Roy took ranks in ride

[Kornaki]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0141.html

Elan is presented as being much better at ride than Roy, and now in the current comic Elan falls off the dinosaur while Roy stays on.... any bets that Roy maxed out ride when he leveled up just so he could get back to a world where he was more competent than Elan?

[Muenster Man]

Since Roy held on, I assumed it was a grapple check. Although I don't think the rules really cover what happens when your walking mount accidentally rolls forward.

Or maybe it was a ride check, but the situation called for it to be modified by a Strength check instead of a Dexterity check.

Or maybe Elan and Belkar just rolled poorly. :smallfrown:

I don't think Roy has ridden anything in the meantime to warrant max ranks in the ride skill.

[Ramien]

Since Roy held on, I assumed it was a grapple check. Although I don't think the rules really cover what happens when your walking mount accidentally rolls forward.

Or maybe it was a ride check, but the situation called for it to be modified by a Strength check instead of a Dexterity check.

Or maybe Elan and Belkar just rolled poorly. :smallfrown:

I don't think Roy has ridden anything in the meantime to warrant max ranks in the ride skill.

If you look at it right, he spent strips 484 - 664 "riding the pine".

[Cerussite]

Since Roy held on, I assumed it was a grapple check. Although I don't think the rules really cover what happens when your walking mount accidentally rolls forward.

Or maybe it was a ride check, but the situation called for it to be modified by a Strength check instead of a Dexterity check.

Or maybe Elan and Belkar just rolled poorly. :smallfrown:

I don't think Roy has ridden anything in the meantime to warrant max ranks in the ride skill.
Well, Haley asserts on OotPCs that you don't actually need to spend time training the skill as long as you're gaining XP.

[Muenster Man]

Well, Haley asserts on OotPCs that you don't actually need to spend time training the skill as long as you're gaining XP.

Yet another reason why I need to buy the prequels

[Everyl]

I doubt he maxed Ride out entirely, but I wouldn't be surprised if he at least invested a few more ranks in it. Also, it seems like the kind of situation where dice luck could easily account for who did and did not fall off.

EDIT:
Actually, at second glance, Roy is the only one who had both hands on the big guy when the two dinosaurs clashed. Both Elan and Belkar had their hands either in the air or, in Belkar's case, maybe holding the invisible reins (he was still hanging onto them when they became visible again in page 2, panel 5, anyway). Regardless, Roy was the only one concentrating on staying on the dino's back.

[Blisstake]

Also, Elan's holding onto Roy for support, while Roy's holding onto the dinosaur. Actually, that's not really very relevant, just something I noticed :smalltongue:

[Kornaki]

EDIT:
Actually, at second glance, Roy is the only one who had both hands on the big guy when the two dinosaurs clashed. Both Elan and Belkar had their hands either in the air or, in Belkar's case, maybe holding the invisible reins (he was still hanging onto them when they became visible again in page 2, panel 5, anyway). Regardless, Roy was the only one concentrating on staying on the dino's back.

And "hold onto the dinosaur when it enters combat" seems like the kind of thing you would learn how to do when you get ride skill points :smalltongue:

[Spoomeister]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0141.html

Elan is presented as being much better at ride than Roy, and now in the current comic Elan falls off the dinosaur while Roy stays on.... any bets that Roy maxed out ride when he leveled up just so he could get back to a world where he was more competent than Elan?

OR, Roy has progressed and grown as a character while Elan is still a doofus. So when a situation involves riding a giant monster, Roy is calm and composed while Elan is flailing about wildly.

[Mike Havran]

Also, Elan's holding onto Roy for support, while Roy's holding onto the dinosaur. Actually, that's not really very relevant, just something I noticed :smalltongue:
I noticed it too. If Elan had more ranks in Ride, it should be the other way around - or no?

[karkus]

just so he could get back to a world where he was more competent than Elan

This, 100% :smallbiggrin:

[Porthos]

I noticed it too. If Elan had more ranks in Ride, it should be the other way around - or no?

Roy just rolled better on his check. :smallwink:

[Koo Rehtorb]

I assume it was grapple rather than ride based on how Durkon held on just fine.

[Souhiro]

Maybe he took some ranks, but I think that he just got a good roll, while Belkar failed. Keep in mind that Ride is a DEX skill, and Roy must have a HUGE penalty, due his armor, while Belkar is stated to have a good bonus to DEX (as seen in Geekery, and also for being small) So I think it's just the art.

MST3K mantra, men!

[SiuiS]

Since Roy held on, I assumed it was a grapple check. Although I don't think the rules really cover what happens when your walking mount accidentally rolls forward.

You never use a grapple check unless you are grappling and specifically using the grappling object. Grappling is always an attack roll deal, and just like you don't use attack rolls to give someone a high five, you don't use grappling to hold on to someone.

