League of Legends LIII: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Clash of Pings

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League of Legends LIII: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Clash of Pings



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BR Server Huehuehuehuehuehue
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Draken|Draken Frosthand
[/table]

NA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name

0tt3r | 0tt3r
9mm | cwcriner
Adumbration | Benefice
aethernox | joyless
Alemil | Alemil
Alter | AlterForm
Anarion | Anarion55
Anonomuss | OpticalSage
Antonok | Antonok
Arbitrarity | Arbitrarity
ArcanistSupreme | Arcanist Supreme
Archangel Yuki | Yocham
Artanis | LegacyCWAL
assassin89 | nineballcirno
Astrella | Sirroelivan
AtwasAwamps | AtwasAwamps
Aurenthal | Estor
Averis Vol | AverisVol
Baron Corm | Baron Corm
Baxter | Thefettered
BinaryMage | BinaryMage
Bliss Authority | Companion N00b
Blueiji | Blueiji
BobVosh | BobVosh -or- VoshBob
Bookboy | Keledrath
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Caradryan | Ying Quliang
CarpeGuitarrem | CarpeGuitarrem
Castleraven | Castleraven
cdstephens | cdstephens
Chess435 | Chess435
Copacetic | Azbu
Creed | Moarzed
CrnvorousMeece | CarnivorousMeece
Croverus | Croverus
Cute_Riolu | Cute Riolu
Dallas-Dakota | MustacheMan
Dante & Vergil | Raphiezar
Darius Macab | Hawkfrost000
Darth Mario | Darth Mario
Daverin | Daverin
Demotivated | Demotivated
Dentrag2 | Callinectes
dgnslyr | GANKERLagann
Dichotomy | Kaellin
Dire Ferret | Guvna Kit Kit
Djinn in Tonic | The Djinn
Dogmantra | Dogmantra
Don Julio Anejo | Don Julio Anejo
douglas | DouglasM
Doxkid | Doxkid
Dragonus45 | Dragonus45
Drager0 | Drager0
Dragor | Supernaturalist
Draken | Draken Frosthand
DrakeRaids | DrakeRaids057
Dralnu | TomerIsHot
dukexx | JacksonHicks
Duos | DapperGuy
Dusk Eclipse | DuskSoul
efdf | efdf
EifieFlare | EifieFlare
Elagune | Chopstyx
Eldariel | Elealar
EndlessWrath | Andurin
Epicfaillol | Ether Master
Errandir | Ramses III
EternalMelon | EternalMelon
faith | Ferrovax101
FantomFang | FantomFang
Farix | Jiin in Tin
Faulty | FaultyClockwork
Fawkes | Count Fawkes
FeverFox | Alcopop
Flagpole | Flagpole
Flarowon | Kruin Avabruc
Flechair | Master Zealot
FleshrakerAbuse | Archdruid21
Folytopo | Folytopo
Forrestfire | Forrestfire15
Frankelshtein | McFinkelstein
Fredaintdead | Fredthefighter
Freudianship | LeiteaSalk
Gallus | Anechois
Geigan | Geigan
Giant Panda | Le Shirrif
gimliggamer | Wizard Warlock
Gizladlo | Gizladlo
glemis | glemis
Godskook | Bethor Kookalian
Gourtox | Gourtox
Gruffard | Gruffard
Grytorm
hamiltond465 | Duodecimus
Hanuman | HanumanXoO
Happy Gravity | Deimosaur
Hatevah | Hatevah
heronbpv|Sérpico
Holocron Coder | Holocron
Incomp | Incomp
InyutheBeatIs | Believe Inyu
Istari | IstariK
Ivellius | Ivellius
Jamin | CapZich
JKTrickster | ZenTrickster
Joran | Jorana
KaizoMK | KaizoMK
Kara Kuro | RaptorKitty
Kciemir | Ghostface Ki11ah
Kettle | Kettle747
king.com | kingcom
Kinslayer | HaunterReqiuem
Kirbot | Kirbot
kmchii | kmchii
knightMARE|Sir Wiffleston
Kopaka | Portent
Kotarus | Adrameleck
Kwazey | Kwazey
Lansky | Blurbie
Laudandus | Laudandus
LegoShrimp | LegoShrimp
LightWraith | TheLightWraith
Lil Shiro | Mizz Mitchell
litewarior | litewarior
Lonely Tylenol | If I Had a Hifi
Lord Generic | Lord Generic
LordShotGun | LordShotGun
LostEnder | LostEnder
Low-Key | TheFuzziestBear
Lunix Vandal|Lunix Vandal
lvl 1 sharnian | StarryEagle
Lyxie | Lyxie
Maeglin_Dubh | Tycho Velius
Makensha | Jarbis
MammonAzrael | MammonAzrael
Manticoran | Manticoran
Maryring | Skilvrel
MasatoHyuga | MasatoHyuga
Master_Rahl22 | Goltoth
master256 | QWERTYSTOP
Math_Mage | Mathmage
Mattarias, King. | Mattarias
Malmagor Andrigal | Madmal
Maxios | Maxios20
McCerberus | MCerberus
McDougal | McDouggal
Meatshield#236 | Meatshield236
Merellis | Merellis
Mike_the_Mystic | Kraemer
Milskidasith | Milskidasith
Mindfreak586 | Mindfreak586
Mirrinus | Parallaxal
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
Moklok | KokoBWare
Mr. Mud | Proposal
mrcarter11 | Mrcarter11
mrzomby | mrzomby
Mtg_player_zach | MtgPlayerZach
Mushroom Ninja | Mushroom Ninja
Mutant Bunny | WhollySpart
Nadevoc | Xenik
Nanoblack | IwearSILLYhats
Nargan | Naryuk
Necroticplague | Yamidamian
Neoseanster | Neoseanster
NeoVid | NeoVid
Nerocite | Nerocite
neXianXavia | neXianXavia
NoobForHire | NoobF0rHire
NotAEvilToaster | NeonPie
oblivion6 | warcrown10
Octopus Jack | Thalric
Olinser | Olinser
One Tin Soldier | beelzebubcbgptch
Otomodachi | Cyfarfod
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
Perkinz|Perkinz
PersonMan | Nsev
Pie Guy | Qwazes
pilvento | Kandrass
PhantomFox | PhantomFox7
PhoeKun | PhoeKun
Poison Fish | Baron Von Flib
Postmodernist | Postmodernist
Protecar | Godreig
Protecar | Atk
Psychotic | SquirrelFish
Qaera | Qaera
ragingrage | ragingrage
Raistlin1040 | Sanevale
Rama | Nargus
Raroy | setokaibasmt
RationalGoblin | AtillathePun
Raven444 | Iskandarl
Reinboom| Riot Reinboom
Raveypoos | Rhaviewoos
recklessabaddon | recklessabaddon
revolver kobold | A Magic Kobold
Reynard | Duke Reynington
Sallera | Sallera
Saveducks | ElGrandisimo
Serpentine | Lady Serpentine
Shades of Gray | PierreAbelard
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker65
Shadowleaf | Shadowdancing
Shadow Lord | ShadowLordgiantitp
Shadowy | DJPON3Vinyl
ShortOne | LittlePoppy
SidCoolios | Irazel
Silverraptor | Silverraptor
Siosilvar | Siosilvar
Sircarp | Sircarp
SirSigfried | LibertarianSDR
Slash_712 | Catfud
sofawall | sofawall
sonofzeal | sonofzeal
St. Viers | St.Viers
Starfols | Starfols
Starswords | Starswords
SuperPanda | Lokilar
TalonDemonKing | TalonDemonKing
TechnOkami | TechnOkami
Temotei | Temotei221
Terazul | Allegretto
term1nally s1ck | silverdevilboy
tesla_pasta | generictownsman
TheAmishPirate | TheAmishPirate
Thanatos 51-50 | Thanatos Erebus
The_Ditto | Ditto11
The_Fiery_Tower | TFT Supports
TheGlowingRogue | I Glow In Dark
Themage | SirPelletheGreat
Thethan | Thethan
The Hellbug | hellbug22
The Rabbler | Paco H Jones
The Shadowmind | The Shadowmind
The Valiant Turtle | Valiant Turtle
Thrantar | Thrantar
Thrawn183 | Thrawnyboy
throtecutter | throtecutter
toasty | toastymow
Thomas Cadrew | DecadentPheonix
Tono | Tono Chou
Treayn | Treayn
tribble | Smallbluedot
Tychris1 | Tychris1
u-gotNOgame | UGNG -or- Sirius Amory
userpay | userpay
Vauron | Vauron
Volatar | The Volatar
Vwulf DeMarcus | NinjaXeq
wandiya | wandiya
Wolf_Haley | Jon Talbain
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Winthur | Seyruun
WyvernLord | WyvernThornKing
woodzyowl | Woodzyowl
XaioTie | Tiefernan
Zabbarot | Zabbarot
Zeful | Zeful
ZeltArruin | ZeltArruin
Zemro | Shivic
ZeroNumerous | ZeroNumerous
Zeteni | Zeteni
Zinc | El Jaun Zinco
zmasterofjersey | GhosTazer
zolga | TheZolga[/table]

EU Server--West
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Acromos | Crannoch
Adumbration | Adumbration
Anonomuss | Anonomuss
Azimov | Sidhe de Athame
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Cheers | Sam vds
Cyborg Mage | Cyborg Mage98
Eldariel | Elealar
Even Human | SlyGuyMcFly
Gauntlet | Isva
HalfDragonCube | giantmudkip
Krazzman | Viskerin
Maryring | Skilvrel
Maxymiuk | Maxymiuk
Mc. Lovin | B1GB1RDB4G3L
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
monkeyboyinc | monkeyboyinc
Morph Bark | Morpheus Bob
Nargan | Naryuk
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
PersonMan | Scarge
Reb46 | Reb46
Reynard | Duke Reyn
Runhidesurvive | Jmack10
Saph | StarSaph
Socratov | Mbutu
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker64
Talesin | Fridgecake
term1nally s1ck | Silverdevilboy
That'd_be_me | AntiLocke
TheGeckoKing | Alpharis Omega
Volatar | VolatarUK
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Ziren | Zirenoid
zolga | MasterZolga[/table]

EU Server--Nordic & East
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Dada | Scrattlebeard
darksolitaire | Darksolitaire
Posca | LDRC
Rockbird | Rockbird
Werekat | Werekat[/table]

EU Server--Unspecified
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Abakus | Terpfen
Alemil | Alemil
Ayra | Ayramatao
Darwin | DarwinBeGood
Endoperez | Endoperez
Heliomance | Sidhe de Grian
Kurrel | GrinningOni
littlebottom | Littlebottom
lord_khaine | Lord_khaine
Narazil | Narazil
Narkis | Narkis
Penthar | Malderon
Raviepoos | Skittles Unicorn
Shadowleaf | AncientPharma
Voidhawk | Sidhe ne Awk
Zefir | Einerwie
Zombywoof | Zombywoof[/table]

SEA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
abadguy | Smite Thy Enemy[/table]

Oceanic Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Red Rubber Band|HeWhoIsJohn
[/table]

MUMBLE
Download here! (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/)
Our main means of communication is a mumble server, playing host to a variety of games, including LoL. We're quite a tight knit community, get to know us! Hanging about is a good way to find a game, and if you don't fancy playing something there's always a good chance of a friendly chat. Contact Djinn_in_Tonic via PM if you have a question or want to donate money to keep the server running.
Address: fish.mumbleboxes.com
Port: 36003

Admins: Djinn_in_Tonic (Djinn); Darth Mario; ShortOne (LittlePoppy, Raven); Dogmantra; Nano (Nanoceraptor).

