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Chess435

2013-10-10, 09:45 AM

Hello, all! This is the forty-third incarnation of the LGBTAitP thread! The thread is to support, celebrate and discuss anything that falls outside the bounds of what is hetero/cisnormative.

It is first of all a support thread, and then an education thread.

If you want answers about some of the more difficult and trigger inducing aspects of LGBTA, there are a number of people listed below who can answer questions - though no one should feel like they can't post their question more publicly because of this.

Please note that although the title of the thread names only the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Asexual communities, it is intended as an all inclusive environment. Everyone is welcome. L, G, B,T, A, Q, I, A, N, V, P, R, Q, Ω, ♅, all combinations of those letters and symbols, everyone. As long as they behave themselves.

If you have a question or two about LGBTA+ matters, you can ask it here! You can ask for advice and support in here. And you can just hang out with all of the lovely people, too, if you like.

In addition, many members are willing to give private advice one on one, either through email or PM. The best way to do this is asking for PM help in thread, or else to PM one of the following people (Please note that some of these people may not be available at all times.):

Name: Especially familiar with the topic(s) of
KenderWizard: General/basics, gender and feminism, bisexuality
Musashi: General/basics, asexuality/demisexuality, depression
noparlpf: General/basics, asexuality, greysexuality, biology, Skype
Lea Plath: Genderfluidity
Lycunadari: Genderqueer and agendered
Eldest: General/basics, bisexuality, polyamory, pansexuality will Skype(voice if needed, no video)
HMS Sophia: Trans stuff (esp hormones)
Lix Lorn: General/basics
Tanail: Trans stuff (esp emotional issues), Skype(no voice or video, however)
Absol197: Gender identity issues
Warkitty: Academic/technical discussions
Lentrax: General/basics, depression, bullying
Wormwood74: Transgender legal issues, transgender outside contacts
Astrella: GSRM rights, feminism, trans stuff, Skype
Asteron Questar: Relationships, depression
Mystic Muse: Skype-y goodness.
Socratov: Skype-ness
Chess435: Skype
Irish Musician: PM, Rants/Venting
Metditto: PM/Skype for L, T, GQ, BDSM(Off-thread or Spoiler Triggered), demisexual, feminism, therapy, depression, dissociative identities
inuyasha: Shoulder on which to cry, someone to listen
Partysan: PM/Skype, polyamory, pansexuality, BDSM(Off-thread or Spoiler Triggered), Rants/Venting
TaiLiu: General Transgender information, transphobia.

Some people are also willing to talk off-board, through Skype or email or other means; this is especially useful if your question involves board-forbidden topics such as religion or politics. Also, we can't (and ethically shouldn't!) give medical advice. If you need medical advice, please see a professional!

Here are the rules of this thread!

Everyone is welcome. Let's try to keep from seeming otherwise.
Keep this topic free of politics and religion. (so, don't violate the board rules, please.)
It's beyond the scope of this thread to discuss whether LGBT is "Right." (And really, most discussions probably should avoid moralizing too much anyway)
Please refrain from posting sexually explicit content. (Keep it friendly as well as board safe :smallsmile:)
If you know something's a trigger for someone, please put it in a spoiler with a relevant tag in front of it.

Here are the links for the previous threads, where much of use or interest may be found:
LGBT people in the playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62225)

LGBT people in the playground - part II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86066)

LGBTitp - part III (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5663140#post5663140)

LGBTitp 4: We are a family? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129235)

LGBTitp - Part Five (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143424)

LGBTitp - Part Six (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147832)

LGBTitp - Part Seven (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157312)

LGBTitp - Part Eight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167395)

LGBTitp - Part Nine (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172747)

LGBTAitp - Part Ten (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177253)

LGBTAitp - Part Eleven (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181683)

LGBTAitp - Part Twelve (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10335967#)

LGBTAitp - Part Thirteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192714)

LGBTAitp - Part Fourteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200329)

LGBTAitp - Part Fifteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207987)

LGBTAitp - Part Sixteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11820872#)

LGBTAitp - Part Seventeen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219966)

LGBTAitp - Part Eighteen! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223792)

LGBTAitp - Part Nineteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227182)

LGBTAitp - Part Twenty - Critical Hit! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12613347)

LGBTAitp - Part Twenty-One - BLACKJACK! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233833)

LGBTAitP Part 22: The Best There Is (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236828)

LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239610)

LGBTAitP: Alphabet Soup-with 24 different Vitamins! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13243754)

LGBTAitP part 25: Doing Away With Subtitles (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249030)

LGBTAitP 26: No Time For Snappy Titles (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253352)

LGBTAitP 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256951)

LGBTAitP #28: Come Taste the Rainbow! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14110484#post14110484)

LGBTAitP #29: The Rainbow Outreach Program (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262926)

LGBTAitP 30: Free Cuddles (Enquire Within) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267638)

LGBTAitP #31: Cuddles Are On Back Order. Have Some Snuggles! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272099)

LGBTAitp #32: The Great Plushie Invasion! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275839)

LGBTAitp #33: The Thread at the End of the Rainbow! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278799)

LGTAitP #34: <3!! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281021)

LGBTAitp #35: What Midlife Crisis? :3 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284121)

LGBTAitp #36: May Contain Bites! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286734)

LGBTAitP #37: Once upon a time... (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288693)

LGBTAitP #38: Once More With Feeling!! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290671)

LGBTAitP #38: Making Your Way in the World Today.... (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293173)

LGBTAitP #40: Technicolour Partyboat (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296997)

LGBTAitp #41 - Imprecise Terminology Supercenter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299934)

LGBTAitp #42: Better Than Skittles/The Meaning of Life! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304737)

And, for reference, here is a list of commonly used words and definitions by our community. Please understand that this list is currently undergoing construction right now. Any contributions to the list are appreciated.
Lagerbeta: A fine brewski to be drunk by queers and allies.
LGBT: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans*
Trans*: Transsexual and Transgender
LGBTA: LGBT+Asexual/Allies
QUILTBAG:
Q - Queer and Questioning
U - Unidentified
I - Intersex
L - Lesbian
T - Transgender, Transexual
B - Bisexual
A - Asexual
G - Gay, Genderqueer

