Witch Archetype: Warlock Question [PF]

[TabletopGamer]

I was curious if anyone had gotten a chance to play test this.
The Warlock Witch Archetype (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/cartmanbeck-s-lab/warlock-witch-archetype)

It looks like it might be pretty well fair and balanced, but I am a big fan of the 3.5 version and I am not sure about the Times per day limit, due to the 3.5s unlimited. But they did make it a 10d6 at lvl 19.

Anyone think this is better then some of the other Converts out there?

I saw one convert I cannot remember were but they suggested a Feat to increase the d6 to a d8 at early levels and up to a d10 at medium range and maybe d12s at 18th and up. They used when you get the Progression of the Invocations from Lesser (d8), Greater (d10), Dark (d12). Think that would work as homebrew Feat?

[IronFist]

I didn't like it. Maybe I should cook a Warlock archetype of some sort.

[TabletopGamer]

What exactly don't you like? This is basically Homebrew but I am curious I like the feel but yeah its not perfect.

[IronFist]

It has basically nothing that made the 3.5 Warlock unique - 24-hour buffs and at-will magic. Even the eldritch blast is limited in times per day!
What I would do:
1) Keep some sort of "pact" power source. It's cool and it works, I just think they were mistaken in stealing from the Sorcerer. I think it could use the Witch Patron list and get one Patron at a time, while getting pact boons like the Occultist gets.
2) The Warlock would get at-will spell like abilities, like he did in 3.5. He would get more of them, of course.
3) On the side, he would get eldritch blast progression. Essences and shapes could be part of the "pact boons".
4) 3/4 BAB and d8 Hit Dice. Failing that, a class feature (pact boon?) that gets attack bonus and bonus hit points. Could be a boon connected to some of the Patrons.

[TabletopGamer]

Well aren't Hexes basically At Will special abilities?

What if you got the Patron spells as Spell-Like Abilities useable x/day based on Int?

[IronFist]

Well aren't Hexes basically At Will special abilities?

Yeah, but for the Warlock it was meat and potatoes, for the Witch it's a side dish.
I guess that's what I would do, decrease the spellcasting considerably and add some side abilities for hexes. Something like that.

[Cog]

It's basically a Witch with 3.5-style Focused Specialist, except your specialist slots are all relatively weak blasts. I'm not too familiar with the PF spell lists, but I'm pretty sure an actual specialist evoker could pull these abilities off better.

[Psyren]

Well aren't Hexes basically At Will special abilities?

They're generally only usable once per target, so they're only at-will in the sense that you don't run out, not at-will in the sense that they're spammable.

In addition to IronFist's objections, I also dislike the idea of warlocks being prepared casters. Warlockery(?) is supposed to be easy, even easier than sorcery.

[TabletopGamer]

Agreed but they did give a lot of specialty ones for this archetype on top of the Hexes that exist already. Meaning they have more then the normal one. And Extra Hex is useful for picking them up.

Psyren I agree so you would get ride of the Grimiore and make them Spontaneous casters?

[navar100]

I think you're better off just using the warlock class itself in Pathfinder, adapting as necessary such as class skill list, racial favored class bonuses, etc. You can take the opportunity to "fix" any issues you may have. Personally I think the class could use a few more invocations known and DR 1/2 class level/Cold Iron

[TabletopGamer]

That school ability never made sense and of course, not staples.

Also I think the Essence and the Shapes are not limited in that way to be one use. And It doesn't exactly say that of the Warlocks Hexes. A simple ruling that they can use Hexes multiple times might be useful.

[Cog]

Something I just remembered: The Cryptic (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/cryptic), though psionic, makes a pretty good 3.5-style Warlock. It even has a Glaivelock analogue with the Brutal Disruptor archetype. The manifesting is still per-day, but at least it's spontaneous, while the Disrupt Pattern and most of the Insights are at-will.

[TabletopGamer]

The Third Party Warlock is not very good, its wording it poor and its theme is mostly a wizard sampling various things.

What is the difference in School Ability, Power, and Spell because I am not seeing anything that denote a difference on this listing.

What I would do personally is take the 3.5, Give it d8 for HD, Make the Eldritch blast do a d8 every other level (Same as a Gunslinger's Pistol) at a range of 60 ft for 1 target. Might even have it add Level Damage after 5th level or something so at 20 its 10d8+20 at will power blast. Might also give it Iterative Attacks at -5 like normal. So at 8th and 15th level it can fire one more Eldritch blast a turn.

Give them a Invocation each level, Grant the Power increases as normal on the list. But add in the DFA's Invocations to their list of potential known Invocations. Maybe even add Witches Hexes as Invocations as well. At Lvl 20 they would have 20 to choose from, more with spending Feats. All cast as the At-Wills the normal Invocations used to be.

I would increase the DR so that at 20 you would be sitting at DR 15 or 20 (Maybe DR 2 at lvl 1, Dr 5 at 4 and scale it up every two levels it increases till you reach 15 or 20.
As well as their Fast Heal ability to sit at 10 at lvl 20 but progression along a 2/4/6/8/10 progression from lvl 1 on.

I have seen a Homebrew that treats The Eldritch Blast as a touch of Corruption ability and scales along with it, meaning it inflicts cool abilities as well as damage.

[TabletopGamer]

Here is another Homebrew, it looks promising actually.
Here (http://www.pathfinderdb.com/character-options/classes/full-class-list/1414-warlock)