STREAMS
Some of us run streams. You can watch them here.
Legoshrimp (http://www.twitch.tv/legoshrimp)
McDouggal (http://www.twitch.tv/McDouggal)
Silverraptor (http://www.livestream.com/silverrapter?t=527242)
The Fiery Tower (http://www.twitch.tv/the_fiery_tower)


GUIDES & CHAMPION OVERVIEWS
Sometimes people write guides and post them in this thread. Other times pro players write guides that people then post in this thread. They often end up here.
Champion Introductions:
Thanks to Eldariel, Playgrounders in Thread XLV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003) wrote blurbs to introduce players to their favorite champions. Yay.
Ahri (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14981225&postcount=520) by SlyGuyMcFly
Alistar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15079170&postcount=297) by Joran
Amumu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14991206&postcount=727) by Ivellius
Anivia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971268&postcount=332) by Eldariel
Annie (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972307&postcount=366) by endoperez
Caitlyn (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973242&postcount=375) by McDougal
Cho'Gath (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973137&postcount=374) by Happy Gravity
Janna (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976717&postcount=424) by Winthur
Fizz (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971765&postcount=345) by PersonMan
Hecarim (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973331&postcount=377) by Arbitrarity
Irelia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14980231&postcount=502) by aethernox
Kennen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973033&postcount=372) by Anarion
LeBlanc (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15049895&postcount=15) by Miscast_Mage
Lulu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975266&postcount=413) by Kris on a Stick
Nasus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971542&postcount=340) by TheShrike
Nocturne (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15057985&postcount=97) by Darius Macab
Olaf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972935&postcount=371) by dgnslyr
Rengar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14974241&postcount=387) by ChaosOS
Singed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976931&postcount=427) by QWERTSTOP
Skarner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14984458&postcount=591) by TechnOkami
Sona (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971676&postcount=344) by Forrestfire
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975078&postcount=409) by Math_Mage
Vi (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976557&postcount=423) by Pherinos
Zyra (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14982344&postcount=541) by The Fiery Tower

General Guides:
A General Guide to Support (http://tpesports.net/index.php?site=articles&action=show&articlesID=32), by Math Mage
Guide to General Common Jungler Set-Ups (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12409551&postcount=575), by Mtg_player_zach
Small Guide to Jungle Counterpicking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12379254&postcount=98), by Winthur
General Guide to AD Carries (http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9234)
Seizing the fourth digit: Playing your way out of Elo Hell. (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=341821) by Math_Mage
Faulty and Raistlin's Quick Build Database: Notes and Stuff (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10942497&postcount=1004) by Faulty and Raistlin
Turning Skill Into Elo: Solo Queue Mindset And Methodology (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1220673) by MathMage
How to be a Good Team Leader (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1374492) by Darth Mario

Specific Champion Guides:
Be warned. These guides are, by and large, outdated. Much of the information referenced in these guides has been made obsolete as a result of League's natural patch cycle and changes from Season to Season. If you're looking for information on a champion, you'll have better luck at SoloMid.net (http://solomid.net/guides.php?champ=&sort=2&display=4&x=98&y=9) or LolPro.com (http://LoLPro.com). Alternatively, ask the thread!
Riven 101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12579737&postcount=204), by Arbitrarity
Highly Artistic Blitzcrank guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12380155&postcount=115), by Dogmantra
Laser Bear Udyr (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9657101&postcount=39), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Rammus: Can't touch this (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=258919), by Math_Mage
Twitch (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board
[URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10267058&postcount=1448), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Jungle Akali (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10498621&postcount=1358) by Djinn
How to play everyone's favourite Lightning Squirrel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10518034&postcount=154) by Dogmantra
Lee Sin (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=636475) by Dralnu
Super Serious Rumble Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11052926&postcount=904) by Dogmantra
OH SNAP Morgana Can Jungle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11295698&postcount=1238) by Dogmantra
Anivia Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11514141&postcount=845) by Eldariel
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11938481&postcount=1029) by MathMage
CLASSY VIDEOS FOR CLASSY PEOPLE*
Watching these videos makes you a classier person. Fact.
Jungle Janna! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC6wm9iaNmM)
How to Win Every Game in League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsTE1vpoXM)
Panic at the Nexus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WlCbaLI3I)
Sunfire Cape Sunday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgjfX6crjrg)
Season One Trailer with Commentary (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/season-one-trailer-commentary)
D-Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHp4VJ47v0)
Insanity Mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGKN1Adzckk&feature=related)
(Truly, Truly) Outrageous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7S05vI-BU&feature=related)
I'm just a noob (Ryze Ryze Ryze again) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr1T-pgaZY&feature=related)
e.o.n Shen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs_cGUPQ3M&feature=related)
Vendrim-Ionia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3E2UQMe3k&hd=1)
Pwn ur FACE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9VSDt0EN4)
Your -Epic- Dreamhack comes true! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCs1CyBFLg)
Ezreal Custom Skin Spotlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-HoAPlg-c)
I Just Got Ganked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpNVN33fj4Y&feature=channel_video_title)
Keep Feeding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaR0frKc4a0)
Champion Rap Battles -- Brolaf vs. Gentleman Cho'Gath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ-r300BVFI)
Combinasion BOOM! League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzsXR4sM_Y)
All in the Cards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9d3342IXSs)
No One Ganks Like Garen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4uiTQsRJg)
Rammus Taunts Everyone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-8Q4PM4PXM)

COMICS AND PICS
It's like your eyes are getting a massage.LoL Comic (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=48169) by Elagune
Learn Your Alphabet (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6264/g28376.png) by Dogmantra and Pierreabelard (with a mention in Summoner Showcase #36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy7JWV-HA28&feature=feedu)!)
Chibi Champions (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=763895) by pika7
Gender Swaps (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=606416) by ShowMeYourMoves
Champion Flowchart Guides (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=608154) by Renekton Bot
Patch Day Comic (http://i.imgur.com/kHtwk.jpg) by DaemianFF
TRAVEL BACK IN TIME: PREVIOUS THREADS
Proof we're not all experiencing collective haullucinations.
League of Legends LII: Sin of the Blind Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302528)
League of Legends LI: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Game of Throws (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298396)
League of Legends L: Lucian's Lost Love's Luxurious Lantern Lodge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293376)
League of Legends XLIX: Why are there snowballs in a jungle? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289027)
League of Legends XLVIII: A Broken Spine is Just a Twist of Fate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15339231#post15339231)
League of Legends XLVII: Legend of Poro - Retcons on Ice (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282669)
League of Legends XLVI: Everybody now comes from Freljord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279408)
League of Legends XLV: They ruined the King AND his blade! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003)
League of Legends XLIV: *SQUAWK* Who's there? *SQUAWK* League of Legends XLIV who? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273412)
League of Legends XLIII: Now with 100% more Leagues. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270068)
League of Legends XLII: I Hope The New Champ Is Vi-able (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266201)
League of Legends XLI: Fish Are Friends, Not Food (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263722)
League of Legends XL: Season on Hold 'till Morello Gets Gold (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261213)
League of Legends XXXIX: Harrowing in the Playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14079780#post14079780)
League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13921041)
League of Legends XXXVII: Thread Name Delayed for Further Testing on PBE (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253343)
League of Legends XXXVI: Thread Now Invisible When You're Not Looking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250948)
League of Legends XXXV: Jayce, the Defender of Soon™ (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248760)
League of Legends XXXIV: No Exceptions (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246004)
League of Legends XXXIII: Game of Mundo (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13142848#post13142848)
League of Legends XXXII: Cupcakes and Kittens and Squirrels. Oh my! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237600)
League of Legends XXXI: I'll Start My Own Team! With TF And Janna! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234631)
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[Olinser]

Reposted.

Game 1 finished

CLEAR victory from SKT. That game was over when Faker got fed - Royal was stuck in a position of being forced into aggressive engages to try and get back, but SKT had so much disengage that Royal just couldn't get a clean fight.

And the longer they waited, the longer Impact split pushed, because nobody could 1v1 Jax when he got going.

[Artanis]

Well, I can officially say that Game 1 was significantly less disturbing than the latter parts of that concert.



Also, some more videos:

Dyrus Tutors Husky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heuBJQBwDWA)
Dyrus Tutors Husky, Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fTl476DuvQ)

[Nadevoc]

I'm actually really surprised that SKT took game one. Both because they tend to be likely to drop early games, and because the Chinese style is so aggressive I've felt like teams generally need a game or two to adjust to it.

I'm not great at strategic calls, as people who've played with me probably know, but there were some beautiful little plays in that game. It really showcased to me that these really are some of the best players in the world. Things like Faker flashing mid-Body Slam. Just little things like that which are so cool to watch.

[Forrestfire]

I was at least expecting Royal to do something with all that AoE. But man, Faker and Bengi... Wow...

Also... Hooray for my threadname being picked :smallbiggrin:

[Joran]

I'm actually really surprised that SKT took game one. Both because they tend to be likely to drop early games, and because the Chinese style is so aggressive I've felt like teams generally need a game or two to adjust to it.

I'm not great at strategic calls, as people who've played with me probably know, but there were some beautiful little plays in that game. It really showcased to me that these really are some of the best players in the world. Things like Faker flashing mid-Body Slam. Just little things like that which are so cool to watch.

Flashing mid-body slam and flashing mid-taunt are amazing plays by the pros. I'm also so amazed by their ability to juggle turret aggro.

[Artanis]

ZED GOT THROUGH? :smalleek:

[Nadevoc]

Flashing mid-body slam and flashing mid-taunt are amazing plays by the pros. I'm also so amazed by their ability to juggle turret aggro.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's just those little things that I love watching. And yeah, it's something that you'll sometimes see in solo queue games, but there were just so many of those little things, and that made it a great game for me to watch.

Also, Faker calling for a #thingsHotshotGGDoes? Man, that's gotta feel great for Hotshot.


ZED GOT THROUGH? :smalleek:

Oh, wow. That's HUGE. Royal clearly has something planned; Zed's been allowed through before, but the purple side pretty much always had a specific counter in mind.

Also, the stream you're watching is apparently ahead of mine :-P Only 3/6 bans were down when first read this post

[Artanis]

Oh, wow. That's HUGE. Royal clearly has something planned; Zed's been allowed through before, but the purple side pretty much always had a specific counter in mind.

Also, the stream you're watching is apparently ahead of mine :-P Only 3/6 bans were down when first read this post
I'm watching the stream on Twitch. As in Twitch itself, not the twitch option on the main LoL Esports site.

[Antonok]

Ok whats with the sudden influx of every liking red/purple side?

[ChaosOS]

Massive midgame power spike coming from Royal via Kass and Rumble, but I'm not sure how laning will go. Dragon will decide this game

[Nadevoc]

I'm watching the stream on Twitch. As in Twitch itself, not the twitch option on the main LoL Esports site.

Yeah, I figured. Twitch seems to be consistently about 30 seconds ahead of the other sources, but I'm watching through Azubu right now because Twitch seems more likely to have some stream issues, and I'd hate to have any issues in the middle of these games.

Kassadin last picked by Royal? I did NOT expect that.

[Forrestfire]

:smalleek::smalleek::smallamused:

This will be fun to watch.

On another note, I miss this music from last year's championship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB0sUSo6YfY). And yes Nine, I totally stole your sentiments once you pointed them out ;p

Ah well, it's my champion select background music now, so at least there's that.

[Nadevoc]

Ok whats with the sudden influx of every liking red/purple side?

Purple side has two advantages:

1) Last pick. You can guarantee a counterpick in any lane you want, and set up for a questionable pick because you'll know the entire enemy team before you have to lock in the questionable pick

2) In some cases, first pick is outshadowed by second and third pick. If there are enough really important champs, you can snag two "OP" champs in trade for only one, which can be pretty big.


I'm pretty sure that in this case, it's #1. EU's meta has actually preferred purple side for awhile, from my understanding, because it's so mid-centric. I think that's the case here: you last pick your mid, so you guarantee you like that match-up.

[ChaosOS]

I don't even know this game

That song is called Silver Scrapes

[Forrestfire]

I know, but I was lazy and posted the link to the loop because I'm listening to it right now :smalltongue:

[ChaosOS]

Giving up dragon is incredibly dangerous like that, I'm not optimistic for Royal this game

EDIT: Dat turnaround

[Antonok]

Ouch. Just got that Kass fed

[Farix]

Yeah, I figured. Twitch seems to be consistently about 30 seconds ahead of the other sources, but I'm watching through Azubu right now because Twitch seems more likely to have some stream issues, and I'd hate to have any issues in the middle of these games.


Thanks for the heads up about using Azubu, was getting some pretty bad choppyness on Twitch.

Dat Ace.

[Forrestfire]

EDIT: Dat turnaround

I guess we'll see if it is :smalltongue:

EDIT: Just might be. That pick on Faker. :smalleek:

[Nadevoc]

Thanks for the heads up about using Azubu, was getting some pretty bad choppyness on Twitch.

YouTube has also generally been extremely reliable for me.

Twitch is by no means bad, but on some of the really big matches like this that just get massive numbers of viewers, Twitch just doesn't seem to be able to consistently handle it.

Royal finally seeming to get their footing, which is nice to see. It was amazing to see SKT outaggress them early, but I'd love to see them on equal footing as much as possible.

[ChaosOS]

League of Legends LIV: Game of throws. You win, and then you lose

EDIT: Doubly true
EDIT 2: Quadruply true

[Forrestfire]

"Something something replay going to show AND we don't have time to show you because Faker is being Zed."

[Godskook]

Glass cannon Kassadin seems like an exceedingly bad idea against Zed, strategy-wise

[Forrestfire]

Aaaaaand Scumbag Bengi takes the penta! :smallamused:

[Olinser]

Glass cannon Kassadin seems like an exceedingly bad idea against Zed, strategy-wise

Kassadin against Zed is a pretty bad idea in general.

Scratch that, ANYTHING against Faker Zed is a bad idea.

[Anarion]

scumbag bengi ruining the pentakill.

But holy hell Piglet showing how to carry and playing like a god that game.

[Artanis]

Wow, Piglet was amazing that game. "What's that? You've wiped out my team and/or dropped me into the red? YOU WILL ALL DIE ANYWAYS!"

[Farix]

Cmon Royal, we want a game 5!