Allies: Hetereosexual-Cisgender people who support equality for sexual, gender, and romantic minorities.
Male-to-Female (MtF): Someone who was assigned male at birth, but is female. (AKA: trans woman)
Female-to-Male (FtM): Someone who was assigned female at birth, but is male. (AKA: trans man)
Genderqueer (GQ): Someone who is not of a binary gender; someone who is not male or female.
Cisgender (CG): Somebody whose gender and sex align.
Transgender/Transsexual: Two words commonly used in reference to a person whose sex(body) and gender(mind) are at odds or do not match. Transsexual can also be used to refer specifically to someone who desires to change their physical traits to align with their gender.
HRT: Hormone replacement therapy. MtF's take more progestrogens and oestrogens and FtM's take more testosterone (I think?)
SRS: Sex Reassignment Surgery: Surgery to replace/transform a vagina into a penis, or vice versa depending on direction. Mastectomies or plastic surgery may be used on breasts.
FFS: Facial Feminization Surgery: Surgery to reduce chin/nose/cheekbones. Uncommon.
AFAB/AMAB: Assigned Female/Male at Birth
FAAB/MAAB: Female/Male Assigned at Birth.

Man: A cisman or transman. Male.
Woman: A ciswoman or transwoman. Female.
Androgyne: Gender Identity with male and female aspects.
Genderfluid: Someone who fluctuates between different genders.
Agendered: Someone who lacks a gender.
Third-gendered: Someone who fits in a local society's third gender, usually male performing female tasks, occasionally vice versa.
Masculine: Something generally associated with men.
Feminine: Something generally associated with women.

Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to women.
Gay: A man who is attracted to men.
Homosexual: A person who is attracted to members of their gender.
Heterosexual: A person who is attracted to members of the opposite gender.
Androsexual: A person who is attracted to men.
Gynosexual: A person who is attracted to women.
Bisexual: Complicated, but to use noparlpf definition: 1. attracted to two genders; 2. attracted to one's own gender and another gender; 3. attracted to various genders; 4. attracted to people regardless of gender; 5. ask the person who says they're bi what exactly they mean by that.
Pansexual: A person who is attracted to people regardless of gender.
Asexual: A person who does not feel any/some sexual attraction.
Demisexual: A person who is sexually attracted to someone(s) they have formed an intense emotional relationship with.
Polyamorous: A person who is interested in a relationship with more than one person.

Sexual Orientation: How one identifies who they are attracted to.
Gender Identity: How one feels inside society's idea of "man, woman, or other". (GI)
Gender Expression: How one expresses their GI to society. (GE)
Significant Other(s): Person you are in a relationship with. (SO)

Webcomics that touch on... Well, everything related to the thread.
Venus Envy. (http://www.venusenvycomic.com/) Long dead webcomic. The creator has chosen not to continue it and move forward in life.
Rain. (http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/) A story of a MtF girl in high school.
Khaos Komix. (http://www.khaoskomix.com/)As the creator puts it(from his site): "A complete GLBTWTFBBQ comic about gender and sexuality. (Trigger warnings for EVERYTHING and nothing is safe for work.)"
Always Raining Here. (http://alwaysraininghere.com/index.php/first-page/) "Adrian is heartsick, Carter is horny. This is a story about their misadventures as awkward teenagers as they fumble through unrequited romances."
Tripping over you. (http://trippingoveryou.com/comic/gmorning-sunshine/)An awkward blind date leads to better options.
Questionable Content. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/) The LGBTA characters are well done, and not stereotypes.
What's normal anyway. (http://whatsnormalanyway.net/?p=93) An FtM webcomic. Seems decent so far.
Princess. (http://the-princess.funonthe.net/) A webcomic.
Twokinds. (http://twokinds.keenspot.com/) Keveak: "It generally portrays GRSM matters positively and is quite a nice tale overall."
Misfile (Misfile.com) The Rose Dragon: "Ash is a young boy who, as a result of a screw-up in Heaven, gets stuck in a girl's body in a life he doesn't recognize, and has to deal with the changes and challenges of his new body while trying to get back his old life. Supernatural hijinks and car racing are involved."
I know I missed a few webcomics, and if anyone finds more, feel free to PM them to me with a brief description, and I will add them.

The Brand New LGBTA Arts & Crafts Thread! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288941)

Sabeki

2013-10-10, 09:49 AM

New thread!!!

Heliomance

2013-10-10, 09:57 AM

As there keep being discussions about how much alphabet soup we should allow into the title, why not just put a + on the end?

Miriel

2013-10-10, 09:57 AM

I think I'll try on my new girly clothes today in semi-public.

By which I mean that I could go to that LGBT* group and bring them.

Kneenibble

2013-10-10, 10:12 AM

Budgie hugs for the new thread!
http://25.media.tumblr.com/c04ede1d73013fad015c28b94cf66076/tumblr_muaj4hFEXU1rodsbzo1_500.jpg
Bwa ha ha ha, just joking! Overly familiar budgie kisses!

I have little to contribute except to say that my relationship is going very well and that my last stitch finally came out last night.

Irish Musician

2013-10-10, 10:21 AM

.045 methuselahs.
Do what now? :smallconfused::smallwink:

Happy New Thread

~Matthew~

Jormengand

2013-10-10, 10:27 AM

I nominate Jor/Anna/404/Antony to make the new thread, since it was their birthday!
Dammit Chessy, you ruined my fun. :smalltongue:

Nah, to your credit I wasn't here. Anyway, new thread! Woo!

Also, I feel like I need a general name to reference me as a whole, rather than as a sum of my parts. Ehh, I'll think of one.

~Antony~

Astrella

2013-10-10, 10:27 AM

I think I'll try on my new girly clothes today in semi-public.

By which I mean that I could go to that LGBT* group and bring them.

Hope it goes well. :smallsmile:

Jaycemonde

2013-10-10, 10:28 AM

I know. And I prefer my hooves cloven and sharp, mesel'.

I have cloven hooves!

Translation: Yes, that is how he feels.

At the risk of straw-manning, yeah. That's exactly how it comes off. Sure, it may sound like an in-joke to people who aren't L, G (I think L and G should be stuck together under H personally, but whatev), B (which includes P), T (which is a really wide umbrella) or A, but you have to remember an important detail--this thread is made for L, G, B, T and A people, as well as anybody else who isn't included under those already broad terms but has to deal with bull**** on a daily basis just for existing. I'm not trying to be exclusive or anything, far from it, but try to remember who the 'primary audience' is, here.

