mewtarthio

2013-10-30, 07:29 PM

Chejop Kejack never leaves corpses behind unless he's got a very good reason. When he punches your army, you're left standing in the middle of an open plain, wondering why you felt so confident about this duel earlier.

Lord Raziere

2013-10-30, 07:33 PM

"I have come for you Chejop Kejack! I will kill you!"
The Solar Exalted says while legions march behind him.
Chejop Kejack performs Never-There-Legion Strike.
"You and what army?"
Chejop dryly replies.
The Solar Exalted looks around.
"What army indeed..."
the Solar said.

Obscurejones

2013-10-30, 08:23 PM

So I've been combing my usual sources and coming up dry, and then after reflection decided to throw the question out to you fine folks.

Where do you go to find good Exalted Reference Art?

Exthalion

2013-10-30, 11:14 PM

Depends on the Essence Level, Location, and Time Period.

In general, I search video game and rpg concept art. I am fond of it anyway so it is fairly enjoyable.

Kyeudo

2013-10-30, 11:39 PM

Where do you go to find good Exalted Reference Art?

Start with Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children. Move on to Guilty Crown. Add Vision of Escaflowne. Skip Naruto.

Gensh

2013-10-30, 11:52 PM

So I've been combing my usual sources and coming up dry, and then after reflection decided to throw the question out to you fine folks.

Where do you go to find good Exalted Reference Art?

Kiyo (kiyo.deviantart.com) makes the prettiest official art. With an emphasis on pretty. Seriously, Typhon isn't even supposed to be good-looking. :smalltongue:

Watching Asura's Wrath (because playing it would be a waste of time) is a good start for Malfeas-favored Infernals.

Exthalion's right, though; there's simply so much in Exalted, all of the examples will be exceedingly specific.

Sith_Happens

2013-10-31, 12:00 AM

Add Vision of Escaflowne.

...If you want your character's nose to deal lethal damage.

SaurOps

2013-10-31, 03:55 PM

Kiyo (kiyo.deviantart.com) makes the prettiest official art. With an emphasis on pretty. Seriously, Typhon isn't even supposed to be good-looking. :smalltongue:

Two editions of descriptions disagree with you.

Gensh

2013-10-31, 04:09 PM

Two editions of descriptions disagree with you.

Upon checking, I see you are correct and am now confused as to why every other artist portrays him as hideous. :smallconfused:

Turalisj

2013-10-31, 05:50 PM

Say, Gensh, where would your adaption of "This is Halloween" be?

Gensh

2013-10-31, 06:27 PM

Say, Gensh, where would your adaption of "This is Halloween" be?

Pfft. Completely forgot what today was. :smalltongue:

[CECELYNE]
Gods and kings of every Age
Wouldn't you like to witness the rage?

[KIMBERY]
Come with us as we discuss
This, our realm of Malfeas

[TEODOZJIA CHORUS]
This is Malfeas this is Malfeas
Victims scream in the endless day

[BLOOD APES]
This is Malfeas, everybody is oppressed
Fight and kill 'til the Yozis have to shut you up
It's our realm, everybody scream
In this realm the Demon King

[CREATURE UNDER THE BED]
I am the one hiding under your bed
Teeth ground sharp and eyes glowing red

[MAN UNDER THE STAIRS]
I am the one hiding under yours stairs
Fingers like snakes and spiders in my hair

[DEMON CHORUS]
This is Malfeas, this is Malfeas

[NEOMAH]
Malfeas! Malfeas! Malfeas! Malfeas!
In this realm we call home
Everyone hail to the Tyrant's song

[LIGIER]
In this realm, don't we love it now?
Everybody's waiting 'til the next one dies

[DEMON CHORUS]
Round that corner, man hiding in the trash can
Something's waiting now to pounce, and how you'll...

[BLOOD APE, SONDOK & LIGIER]
Scream! This our Demon King
Blood'n' brass, glowing green

[SONDOK]
Aren't you scared?

[EREMBOUR]
Well, that's just fine
Say it once, say it twice
Take a chance and roll the dice
Ride with the dark in the Dragon's night

[SZORENY]
Everybody scream, everbody scream

[ISIDOROS]
In our realm the Demon King!