Yeah so being the new guy, I now see why Zed was banned out all tourney.

#ScumbagBengi

[ex cathedra]

piglet is always a god. he's the most consistent player that i've ever seen.

[ChaosOS]

Zed did some work, but that game was 90% piglett

[Olinser]

piglet is always a god. he's the most consistent player that i've ever seen.

I have to agree.

Faker gets all the hype and glory, but Piglet is a monster as well.

[Forrestfire]

I was under the impression that all of them are monsters. :smalleek:

[Postmodernist]

Game 2 was definitely far more exciting than Game 1. That Ace by Royal had me wondering whether SKT's tower momentum was going to be stopped, but ultimately they had no answer for the Jax split push. Piglet's phenomenally daring play was simply icing on the cake.

[NineThePuma]

Am I the only one who is all like holy ****ing crap, I missed it, let me watch it.

[Forrestfire]

I mean, Faker being Zed at Kassadin is cool and all, but I want to know what was so important to deserve a replay :smallfrown:

[Postmodernist]

Looking at these first two games, I feel like they're one in champion select more than anything else. Thoughts?

[mrcarter11]

I feel that all of SKT1 is really good. But their jungler keeps getting over looked. Bengi is playing really well. And getting his core lanes ahead.

[Postmodernist]

I feel that all of SKT1 is really good. But their jungler keeps getting over looked. Bengi is playing really well. And getting his core lanes ahead.

He made a huge difference game 1, for sure.

[Olinser]

Looking at these first two games, I feel like they're one in champion select more than anything else. Thoughts?

I don't think the first game was. I thought SKT had a bit stronger comp, but Royal's comp was fine.

The problem was Royal's comp was a hard initiate comp, and SKT had a LOT of disengage. If Royal had gotten ahead they would have snowballed. However, SKT being ahead, with that huge disengage on all champs just let them pick fights on their terms. Royal's comp was not a good comp for being behind.

The second game, yeah, Royal lost that one in the pick/ban phase.

[Postmodernist]

The Vi ban?!? Why?

[Olinser]

The Vi ban?!? Why?

Vi has been banned all 3 games. She is very strong the way these teams play right now - her ult makes any gank almost a guarantee, and is very strong in team fights.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Noooooo! I wanted to see Tristana in the finals! :smallfrown:

[Postmodernist]

But Royal essentially gives up a lane every time they ban her...

[Farix]

Aww, no Tristana Artanis.

[Math_Mage]

Vi has been banned all 3 games. She is very strong the way these teams play right now - her ult makes any gank almost a guarantee, and is very strong in team fights.
Still, using a ban to get Bengi on Jarvan/Lee instead of to get, say, Impact off of Jax? Seems like a mistake.

[Olinser]

Team comps are in for game 3

I can't help but notice that SKT's team is almost EXACTLY the team they had for game 1 - with the only change being Zyra rather than Thresh.

I just think Royal still don't have an answer for that Jax. Kennan is decent, but Jax will simply become that monster splitpusher again and I don't think Godlike can handle him.

[Artanis]

Aww, no Tristana Artanis.
I really had my hopes up for a moment there :smallfrown:

[Postmodernist]

Still, using a ban to get Bengi on Jarvan and Lee instead of to get, say, Impact off of Jax? Seems like a mistake.

Precisely my point. Couldn't agree more.

[Farix]

I really had my hopes up for a moment there :smallfrown:

I know the feeling, was hoping to get to see an AP Nidalee there.

[Forrestfire]

Facechecking the lane bush? Really? :smallfrown:

Personally, I was hoping or Faker to play AP trist :smalltongue:

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

What the HECK was Kennen THINKING? :smallconfused:

I mean...manaless bush checking ability. Why NOT use it?

[Postmodernist]

What the HECK was Kennen THINKING? :smallconfused:

I mean...manaless bush checking ability. Why NOT use it?

Speaking to this, Godlike hasn't been playing very well, and has had weird picks with Rumble and Malphite.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Speaking to this, Godlike hasn't been playing very well, and has had weird picks with Rumble and Malphite.

Seems that way. This top lane is depressing to watch.

[Postmodernist]

Seems that way. This top lane is depressing to watch.

Agreed. Whytez has been faring well against Faker, though.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

This is very disappointing. I was really, really hoping for a close final, but this...man. Royal just can't seem to do anything.

[Forrestfire]

THAT DIVE!

Wow. Just wow. PoohManDu played it perfectly :smalleek:

[Postmodernist]

!WOW! Overdive! Impact just saved that, and probably put it into GG right there.

[ChaosOS]

yeah surprisingly poor show by Royal. Variety of issues, plus SKT playing out of their minds makes for a disappointing series

[Olinser]

THAT DIVE!

Wow. Just wow. PoohManDu played it perfectly :smalleek:

That abortion of a dive is probably it for Royal.

[Postmodernist]

Piglet is a beast. Wow.

[Forrestfire]

Poor Godlike. This game has been a trainwreck for him.

[Postmodernist]

Poor Godlike. This game has been a trainwreck for him.

The whole series has, frankly.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

"Royal is making some questionable decisions"

No, Mr. Shoutcaster. That's inaccurate. Royal is making terrible decisions that I know Bronze players who wouldn't make. I know Royal actually has pretty damn good players (obviously...it's finals and all), but...WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEIR ABILITY TO PLAY?!?

[Olinser]

Game 3 end

Wow. Just.... wow.

Godlike pretty much single-handedly lost that game.

[Forrestfire]

This was... I don't even have words to describe how stompy it was.:smallbiggrin:

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Well...that was depressing and rather anti-climatic. :smallfrown:

[Postmodernist]

SKT just rolled through that series. Well done. They deserve it, though it's a shame Royal didn't make a stronger showing.

[Artanis]

I think that Game 3 could be summed up with the words, "Tutorial Mode".

[Farix]

Congrats SKT T1, that was a thoroughly one-sided Finals.

[Nadevoc]

Wow. I mean... wow.

I did NOT expect a 3-0. SKT came out so strong in game one and just kept going. Game one was great, and then Royal just seemed to start coming apart.

[PhantomFox]

An incredibly dominating performance. I am impressed! MVP goes to Piglet, hands down. The snipes, man, the snipes!

[Duos]

That was a disgusting final. :smallsigh: All the interesting teams vanished when C9 and Fnatic got chumped out; most of the group stage games were more interesting than those games were.

[Joran]

yeah surprisingly poor show by Royal. Variety of issues, plus SKT playing out of their minds makes for a disappointing series

Yup, Royal was completely outpicked all three games. They had no answer for Jax other than Renekton and I have no idea why they didn't just ban him.

[Postmodernist]

Yup, Royal was completely outpicked all three games. They had no answer for Jax other than Renekton and I have no idea why they didn't just ban him.

They were too busy banning Vi for mysterious reasons.

[mrcarter11]

That was a disgusting final. :smallsigh: All the interesting teams vanished when C9 and Fnatic got chumped out; most of the group stage games were more interesting than those games were.

Dafaq?
I rarely speak in not real English, but seriously dude? C9 played three games, one once, and it wasn't a great showing by any means. Fnatic got outplayed and demolished. The finals sucked yeah, but SKT9 pretty much ran this entire tournament.

[Joran]

Dafaq?
I rarely speak in not real English, but seriously dude? C9 played three games, one once, and it wasn't a great showing by any means. Fnatic got outplayed and demolished. The finals sucked yeah, but SKT9 pretty much ran this entire tournament.

I would have paid good money to see a 4 team tournament of Cloud 9, Fnatic, OMG, and Najin Black Sword.

Both OMG and Najin Black Sword were knocked out by fellow country teams (and OMG split with SKTT1), so we have no idea how good they are compared to other non-regional teams.

Also, I wouldn't classify Fnatic/Royal as a stomp; it was pretty close most games.

[Nadevoc]

That was a disgusting final. :smallsigh: All the interesting teams vanished when C9 and Fnatic got chumped out; most of the group stage games were more interesting than those games were.

What?

I mean, yeah, SKT ended up absolutely dominating the series, but I'm confused how you can say that C9 and Fnatic were the last of the interesting teams. SKT and Royal both have generally been great teams to watch. Fnatic's double teleport makes them unique, so I guess I see that, but C9 didn't have anything unusual or anything about them, so I'm not sure where you're coming from...

[Nerocite]

Everyone is bad at this game.

[Math_Mage]

Well...that was depressing and rather anti-climatic. :smallfrown:
It was vehemently against weather?
:smalltongue:


That was a disgusting final. :smallsigh: All the interesting teams vanished when C9 and Fnatic got chumped out; most of the group stage games were more interesting than those games were.
I completely agree. Royal let SKT play one strat the whole finals, and they let SKT dictate the pace of every game. Honestly, it seems like they were completely dependent on Uzi dominating lane to set up midgame numbers advantages and playmaking. Ironically, if it hadn't worked so well in the past, they might not have gotten stomped so hard here. It's really too bad Gambit, Fnatic, and C9 just didn't have the mechanics to handle individual matchups, because their teamplay was a lot more interesting than Royal's.

[mrcarter11]

I would have paid good money to see a 4 team tournament of Cloud 9, Fnatic, OMG, and Najin Black Sword.

Both OMG and Najin Black Sword were knocked out by fellow country teams (and OMG split with SKTT1), so we have no idea how good they are compared to other non-regional teams.

Also, I wouldn't classify Fnatic/Royal as a stomp; it was pretty close most games.

I wouldn't of? It's my opinion but yeah I wouldn't of even watched it. C9 isn't good, they never were. Fnatic is pretty good, granted, they are likely better then a lot of other teams as proven by their placement. OMG and Najin were fun to watch. I'd like to see a 2 round, round robin of them and the finals teams. That'd be fun to watch.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Fix your spoiler boxes, Math_Mage. :smalltongue:

[ex cathedra]

That was a disgusting final. :smallsigh: All the interesting teams vanished when C9 and Fnatic got chumped out; most of the group stage games were more interesting than those games were.

C9 is an interesting team? lol, k.


They were too busy banning Vi for mysterious reasons.
Bengi's Vi is godlike, and you'd much rather see his J4 than his Vi. Her R single-handledly snowballs lanes and hard-initiates lategame. I don't see the issue.

[Joran]

Crazy idea which can be easily confirmed:

Did SKTT1 pick Red side first on the idea they'd trick Royal into an Orianna pick with Faker holding the Gragas pick as a counter-pick? That'd be next level planning right there.

I'm guessing Faker spent a lot of the last week practicing his Gragas, because it looked on point.

[Duos]

Perhaps I'm biased, but I really like C9's champion pool (Meteos is good on Nocturne and I think he's the only person I see play him with any degree of regularity) and the way they make their plays. Fnatic is always interesting and I'm bummed we didn't see more TP strats from them.

I just think most of the Asian teams are boring to watch. Their mechanical play is excellent which leads to some sick plays, but the games all feel so samey to me: swap lanes, be aggressive, get fb/first dragon, systematically ruin the enemy team one tower at a time without ever engaging the other team because they're just sort of hanging around behind their towers and shaking their fists.

[Joran]

Perhaps I'm biased, but I really like C9's champion pool (Meteos is good on Nocturne and I think he's the only person I see play him with any degree of regularity) and the way they make their plays. Fnatic is always interesting and I'm bummed we didn't see more TP strats from them.

I just think most of the Asian teams are boring to watch. Their mechanical play is excellent which leads to some sick plays, but the games all feel so samey to me: swap lanes, be aggressive, get fb/first dragon, systematically ruin the enemy team one tower at a time without ever engaging the other team because they're just sort of hanging around behind their towers and shaking their fists.

Uh, the Chinese meta is very aggression focused, lots of fights all across the map. The kill counts are absolutely ridiculous, as shown by the OMG/Royal matchup. The Korean meta is the one that's very systematic.

All in all, it does seem like League of Legends has become a "get an early advantage, control the rest of the game" kind of game at the moment, which limits the comebacks that can happen.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

All in all, it does seem like League of Legends has become a "get an early advantage, control the rest of the game" kind of game at the moment, which limits the comebacks that can happen.

I think that's inevitable. When having an advantage means that you have more gold and levels to increase your own power and your opponent is denied gold, levels, and chances to secure objectives, early game control becomes the most important thing.

Short of completely revising the way League plays as a game I'm not sure you can fix this. It's not a fighting game, for example: getting hit a bunch in, say, Soul Caliber decreases your chances of winning (since you have less health remaining), but it doesn't remove your ability to deal damage with your OWN moves. League punishes a losing team in two ways: not only are their opponents stronger, but their own growth is slowed.

[ex cathedra]

Perhaps I'm biased, but I really like C9's champion pool (Meteos is good on Nocturne and I think he's the only person I see play him with any degree of regularity) and the way they make their plays. Fnatic is always interesting and I'm bummed we didn't see more TP strats from them.

I just think most of the Asian teams are boring to watch. Their mechanical play is excellent which leads to some sick plays, but the games all feel so samey to me: swap lanes, be aggressive, get fb/first dragon, systematically ruin the enemy team one tower at a time without ever engaging the other team because they're just sort of hanging around behind their towers and shaking their fists.