I dress like this a lot; I really miss my camo cargo pants, but they've a hole in them and I haven't yet found replacements (everywhere has summer stock out already, it's a pain). I usually wear 'women's cut'/'babydoll cut' t-shirts (well, it's how ThinkGeek describes them), almost always geek or NaNoWriMo related.

I do, however, have two fairly large signifiers of femininity attached to my front, so I don't come across as gender-neutral.

Just go to an Army Surplus store. ****'s expensive for pants (although not as bad as those 'designer' pants) but it's worth it. As for 'babydoll' and womens' cut shirts...everyone just gets mad at me and yells at me to get rid of them, so. Yeah.

--

ION, hooray for new thread! That subtitle should be a good compromise for everybody involved.

Heliomance

2013-10-10, 10:30 AM

Methuselah lived to 969, so 969*0.045 is... 43.605. I don't think you're right, SiuiS. I really don't think Mynxae is in his 40s.

Astrella

2013-10-10, 10:32 AM

Oh, I got an address for laser from a friend of mine. It's really close by and it's at the university's dermatology department. Now I just need to work up courage to make an appointment. (I'm also not sure what name to make it under.)

Also my new shirts are so comfy, it's great. :D

bluewind95

2013-10-10, 11:24 AM

Yay! New thread!

I feel the inclusion of the A in the title is not worth the implied exclusion of everyone else that doesn't fit in. Either you accept that LGBT is all-inclusive beyond what the letters stand for, or you have to keep adding letters for everyone who wants it. I choose the former for simplicity (not being either L, G, B, T or A).

Personally, I think the A is totally fine. I mean, if L, G and B(pan-inclusive for simplicity) are in there, then A should be too, cos it's a completely valid sexuality. It's kind of jarring when we're excluded, cos in my experience, people do tend to dismiss our sexuality. I mean, if I go tell a random person I'm asexual, they tend to think that it's not a thing, that it's just a trauma*. So it's more than a little jarring to be excluded from sexuality minorities.

I know that in the past, the A was not there. I also know that when it was added, I felt MUCH more welcome and validated and it was great. It also came when I was having an especially hard time in life and it made me smile and feel so much better and I am really, really thankful for its inclusion.

EDIT: As for the subtitle, I disagree with it being friendly to newcomers. I am not even a newcomer, having been around since the first thread (even if not consistently), and the subtitles always feel more like an in-joke I'm not in on rather than something inviting.

And for me, it's been the other way around. I love the subtitles. They're amusing. I don't care if I don't really know where they came from. I like to see them and I like to wonder where they came from. I love seeing the titles in the Random Banter thread, too. They make the threads feel more... casual, I guess. And more unique. But that's just me.

*Yeah, I was once in a car with a friend and his family and I dunno how the subject of sexuality came up, but his mom, who claims to be a sexologist and stuff (and I guess she knows her straight stuff), kept going on about how deviant gay people are, how it's completely the result of perversion due to overpopulation, and how all gays like little boys (and pass on the gay that way) and how all lesbians are rapists. And then she went on saying that asexuals don't exist. That anyone who claims to be an asexual is just lying and is simply traumatized because they have been raped and/or sexually harassed, because there's just no other way they'd CHOOSE such an unnatural sexuality. Needless to say, I was very quiet that trip and very upset after that.

Akowrules

2013-10-10, 11:24 AM

Am I terrible for thinking "Freddie Mercury" in this picture? Cause seriously that's what I'm thinking. >.> (From me that's a compliment!) Nice belt <^_^>

Sorry I've been away all, dealing with a vicious infection at the moment <x,x> am taking antibiotics now and have felt awful.

That's a compliment to me. :smallsmile: Thanks!

I second this.

We all want it, Mynxae. We ALL want it.

:smalleek::smallredface: I'm now worried about the amount of people who want it.

If anyone else complimented me in the previous thread and I failed to include you in the quotes, I thank you as well. My French class is starting and I have to be quick with this post.

Also, YAY NEW THREAD!!!!!

Jormengand

2013-10-10, 11:27 AM

:smalleek::smallredface: I'm now worried about the amount of people who want it.

And still not quite sure what the "it" that they want is...

Jaycemonde

2013-10-10, 11:35 AM

*Yeah, I was once in a car with a friend and his family and I dunno how the subject of sexuality came up, but his mom, who claims to be a sexologist and stuff (and I guess she knows her straight stuff), kept going on about how deviant gay people are, how it's completely the result of perversion due to overpopulation, and how all gays like little boys (and pass on the gay that way) and how all lesbians are rapists. And then she went on saying that asexuals don't exist. That anyone who claims to be an asexual is just lying and is simply traumatized because they have been raped and/or sexually harassed, because there's just no other way they'd CHOOSE such an unnatural sexuality. Needless to say, I was very quiet that trip and very upset after that.

Wish I coulda been there. Preferably while the doors were unlocked and the car was going over a bridge. Preferably in Alaska or Canada. Preferably at speed.

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-10, 11:37 AM

At the risk of straw-manning, yeah. That's exactly how it comes off. Sure, it may sound like an in-joke to people who aren't L, G (I think L and G should be stuck together under H personally, but whatev), B (which includes P), T (which is a really wide umbrella) or A, but you have to remember an important detail--this thread is made for L, G, B, T and A people, as well as anybody else who isn't included under those already broad terms but has to deal with bull**** on a daily basis just for existing. I'm not trying to be exclusive or anything, far from it, but try to remember who the 'primary audience' is, here.

As someone who considers himself part of the "anybody else who isn't included", I don't really feel like I'm the primary audience in this thread. I feel like an outsider. Granted, the only person who gives me crap about it is me because I choose to be uncomfortable with myself to avoid crap from others, so maybe I deserve to be an outsider.

Kneenibble

2013-10-10, 11:37 AM

And still not quite sure what the "it" that they want is...

While propriety and probably law prevent me from remarking directly on the image in question, I believe that onlookers find their desire not dissimilar from the desire to bite into the rosy flesh of a watermelon ripened in the effulgence of the July sun.

*straightens tie and dabs brow* It's hot today

Coidzor

2013-10-10, 12:04 PM

While propriety and probably law prevent me from remarking directly on the image in question, I believe that onlookers find their desire not dissimilar from the desire to bite into the rosy flesh of a watermelon ripened in the effulgence of the July sun.