[CLOWN]
I am the clown with the tear-away face
Here in a flash and gone without a trace

[ADORJAN]
I am the "who" when you call, "Who's there?"
I am the wind blowing through your hair

[EBON DRAGON]
I am the shadow on the sun most high
Filling your heart to the brim with lies

[DEMON CHORUS]
This is Malfeas, this is Malfeas
Malfeas! Malfeas! Malfeas! Malfeas!
Malfeas! Malfeas!

[SWLIHN]
Poison gases in the air
Whoever said that life was fair

[SZORENY]
Watch your friends as they combust
In our realm of Malfeas

[DEMON CHORUS]
In this realm

[LIGIER]
Don't we love it now?
Everyone's waiting 'til the next one dies

[DEMON CHORUS]
Brass Malfeas might catch you unawares
And fall like a earthquake
Crush you right under his fist
This our Demon King, everybody scream
Wont' ya please make way for a very angry guy

Mal-fe-as is King of the oppressed mass(es)
Everyone hail to the Demon King

[EVERYONE]
This is Malfeas, this is Malfeas
Malfeas! Malfeas! Malfeas! Malfeas!

[SWLIHN]
In this realm we call home
Everyone hail to the Tyrant's song

[EVERYONE]
La la-la la, Malfeas! Malfeas! [Repeat]

Endless Query

2013-10-31, 11:16 PM

Exthalion

2013-10-31, 11:24 PM

I'm sure this has been done/discussed before, since, I mean, Exalted is full of super powered people who glow with giant yellow auras when they charge their attacks and all, but if someone was, on a lark, modeling a DBZ style Saiyan as a Solar (Or because their friends are uncreative and would be willing to play Exalted if they could just make a Saiyan e_e) What would be the best route to capture that sort of feel? Preferably while retaining reasonable effectiveness, but not breaking the game in either direction (That is, neither over nor underpowered, a nice midline). Any suggestions or links to conversations that have already occurred?

Dawn with Solar Hero Style, Athletics, and Resistance. If they will not be dissuaded from shooting energy blasts, have them pick up Blazing Solar Bolt and a Cetus or something of the sort so they can just punch it. Dodge will also be useful for some of the tricks that Athletics doesn't cover. Finally, tell them to spend from their peripheral pool.

Edit: You might also point out that most battles aren't going to last a minute.

Endless Query

2013-10-31, 11:37 PM

Exthalion

2013-10-31, 11:45 PM

That's remarkably simple... Annnd looks like it probably works from a quick scan through, thanks. Mnnhh, I do so love one note combat monkeys in my games. Oh well, hopefully this'll get the foot in the door and we can lead by example! Guide one to RPing as Solars guided mankind to possible utopia!...

Hopefully with less curses, insanity, and betrayal and all.

Given that as a starting point, you might point them at Occult/Sorcery.

The Occult lets them see, hurt, and kill gods and demons which is nice. Sorcery is where they can get things like mutations to turn them into giant monkeys as well as those insane combat spells like Invulnerable Skin of Bronze. Let them fluff it as secret techniques if they like.

Also, with the MA investment you might be able to get them to branch out into other styles so that they can see some of the interesting things like Crystal Cameleon (Solar Flare) or Infernal Monster for the Azura's Wrath.

TheCountAlucard

2013-11-01, 06:59 AM

Actually, combat in 2e is a lot like DBZ. Fights begin with mass-expenditure power-up sequences; characters unleash massive planet-kerploding attacks that ultimately don't even tousle the enemy's hair; when an attack hits and actually damages someone, it's crazy-lethal or seriously crippling; whoever runs out of magic juice first tends to lose the fights; and most importantly, a fight that is supposed to go on for five minutes takes over four hours to resolve. :annoyed:

Might I suggest Bloodthirsty Sword-Dancer Spirit from the Resistance tree. The Kaio-ken is most likely a Combo involving Lightning Speed and Increasing Strength Exercise from the Athletics tree.

Obscurejones

2013-11-01, 08:43 AM

Endless Query

2013-11-01, 08:58 AM

Speaking of more strictly mechanical questions, if you take Craft as a Favored Ability, do you get all craft the way you seem to if it's a Caste ability, or do you only get one?

Amechra

2013-11-01, 09:01 AM

Well seeing as you lovely people answered my last question really well, here's another one.

Are there... Any infernal ride charms? Like... Any at all? I've got a southern gunslinger malefactor with a hell wasp familiar and I can't find anything to help them.