This means that when dealing with an unextenuated circumstance with a monster more than two size categories bigger than you, you use climb checks to stay on (or, yes, ride, if you're in that situation).

[GnomeGninjas]

Maybe he took some ranks, but I think that he just got a good roll, while Belkar failed. Keep in mind that Ride is a DEX skill, and Roy must have a HUGE penalty, due his armor, while Belkar is stated to have a good bonus to DEX (as seen in Geekery, and also for being small) So I think it's just the art.

MST3K mantra, men!

Armor check penalty only aplies to ride (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/ride.htm)when Fast Mounting or Fast Dismounting. Apart from that Roy's armor won't be a problem.

[Muenster Man]

You never use a grapple check unless you are grappling and specifically using the grappling object. Grappling is always an attack roll deal, and just like you don't use attack rolls to give someone a high five, you don't use grappling to hold on to someone.

Every high five in a tabletop session should be rolled for to determine how awesome it was :smallbiggrin:


This means that when dealing with an unextenuated circumstance with a monster more than two size categories bigger than you, you use climb checks to stay on (or, yes, ride, if you're in that situation).

Yeah, I wasn't sure if Climb was involved, but that would make sense because Durkon held on no problem due to his Spider Climb ability and Climb checks are usually modified by Strength. Sort of like Shadow of the Colossus, I guess.

[theinsulabot]

durkon is just hanging off the side, I think thats the vampire ability spider climb, so is unrelated

[Poppatomus]

durkon is just hanging off the side, I think thats the vampire ability spider climb, so is unrelated

I had completely forgotten about spider climb. Vampires really are useful.

[AKA_Bait]

durkon is just hanging off the side, I think thats the vampire ability spider climb, so is unrelated

Does spider climb work for climbing living creatures? I thought it was limited to walls and stuff.

[Bulldog Psion]

Does spider climb work for climbing living creatures? I thought it was limited to walls and stuff.

In the SRD, all it says is "vertical surfaces." So I guess a dinosaur might count as one. Not sure, though.

[Greatmoustache]

any bets that Roy maxed out ride when he leveled up just so he could get back to a world where he was more competent than Elan?

also, i think it's safe to assume that, a person who has experienced this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0443.html) and who later declares having learned this lesson (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0686.html), would take some ranks in ride.

(the climb check makes so much sense, so this may be irrelevant. but regardless, i'm sure that roy learned how to ride since the fall.)

[KillianHawkeye]

In the SRD, all it says is "vertical surfaces." So I guess a dinosaur might count as one. Not sure, though.

I would say the allosaurus counts as being sufficiently vertical.

[Turgon9357]

If you look at it right, he spent strips 484 - 664 "riding the pine".

That sounds dirty.

[MtlGuy]

Every time I read one of these I'm reminded of The Simpson's Episode "Itchy & Scratchy and Poochie" in which Homer confronts the show's hardcore fans over supposed continuity errors...

[Kornaki]

I don't think it's a continuity error, I think it might be an example of really subtle characterization. If it is not intended to relate back to that comic then it's just Roy randomly making his ride check which is expected occasionally.

[Sylthia]

Stay in Saddle has a Ride DC of 5, although there's probably some modifiers in there (like not having a saddle for one, which I think is a -5 penalty). There's enough of a spread on a d20 roll, that it's impossible to tell who has more ranks in ride from it.

[archon_huskie]

Doesn't Elan only have about 2 ranks in Ride.

Roy could have easily taken more ranks than that since the Starmetal Sidequest. For Roy it is a Class Skill. It's Cross Class for Elan. Or not. I forget what the Dashing Swordman's Class skills are.

[Sunken Valley]

It's obvious. He put ranks in ride for celia. She approves.:smallwink:

[SiuiS]

Does spider climb work for climbing living creatures? I thought it was limited to walls and stuff.

Nope. It allows for a climb speed, basically.


I would say the allosaurus counts as being sufficiently vertical.

At least when it counts. No need to climb a horizontal allosaurus!

[Ramien]

That sounds dirty.

Not quite how I meant it, but I suppose Celia shouldn't be told about that particular turn of phrase.

[dps]

OR, Roy has progressed and grown as a character while Elan is still a doofus. So when a situation involves riding a giant monster, Roy is calm and composed while Elan is flailing about wildly.

Or, the character with no ranks in ride is just holding on tight because he doesn't know to do anything else, while the character with ride is more at ease and not holding on as tight.

[Winter Light]

Not quite how I meant it, but I suppose Celia shouldn't be told about that particular turn of phrase.

Poor girl; her first boyfriend gets caught slipping the wood to a dryad, her second winds up riding the pine...