*straightens tie and dabs brow* It's hot today

Watermelon, you say? *passes the salt*

Quite unseasonable for the autumn, yes. Ah well, at least there's an excuse to still be sitting on the porch, sipping sweet tea, watching the frolicking and foibles of youth, eh? *pours another glass from the pitcher* :smallamused:

I know. And I prefer my hooves cloven and sharp, mesel'.

That's what I thought you were doing, but really, you've seen how easy it is for something to be taken the wrong way.

Much more useful for smiting that way. :smallamused:

Indeed, let it never be forgotton, that I am an ass. *facepalm*

Object permanence is awesome. It makes for a great D&D setting; remove object permanence as a thing, and fill the world with fog. Only the perceived persists.

Fog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwxj5Gj-xE), you say? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUJacELpE0)

I dress like this a lot; I really miss my camo cargo pants, but they've a hole in them and I haven't yet found replacements (everywhere has summer stock out already, it's a pain). I usually wear 'women's cut'/'babydoll cut' t-shirts (well, it's how ThinkGeek describes them), almost always geek or NaNoWriMo related.

I do, however, have two fairly large signifiers of femininity attached to my front, so I don't come across as gender-neutral.

Um. Does that make me the old lady of the thread? I'm 30. I can't recall if anyone said they were older last time we did this.

NaNoWriMo, eh? Sweet.

It took me entirely too long to grok that.

I don't think so. Of people who are around regularly-ish-anymore, maybe?

Huh. I suppose babies become people the same way cats become people; I look at them and they show some measure of activity. >_<

Babies are tiny wrinkled discolored potato beasts who excrete mucal fluids and bellow colored streaks of noise pollution like a dragon breathes fire, making messes and then rolling in them.

This of course also describes kittens, except kittens have more fur and stop rolling in poop slightly sooner (if you're lucky). So babies are kittens!

I suppose that makes a certain amount of sense, yeah. :smallamused:

That's probably the best description of babies I've heard in a while. XD

Your reasoning is impeccable as always. :smallcool: *slowly turns in his swivel chair, petting a baby* "And now, Mr. Bond, you will watch this fully operational dancing shaku robot steal the United Nations."

Heh. Swiss. SiuiS. Swiss SiuiS. I wonder what flavor of hot chocolate that would be? :smallamused:

Whoops, sorry Coid; I was replying in a hurry else I would have spoilered my original reply.

I find it kinda hard to relate to babies, although I do love my niece and nephew to bits. To be honest sometimes I think my cats are more relatable than some humans. But then I'm biased.

Ah, no need to apologize. I flubbed that line anyway. Meant to say that I don't really have an issue where it's discussed, but I still think it's a tangent and probably a sillily large one. Tangents and Spoiler Tags go together like bread and butter in my mind. XD

Yeah, I mostly thought they were easily broken human-shaped monstrosities until I encountered some that I was related to, and even then with my cousins I mostly was just scared of breaking them because I was, like... a pre-pubescent or pubescent child. After I got over the fact that his parents should never have met, let along sprogged, I became quite fond of my nephew, though I still don't see him as a people yet, despite being around 7 months old now and having somehow earned the nickname Coalzor around these parts. I still sometimes just call him "the baby" or "it" though, which mostly serves to amuse me now.

noparlpf

2013-10-10, 01:33 PM

Methuselah lived to 969, so 969*0.045 is... 43.605. I don't think you're right, SiuiS. I really don't think Mynxae is in his 40s.

Not sure how much I can analyse the equivalent value of a Methuselah in years without breaking thread rules. Is it okay to talk about mythology from upwards of four thousand years ago, or does that break the no religion rule?

Yay! New thread!

Personally, I think the A is totally fine. I mean, if L, G and B(pan-inclusive for simplicity) are in there, then A should be too, cos it's a completely valid sexuality. It's kind of jarring when we're excluded, cos in my experience, people do tend to dismiss our sexuality. I mean, if I go tell a random person I'm asexual, they tend to think that it's not a thing, that it's just a trauma*. So it's more than a little jarring to be excluded from sexuality minorities.

I know that in the past, the A was not there. I also know that when it was added, I felt MUCH more welcome and validated and it was great. It also came when I was having an especially hard time in life and it made me smile and feel so much better and I am really, really thankful for its inclusion.

And for me, it's been the other way around. I love the subtitles. They're amusing. I don't care if I don't really know where they came from. I like to see them and I like to wonder where they came from. I love seeing the titles in the Random Banter thread, too. They make the threads feel more... casual, I guess. And more unique. But that's just me.

*Yeah, I was once in a car with a friend and his family and I dunno how the subject of sexuality came up, but his mom, who claims to be a sexologist and stuff (and I guess she knows her straight stuff), kept going on about how deviant gay people are, how it's completely the result of perversion due to overpopulation, and how all gays like little boys (and pass on the gay that way) and how all lesbians are rapists. And then she went on saying that asexuals don't exist. That anyone who claims to be an asexual is just lying and is simply traumatized because they have been raped and/or sexually harassed, because there's just no other way they'd CHOOSE such an unnatural sexuality. Needless to say, I was very quiet that trip and very upset after that.

Wow, that really sucks. I'm sorry. People can be crazy.

Jormengand

2013-10-10, 01:41 PM

*Yeah, I was once in a car with a friend and his family and I dunno how the subject of sexuality came up, but his mom, who claims to be a sexologist and stuff (and I guess she knows her straight stuff), kept going on about how deviant gay people are, how it's completely the result of perversion due to overpopulation, and how all gays like little boys (and pass on the gay that way) and how all lesbians are rapists. And then she went on saying that asexuals don't exist. That anyone who claims to be an asexual is just lying and is simply traumatized because they have been raped and/or sexually harassed, because there's just no other way they'd CHOOSE such an unnatural sexuality. Needless to say, I was very quiet that trip and very upset after that.

Stupid stupid stupid person. Ugh!!!! Sorry you had to put up with this person.