If you are willing to go into homebrew charms, Revlid has this charm. (http://forums.white-wolf.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1321367) It requires Viridian Legend Exoskeleton x2, though, so...

There are also Branding Emerald Reins (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Charms%3ABranding_Emerald_Reins) and Metal-and-Fire Steed (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Charms%3AMetal-and-Fire_Steed) in the same tree.

Kyeudo

2013-11-01, 09:35 AM

Speaking of more strictly mechanical questions, if you take Craft as a Favored Ability, do you get all craft the way you seem to if it's a Caste ability, or do you only get one?

Yes, all types of Craft become favored for you. This is why the most XP advantageous Abilities to favor are Martial Arts, Craft, and Occult.

Lix Lorn

2013-11-01, 12:22 PM

I don't know much about DBZ, but iirc it takes place on multiple planets? (I'm pretty sure I hear about one getting blown up)
It might be worth looking at the Shards stuff.

Weimann

2013-11-01, 12:47 PM

This just in: White Wolf is switching forums (http://forums.white-wolf.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1723386).

The link describes the details, but the short of it is that the new forum can be accessed immediately at http://forum.theonyxpath.com/ and that no information will be carried over from the old one. If there's anything on the old forum you'd like to save, you'll have to find it and copy it yourself.

This'll be my second forum migration with White Wolf. Exciting stuff! The new forums look swag, too.

Endless Query

2013-11-01, 02:30 PM

Speaking of Shards of Exalted Dreams, ended up looking through it, and I'm wondering, when you summon a firearm with Sunlit Arsenal Method, do they show up without any ammo? (I'm just assuming so, since it doesn't say they're loaded, but was curious if anyone had heard different), and if so, does anyone know if there was a Firearms equivalent to Inexhaustible Bolts of Solar Fire released, well, anywhere? Since they seemed to have kept firearms mostly balanced with the rest of Exalted's stuff, it'd be amusing to try to sell a GM on using them in the core setting or something (Maybe only the artifact versions exist or something), but getting ammo seems... Uh, hard then, to say the least. I know you can get 1 shot per mote with Lightening Reload Technique, but that seems impractical if you want to actually get any mileage in combat.

golentan

2013-11-01, 03:35 PM

Guancyto

2013-11-01, 03:38 PM

I don't think a custom Cecelyne charm where you push a demon to greater and greater limits while it's under your command would be out of line.

Of course it would require your mount to be a demon, but, well, jewel-sparkle-ponies are the best mounts anyway, right? :smallsmile:

Exthalion

2013-11-01, 03:59 PM

Essentially though, Infernals do not have ride charms because their equivalent is to make themselves go fast and carry things.

Yuki Akuma

2013-11-01, 07:24 PM

TheCountAlucard

2013-11-01, 07:57 PM

To be fair, Sidereals also have a Charm where you can fire a gun even when it's just your finger pointing at someone. :smallamused:

Hiro Protagonest

2013-11-01, 07:58 PM

To be fair, Sidereals also have a Charm where you can fire a gun even when it's just your finger pointing at someone. :smallamused:

That's the same Charm. Same cost, even, they just tell you that if you use it that way it's Obvious.

Yuki Akuma

2013-11-01, 08:14 PM

That's the same Charm. Same cost, even, they just tell you that if you use it that way it's Obvious.

Well, that, and your finger-gun's stats kinda suck compared to an artifact pistol.

Lord Raziere

2013-11-01, 08:53 PM

meh, still saves you dots and motes, I'd rather get the drop on someone with a finger-gun than whip out something thats obviously dangerous if I'm going to play a Sidereal. that and Starmetal concerns. plus Sidereals have less motes than other Celestials, so....that charm is kind of vital. as well as all the martial arts they teach. a Sidereal has far more important things to spend his background and motes on than artifact guns.

Guancyto

2013-11-01, 09:05 PM

...wait, there are more important things (for any character class or type) than having artifact guns?

It's like we're speaking a totally different language here.

No, the importance of the finger-gun-charm is style. It's one thing to blow a behemoth's head off with a sniper rifle - anybody can do that. It's when you stand underneath a skyscraper-sized monster and kill it by pressing your fingers together in the right motion that you can truly be called Exalted.

Yuki Akuma

2013-11-01, 09:18 PM

meh, still saves you dots and motes,

...How does it save motes? It costs motes every time you 'pull the trigger'.