If you transition directly from praising C9 to complaining that the asian teams play games that "all feel so samey to me," you're almost certainly biased. C9 is one of the most formulaic teams in the world; that's not a bad thing, but your description of the "asian" style (despite it not describing china well at all) strikes me as more descriptive of C9 than it is most korean teams, even.

[mrcarter11]

To add to what aether was saying, SKT1 actually changed their style somewhat for the finals. Impact has consistently played tank tops. And in this series he came out with jax, which he'd used before, but it's a rare pick for him. It was SKT1 running a triple threat comp which is as far as I'm aware a more euro or GG based comp idea.

[TechnOkami]

*raises hand*

So, I know people are talking in spoilers because they're talking about the game w/o spoiling other people, but, like, why? Why not just talk about it without the wall of spoilers; who would be barticularly offended if you guys did just, ya know, not spoiler everything?

[NineThePuma]

People who didn't see it and are serious about the sport.

[ex cathedra]

in theory, everyone bothering to use spoilers is doing so because if they were unavailable and wanted to watch the finals later, they'd prefer that post-game discussion be hidden so that they wouldn't be spoiled on the results.

who it benefits specifically doesn't matter, it's a basic and fairly effortless courtesy. why?

[TechnOkami]

in theory, everyone bothering to use spoilers is doing so because if they were unavailable and wanted to watch the finals later, they'd prefer that post-game discussion be hidden so that they wouldn't be spoiled on the results.

who it benefits specifically doesn't matter, it's a basic and fairly effortless courtesy. why?

Curious.

...and spoiler buttons are hard to press on my dinkly little smart phone.

[Cogwheel]

I think that's inevitable. When having an advantage means that you have more gold and levels to increase your own power and your opponent is denied gold, levels, and chances to secure objectives, early game control becomes the most important thing.

Short of completely revising the way League plays as a game I'm not sure you can fix this. It's not a fighting game, for example: getting hit a bunch in, say, Soul Caliber decreases your chances of winning (since you have less health remaining), but it doesn't remove your ability to deal damage with your OWN moves. League punishes a losing team in two ways: not only are their opponents stronger, but their own growth is slowed.

It is also unlike Soul Calibur in being fun.

Oh, and if it was a fighting game I'd probably be able to play it half-decently, so there's that! Though the idea of some champions ported to a fighting game spinoff is kind of fascinating to me.

[Happy Gravity]

I wish Fizz was removed from the game.

I will, however, settle for banning him every game and encouraging others to do so.

[Forrestfire]

Man, a fighting game with League champs would be amazing.

I wonder if anyone has made any for MUGEN. I really should download that game at some point.

[Cogwheel]

Man, a fighting game with League champs would be amazing.

I wonder if anyone has made any for MUGEN. I really should download that game at some point.

Looked around.

Mostly aborted attempts at Jax and Ezreal, nothing completed, tragically. DotA is in a similar state.

Why do I feel like Mordekaiser in a fighting game would pretty much be the quintessential "if you're both new, pick this to win" character? I also have a feeling that Fizz would be really neat. Ezreal's probably a horrible pain, though. Puts me in mind of Dhalsim or Peacock in playstyle.

Edit: Dr. Mundo in this form would be terrible/amazing.

Further edits: Funny how Zed would still be extremely hard to play well.

[Forrestfire]

Looked around.

Mostly aborted attempts at Jax and Ezreal, nothing completed, tragically. DotA is in a similar state.

Why do I feel like Mordekaiser in a fighting game would pretty much be the quintessential "if you're both new, pick this to win" character? I also have a feeling that Fizz would be really neat. Ezreal's probably a horrible pain, though. Puts me in mind of Dhalsim or Peacock in playstyle.

Edit: Dr. Mundo in this form would be terrible/amazing.

Further edits: Funny how Zed would still be extremely hard to play well.

I feel like Mundo would play something like Guile (far away? CLEAVER TO THE FACE! closing in? MELEE CLEAVER TO THE FACE), and that Zed would have something like M. Bison's ↓↑P and ↓↑K, whatever they're called.

[Cogwheel]

I feel like Mundo would play something like Guile (far away? CLEAVER TO THE FACE! closing in? MELEE CLEAVER TO THE FACE), and that Zed would have something like M. Bison's ↓↑P and ↓↑K, whatever they're called.

Hmm, possible. I admittedly don't do Street Fighter much, my references tend to be Hisoutensoku/Melty Blood/Skullgirls/Guilty Gear/BlazBlue.

Kayle's probably fairly easy to pick up. Some would require heavy adjustment, like Malphite: Maybe his E now inflicts input delay, while Q has two versions, knocking your enemy away or pulling them to you (to simulate the speed disparity and make up for his usually being slow). R could be a simple reversal and launcher. W... maybe a Hatred Install-style buff or something that just makes everything hit harder. Passive would be a regenerating shield that gives superarmour/auto-block on one hit.

I feel like an MvC/Skullgirls-esque team system might be good too. Oh, and some characters might be best if they're not playable, but only set as an assist; pick one, and you can summon them with the press of a button, on a cooldown. Sona comes to mind first of all, since making her a playable character would be hard, unless you heavily retool her into a stance character.

Also, comboing as Blitzcrank, with QE, would be hilariously easy.


...I should probably shut up or move this elsewhere. Sorry.


Edit: If it's not clear, I'm working on a 2D assumption here. I don't generally do 3D fighters at all.

[brutii]

(far away? CLEAVER TO THE FACE! closing in? MELEE CLEAVER TO THE FACE),

Reminds me of a particular 1v1 matchup.

Regarding spoilers, I happen to be one of those dudes who is at work tonight and can't watch, so there is that.

[Forrestfire]

Mundo vs Mundo mirror:


far away? CLEAVER TO THE FACE
close up? CLEAVER TO THE FACE
screw up positioning? MINION WAVE TO THE FACE

[brutii]

I feel like that game was over when, at every point in the game, I was at least matching you in defensive items while also having enough leftover to build Liandry's.

Also, I can never decide if I want to go CDR-Pen Mundo or AD Mundo when playing him in lane.

[Neoseanster]

Crazy idea which can be easily confirmed:

Did SKTT1 pick Red side first on the idea they'd trick Royal into an Orianna pick with Faker holding the Gragas pick as a counter-pick? That'd be next level planning right there.

I'm guessing Faker spent a lot of the last week practicing his Gragas, because it looked on point.


SKT spent most of the past week playing NA solo queue. My brother's up in diamond 1 at 90+ LP, and he'd regularly play with individual members of the team. He beat Faker's AP Kog'maw mid with Syndra, and then got carried by Faker's Xin Zhao mid the next day. <_< Another of his super high LP diamond 1 friends duo queued with PoohManDo a bunch of times, and a third spent like three hours 1v1'ing Impact over and over again Thursday night, mostly spamming Singed and Renekton against each other.

I'm sure they scrimmed as a team in private in addition, but they did a lot of casual for fun stuff too.

[Nadevoc]

It is also unlike Soul Calibur in being fun.

Oh, and if it was a fighting game I'd probably be able to play it half-decently, so there's that! Though the idea of some champions ported to a fighting game spinoff is kind of fascinating to me.

There's actually a fan-made 2D fighter being made that got Riot's blessing a few months ago:

http://instaburst.net/

It hasn't even entered closed beta yet, though (currently scheduled to enter closed beta before the end of the year).

[Cogwheel]

There's actually a fan-made 2D fighter being made that got Riot's blessing a few months ago:

http://instaburst.net/

It hasn't even entered closed beta yet, though (currently scheduled to enter closed beta before the end of the year).

...Huh.

Gotta keep my eye on this.

[Farix]

I'm looking to give jungling a go, haven't done it before, and was hoping to get some advice on good champs and routes for a beginner.

[Math_Mage]

I'm looking to give jungling a go, haven't done it before, and was hoping to get some advice on good champs and routes for a beginner.

jarvan most ezmode jungler world

get leash at one buff, smite other buff, gank, first blood

[Winthur]

I'm looking to give jungling a go, haven't done it before, and was hoping to get some advice on good champs and routes for a beginner.

Alright, let's go:
Are you level 21 or above so that you can buy tier 3 runes and if you do, did you buy armor yellows?
Otherwise jungling is going to be an arduous task.

Another thing you have to note is that you should always, always, ALWAYS take Smite. It's necessary to secure buffs, particularly the meatiest ones - dragon and baron. It also speeds up your jungle.

There exist three champions that have pretty much zero chance of dying to creeps in the jungle, all of them being decent for first steps especially since they're very cheap:
-Warwick - he is now an outdated champion and a really slow jungler who doesn't do much at all before level 6, but he doesn't die in the jungle and his post level 6 ganks are potent. He's extremely simple to play, too. He's also cheap, at 450 IP I believe. Max R>Q>W>E.
-Nunu - the jungle is a sandbox for him. He can safely disengage from any duelist due to his potent slow and he specializes at eating big creeps. He can bully enemy junglers by eating their jungle, and transitions into a decent support tank with his Blood Boil and two powerful slows. Max R>E>Q>W or R>Q>E>W depending on playstyle and need.
-Fiddlesticks - he's your traditional AP caster from the jungle. He is rather blue buff reliant due to his mana costs, but his Drain is extremely good sustain. He's a very potent ganker at all stages of the game because has a point'n'click fear that can last for up to 3 seconds (a lot in this game). His post level 6 ganks deal a ton of damage. He is good at taking dragons. He's weak to duelists and getting counter-jungled, but otherwise he can snowball really well with his natural damage and great crowd control. Max R>W>Q>E or R>Q>W>E depending on need.

Other good champions you might take notice to but have certain peculiarities to them or might be a little more expensive in IP - but they remain very good if not outright top tier choices:
-Nasus - his jungling is okay. If you micromanage his Q to last hit creeps (Especially big ones), you have potentially infinite scaling that can have you hitting like a truck even with all tanky items (and that's what junglers mostly can afford). His Wither slow is extremely powerful and shuts down autoattack reliant characters as well as letting you perform good ganks. He can clear waves, push and outpush really well. His ult transforms him into a juggernaut and lets him solo dragon the moment he hits level 6 - an useful thing to note especially at low levels where the dragon might not be warded. R>E>W=Q.
-Nocturne - he has once been described as an "assassin that goes tanky dps". He has really good steroids that let him do lots of free damage. His ult is amazing in both ganks and teamfights (shutting down vision can be a fight winner). He clears fast, has good sustain, his only weakness are duelists. R>Q>E>W.
-Jarvan IV - he has really brutal level 2 ganks, some really good utility, decent clear and dueling, and he has a really potent ultimate. A very popular choice currently, especially for AoE teams and combos with champions like Orianna. R>Q>E>W to my recollection.
-Udyr - he is a superversatile champion that can go either Phoenix for stupidly fast jungle clear and lots of free damage that doesn't require any damage items or Tiger for great single target burst and even more dueling potential. He is simple at heart but the fact that he has no mobility outside of his own movement speed (no dashes unlike some champs) hurts him against certain teams greatly. R>W=E>Q or Q>W=E>R depending on which one you play.
-Amumu - the quintessential jungle tank. You clear okay, you are kinda hurt without blue buff but can manage, and at level 6, you unlock a really powerful ultimate that turns fights around. Really cheap too. R>E>Q=W.
-Xin Zhao - the man from China is easy to play, is all offense, and boasts good dueling and brutal level 2 ganks. Has no escape. R>E>Q>W

Those above are mostly cheap and all offer certain cool stuff you might want to do, depending on what kinda player you are.

In general the current jungle route involves getting a smiteless leash from your friends (it really isn't a big investment for them usually) on one of the buffs, red or blue. The choice of the buff depends on factors like what champion are you playing (some champions really want to start blue), who is the enemy jungler (and can he intercept your buffs) and what lane do you want to gank (so if you are blue side and want to gank top at level 3, you start at red, then blue, then gank). Then, you run to your other buff and do it with smite. Equipped with both buffs, you look for the lane to gank, or perhaps seek the enemy jungler and try to intercept his buff or attempt to take his life.

The runes you will need are Armor yellows. The rest are up to the champion. The current hot "generic jungle page" that works on non-scaling tanks and such contains Attack Speed reds, Armor yellows, whatever blues (usually magic resist per level) and Movement Speed quints. Some junglers do really well with just the generic AD carry page (+15 AD, Armor yellows). Generally any combination of attack speed, armor and AD will let you jungle any of the champions above (Fiddle can run a generic mage page).