Eirala

2013-10-10, 01:54 PM

Sabeki pic! :33 *dies from cuteness overload*

Also, fell for a prank exam at my new university because i'm still pretty much a mess, tired and stressed out (had an appointment with a surgeon before, to discuss surgery even if it's still way into the future. Was very nice though, not even once misgendered me. Nice people, and nice surgeon :smallsmile: ). Which only made falling for it way worse. Which makes me even more of a mess. Stupid people who thought it would be funny (wouldn't have been funny either way)

Irish Musician

2013-10-10, 02:00 PM

*Yeah, I was once in a car with a friend and his family and I dunno how the subject of sexuality came up, but his mom, who claims to be a sexologist and stuff (and I guess she knows her straight stuff), kept going on about how deviant gay people are, how it's completely the result of perversion due to overpopulation, and how all gays like little boys (and pass on the gay that way) and how all lesbians are rapists. And then she went on saying that asexuals don't exist. That anyone who claims to be an asexual is just lying and is simply traumatized because they have been raped and/or sexually harassed, because there's just no other way they'd CHOOSE such an unnatural sexuality. Needless to say, I was very quiet that trip and very upset after that.
[/SPOILER]
I.......what.......how..........who...........That 's got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard quoted form someone's mouth:smallfurious:

Jormengand

2013-10-10, 02:03 PM

Eirala

2013-10-10, 02:05 PM

I wish I could actually hug you sometimes, Katharina. *Hugs.* Glad your appointment went well, at least.

Thanks :smallsmile: Sometimes the thought counts :smallsmile:

Jormengand

2013-10-10, 02:14 PM

Thanks :smallsmile: Sometimes the thought counts :smallsmile:

And I think that you are a wonderful, pretty girl who deserves to be happy. Am I wrong?

Eirala

2013-10-10, 02:27 PM

I certainly hope not :smallredface:

Thanks [insert currently appropiate name here], you really rescued my mood there ^_^
*kisses on cheek if allowed*

Jormengand

2013-10-10, 02:30 PM

I certainly hope not :smallredface:

Thanks [insert currently appropiate name here], you really rescued my mood there ^_^
*kisses on cheek if allowed*

*Is kissed on cheek.* D'aww. :smallredface:

Currently a guy, but... eh. I still need a name/nickname for just me, generally. Maybe another reference to something, but not another status/error code.

SiuiS

2013-10-10, 03:04 PM

Methuselah lived to 969, so 969*0.045 is... 43.605. I don't think you're right, SiuiS. I really don't think Mynxae is in his 40s.

Ah, no. I meant that was the unit of she to be considered "old", not that was Mynxae's age.

And I thought common understanding was "old guy who lived for a millennium"? I was angling for 45.

Your reasoning is impeccable as always. :smallcool: *slowly turns in his swivel chair, petting a baby* "And now, Mr. Bond, you will watch this fully operational dancing shaku robot steal the United Nations."

Thread won in 18 posts. New record?

Not sure how much I can analyse the equivalent value of a Methuselah in years without breaking thread rules. Is it okay to talk about mythology from upwards of four thousand years ago, or does that break the no religion rule?

It's as valuable as measuring shipping/romance via millilixies; ie what's to analyze? Sideways reference to roughly one thousand. Point-oh-four-five that is forty five years. Think too hard, you blink and miss it.

Lauren

2013-10-10, 03:10 PM

As there keep being discussions about how much alphabet soup we should allow into the title, why not just put a + on the end?

When I was making the LGBTIAQ+ Wrimos (https://www.facebook.com/groups/lgbtiaqwrimos/) FB group that's why I put the + ... and I've just realised I left out the P, which is pretty egregious considering I often ID as P in one way or another.

Just go to an Army Surplus store. ****'s expensive for pants (although not as bad as those 'designer' pants) but it's worth it. As for 'babydoll' and womens' cut shirts...everyone just gets mad at me and yells at me to get rid of them, so. Yeah.

OMFG, I can't believe I didn't think of that. I work just around the corner from one and was in there the other day buying a backpack and I still didn't think of it. Duh! Thanks for the mind-jog, I will go look today.

As someone who considers himself part of the "anybody else who isn't included", I don't really feel like I'm the primary audience in this thread. I feel like an outsider. Granted, the only person who gives me crap about it is me because I choose to be uncomfortable with myself to avoid crap from others, so maybe I deserve to be an outsider.

I don't think you deserve to be an outsider, but I also am not 100% sure how we can make the thread more inclusive for you in particular. Would a + in the thread title help? Another letter? I mean, I'm not the final arbiter of these things (although I do look forward to the day when I'm around at the right time to be a thread starter), but discussing what people need to feel included is the best way to make it happen.

NaNoWriMo, eh? Sweet.

It took me entirely too long to grok that.

I don't think so. Of people who are around regularly-ish-anymore, maybe?

Yes! My 11th NaNo, hopefully my 10th win, and 5th year MLing. I've started a thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308314) in Arts and Crafts.

Heee. I am usually less subtle.

YAY I'M A REGULAR.

I suppose that makes a certain amount of sense, yeah. :smallamused:

That's probably the best description of babies I've heard in a while. XD

Your reasoning is impeccable as always. :smallcool: *slowly turns in his swivel chair, petting a baby* "And now, Mr. Bond, you will watch this fully operational dancing shaku robot steal the United Nations."

Heh. Swiss. SiuiS. Swiss SiuiS. I wonder what flavor of hot chocolate that would be? :smallamused:

Ah, no need to apologize. I flubbed that line anyway. Meant to say that I don't really have an issue where it's discussed, but I still think it's a tangent and probably a sillily large one. Tangents and Spoiler Tags go together like bread and butter in my mind. XD

Yeah, I mostly thought they were easily broken human-shaped monstrosities until I encountered some that I was related to, and even then with my cousins I mostly was just scared of breaking them because I was, like... a pre-pubescent or pubescent child. After I got over the fact that his parents should never have met, let along sprogged, I became quite fond of my nephew, though I still don't see him as a people yet, despite being around 7 months old now and having somehow earned the nickname Coalzor around these parts. I still sometimes just call him "the baby" or "it" though, which mostly serves to amuse me now.

Given that I spend a lot of time (a loooot of time) over on Tangency on RPG.net, I can sometimes be bad at judging when a thread has drifted, 'cause it's kind of standard there.

I love the word 'sprogged' :smallbiggrin:

Akowrules

2013-10-10, 04:10 PM

@Sabeki

Oh my god, you're adorable!!!!! Also, I think we share the same kind of bunk bed, from what I saw in the photo.