The_Snark

2013-11-01, 09:31 PM

Speaking of Shards of Exalted Dreams, ended up looking through it, and I'm wondering, when you summon a firearm with Sunlit Arsenal Method, do they show up without any ammo? (I'm just assuming so, since it doesn't say they're loaded, but was curious if anyone had heard different), and if so, does anyone know if there was a Firearms equivalent to Inexhaustible Bolts of Solar Fire released, well, anywhere?

I would assume that weapons summoned with Sunlit Arsenal Method show up loaded; I don't see why they wouldn't be, since you're already conjuring stuff out of nothingness. (I personally think that Charm, and its equivalents in Archery and Melee, are already pretty inferior to the other options available.) I don't think there's any official Firearms stuff outside Shards, but a Firearms version of Inexhausible Bolts of Solar Fire sounds like pretty easy custom Charm material.

...How does it save motes? It costs motes every time you 'pull the trigger'.

Yeah. The finger-gun is neat, and the Charm that grants it includes several perks. But if you plan to get in a lot of fights, it's probably a good idea to pick up a real gun (preferably an artifact) too.

Endless Query

2013-11-01, 10:16 PM

Well mostly I was considering having a summonable rocket launcher, you know, for special occasions, though honestly with the Accuracy penalty I don't know that it's worth it anyways. Also, possibly, I suppose could be fun with a Godcannon. Why sneak a sniper rifle somewhere when you can just wait until you arrive and snap your fingers to summon it? Though I suppose you could always use the "Store in extra dimensional space" as well, if that's your thing.

Well and there's the Overdrive Mote Drip but I dunno how good that really is in the scheme of things.

Hiro Protagonest

2013-11-01, 10:20 PM

You could get that Charm that, y'know, lets you store guns in Elsewhere.

The_Snark

2013-11-01, 11:03 PM

You could get that Charm that, y'know, lets you store guns in Elsewhere.

Yeah, I prefer the Elsewhere-storing Charms over Glorious Solar Saber and its lookalikes. They have the same prerequisites, so you hardly need to change your build at all; I guess you have to play a little extra to acquire an artifact weapon to store, but in exchange you don't need to spend WP/activate a Simple Charm every time you get into a fight. Also, Elsewhere Draw Mastery lets you store multiple different weapons, allowing you to carry a small arsenal around, whereas Sunlit Arsenal Method makes you repurchase it for every type of weapon you want to summon.

I guess you miss out on the Overdrive bit, but I'm not sure 1 mote per action is worth the hassle.

Endless Query

2013-11-02, 03:02 PM

Actually, speaking of guns in general, what would you guys say are their virtues over just going bows? I mean, I've noticed that, if you've only got middling-to-low strength, the static damage on artifact guns ends up a bit higher than Powerbows, though there are a lot more arrow options, though it seems like bows can scale up higher since you can keep your strength going up (And also have a wider array of charms). Strafing is certainly interesting, and guns can very much generate more range early on, but in the mid-long run are there any particular advantages that Firearms actually have over bows? I mean, other than possibly just "GUNZ ARE COOL!" factors? =P

Turalisj

2013-11-02, 03:16 PM

Word from such as Plague of Hats is, that ranged was next slated to be nerfed before it was decided that 3e was going to be made. Ranges were supposed to be lowered, charms that let you pull stupid things like sniping from the top of Mt.Meru were going to be reduced, etc.

Endless Query

2013-11-02, 03:50 PM

Ah, so, after bow ranges were nerfed, guns were going to have impressive long ranges to compensate for their more static damage stats, but since bow ranges never got touched, guns just kinda exist to be wielded by, what, I guess low strength characters who can't get as much out of bows and so just will have to settle?

The_Snark

2013-11-02, 04:00 PM

Bear in mind that even a high-Strength character won't be outclassing guns for damage without a lot of effort. A long powerbow in the hands of a Strength 5 character has a damage of 8L/2, plus benefits from arrows (so either +2 damage or the Piercing tag). A grand shellcaster has a damage of 9L/3, and can be loaded with armor-piercing ammo for the P tag. (Also, it has better Accuracy, higher Rate and an extra hearthstone socket.) Seems like an even trade-off to me - and that's with the maximum possible Strength. For someone with a less-than-perfect Strength score, a gun is probably going to be the better choice.

