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Vaz
2013-10-08, 04:09 AM
Just wondering if there are any of these knocking about? This includes application of LA0 templates.

A_S
2013-10-08, 04:38 AM
You mean, like, a natural attack with a poison they secrete themselves, not just the Poison Use ability, right?

Vaz
2013-10-08, 04:40 AM
Yes, if possible, please.

HalfQuart
2013-10-08, 05:02 PM
Well, it's wicked cheesy, but the Hairy Spider in Monsters of Faerun (p80), which has a really lame poison attack, was updated in a Web Enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040313a) to be LA +0. It really probably should have been LA +0 (cohort) or something, since it isn't really playable seeing as it has "Int --" (which I've never understood for Vermin).

Can you Awaken a vermin? Awaken says you can use it on an animal or tree... "animal" is a particular type, but "tree" isn't, so maybe it means "animal" in the normal English sense of the word and not the D&D type? Probably not.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2013-10-08, 05:14 PM
The Hidden Talent feat (XPH p67) for Psionic Minor Creation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/minorCreationPsionic.htm) can make poisons, or just make a Psion (Shaper). You're not automatically immune to this poison, though you could make your character a Warforged for immunity to all poisons (and Warforged Shapers are awesome), or you could spend a feat on Poison Immunity (BoVD) for one specific type of poison that you always use (Black Lotus Extract (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#poison)). If using Hidden Talent you'll want a means of gaining additional powerpoints, possibly with a naturally psionic race or just a pile of 1-point Cognizance Crystals (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/cognizanceCrystals.htm).

Piggy Knowles
2013-10-08, 05:29 PM
If feats and things are allowed, anything with Animal Devotion can produce poison.

Vaz
2013-10-08, 05:33 PM
Feats would work, thanks Piggy! Unfortunately, it's not a matter of making a poison, but more a matter of having that natural attack. S'all good though now!

Ravens_cry
2013-10-08, 05:44 PM
Can you Awaken a vermin? Awaken says you can use it on an animal or tree... "animal" is a particular type, but "tree" isn't, so maybe it means "animal" in the normal English sense of the word and not the D&D type? Probably not.
No, but Pathfinder has the Vermin Heart (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/vermin-heart) feat, which would let you to use Awaken on them. Not very helpful, but potentially, depending on how your DM feels about Pathfinder.

mabriss lethe
2013-10-08, 10:48 PM
For poisonous natural attacks, I'd go with a human Psychic Warrior. You can still pick up hidden talent to grab Minor Creation. Also pick up Master of Poisons from Drow of the Underdark. It grants you the effects of Poison Use and lets you apply a poison as a swift action. For your first level PW power, grab Claws of the Beast.

Psyren
2013-10-08, 11:45 PM
Vishkanyas (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/uncommon-races/arg-vishkanyas) from Pathfinder are a LA 0, snakelike race that can spit poison onto their weapon as a swift action, and the poison DC scales with their level.

TiaC
2013-10-09, 02:55 AM
Anthropomorphic Viper, Large or huge, have 2 or three HD but no LA.