Coidzor

2013-10-10, 04:20 PM

Thread won in 18 posts. New record?

Nah, there's been posts that have won threads within the first 5. Technically some OPs have managed to win their thread in their first post.

Anyway, give everyone a chance and you'll see that this isn't the best post in the thread. :smallwink: Honestly I'm kind of embarrassed that I couldn't think of anything either better or more off the wall silly.

MrDirt

2013-10-10, 04:36 PM

I think I know the answer to this question already.

I saw a dating site the lets you pick: Male, Female, or Trans. You have to pick one and the Trans isn't M->F or F->M, just 'Trans'. What do you pick? Your identified gender?

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-10, 04:43 PM

Depends on the wording. If it asks "gender", specifically, I'd either look for "N/A", or simply give up on the site right then and there. If "sex", I'd choose male, or simply give up on the site right then and there.

MrDirt

2013-10-10, 04:47 PM

I don't remember specifically which one it called for. There was no N/A, it was one of those where one (and only one) had to be checked. It was on 4chan, they were talking about it for another reason.

Miriel

2013-10-10, 04:48 PM

So let's try this.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af96/abvrbecondita/DSCN0151_zps79918892.jpg

Know that my hair is in a ponytail at the moment.

For posterity: I might delete the file in an undefined future, because this is the Internet.

Meh. I feel this doesn't work at all, passing-wise, even if I hadn't stupidly cut myself while shaving. Makeup will be my next priority.

Hope it goes well. :smallsmile:
Thank you!

Akowrules

2013-10-10, 05:17 PM

Sabeki

2013-10-10, 05:26 PM

And still not quite sure what the "it" that they want is...

His butt belt :smalltongue:

Eirala

2013-10-10, 05:39 PM

Reality Glitch

2013-10-10, 05:56 PM

Why do you keep making a new thread every week or so?

Coidzor

2013-10-10, 06:02 PM

Why do you keep making a new thread every week or so?

This thread you mean? There's a 50 page thread limit on this website.

Durmatagno

2013-10-10, 06:08 PM

This thread you mean? There's a 50 page thread limit on this website.

And this thread fills faaaaaaaaaaast

Coidzor

2013-10-10, 06:11 PM

And this thread fills faaaaaaaaaaast
If you know what I mean. :smallamused:

Yes! My 11th NaNo, hopefully my 10th win, and 5th year MLing. I've started a thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308314) in Arts and Crafts.

Heee. I am usually less subtle.

YAY I'M A REGULAR.

Nice. I keep trying to get into it myself.

More, sottle (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100604)? :smallamused:

That was my understanding and recollection of you, anyway, yeah. Some kind of semi-regular "face" found in this thread. :smallconfused: Have I been taking crazy pills or confusing you with someone else all this time? :smalleek:

Given that I spend a lot of time (a loooot of time) over on Tangency on RPG.net, I can sometimes be bad at judging when a thread has drifted, 'cause it's kind of standard there.

I love the word 'sprogged' :smallbiggrin:

Tangency, eh? RPG.net, eh? Intriguing. I'm naturally a quite tangential person, I must admit. I've had to actually rein it in pretty severely around these parts.

It is, indeed, a great word. Though probably sprogged is an improper conjugation of "sprog," but, then, if I'm wrong, I don't wanna be right. :smallamused:

Akowrules

2013-10-10, 06:15 PM

So many cute people in this thread :33

I know, right?? Then they show their faces, and they get even cuter!! :smallbiggrin:

Durmatagno

2013-10-10, 06:23 PM

I know, right?? Then they show their faces, and they get even cuter!! :smallbiggrin:

I still refuse to believe I am anything other than average >_<

Moonwolf727

2013-10-10, 06:33 PM

I still refuse to believe I am anything other than average >_<

And I still refuse to stop telling you otherwise~ :3

Akowrules

2013-10-10, 06:44 PM

I still refuse to believe I am anything other than average >_<

As do I. I honestly can say I don't know what it is about me that makes people say I'm cute.

Sabeki

2013-10-10, 06:50 PM

Its all the butt belt.

Also, I am tempted to take more pictures...

Coidzor

2013-10-10, 07:11 PM

Its all the butt belt.

Also, I am tempted to take more pictures...

I love to be pedantic, but that's more the hip than the belt that you can really ogle in the picture provided.

Go for it. After all, it's something like a hundred shots to get a good one. Also, something something something thousand hours to become an expert. Something something something dark side. Something something something complete.

TaiLiu

2013-10-10, 07:11 PM

As someone who considers himself part of the "anybody else who isn't included", I don't really feel like I'm the primary audience in this thread. I feel like an outsider. Granted, the only person who gives me crap about it is me because I choose to be uncomfortable with myself to avoid crap from others, so maybe I deserve to be an outsider.
Ah. As Lauren said, what could we do to make you feel more included?

Currently a guy, but... eh. I still need a name/nickname for just me, generally. Maybe another reference to something, but not another status/error code.
Comrade Jing, The Ever-Shifting Lion!

So let's try this.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af96/abvrbecondita/DSCN0151_zps79918892.jpg!
Your eyes match your clothing! Also, are those photos on the side?

Also, I am tempted to take more pictures...
Only your own exhaustion and camera memory can stop you!

Miriel

2013-10-10, 10:02 PM

OK, so I did go to the group thing, and it went fine. I didn't talk much, but eventually, I had a discussion with another trans woman. Eventually, I put on my girl clothes, but I didn't really show them, I just wore them beneath my sweater. She and another person refered to me with female pronouns. It was confusing and troubling and oddly right. It made me smile in any case.

Well I think you look fabulous! :smallsmile:
Thank you :smallredface:

So many cute people in this thread :33

If you'd like to hear them i may be able to give you a tip or two.
Thanks :smallredface:

And yes, tips, very much. Step 1 of priority 1 will be "Obtain the necessary equipment", though. The infinite quantity of products and brands make that difficult.

Your eyes match your clothing! Also, are those photos on the side?
Oh, I wouldn't have noticed that.

Actually, it's a bit of my Let It Be framed poster.

TaiLiu

2013-10-10, 10:13 PM

Sabeki

2013-10-10, 10:17 PM

golentan

2013-10-10, 10:20 PM

Seriously, this thread moves way too fast. There are some very attractive people on it though... :smallwink:

I'm quite lonely. My crush who turned me down kept brushing up against me today. It felt good enough that I didn't move away. I am ashamed of myself.