Some other random tips are:
-Always push the lane to the turret so that the minions die and the waves reset after a successful gank. This gives you more XP (you usually need it in the jungle), denies the enemy his XP, puts damage on the enemy turret (never a bad thing).
-Likewise, ignore your small camps and hold the lane for your dead or recalled laners. If a laner has died and a wave is approaching his turret, kill it for him, get the XP and the gold.
-Make sure to secure your buffs and the global buffs. Blue and red spawn every 5 minutes, Dragon spawns every 6 minutes, Baron spawns every 7 minutes.
-Some junglers are best used for constant ganking, particularly ones that don't scale much with items or are slow farmers. Some junglers want to spend most of their time farming. It depends on the champion, your playstyle, and the state of the game.
-Ignore flaming teammates, it's not your obligation to gank, share buffs (though it's welcome and I am not going to discourage you from it).
-But do make sure that your strategy for ganking is thought out. If the enemy top lane is Darius, he probably will push the lane hard due to his Q harass, but he has no escapes in his kit, so he'd be an easy target. If your mid lane is Nidalee, she's going to be hella hard to get a successful gank for because she has no CC. Plan ahead and adapt.
-Try to snowball winning lanes and carry the game with them.
-Make sure to control Dragon and Baron. You have the Smite to secure it and if the enemy is dead or away and you're stronger, you should probably take it. Some junglers can do it solo - such as Nasus, if he pops his ult for it, but that's just one example. (hint: you need sustain and preferrably some % damage).
-Watch the map. If the enemy jungler is on the other side of the map you can punish him by taking his creeps from the other side of the jungle or his buffs. If he's ganking top, dragon is probably readily available.
-YouTube channels that have some informative videos on jungling at both high and low levels are Stonewall008 and Trick2G. You can also check out Saintvicious' Jungleology or TheOddOne's stream.
-Don't rush Vampiric Scepter on jungle Alistar.

[Olinser]

I'm looking to give jungling a go, haven't done it before, and was hoping to get some advice on good champs and routes for a beginner.

Some tips to tag onto Winthur's post:

-Don't ever start a camp clear with Smite. Use Smite only when it will finish off the main monster - if you get interrupted mid-camp, you won't have wasted Smite. This goes DOUBLE for Dragon and Baron.
-Especially at lower levels, where a lot of guys don't have very good map awareness, it helps a LOT to ping or say something as you are heading for a gank. That lets them set up a CC or try to bait them out for an easier gank.
-Unless you plan on tower diving or helping kill the tower, it doesn't really help to go to a lane that is already pushed to the enemy turret
-As a jungler, you generally do NOT want to get the killing blow from a gank. Obviously take it if you're not sure you can feed it to the laner, but if you're a lane and the enemy isn't getting away, put the kills on the AD or Mid, they'll carry a lot better than a jungler can
-If you spend more than about 15-20 seconds at most hanging around a lane waiting for a gank, you're probably wasting too much time that could be spent much better farming or ganking a different lane.
-Wards. Not a lot, but a couple wards at jungle entrances lets you know if the enemy jungler is trying to steal a buff from you. Later on, the jungler will generally be the one to help the Support lay out wards. Wards win games.

[Anarion]

Specifically, the best spot to drop a ward as jungler is near enemy wraiths. It's much safer for the jungler to go in there than the support, and it lets you see whether enemies are going mid or to one of the side lanes and can tip you off if you want to counter jungle and try to steal red.

[MCerberus]

Hmm, hit a promo series floating around being matched with silver 1s/low gold. If it pops me up to Silver 2 where I was before I took a break I might make a run at gold.

(Abusing Renekton/Vi for free league points)

[Woodzyowl]

Well, that was insane.
http://i.imgur.com/wEAcNs6.jpg
That was a 55 kill 16.5 minute ARAM. 50 kills of which I was involved in. New personal record.

[Nadevoc]

Would someone mind checking their game.cfg file and check which of the following lines you have?

DisableCameraSnapOnRespawn=1
SnapCameraOnRespawn=0


Pretty sure that's what's causing my game to keep turning the snap on revive on - I've got both. Probably one's the line I put in before it was added to the options, but I don't remember which.

[ex cathedra]

DisableCameraSnapOnRespawn=1 is out of place. SnapCameraOnRespawn=(0/1) is correct.

[Nadevoc]

Thanks. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to have fixed it.


EDIT: In fact, completely removing my config file so it creates a new one doesn't prevent the issue. Which means it's apparently not a config file issue at all.

[Artanis]

Hmm, an idea is rattling around in my head for a Champion based on RWBY's Ruby Rose. If posters around here are interested, I can post it, but I don't want to annoy anybody by clogging up a perfectly good thread if nobody cares.



Well, that was insane.
*picture*
Jesus H. Christ, that's insane. It must've been fun as hell!

[Hullabaloo]

Does anyone know a good comeback game from this years playoffs? Would love to see a good return from a siege, and how to push out from there.

[JKTrickster]

Hey guys what should Jax play like now?

I'm more interested in playing Jax after realizing Triforce buffs really benefit him....but how would it work? I don't even know what Masteries I should get...

Maybe 21/9/0? Standard AD masteries?

[The Hellbug]

So, uh, anyone have any fun stories about that sword of the occult/soulstealer bug last night?

So I'm playing Trundle in the jungle, and at about 5 minutes I give first blood Lee Sin when he counterganks on mid. Then I say to myself, "No sweat, he's got a little bit of a lead but I didn't give a kill any of their laners so at least none of them will be bullied bad for my mistake. Then, about 3 minutes later, I'm at my Blue Buff getting it for our mid, and Lee Sin jumps out of nowhere, killing me instantly. I look at his items afterwards, and he's got a fully stacked sword of the occult in his inventory. Long story short, by the end of the game, three players on the opposing team have fully stacked mejai's/sword, and we just can't stop them. I knew seeing Lulu on mid would end weird.

[NineThePuma]

Reina, to forever go down in history as the one who broke Sword of the Occult/Mejais.

[Ashen Lilies]

Man, and I had so much issue trying to stack my Mejai's the regular way as LeBlanc in a Co-op vs AI last night, too. :smallfrown:

I swear, those bots are like heat-seeking missiles sometimes. I'll just be roaming their jungle looking for some picks when suddenly an Alistar and a Shen pop out of a bush to knock me up and taunt me and then Cait and Ziggs ults target me from across the map...

[MCerberus]

Hey guys what should Jax play like now?

I'm more interested in playing Jax after realizing Triforce buffs really benefit him....but how would it work? I don't even know what Masteries I should get...

Maybe 21/9/0? Standard AD masteries?

I mostly run him from the jungle, where I use hybrid masteries (think sort of like Kayle). I haven't played him since the Triforce change though.

[Math_Mage]

Hmm, an idea is rattling around in my head for a Champion based on RWBY's Ruby Rose. If posters around here are interested, I can post it, but I don't want to annoy anybody by clogging up a perfectly good thread if nobody cares.
Please do. We have a few homebrewers around and a few others happy to give feedback (that may or may not pull any punches).


Does anyone know a good comeback game from this years playoffs? Would love to see a good return from a siege, and how to push out from there.
Fnatic's series against Royal, while it doesn't strictly have the scenario you described, constantly felt like Fnatic was making comeback plays because Royal was so far ahead in the neutral game.


Hey guys what should Jax play like now?

I'm more interested in playing Jax after realizing Triforce buffs really benefit him....but how would it work? I don't even know what Masteries I should get...

Maybe 21/9/0? Standard AD masteries?
If you go more than 9 in offense, you should probably pick up both pen masteries. I could see Jax with 21/9/0, 14/16/0, or 9/21/0. Hybrid pen or armor pen marks, armor yellows, MR blues, MS/AD/lifesteal quints. Can jungle or top lane. A variety of level 1 starts are playable, but get a Doran's item or two and boots and you can start on that Trinity Force--follow up with BotRK. Jungle is risky because if you don't get fed you risk being unable to initiate without getting blown up, but probably stick to classics--Wriggle's-Triforce--or go tanky with Golem Locket.

[Olinser]

Mumble server crash?

[Eldariel]

Fnatic's series against Royal, while it doesn't strictly have the scenario you described, constantly felt like Fnatic was making comeback plays because Royal was so far ahead in the neutral game.

Honestly, Fnatic was really the only team pulling impressive comebacks this year. Maybe SKT but definitely watch Fnatic games if you wanna see ways to build comebacks. There were a lot of those, though of course "behind" is a relative value.

[Hullabaloo]

@The Jungler Question: Master Yi is the first jung I have purchased, but did not see mentioned and really like him. He is more the assassin as opposed to tank Jung, but is pretty easy to learn, and quite cheap IP wise.

[Antonok]

@The Jungler Question: Master Yi is the first jung I have purchased, but did not see mentioned and really like him. He is more the assassin as opposed to tank Jung, but is pretty easy to learn, and quite cheap IP wise.

Hes good and can snowball hard against a team with little hard CC but man does going offense really hurt if they do have CC (or another all out assassin like katarina/fizz).

[Godskook]

More people need to join our league chat channel in the client("GITP"). It'd be kinda cool if it got big enough to actually get a conversation stream going.

[Anarion]

More people need to join our league chat channel in the client("GITP"). It'd be kinda cool if it got big enough to actually get a conversation stream going.

We have an in-client League channel? That comes as news to me.

[Godskook]

We have an in-client League channel? That comes as news to me.

Created it and posted about towards the end of last thread, so its a fairly new thing.

[Dire Ferret]

So there have been custom games popping up where everyone can select the same champion...

All Kennen All Mid was amazing.

[Raven444]

I'm pretty new to the league of legends scene. I've reached level 21, mostly playing aram with my friends.

My Summoner name is: Iskandarl. I am on the NA server.

[Anarion]

So there have been custom games popping up where everyone can select the same champion...

All Kennen All Mid was amazing.

That is the best thing. Just, the best.

[Cogwheel]

That is the best thing. Just, the best.

Not until we have All Karthus All Mid, it isn't.

[Artanis]

ARAM: All Rammus, All Mid

[Joran]

Reina, to forever go down in history as the one who broke Sword of the Occult/Mejais.

I know people who break builds get cake. Proof: https://twitter.com/Christopurr/status/378726167462699009

Do people get anything for creating a bug so bad it requires a hotfix?

P.S. Just saw a A Blitz All Mid game someone was streaming. It was as entertaining as I thought it would be.

[Olinser]

I'm pretty new to the league of legends scene. I've reached level 21, mostly playing aram with my friends.

My Summoner name is: Iskandarl. I am on the NA server.

Welcome to the forums.

[PersonMan]

A variety of level 1 starts are playable, but get a Doran's item or two and boots and you can start on that Trinity Force--follow up with BotRK.

I've found that grabbing an early Crystalline Flask helps a lot with sustain, and I generally get a Bilgewater for lane sustain/extra damage as well, then go trinforce, finish Botrk.

[Demotivated]

Hello all,

been lurking for the past few threads, and just thought I would say hi. Summoner name is Demotivated and I'm on the NA Server level 30, and currently Bronze IV. Also kinda curios about the whole 3v3 thing and tying ranked there (if I can find a team or people who want to form a team). Mostly on in the evenings so about 9ish hours from now.

[Godskook]

Hello all,

been lurking for the past few threads, and just thought I would say hi. Summoner name is Demotivated and I'm on the NA Server level 30, and currently Bronze IV. Also kinda curios about the whole 3v3 thing and tying ranked there (if I can find a team or people who want to form a team). Mostly on in the evenings so about 9ish hours from now.

Hiya, welcome to the thread. You are on about the same time as most of us.

[Hullabaloo]

We have an in-client League channel? That comes as news to me.
Yep, and you can make it auto log in on connect. Would love to group up with some GITPers, and I'll have to hook up my mumble and mikemic soon.

[Demotivated]

I look forward to seeing you people online, and will have to add this channel.

[Math_Mage]

I look forward to seeing you people online, and will have to add this channelget on Mumble.

You'll find us more easily there, in general. I mean, soon that hopefully won't be the case, but for now it is.

[Forrestfire]

Not until we have All Karthus All Mid, it isn't.

I think you're forgetting someone. (http://images.wikia.com/leagueoflegends/images/2/23/Draven_Select.ogg)

[Cogwheel]

I think you're forgetting someone. (http://images.wikia.com/leagueoflegends/images/2/23/Draven_Select.ogg)

Given that they're all Draven anyway, I felt it would be redundant.

[Hullabaloo]

free champs
Champion Price (IP) Price (RP) Difficulty Date Last Free
Cho'Gath 1350 585 7 2013-08-06
Corki 3150 790 7 2013-07-16
Katarina 3150 790 5 2013-07-09
Sona 3150 790 1 2013-08-20
Ezreal 4800 880 8 2013-08-20
Jarvan IV 4800 880 5 2013-06-18
Lee Sin 4800 880 9 2013-04-16
Malzahar 4800 880 6 2013-07-16
Wukong 4800 880 3 2013-07-09
Nami 6300 975 8 2013-09-02
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1nx7k5/new_free_champion_rotation_season_three_week_36/

Look fowards to lots of Corki's being played cause he was banned alot in the worlds :). Looking forwards to Lee Sing and Jarvan to try in the jungle, as well as nami support

[Olinser]

free champs
Icon Champion Price (IP) Price (RP) Difficulty Date Last Free
Cho'Gath 1350 585 7 2013-08-06
Corki 3150 790 7 2013-07-16
Katarina 3150 790 5 2013-07-09
Sona 3150 790 1 2013-08-20
Ezreal 4800 880 8 2013-08-20
Jarvan IV 4800 880 5 2013-06-18
Lee Sin 4800 880 9 2013-04-16
Malzahar 4800 880 6 2013-07-16
Wukong 4800 880 3 2013-07-09
Nami 6300 975 8 2013-09-02
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1nx7k5/new_free_champion_rotation_season_three_week_36/

Look fowards to lots of Corki's being played cause he was banned alot in the worlds :). Looking forwards to Lee Sing and Jarvan to try in the jungle, as well as nami support

The alleged champion difficulty ratings on that page are..... questionable, to say the least.