It's true that characters who can increase their Strength above the usual limits - Increasing Strength Exercise, Strength Excellencies, size-changing mutations, Green Iron Hearts, and so on - are probably better off with a weapon that uses Strength, but I don't think that's a flaw. It's just how the system works. High Strength and guns don't synergize all that well.

Endless Query

2013-11-02, 04:06 PM

Hiro Protagonest

2013-11-02, 04:07 PM

I don't see how shotgun stats even got past playtesting. They suck.

The_Snark

2013-11-02, 04:16 PM

Mmkay, thanks, helps me understand their niche a bit better. And it seems like a fine niche too at that. Now I just have to make sure next time I want to use them the GM is okay with actually having them in setting, though I feel like there's a decent argument that you could, at the very least, have artifact guns as layovers from the first age or something even in a regular exalted game, even assuming they don't have the tech to manufacture normal guns. Because magic and spirits and all.

Not implausible. There's something like that included in Glories of the Most High, in fact: the prayer piece, which fires golden bullets painstakingly etched with prayers to the Unconquered Sun. Since this predates Shards, it uses Archery rather than Firearms, but if you want Firearms in your game then this is the kind of weapon you'd probably use it with. (Possibly firewands too, they've always been intended to be gunslinger-y.)

Endless Query

2013-11-02, 04:20 PM

Though, similar to the shotgun issue, I've always kind of heard that most firewand stuff isn't... Very good for a variety of reasons, is that not true?

Turalisj

2013-11-02, 04:50 PM

I don't see how shotgun stats even got past playtesting. They suck.

It's still hilarious to hit someone with a shotgun slug to do bashing damage.

"I kneecapped him.... and did bashing damage"

Yuki Akuma

2013-11-02, 05:54 PM

Not implausible. There's something like that included in Glories of the Most High, in fact: the prayer piece, which fires golden bullets painstakingly etched with prayers to the Unconquered Sun. Since this predates Shards, it uses Archery rather than Firearms, but if you want Firearms in your game then this is the kind of weapon you'd probably use it with. (Possibly firewands too, they've always been intended to be gunslinger-y.)

I imagine that, in a world with both Archery and Firearms, stuff like flame pieces and prayer pieces would act like some MA weapons and let you use either ability.

Lochar

2013-11-02, 07:33 PM

So, I've had a really hilarious thought for a game fusion with Exalted.

Paranoia Exalted. Friend Autocthon wants you to root out all the commie mutants(Alchemicals) in Autochtonia! The players are Alchemicals under the Integrated Artifact Transmogrifier, of course.

The_Snark

2013-11-02, 07:39 PM

Though, similar to the shotgun issue, I've always kind of heard that most firewand stuff isn't... Very good for a variety of reasons, is that not true?

I've never tried to make a character who uses one, but I've heard they're more trouble than they're worth too. Stats look okay, but they need to reload frequently, the ammunition can be difficult to come by, and their range is pretty awful. (Also, I don't think the artifact versions have been upgraded to 2.5, which may or may not be a problem.)

Exthalion

2013-11-02, 09:55 PM

I've never tried to make a character who uses one, but I've heard they're more trouble than they're worth too. Stats look okay, but they need to reload frequently, the ammunition can be difficult to come by, and their range is pretty awful. (Also, I don't think the artifact versions have been upgraded to 2.5, which may or may not be a problem.)

A Solar can his the Threshold from Mount Meru with one, but that isn't really an argument in their favor.

Rikandur Azebol

2013-11-03, 09:19 AM

Lochar, isn't it normal in Soviet Russia Autochtonia ? But instead of commies you have Voidbringers. :smallwink:

And there is one advantage of bows vs guns stuff. Artifact or not. If you shot your future meal with bow, you can re-use arrow. Not so with gun.

Prayer Piece from Glories, shots Artifact 1 bullets. Each have to be painstakingly crafted. No use outside of Solar who have crew ready to just sit and craft him or her these bullets. All the time.

For five dot artifact, Daiklave of Conquest is better I think. Or some huge Essence weapon meant to pulverize landscapes.

Endless Query

2013-11-03, 11:54 AM

To be fair, given that each bullet can be made of any metal (Even if gold is traditional), and takes only, what, 5 hours at base to create, anyone who actually has both Dex and Craft (Air) could pretty easily manage one a day or so on the road, or, like 15-30 if they've got Craftsman Need No Tools for the speed bonus. My bigger problem with the Prayer Piece is the fact that it always takes essence to fire just to deal 10L damage with range 50 (Though I guess you could only use it against creatures of darkness for the 10A base damage). That's a lot of trouble for only middling results, especially since I haven't seen a Scroll of Errata update (Though I might just have missed it) giving it Overwhelming or anything so that also has the side effect of making it even more undervalued when compared to your other gun options I think.