Miriel

2013-10-10, 10:20 PM

That sounds fairly enjoyable.
Yes :smallsmile: Well, there were waaaaay to many people for me, but it ended up fine. I survived.

No? Your eyes are a vivid red, comrade!
That's the flash I think. My eyes are more brown.

TaiLiu

2013-10-10, 10:22 PM

Wait wait wait... you're a vampire! :smalleek:
Human by day; vampire by night...

I'm quite lonely. My crush who turned me down kept brushing up against me today. It felt good enough that I didn't move away. I am ashamed of myself.
Huh. These were accidental brushing?

Yes :smallsmile: Well, there were waaaaay to many people for me, but it ended up fine. I survived.
Ah! That is great!

That's the flash I think. My eyes are more brown.
Oh? What is the shade?

Miriel

2013-10-10, 10:34 PM

Wait wait wait... you're a vampire! :smalleek:
:durkon:

Oh? What is the shade?
The brown you can see besides the red seems right.

Maybe this is clearer?
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af96/abvrbecondita/Photo_00002_zps4e0474fe.jpg

As with the other one, I might delete this.
You can see a bit of my tank top, which was under the pink t-shirt on the other. Contrary to my expectations, my neckline is not totally disastrous.

TaiLiu

2013-10-10, 10:37 PM

Maybe this is clearer?
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af96/abvrbecondita/Photo_00002_zps4e0474fe.jpg

As with the other one, I might delete this.
You can see a bit of my tank top, which was under the pink t-shirt on the other. Contrary to my expectations, my neckline is not totally disastrous.
Nay, it's much more blurrier. And, yes, your neckline is fine.

Miriel

2013-10-10, 10:39 PM

Nay, it's much more blurrier. And, yes, your neckline is fine.
Yes, but I don't look like a vampire! (Note to self: Stop feeding on neighbour.)

Thanks!

TaiLiu

2013-10-10, 10:53 PM

Yes, but I don't look like a vampire! (Note to self: Stop feeding on neighbour.)
Ah, that is true!

golentan

2013-10-10, 11:21 PM

Yes, but I don't look like a vampire! (Note to self: Stop feeding on neighbour.)

Thanks!

Clearly not a vampire. Vampires don't show up in photos, duh. If you looked like a vampire, we'd just see the outfit suspended in midair...

Sabeki

2013-10-10, 11:24 PM

Yes, but I don't look like a vampire! (Note to self: Stop feeding on neighbour.)

Thanks!

Lies! Only a vampire could look that good!!! :smallsmile:

QueerKitty

2013-10-11, 03:30 AM

Eirala

2013-10-11, 04:01 AM

And yes, tips, very much. Step 1 of priority 1 will be "Obtain the necessary equipment", though. The infinite quantity of products and brands make that difficult.

First, your posture is already feminine and super cute, clothes too. So that's a good start :smallsmile:

Now a few things you could try:

Plucking your eyebrows would probably help a lot. I have problems with mine too and was a bit surprised as to how much they affect the overall impression. I'm still in the process of learning how to do it right though, so i can't really give any tips for that.

Since your next priority is makeup you should be able to conceal your beard shadow quite a bit. I'm no expert in this (you can still see mine when i wear makeup) but there's a little trick that supposedly makes it easier (i'm not sure if it works for me): Use an orange lipstick on areas with beard shadow before applying makeup. Not too much though ^^

And i found (at least for me) that a ponytail doesn't look as feminine as other hairstyles. You could experiment a bit there, i just wear my hair down. Specifically, covering the ears is one thing that may or may not make a difference.

Zorg

2013-10-11, 04:24 AM

Astrella

2013-10-11, 04:57 AM

I'm really glad you're getting help now, Zorg. And I really hope things will improve.

I was supposed to start HRT a month ago but my therapist forgot to fax a letter to my doctor. I think it was a sign to stop pursuing being out and transgender and just repress it all again. It was fun lurking I guess, but I need to stop seeing queer things if I'm not doing it anymore.

Don't give up, there's no such thing as signs. And repressing is only going to end up hurting you so much more, so please don't give up.

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-11, 04:57 AM

Ah. As Lauren said, what could we do to make you feel more included?

Since it is clearly established that what would make me more comfortable are all things that make a lot of other people uncomfortable, I would say the answer is nothing. I have just resigned myself to that, as long as I'm allowed to whine from time to time.

SiuiS

2013-10-11, 04:59 AM

Zorg, I am glad things have come to a plateu from which you can hopefully begin to heal. :smallsmile:

I have cloven hooves!

Really? I have cloven hooves! We should totally hang out!

I was supposed to start HRT a month ago but my therapist forgot to fax a letter to my doctor. I think it was a sign to stop pursuing being out and transgender and just repress it all again. It was fun lurking I guess, but I need to stop seeing queer things if I'm not doing it anymore.

Thats a terrible interpretation. You should pursue the doctor for being lax in something medically relevant and go the other direction! Don't let complacency on part of someone who isn't actually feeling an impetus-giving sensation look like anything other than a man with his butt on a cushion.

razovor

2013-10-11, 05:13 AM

Ooo, New thread.

Hello people. I'm happy; was at my Students Union yesterday to propose a motion against developments by our university, and it passed completely unanimously. Everyone is celebrating here because of how soundly we destroyed the representatives the university sent to argue against us.

Does anyone need hugs?

Would anyone be willing to talk with me about a non-lgbt matter in Private or on our Mibbit? I trust you guys to have good advice, and respect confidentiality.

I was supposed to start HRT a month ago but my therapist forgot to fax a letter to my doctor. I think it was a sign to stop pursuing being out and transgender and just repress it all again. It was fun lurking I guess, but I need to stop seeing queer things if I'm not doing it anymore.

I don't want to tell you what to do, but if you want to try for HRT again, then I'll be here to try to be supportive when you need it.

~ Andrea

Heliomance

2013-10-11, 05:29 AM

Really? I have cloven hooves! We should totally hang out!

Pony - and by extension, unicorn - hooves aren't cloven. :smallconfused:

Moonwolf727

2013-10-11, 05:49 AM

Would anyone be willing to talk with me about a non-lgbt matter in Private or on our Mibbit? I trust you guys to have good advice, and respect confidentiality.