[Flagpole]

Hey I just wanted to get added to the big list, my summoner name is Flagpole on the NA server. I'm level 30 and stuck on a losing streak in Silver 2 straight down from my gold promos. I play a ton of support using pretty much any of them except for Taric. I love to Duo so shoot me many many invites.

[Freudianship]

Might as well add my name.

LeiteaSalk on the NA server.

Trying to get back into PVP. Did one ranked game so far and lost. Not sure if I want to continue. (Lag on Thresh is a terrible terrible thing)

[Maryring]

ARAM: All Rammus, All Mid

All Soraka, All Mid.

This is the game that never ends. It goes on and on my friend. Some people starting playing it not knowing how it was, and now they're never gonna stop cause :smallamused:

[heronbpv]

@All-mid trend:

All Cho'gath, All Gentleman, All the nom-noms... xD

[Socratov]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff238/dmen1989/loginqueue_zpscc2db3ec.png

Yes, this is happening...

edit: going up to 1 hr 34 minutes now

[SlyGuyMcFly]

EU WEST SERVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :smallmad:


And so there was much weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Renegade Paladin]

Look fowards to lots of Corki's being played cause he was banned alot in the worlds :).
I've been seeing Corki get banned in low Elo solo queue now. It's hilarious, except when someone actually ban-worthy gets in on the other team because of it. :smalltongue:

[Farix]

All Lux, All Mid

Maniacal laughter everywhere.

[ex cathedra]

I've been seeing Corki get banned in low Elo solo queue now. It's hilarious, except when someone actually ban-worthy gets in on the other team because of it. :smalltongue:

who do you think is actually banworthy

[Ashen Lilies]

All Lux, All Mid

Maniacal laughter everywhere.

AMFAM. Maniacal laughter... and bullets. So many bullets.

[zmasterofjersey]

I've been looking into starting ranked seeing as how I have played since march S2 and haven't played ranked at all. (Also, I want the elise skin.)

I know that your first ten matches are worth significantly more towards placement, but I was wondering what happens if you dodge them? Does it count as a lost game, or just a lost placement match? ex. dodge one 9 left.

[Winthur]

who do you think is actually banworthy

amumu malphite blitzcrank kassadin shen tryndamere

duh

[toasty]

amumu malphite blitzcrank kassadin shen tryndamere

duh

Blitz Kass Trynd are actually reasonable bans in Solo queue. too many idiots don't know how to play vs those heroes.

[Socratov]

All Lux, All Mid

Maniacal laughter everywhere.

All Kassadin All mid. A veritable storm of spells with evil laughter

[Winthur]

too many idiots don't know how to play vs those heroes.

Since you are asking:
you basically have to run health quints in bot lane and stand behind minions (even Sona beats Blitz with HP quints involved, no joke),
pick something with good early game that can abuse Kassadin before level 6
and just not let trynd freefarm

but most importantly toasty

you have to

git gud

[Nadevoc]

Alright, everyone that's posted so far should be added to the first post now.

[Renegade Paladin]

who do you think is actually banworthy
Champions who actually get played, i.e. not Corki. I have never, not once, actually seen him in a solo queue game. If you want more specific, my personal list is Thresh, Malphite, Elise, Amumu, Shen, in that order. And Shen's only on the list because everyone whines if you don't, not because he's usually actually dangerous in the hands of bronze players. :smalltongue:

[ex cathedra]

Champions who actually get played, i.e. not Corki. I have never, not once, actually seen him in a solo queue game. If you want more specific, my personal list is Thresh, Malphite, Elise, Amumu, Shen, in that order. And Shen's only on the list because everyone whines if you don't, not because he's usually actually dangerous in the hands of bronze players. :smalltongue:
http://i.imgur.com/pnpR42L.png

didn't finish one of the question marks // baylife

[Renegade Paladin]

Yeah, they don't get played because (bar Elise, who I hit because her ability to towerdive with impunity is irritating as all get out) they're on the permaban list of the vast majority of the player base. Leave any of those open, and they will be picked (sometimes with disastrous consequences for the people who pick them since they don't know what they're doing, but whatever). What's your point?

[ex cathedra]

of the champions mentioned, only thresh, elise, and shen are banned more often than corki. he's picked more often than thresh, malphite, elise, malphite, and shen. he's banned more than malphite and amumu.

[Math_Mage]

who do you think is actually banworthy
In low Elo? Hell, I'd probably ban Cait over Corki at low Elo just 'cause she's way more ezmode than Corki is. (Not that I would actually ban Cait...and I'm certainly not commenting on overall strength.)

More broadly, I'd focus my bans away from ADC in low Elo, because ADCs aren't playmakers at that Elo.

[ex cathedra]

In low Elo? Hell, I'd probably ban Cait over Corki at low Elo just 'cause she's way more ezmode than Corki is. (Not that I would actually ban Cait...and I'm certainly not commenting on overall strength.)

More broadly, I'd focus my bans away from ADC in low Elo, because ADCs aren't playmakers at that Elo.

cait is ezmode for competent players, i suspect that she's much less faceroll in the hands of players who can't properly farm, zone, harass, stutterstep, or animation cancel.

corki is literally press Q, right click, win trade for the first 8 minutes of the game. he gets even easier once you get R.

[Renegade Paladin]

of the champions mentioned, only thresh, elise, and shen are banned more often than corki. he's picked more often than thresh, malphite, elise, malphite, and shen. he's banned more than malphite and amumu.
Corki has never dominated a game I've played in, therefore I see no need to ban him. In fact I have only ever witnessed him played by Playgrounders when doing 5 queue normals, and of the few times that's happened our bot lane has lost horribly. Congratulations, some people who waste vast amounts of resources doing this instead of something productive for a living figured out how to break the game with him or whatever, but if the people I actually play with have they aren't letting on. I've said it before and I'll say it again, professional team play is a different game from bronze/silver solo queue. It isn't played the same way, the same situations do not crop up, therefore the same champions are not always optimal.

[brutii]

Since the change to Triforce, I have only been in a game where Corki lost once, and even in that game Corki went 12/1/3 but couldn't deal with every other lane losing roughly as hard as he won.

[Olinser]

I've been looking into starting ranked seeing as how I have played since march S2 and haven't played ranked at all. (Also, I want the elise skin.)

I know that your first ten matches are worth significantly more towards placement, but I was wondering what happens if you dodge them? Does it count as a lost game, or just a lost placement match? ex. dodge one 9 left.

In provisional, I believe it counts as a loss.

In normal ranked, you lose LP for it.

I would advise you refrain from dodging in all but the most extreme circumstances.

To date, my only dodge has been when the first 2 people autolocked mid without saying anything, and one of the other guys (who had actually called mid before the locks) refused to play AD and locked in a THIRD mid.

[ex cathedra]

Congratulations, some people who waste vast amounts of resources doing this instead of something productive for a livingoh god the salt

I've said it before and I'll say it again, professional team play is a different game from bronze/silver solo queue. It isn't played the same way, the same situations do not crop up, therefore the same champions are not always optimal.

i didn't mention pro players. all of my statistics were taken from NA solo queue. i'm also pretty sure that they're the same game, but what's the point. anyways, what the **** are you talking about. corki is a potent, easy-to-play champion with excellent lanematchups, decent scaling, and good potential to snowball that's both popular and successful in the solo queue setting. i don't see a lot of hilarity in the existence of corki bans, and presumably neither do the many players who ban him in ~20% of games.

[Math_Mage]

cait is ezmode for competent players, i suspect that she's much less faceroll in the hands of players who can't properly farm, zone, harass, stutterstep, or animation cancel.

corki is literally press Q, right click, win trade for the first 8 minutes of the game. he gets even easier once you get R.
Not even. People walk into her range, go "OMG I'M GETTING HIT RUUUUN," and run away. You free farm until they walk into your range again. Repeat until victory. That is literally all it takes to play Caitlyn at low Elo, and it only takes one such baddie on the other end of the lane to lose the lane.

Plus, due to range + escape, Caitlyn's the most forgiving positioning character overall. Corki has a better escape, but low Elo Corki flies up to Ryze and starts autoattacking him and then his Valkyrie's not worth much. Tristana has more forgiving positioning late, but less early--and less waveclear to compensate for low Elo's bad wave control, and if you don't know how to farm Explosive Shot it costs you 50 CS on top of the penalty you already take for being bronze. Ezreal has very forgiving positioning if the low Elo player commits to being irrelevant damage in teamfights because he doesn't know when to go from Q range to auto range--otherwise he has the Corki problem.

In short, there's a reason that infographic you posted has Caitlyn as the most played champion in the game.

[ex cathedra]

In short, there's a reason that infographic you posted has Caitlyn as the most played champion in the game.

yeah, but is there a reason that is has her with a losing win rate? :D

but i see what you're saying. i don't really encounter cait in the laning phase ever so i'm definitely not an expert.

[Math_Mage]

yeah, but is there a reason that is has her with a losing win rate?
Yep! Sampling bias: because she's easy to play, more baddies play her.

[Olinser]

Corki has never dominated a game I've played in, therefore I see no need to ban him. In fact I have only ever witnessed him played by Playgrounders when doing 5 queue normals, and of the few times that's happened our bot lane has lost horribly. Congratulations, some people who waste vast amounts of resources doing this instead of something productive for a living figured out how to break the game with him or whatever, but if the people I actually play with have they aren't letting on. I've said it before and I'll say it again, professional team play is a different game from bronze/silver solo queue. It isn't played the same way, the same situations do not crop up, therefore the same champions are not always optimal.

Corki is banned for much the same reason other FOTM champions like Zed are banned.

People see them played/banned at worlds and think they can be Faker or Uzi.

So they play a champion in ranked they have no skill and no familiarity with.

In all honesty, people are banning Corki just as much so their teammate can't play him and be terrible at him as they are afraid of having a good Corki on the other team.

[Renegade Paladin]

Corki is banned for much the same reason other FOTM champions like Zed are banned.

People see them played/banned at worlds and think they can be Faker or Uzi.

So they play a champion in ranked they have no skill and no familiarity with.
I'm familiar with the effect. I giggle every time the other team first picks Shen and sucks at him. :smalltongue:

[Olinser]

Yep! Sampling bias: because she's easy to play, more baddies play her.

Wasn't there a site at one point that broke down the champion win/loss ratios by ranked tier?

[ex cathedra]

Yep! Sampling bias: because she's easy to play, more baddies play her.
her winrate remains low at diamond and challenger tier.


Corki is banned for much the same reason other FOTM champions like Zed are banned.
i think that zed is banned for other reasons. most of them involve him being really good and, while not easy to master, easy to play to success.


People see them played/banned at worlds and think they can be Faker or Uzi.
Uzi isn't even a Corki player. Almost all of the super-hyped ADC players are Caitlyn/Vayne mains.

[Olinser]

her winrate remains low at diamond and challenger tier.


i think that zed is banned for other reasons. most of them involve him being really good and, while not easy to master, easy to play to success.


Uzi isn't even a Corki player. Almost all of the super-hyped ADC players are Caitlyn/Vayne mains.

Whatever, Piglet then. You knew what I meant, don't get nitpicky and focus on the wrong part of the statement.

[ex cathedra]

Whatever, Piglet then. You knew what I meant, don't get nitpicky and focus on the wrong part of the statement.

piglet is also mostly known for his ez/cait/vayne, i think that he'd barely ever played corki up until the last half of this tournament

also i honestly thought that all of your statements were wrong ;)

[Ashen Lilies]

shhhhh no tears only dreams

[Happy Gravity]

Corki has never dominated a game I've played in, therefore I see no need to ban him.
I have flat-out lost games simply because our bot lane got wrecked by Corki. His trades are brutal and way easy, he's ridiculously strong with Tri-Force, and trying to shove waves onto a team with a strong Corki is all-but impossible.
Also building defenses against him is pretty pointless. His damage is high, but spread across the spectrum. Magic damage, true damage, and armor shred...haha. :smallsigh:

He's worth a ban in my book.