VeliciaL

2013-11-03, 03:19 PM

That actually sounds like a neat basis for a Lone Ranger style character...

Endless Query

2013-11-05, 12:38 PM

This is probably one of the loonier questions, but one of my friends picked up Pangya recently, and the question came up: With all the strange and diverse weapons and techniques in Exalted, is there, or could there be without a bunch of custom rules, a golfing combat style? Or something close enough that making it one would just be a palette swap?

On a more serious note, how do people feel about the "Arms of the Unconquered Sun" style from Glories of the Most High? It seems... Really weird, and kinda of underpowered. I'm not sure the capstone is worth it, for all that it's cool, but the rest of it seems like it could be neat, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of... Damage added for an unarmed style, I feel like even if you really wanted to use it, any time someone in heavier artifact armor showed up you'd just ping off their hardness forever without some serious support from melee charms or completely different martial arts, which seems... Well sort of like maybe you should have just run melee or a different martial art at that point. Is there something I'm missing?

TheCountAlucard

2013-11-08, 12:31 PM

Bad news, guys - (http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/5949-john-mørke-needs-help) John Mørke's still having medical troubles. :frown:

Weimann

2013-11-08, 12:37 PM

The good news this time is that we can help out with the money part. At least that way, he can get that off his chest and get the treatment he needs, not just the one he can afford.

And, as expected, we have already demolished the goal.

Kyeudo

2013-11-08, 01:43 PM

And, as expected, we have already demolished the goal.

The Kickstarter funded in the same time. This piddly bill? Never stood a chance. Still have to chip in my bit when I get home and I'm sure there are more out there who still haven't heard.

Mono Vertigo

2013-11-08, 05:55 PM

Endless Query

2013-11-08, 06:22 PM

There is that one Lunar Charm that makes one thing super desirable for everyone you're showing it to. Dunno if that works on the internet, though.

Exthalion

2013-11-08, 06:30 PM

Wouldn't it just be a flat written Social Attack?

Lord Raziere

2013-11-08, 07:04 PM

... I felt bad for not being able to contribute, but then everyone went and exploded the goal before I even learnt of it. And that was a few hours ago.
Whoa. Whoa.
And now, I kind of feel there needs to be a Charm for that sort of phenomenon.

Like...uh... Money-Raising Method? a Solar charm that makes people sympathetic to your cause and makes them donate money to you at warp-speed?

Mono Vertigo

2013-11-09, 04:12 AM

Wouldn't it just be a flat written Social Attack?
Maybe. Never played Exalted, so I'm never entirely sure of what should be a Charm, what should be Sorcery, and what is already covered by the rest of the system.

Like...uh... Money-Raising Method? a Solar charm that makes people sympathetic to your cause and makes them donate money to you at warp-speed?
Warp speed, so you retroactively get the money before you actually ask! Yes!
On second thought, that should instead be a Sidereal Charm. Or a Getimian one?

Lord Raziere

2013-11-09, 04:43 AM

Warp speed, so you retroactively get the money before you actually ask! Yes!
On second thought, that should instead be a Sidereal Charm. Or a Getimian one?

No, Sidereal would be Retroactive Charity Blossom and would only work by retroactively making you look like a beggar, exerting unnatural social effect on them to give you money, which becomes stronger and harder to resist the more compassion you have, and would only work upon everyone who directly sees you.
either that, or they would need to play a fiddle while having an open case in front of them while the charm takes effect.

Money-Raising Method is a longer more wide-ranging charm that causes money to be raised very fast through any written or social attack, making them drop everything to give you some money then return to their lives.

Endless Query

2013-11-09, 06:44 AM

The_Snark

2013-11-09, 07:42 AM

Actually, Sidereals still have that: Easily Accepted Proposition Stance, the capstone of the Presence tree, wherein you convince the world that something should happen, and the world contrives to make it so. You want to be rich? A distant relative you'd never even heard of before died and left you a mountain of silver in his will! Or you tripped over an untapped vein of pure jade while out on your morning walk. Something like that.