[Math_Mage]

her winrate remains low at diamond and challenger tier.
All right, I went and looked up the numbers. First thing to note is that in solo queue across regions, Cait has a good record in bronze/silver that declines going to diamond. Second thing is that I did say I wasn't making a point about Cait's overall strength, so I made no predictions about Cait's winrate at high Elo. However, the numbers for NA solo queue alone do show a general pattern of just over 49% winrate, which is difficult to explain with Elo-specific trends like the explanation I was advocating. So I'll have to rethink my assumptions.

[ex cathedra]

All right, I went and looked up the numbers. First thing to note is that in solo queue across regions, Cait has a good record in bronze/silver that declines going to diamond. Second thing is that I did say I wasn't making a point about Cait's overall strength, so I made no predictions about Cait's winrate at high Elo. However, the numbers for NA solo queue alone do show a general pattern of just over 49% winrate, which is difficult to explain with Elo-specific trends like the explanation I was advocating. So I'll have to rethink my assumptions.

i made it pretty clear that i expected cait's w/r to be low in low elo and high in high elo, so as far as assumptions re: cait go you're not doing too poorly

[Thomas Cardew]

I know that your first ten matches are worth significantly more towards placement, but I was wondering what happens if you dodge them? Does it count as a lost game, or just a lost placement match? ex. dodge one 9 left.

Placement matches can be dodged without loss.

Dodging games in a promotional series result in a lost game in that series.

Dodging a game outside of those cases lowers your lp by 3.

All dodges come with a delay timer.

[Renegade Paladin]

Oh my God.

The other team got Xin jungle. I wound up with support.

I told our jungler that Xin would probably invade our red. I then warded red before going to lane.

Xin walked right up to the ward in the bush. Our jungler totally ignored him, started taking red with him standing right there, and died. I'd say it was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen in game, except the Ez I was supporting kind of just stood in the middle of their entire team during their blue invade and died without reacting. :smallannoyed:

[toasty]

cait is ezmode for competent players, i suspect that she's much less faceroll in the hands of players who can't properly farm, zone, harass, stutterstep, or animation cancel.

corki is literally press Q, right click, win trade for the first 8 minutes of the game. he gets even easier once you get R.

Aether is correct. The amount of melee ranged Caits that exist in Solo Queue make me think I could be a good Silver ADC. :smalltongue:


In low Elo? Hell, I'd probably ban Cait over Corki at low Elo just 'cause she's way more ezmode than Corki is. (Not that I would actually ban Cait...and I'm certainly not commenting on overall strength.)

More broadly, I'd focus my bans away from ADC in low Elo, because ADCs aren't playmakers at that Elo.

This too. ADCs rarely have much impact unless they are getting constantly dove or something, in which case they likely have a negative impact. :smallbiggrin:

[Joran]

Placement matches can be dodged without loss.


This was my experience.



This too. ADCs rarely have much impact unless they are getting constantly dove or something, in which case they likely have a negative impact. :smallbiggrin:

That's why I play Ashe. I may not be able to last hit worth a crap, but I WILL land those arrows =P

[9mm]

As stated ADCs at low Elo are rarely primary bans, though some will still see bannings. That said Corki is redonkulous, and I might add, always has been. It took massive, repeated nerfs (many aimed at bruisers) and the addition of Vayne to knock Corki from his damage throne. You either Picked Corki for the damage, or anyone else for "reasons." And while Vayne did in fact dethrone Corki for awhile, the big suprise is how long it took for the pros to remember how good Corki is outside of league of health. All it took was his best item to get borked and suddenly everyone remembered, Corki the guy shreds armor, has an escape, spam able nukes, and a passive true damage steroid: might be good right now.

[Anarion]

That's why I play Ashe. I may not be able to last hit worth a crap, but I WILL land those arrows =P

Whenever someone says that they suck at last hitting, I see a person that could probably move up several levels in ranked with less than a day's practice.

[Math_Mage]

As stated ADCs at low Elo are rarely primary bans, though some will still see bannings. That said Corki is redonkulous, and I might add, always has been. It took massive, repeated nerfs (many aimed at bruisers) and the addition of Vayne to knock Corki from his damage throne. You either Picked Corki for the damage, or anyone else for "reasons." And while Vayne did in fact dethrone Corki for awhile, the big suprise is how long it took for the pros to remember how good Corki is outside of league of health. All it took was his best item to get borked and suddenly everyone remembered, Corki the guy shreds armor, has an escape, spam able nukes, and a passive true damage steroid: might be good right now.
It helped that they made it possible to use his escape without immediately running out of mana.

[Socratov]

Oh my God.

The other team got Xin jungle. I wound up with support.

I told our jungler that Xin would probably invade our red. I then warded red before going to lane.

Xin walked right up to the ward in the bush. Our jungler totally ignored him, started taking red with him standing right there, and died. I'd say it was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen in game, except the Ez I was supporting kind of just stood in the middle of their entire team during their blue invade and died without reacting. :smallannoyed:

well, it depends, did you get blamed for their failings? If so, welcome to playing support.

[NotAEvilToaster]

Hey. I mostly lurk in this thread, but I figured I could use some adviec. I'm a silver 3 player, but woul probably be a bit higher if I had better placements and/or played more ranked. I was mostly inquiring into some tips, tricks, and techniques to improve my adc game, which is less than stellar.

[Winthur]

Hey. I mostly lurk in this thread, but I figured I could use some adviec. I'm a silver 3 player, but woul probably be a bit higher if I had better placements and/or played more ranked. I was mostly inquiring into some tips, tricks, and techniques to improve my adc game, which is less than stellar.

ADC, you say?
Do you know the Attack-Move Technique?
It's an age-old technique used in RTS games for a long time now and it involves the use of the humble "A" button of your keyboard.
Basically, the purpose of this button for you is to make kiting more comfortable.
A typical AD carry playstyle in teamfights is to stay at your maximum possible range and pew pew at the closest enemy - since you are a primary damage dealer, you don't have to focus anyone, and in fact you don't have the tankiness to get into the fray and focus people.
If you play ADC, you should know the range of your champion(s) already, and ideally, you want to keep an imaginary leash between the closest target and yourself that is equal to your max range. Something like:

@ @
you enemy frontline
you just imagine a leash between your human ranger and the enemy crocodile barbarian like so:

@---------@

You want to make sure this imaginary leash stays like this, as tight as possible, and you do your best to make sure it doesn't become any lower.

The Attack Move helps with that. You press A, you click on the ground, and your champion will choose the closest possible enemy to shoot at if there's someone in range. If not, he'll move to the place you told him to move and autoattack as soon as someone gets into his range.

It's the easiest to practice on Caitlyn, on whom abusing her range is absolutely everything (as others have pointed out), but any of your favourite ADC's will do.

You don't necessarily need to do that for kiting, and it also doesn't really work too well in lane arrangements (you don't want to start hitting a minion in the middle of a damage trade), but in 5v5s, where your mechanics might be clunky (I know mine are!), you might find yourself accidentally moving forward where you wanted to move back and leave yourself open to the enemy frontline in this way. Attack move helps to stay at your maximum range and kite better.

Another thing to note is that you should prioritize your life as an ADC. People will want you dead, because you're the squishiest, yet - at least by late game - hold the most damage. Kiting helps, but another thing you should take note of is counting the enemy CC and learning to respond to them.

You don't want to show up early to the fight if there's a Malphite or Zed or another diver. If your team won't peel for you - and honestly, in silver, they probably won't - you might have to wait for the first cooldowns to be blown. Keep in mind who is in the enemy team and what can you do to keep yourself alive. A good player knows his cooldowns, a great player knows the enemy cooldowns. It comes down to knowledge that is gained from playing the game, so don't feel bad for not being able to recite skillsets.

Also, if 'NeonPie' on NA truly is your name on LoL, then you don't have an AD carry page yet, which is one of the most basic pages you can have, and it's useful for pretty much any champion that has any AD scaling. Get yourself AD reds and quints (or, if you want the most optimal AD carry page, get two lifesteal quints and 1 AD quint) and run the classic AD/Armor/Magic Resist/AD page. It will make your life more comfortable overall.

Also, obviously: learn to last hit as perfectly as possible (and by that I mean, try to never miss a minion!) and learn to control the lane (this comes with practice, but basically learn when to shove the lane, learn at which levels do you have the advantage over the enemy, abuse the enemy if you gained another level faster than they did, learn how to deny farm, learn how to trade properly).

The above are complete basics. Did you have something more specific in mind?

[Artanis]

So I bought Ezreal a few day ago during the sale, and have really been liking him. I will always love Tristana in a way that I keep telling myself is totally not creepy, but I can see why Ezreal gets picked a hell of a lot more often at the higher levels. Simply put, Ezreal is just plain better unless you want to do something very, very specific, and AD-scaling abilities make him much simpler to build.

Ezreal's power is even bigger at my level of play*. At this level, most players have a hard time recognizing when poke damage is reaching dangerous levels, don't really know what more than one or two champions can really do, and tend to build glass cannons. As such, Trueshot Barrage usually does terrible, terrible damage to anybody who doesn't notice the sneaky 6+ Ezreal who just so happens to have wandered past the edge of the minion ball.

Also, killing 5 or 6 minions from your own fountain is absolutely hilarious :smallbiggrin: . Not a good idea to try, but hilarious.



*I've only just recently started seeing games where more than 50% of the Champions being played aren't in that week's free rotation.

[Winthur]

I will always love Tristana in a way that I keep telling myself is totally not creepy

You won't beat I am LOD, I don't think (http://i.imgur.com/9cUsEg8.png)


but I can see why Ezreal gets picked a hell of a lot more often at the higher levels. Simply put, Ezreal is just plain better unless you want to do something very, very specific, and AD-scaling abilities make him much simpler to build.

Ezreal's power is even bigger at my level of play*. At this level, most players have a hard time recognizing when poke damage is reaching dangerous levels, don't really know what more than one or two champions can really do, and tend to build glass cannons. As such, Trueshot Barrage usually does terrible, terrible damage to anybody who doesn't notice the sneaky 6+ Ezreal who just so happens to have wandered past the end of the minion ball.

I don't think you're quite noticing the reason for why Ezreal is picked more. Well, maybe not fully.

At your level Tristana is just as good if not better, because she has really strong all ins at level 2 and 6. You pair up with Alistar, Blitz, Thresh or Leona and you destroy people; Ezreal's burst isn't that big. That, and she boasts one of the best late game skillsets in the game because of her range, jump, and the ability to self-peel with ult.

Ezreal is picked because he's a safe, mobile pick that isn't easy to shutdown and because his mid game is good while Tristana's mid game is bad because she doesn't amount to a whole lot without BotRK and/or IE after the base damage on her skills stops being so valuable. Tristana is also more easily countered by things like Caitlyn, which is again a non-issue on your level. Plus, Tristana's escape is clunky, Ezreal's escape is godlike.

Also, Tristana having no AD scaling on skills still doesn't mean her build is really that different from everyone else's. She will still output more physical damage than Ezreal in the late game just because of her range and her huge attack speed steroid. She just has to get BotRK and IE and then get all the other ADC items. ADC role has the most straightforward builds in the whole game, really. I'd say Ezreal has more options and depth when it comes to builds because there's at least, like, three more or less viable AD Ezreal builds (with Triforce one being the most popular) and there's still the decision of which boots you want (other ADCs pretty much always want Berserkers, Ezreal can go Lucidity and doesn't get hurt much if he goes Mercs for instance).

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Lilypichu's tl;dr Worlds. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9i4FQIz84). Amusing, accurate and of course totes adorbz.

[Winthur]

Lilypichu's tl;dr Worlds. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9i4FQIz84). Amusing, accurate and of course totes adorbz.

I keep replaying the first 7 seconds because best yaoi ever

even better than tsm's godlike teamwork

[Forrestfire]

I don't have my headphones with me, so I watched that with no sound.

The corki/triforce bit was probably much more amusing than it should have been...

[Anarion]

Lilypichu's tl;dr Worlds. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9i4FQIz84). Amusing, accurate and of course totes adorbz.

It's a perfect recreation of worlds. No detail was ignored.

[Ashen Lilies]

Aaaaaaaaah. Why did no one tell me this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebz0lVVbRho) was a thing?

~Thresh Hook!~
doo-doo-doo
~Pull you from a-far~

[MCerberus]

Aaaaaaaaah. Why did no one tell me this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebz0lVVbRho) was a thing?

~Thresh Hook!~
doo-doo-doo
~Pull you from a-far~

It was a thing in the sense Nami mid was a thing.
People did it, it was never good, then they went back to being ward-indentured.

[Ashen Lilies]

I meant the song. I'm just going to play it whenever I play Thresh. It's so cheerful.

[NotAEvilToaster]

Thanks, Winthur. The only reason I don't have an ADC page is mostly because Rune pages cost a lot of ip I could be using to get champions, though I'm slowly getting a rune setup. I mostly play miss fortune when ADC, for the record. Most of the teamfight stuff I knew, but I didn't know about Attack Move, which'll probably be pretty helpful! I know Aether mentioned a few other things like stutterstepping I've never heard of, though? What's that, for example?