There are other applications, of course. Many, many other applications. It is, I think, a serious contender for the title of most versatile Charm ever.

Sanguine

2013-11-09, 10:36 AM

The Sidereals USED to have a form of Astrology that would cause their own Fate to coincide with that of immense amount of unclaimed riches, but the rampant abuse, and the raw improbability of the act in general, was causing so many snarls in the web of fate its practice was sealed.

Why would Sidereals abuse that when they make so much money they risk tanking Creation-based economies if they use their full wealth outside Heaven?

Yuki Akuma

2013-11-09, 10:39 AM

Why would Sidereals abuse that when they make so much money they risk tanking Creation-based economies if they use their full wealth outside Heaven?

Because Sidereals aren't paid in money. They're paid in magical materials that can be turned into money. So spending it causes inflation.

Meanwhile, using magic to gain money that already exists doesn't cause inflation when they spend it.

Kyeudo

2013-11-09, 10:39 AM

Why would Sidereals abuse that when they make so much money they risk tanking Creation-based economies if they use their full wealth outside Heaven?

For some people, it's never enough.

Endless Query

2013-11-09, 06:58 PM

Exthalion

2013-11-09, 07:03 PM

Mnh, question! Within Graceful and Wicked Masques, there are rules for making equipment out of Gossamer (Or, using the Scroll of Errata, enchanting it with gossamer), but there's not really much of a description of what gossamer actually looks like anywhere (thought perhaps that makes sense, since it is like "concentrated dreams" or whatever, so maybe it doesn't have any set appearance?) are there any guidelines about what equipment made out of/enchanted with gossamer should look like, or should it more be anything thematic, working with some sort of elegance/crystals/dreams/etc. guideline?

There are no specific guidelines, but it can look like anything and needn't appear to have a relationship to what it actually does. A sword could look like a branch, or a scarf, or a musical instrument. Generally, made of glass is an aesthetic demons already have a foot in.

HerrTenko

2013-11-09, 09:23 PM

Generally, made of glass is an aesthetic demons already have a foot in.

As well as people from Chiaroscuro. There is nothing wrong with having a bit of overlap with weapon aethetics, especially considering "it's made of glass" is a very general statement that still allow for very diverse looks and designs.

I'll always remember a piece of glasswork my aunt owns. It is a vase that contains a bunch of wheat stems, with the grain still on, and those long, thin, fragile sort of "hair" you find on wild wheat when it's still growing. The entire thing, made out of glass, has always kind of mesmerised me, as I tried to imagine how one manages to create something so delicate out of such a fragile material.

This kind of aesthetic is one I would attribute to Fae weapons, not Chiaroscuran glass or the craft of demonic smiths.

Sith_Happens

2013-11-09, 10:19 PM

Meanwhile, using magic to gain money that already exists doesn't cause inflation when they spend it.

Only as long as that money doesn't end up in a bank. It's not just minting more cash that causes inflation.

Mewtarthio

2013-11-10, 12:25 AM

Which is why the Sidereal should also decouple the fate of his newly-acquired wealth from the fate of the economy. Problem solved!

Lord Raziere

2013-11-10, 12:41 AM

As well as people from Chiaroscuro. There is nothing wrong with having a bit of overlap with weapon aethetics, especially considering "it's made of glass" is a very general statement that still allow for very diverse looks and designs.

I'll always remember a piece of glasswork my aunt owns. It is a vase that contains a bunch of wheat stems, with the grain still on, and those long, thin, fragile sort of "hair" you find on wild wheat when it's still growing. The entire thing, made out of glass, has always kind of mesmerised me, as I tried to imagine how one manages to create something so delicate out of such a fragile material.

yea, glass is a very strange but beautiful artistic medium, look, there is even some swords, made entirely out of glass:

http://www.glassblowingart.com/Glass-Art-Gallery/Glass-Sword.jpg
http://image0-rubylane.s3.amazonaws.com/shops/1unique1/RL926.5L.jpg?94
http://www.jewelrywarehouse.com/assets/images/jumbos/D7585_lg.jpg
http://www.glassblowingart.com/Glass-Art-Gallery/Glass-Sword-2.jpg
http://mikemonaco.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/glasssword.jpg

I like how there is good daiklave ideas just a google image search away.

Yuki Akuma

2013-11-10, 07:17 AM

Which is why the Sidereal should also decouple the fate of his newly-acquired wealth from the fate of the economy. Problem solved!

This would actually completely go against the very purpose of the economy (which is to stabilise Creation by moving a lot of jade and people around constantly).

Of course the Order Confirming Trade Pattern is already irretrievably broken by now, but eh.

TheCountAlucard

2013-11-10, 09:20 AM

Endless Query

2013-11-10, 10:22 AM

Well, speaking of fae stuff, I was looking over their stats and what have you, and was curious, if you have, say, a Fey Noble with a base strength of 7, they have Glorious Heroic Form, giving them a strength of 8, and then, say, you give them the charm that lets them put on mutations and give yourself the ability to grow GIANT in the middle of combat, sort of a fae answer to battle form... What happens to your strength? Does it roll over to 11? Or is the 10 a hardcap even with mutations and stuff? I mean, I know mutations count as "dice from charms" when going against those caps, so are they free to roll over? And, if, say, the fae in question only has Essence 2... Can he only get +2 Strength from Giant, since his dice cap is +2? Or is it just that he couldn't add dice to strength rolls with any charms because +3 is over his cap?

Qwertystop

2013-11-10, 10:46 AM

Gossamer items can also be made of really improbable stuff, yet still function normally. I had a paired set of Fae artifacts for one game, an anvil and a hammer; the hammer, when used to beat material on an anvil, would forge the material into a gossamer sword; the anvil, when material was placed on it and hammered, would forge the material into gossamer armor.

As a result, it was very easy to outfit troops with armor and weapons made from, say, fallen autumn leaves, water, candy, or even hair, and still have quality equipment.

So what happens if you use them together? The hammer on a normal anvil makes swords, the anvil with a normal hammer makes armor... do you just get lots of spikes on the armor? Or a sheild-sword thing like this (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111013122220/xenoblade/images/4/44/Reyn.png)?

Recaiden

2013-11-10, 11:12 AM

Endless Query

2013-11-10, 12:29 PM

Well that could get... Pretty crazy. Intersting. Thanks for the clarification.

TheCountAlucard

2013-11-10, 03:36 PM

So what happens if you use them together? The hammer on a normal anvil makes swords, the anvil with a normal hammer makes armor... do you just get lots of spikes on the armor? Or a sheild-sword thing like this?"Here is an impenetrable shield, and a sword that will penetrate any armor! Try not to get it too close to the shield - not sure which one 'beats' the other!" :smalltongue:

More seriously, it was my intention that using them together made armor and weapons. :smallsmile:

Yuki Akuma

2013-11-10, 03:37 PM

"Here is an impenetrable shield, and a sword that will penetrate any armor! Try not to get it too close to the shield - not sure which one 'beats' the other!" :smalltongue:

This is Exalted. Defense wins. :smalltongue:

TheCountAlucard

2013-11-10, 03:57 PM

Maybe in 2e; IIRC, didn't the mechanics they teased us with indicate that, for 3e, the better stunt wins in the case of a tie?

Endless Query

2013-11-12, 08:48 PM

Since questions are my thing, I got another one! What Terrestrial Martial Arts are good in a non-super-wonky sort of way? I've heard Even Blade Style, especially towards the capstone, is aberrantly good, yet also has a number of weak charms and general wonkiness. Any of them that are just generally decent/reliable without having that particular sort of flaw? Having read through a number recently, most of them seem... Pretty bad.

Lord Raziere

2013-11-12, 08:53 PM

oh no, you discovered Scroll of the Monk.

sir, please close the Scroll and walk away. there is nothing good in it.

martial arts in general, are borked. just stick to the Exalted charms...

Endless Query

2013-11-12, 09:02 PM

Haha, ah, but I fear some of the Fey stuff I've been dealing with doesn't have access to a lot of great direct combat charms (as far as I can tell, I mean, really, their multiple action charm is just 2 attacks) but CAN get Terrestrial Martial Arts, so I'm somewhat obliged if I want to design a more personal fey adversary that can just throw down in creation if it comes to that, rather than pulling giant army shenanigans or whatever, as far as I can tell.

So I guess if all Martial Arts are an utter mess, if my original query has no good answer, what's the general guidelines for making a Fey into a melee beast? Also, is it considered in poor taste/illegal to use the "Get any Mutation" Charm to get Material Resonance so they can get the effects of the magical materials on weapons they attune?