[Olinser]

It was a thing in the sense Nami mid was a thing.
People did it, it was never good, then they went back to being ward-indentured.

With the Flay nerfs, I understand that non-support Thresh has been pretty much killed.

[Joran]

Whenever someone says that they suck at last hitting, I see a person that could probably move up several levels in ranked with less than a day's practice.

Ooh, ooh, so that means I really belong in Gold?!

I doubt a day's practice would help me that much; mechanically, I need to get much better and I need to learn to lane. I got to Silver by basically spamming Jungle and Darius top (this was before Elise/Jayce was a thing).

The problem being that I have maybe 4-5 hours a week to play League in short hour, two hour blocks. Having a full-time job + two young kids + a wife tends to put a damper on games that require a lot of reps to play well, especially when I didn't play DotA or any RTS games well, so my underlying mechanics aren't there.

[Siosilvar]

I know Aether mentioned a few other things like stutterstepping I've never heard of, though? What's that, for example?

Stutter-stepping is attacking, then using the time between that attack and your next to move a short distance. It makes chasing and kiting a lot easier, especially at medium attack speeds (low AS and your attacks take too long, high AS and you're working at medium AS anyway unless you're really good with a mouse).

You may also hear it called orbwalking in League, but that's a term from DotA that doesn't have any League equivalent - in DotA, people could single-cast their attack modifiers (think Ashe's Frost Shot or Cho's spikes), and spells didn't draw turret aggro, so you could repeatedly cast the ability (usually combined with stutter-stepping) to get autoattacks under tower without taking turret shots. This isn't possible in League because all damage draws turret aggro and you can't single-cast them anyway.

[Dallas-Dakota]

So today I played from silver III to Silver I 88 points...

Let's try for gold!

Two games later...Feeders and leavers: LOLNOPE.

:smallsigh:

[Olinser]

So today I played from silver III to Silver I 88 points...

Let's try for gold!

Two games later...Feeders and leavers: LOLNOPE.

:smallsigh:

Meh, it happens, don't get discouraged. I was in the Gold promo series a week or two ago before going on an EPIC losing streak that lasted 7 games and dropped me all the way to Silver II. Now I'm back in Silver I and slowly climbing back.

Still got nearly 4 weeks before the end of the season! Don't lose hope!

[Dallas-Dakota]

And another gone because of a dc and a intentional feeder...But I'l try to keep hope.

Just done for tonight.:smallannoyed:

Ended 13/2/1 or such...But yeah..I can carry only so much with a dc and a intentional feeder...

Wait, only four weeks left? That went fast. o.0

[Olinser]

And another gone because of a dc and a intentional feeder...But I'l try to keep hope.

Just done for tonight.:smallannoyed:

Ended 13/2/1 or such...But yeah..I can carry only so much with a dc and a intentional feeder...

Wait, only four weeks left? That went fast. o.0

Yeah its depressing sometimes. Sometimes what you need is just to take a break and go play some ARAMs or something to get your mind right again.

[Terazul]

So the workaround for the crazy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZjTjbiCUs8) games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZjMb-qbOP8) where you could play all of the same champion versus themselves is getting disabled towards the end of the week.

But, it's going to become an official game mode (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/10/official-statement-on-one-for-all-mode.html#more) with matchmaking so all is good.

[Happy Gravity]

Jinx is adorable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs)

[Forrestfire]

I really liked the mix of 2D animated explosions and other effects with the 3D of the video. Gj riot.

[TechnOkami]

Jinx is adorable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs)

That... was really really cool.

[Eldariel]

5v5 Alistar Only has to be the best game mode ever. It's like sumo wrestling, the only way to really get kills is to kick somebody to a tower and lock them there. Then again, you have 5 knockbacks so getting someone to a tower isn't hard and trample aggroes towers real easy even under minions. Then there's Unbreakable Will.

[Woodzyowl]

5v5 Alistar Only has to be the best game mode ever. It's like sumo wrestling, the only way to really get kills is to kick somebody to a tower and lock them there. Then again, you have 5 knockbacks so getting someone to a tower isn't hard and trample aggroes towers real easy even under minions. Then there's Unbreakable Will.

Not enough cows. We need more to supply McDravens with beef.

[Merellis]

5v5 Lee Sin only. o___o

[Siosilvar]

5v5 Lee Sin only. o___o

Do want, if only because it would confuse the heck out of most people.

[NineThePuma]

5v5 Ultimate Bravery Kayle.

[Ashen Lilies]

5v5 Poppy

5 choices. Only 1 answer. Who... is Diplomatically Immune?

[Renegade Paladin]

Jinx is adorable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs)
Adorable, and thoroughly chaotic evil. I'm still going through with the blind pick hunting plan when she's released. :smalltongue:

[Red Rubber Band]

5v5 Poppy

5 choices. Only 1 answer. Who... is Diplomatically Immune?

Hahahahaha :smallamused:

[Math_Mage]

5v5 Ezreals with aether. Standing still for one second equals death. Time for a true display of skill!


Jinx is adorable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs)
Quite a ride.

[Hullabaloo]

Aaaaaaaaah. Why did no one tell me this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebz0lVVbRho) was a thing?

~Thresh Hook!~
doo-doo-doo
~Pull you from a-far~

Thanks, first try today for Sona and I get ADC Thresh. It did not go as well as the video, needless to say...

But ya, that song is great:)

[ex cathedra]

5v5 Ezreals with aether. Standing still for one second equals death. Time for a true display of skill!

5v5 ezreal was easymode both times i did it. 5v5 sona crushed me. :[ why is that champ so hard

[Farix]

Should I bother picking up Tier 2 runes at level 10 or just hold out for the Tier 3s at 20?

[Clarkson]

I'd suggest waiting, but check in with other more experienced people that have played in the past month.

[Siosilvar]

Tier 1s are okay because they're cheap and Tier 3s are okay because they're the maximum effect. Tier 2 runes are never ever worth it.

Also, rune combiner is a trap too. You get runes for slightly cheaper on average but you get a completely random rune no matter what you put in, so you've got a ~1 in 3 chance of it being remotely useful (discounting quints), and only about half of the ones that are maximum effect in a given slot are any good outside of specific circumstances (for example, not much is worth taking in yellows except armor and leveled HP). Also it can and will give you a 10th rune of any given type which is completely useless.

[Nerocite]

Jinx is adorable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs)

Miles above the Vi song.

[NineThePuma]

I feel like if the Vi song had come with Vi beating up a bunch of evil robots, we'd probably say they can compete, but I will agree that a music video makes the song way better.

[Godskook]

I feel like if the Vi song had come with Vi beating up a bunch of evil robots, we'd probably say they can compete, but I will agree that a music video makes the song way better.

I feel like Vi's song is better, but not by a lot, and like you said, the video makes it hard to compete on even ground.

[MCerberus]

Jinx is adorable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs)

Better Tank Girl movie than Tank Girl.

Also Piltover is officially Gotham. We've got Commissioner Caitlyn, Bat-Vi, and now the joker. Plus SuperJayce occasionally fights Viktoriac and some other odd super-powered guys come around to chill.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Bat-vi? I thought it was bat-vayne?

[MCerberus]

Bat-vi? I thought it was bat-vayne?

But Vayne isn't in Piltover... and that would make Vi into Catwoman.
#shipping

[Ashen Lilies]

Support goes Legendary... gg?


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x280/kriskatarn/LoL%20Screencaps/LegendarySupport_zpsf8704016.png

Okay, so I'm playing 'Support' Lee Sin, which is basically cheating, but still.

[Forrestfire]

Man... I just got carried so freaking hard in my last ranked game (got shut down as lux early on, didn't have the damage to keep up).

I always sucks to be the bad one on a team... :smallfrown:

[brutii]

My recent match history suggests I am "that guy" who needs to be carried roughly as often as I am that guy who totally stomps his lane and carries the team on his back.

Also, at least Anarion got more kills alongside a Lee Sin than he did against mine :P

EDIT: Also, according to Reddit there's an issue atm where wards are simply despawning at random. Supposedly people are seeing up to 20% of their wards simply disappear after 5-30 seconds. My own testing indicates they are likely full of rubbish.

[ChaosOS]

You know what sucks? Being at high ELO and getting the short end of the stick and hitting a premade because there's nobody else and your queue took 15 minutes.

[Anarion]

Support goes Legendary... gg?


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x280/kriskatarn/LoL%20Screencaps/LegendarySupport_zpsf8704016.png

Okay, so I'm playing 'Support' Lee Sin, which is basically cheating, but still.

AT LEAST I REMEMBERED TO BUY BOOTS BEFORE THE GAME ENDED. That is, nice play, very well done.


My recent match history suggests I am "that guy" who needs to be carried roughly as often as I am that guy who totally stomps his lane and carries the team on his back.

Also, at least Anarion got more kills alongside a Lee Sin than he did against mine :P

EDIT: Also, according to Reddit there's an issue atm where wards are simply despawning at random. Supposedly people are seeing up to 20% of their wards simply disappear after 5-30 seconds.

Haven't had the ward issue yet, I'll watch out for that tomorrow.

And yes, I did get more kills than against you. Infinite % more, in fact.

[Red Rubber Band]

Support goes Legendary... gg?


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x280/kriskatarn/LoL%20Screencaps/LegendarySupport_zpsf8704016.png

Okay, so I'm playing 'Support' Lee Sin, which is basically cheating, but still.

Recently had an amazing game on Sona (as support). Ended up solo pushing bot after getting myself and my ADC horribly, horribly fed (ADC left to go have fun on the rest of the map, turned into a "hunt the enemy" style game). It's a bad day for the enemy team when your support can solo anyone.

[Ashen Lilies]

Apparently I'm an AD Carry now.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x280/kriskatarn/LoL%20Screencaps/SuddenlyADC_zpsce472861.png

This surprises me as much as anyone.

And then next game I get demolished by Ashe x Annie botlane but okay.

[Holocron Coder]

Jinx is adorable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs)

... Jinx enjoys firing that gun a little bit too much :smalleek:

If you know what I mean. :smallwink:

[Olinser]

Support goes Legendary... gg?


http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x280/kriskatarn/LoL%20Screencaps/LegendarySupport_zpsf8704016.png

Okay, so I'm playing 'Support' Lee Sin, which is basically cheating, but still.

How has that Fiddlesticks managed to keep that name?

[PersonMan]

You know what sucks?

Speaking of things that suck: Dominating your lane, getting over half of your team's kills as ADC and then being able to do nothing because your team can't protect you at all and the enemy team is shielding the enemy ADC perfectly.

Fiddle + Rammus + Zyra = I don't want to be ADC anymore please CC someone else

[Winthur]

Speaking of things that suck: Dominating your lane, getting over half of your team's kills as ADC and then being able to do nothing because your team can't protect you at all and the enemy team is shielding the enemy ADC perfectly.
It sucks indeed. It's less of a problem if you play more utility based carries like Varus or Ashe, or if you play something with self-peel (though that's only Trist to my recollection).


Fiddle + Rammus + Zyra = I don't want to be ADC anymore please CC someone else

If this happens in draft, may I suggest getting Cleanse?
Also, you should buy Merc Treads (I know this sounds obvious but many people just tunnel-vision on Berserker Greaves no matter what) and/or Quicksilver Sash against those squads IMHO.
Either that or you perfectly count how long is the cooldown on their CC and only go in when they blow it somewhere else - kind of a gargantuan feat if you ask me.

[PersonMan]

It sucks indeed. It's less of a problem if you play more utility based carries like Varus or Ashe, or if you play something with self-peel (though that's only Trist to my recollection).

I was playing Trist.


If this happens in draft, may I suggest getting Cleanse?
Also, you should buy Merc Treads (I know this sounds obvious but many people just tunnel-vision on Berserker Greaves no matter what) and/or Quicksilver Sash against those squads IMHO.

The issue was more that, if I got anywhere near a fight (our frontline was Shaco and an anemic, gold-starved Lee Sin who generally got caught before the big fight) I would get hit by all their CC in quick succession - 45% tenacity won't help if I'm feared by the time the snare is half over, then dead before Rammus' taunt even makes me turn to attack him.


Either that or you perfectly count how long is the cooldown on their CC and only go in when they blow it somewhere else - kind of a gargantuan feat if you ask me.

I pulled off going in when they used their CC a few times, but generally it was 3v5 by then and even if I triple killed it didn't keep them from regrouping to push down our few remaining turrets.

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In hindsight, there were a few places where I could have afforded more aggression, but this is just a place where me having all the gold gave us the issue that, although their team had less total kills than us for most of the game, they had a more even spread, as their mid and top both won lane.

[Wolf_Haley]

Speaking of things that suck: Dominating your lane, getting over half of your team's kills as ADC and then being able to do nothing because your team can't protect you at all and the enemy team is shielding the enemy ADC perfectly.

Fiddle + Rammus + Zyra = I don't want to be ADC anymore please CC someone else
Welcome to my past couple Pantheon games.