~ Andrea

Sure, if you dont mind doing it through PM's since im on my phone right now, I'll get on Mibbit later as I do everyday but that'll be in quite a few hours and I really dont think you want to wait that long, I'm fine with either method though.

~Gail~

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-11, 05:59 AM

Pony - and by extension, unicorn - hooves aren't cloven. :smallconfused:

How do we even know unicorns are related to ponies, and not goats? They even have beards and horns like goats.

razovor

2013-10-11, 06:11 AM

Sure, if you dont mind doing it through PM's since im on my phone right now, I'll get on Mibbit later as I do everyday but that'll be in quite a few hours and I really dont think you want to wait that long, I'm fine with either method though.

~Gail~

I'd rather wait. Mibbit is easier, and other people could join in as well.

I should clarify my topic is very triggery.

Godur

2013-10-11, 06:18 AM

Oh! new thread.
*Gather sticks and other debris to build new lair*

So, I'm being anxious about maybe (hopefully) hearing something from the therapist today. It's effectively distracting me from doing what I'm supposed to do.

Instead I'm keeping occupied with stupid short story writing.

Moonwolf727

2013-10-11, 06:43 AM

I'd rather wait. Mibbit is easier, and other people could join in as well.

I should clarify my topic is very triggery.

Fair enough, I'll get on as soon as I can then. And don't worry about triggers, I have very few, if they even qualify, and I don't really freak out over them anyway.

SiuiS

2013-10-11, 07:59 AM

Pony - and by extension, unicorn - hooves aren't cloven. :smallconfused:

Depends where ya look~!

http://31.media.tumblr.com/91f9661f207bce4d42aa07a3eaa417fd/tumblr_mr8u90LTOU1svooimo1_1280.png

turkishproverb

2013-10-11, 08:40 AM

SiuiS

2013-10-11, 09:22 AM

Mibbit is actually a browser native IC program. You type in chat dot mibbit dot com, and then set your server and channel there. It's a pretty neat program.

turkishproverb

2013-10-11, 10:39 AM

Ah. Interesting, I'll say that.

...

I might check it out some time.

Durmatagno

2013-10-11, 10:45 AM

Ah. Interesting, I'll say that.

...

I might check it out some time.

Its how Moon and I talk mainly.

razovor

2013-10-11, 10:51 AM

LGBTAitp's mibbit is here (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23lgbtaitp&server=irc.gamesurge.net)

turkishproverb

2013-10-11, 10:54 AM

I guess that's good to know.

noparlpf

2013-10-11, 10:55 AM

Astrella

2013-10-11, 10:55 AM

LGBTAitp's mibbit is here (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23lgbtaitp&server=irc.gamesurge.net)

Oh, thank you, I couldn't get it working anymore.

Jaycemonde

2013-10-11, 10:58 AM

Really? I have cloven hooves! We should totally hang out!

Re-ally? We totally should! Gotta warn you though, only got two hooves on this end.

(Seems like everybody is having trouble getting HRT. I have to wonder if it's not a massive gatekeeping conspiracy.)

Normally I think conspiracy theories are horsecrap, but in this case 'm actually convinced it's the case.

Jormengand

2013-10-11, 11:03 AM

Since it is clearly established that what would make me more comfortable are all things that make a lot of other people uncomfortable, I would say the answer is nothing. I have just resigned myself to that, as long as I'm allowed to whine from time to time.

Sure, you can whine. Everyone does once in a while.

ION, my counselor was still terrible. Old news. See! Everyone whines sometimes.

turkishproverb

2013-10-11, 11:04 AM

Grr...still trying to set up a second (well...third) net presence. pain.

The Rose Dragon

2013-10-11, 11:04 AM

Normally I think conspiracy theories are horsecrap, but in this case 'm actually convinced it's the case.

I don't think it is a conspiracy, but there might be some truth to the whole gatekeeping thing. Hormone therapy is rather involved, after all, and the doctors probably want to make absolutely sure it is the right course of action to take before going through with it.

Then again, considering reversal of vaginoplasty is apparently a thing, some people must still slip through the cracks from time to time.

Miriel

2013-10-11, 11:27 AM

I was supposed to start HRT a month ago but my therapist forgot to fax a letter to my doctor. I think it was a sign to stop pursuing being out and transgender and just repress it all again. It was fun lurking I guess, but I need to stop seeing queer things if I'm not doing it anymore.
I don't think you should understand it like that...

Lies! Only a vampire could look that good!!! :smallsmile:
I don't believe you :smallredface:

First, your posture is already feminine and super cute, clothes too. So that's a good start :smallsmile:
:smallsmile: :smallredface:

Now a few things you could try:

Plucking your eyebrows would probably help a lot. I have problems with mine too and was a bit surprised as to how much they affect the overall impression. I'm still in the process of learning how to do it right though, so i can't really give any tips for that.

Since your next priority is makeup you should be able to conceal your beard shadow quite a bit. I'm no expert in this (you can still see mine when i wear makeup) but there's a little trick that supposedly makes it easier (i'm not sure if it works for me): Use an orange lipstick on areas with beard shadow before applying makeup. Not too much though ^^
I will try that. We shall see...

And i found (at least for me) that a ponytail doesn't look as feminine as other hairstyles. You could experiment a bit there, i just wear my hair down. Specifically, covering the ears is one thing that may or may not make a difference.
Just letting my hair go as they wish really, really bugs me. They get stuck in my bag's straps, or in my headphones, or elsewhere. But most importantly, I can't stand having hair around my ears.

Useful makeup video on trans foundation techniques (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPySlqC0mDk). Lisa Eldridge's videos are really good too (http://www.youtube.com/user/lisaeldridgedotcom/videos) for selecting what makeups and such.
Main thing is finding a makeup that suits your skin type and colour. Though be aware that I had oily to normal skin but since I've been on HRT it's gone to normal to dry so may change over time.

Also as a personal update things got worse and I spent some time in hospital and saw a psychiatrist and am going to be getting ongoing help now.
Thanks for the makeup tips. I think I'll want to find someone IRL to help me on this, because I have no idea if my skin is oily or not...

Otherwise, good luck, I hope it will go well for you. If you want, I have above average experience about mental health (...) and some of the complex processes thereof, so you can PM me.

KenderWizard

2013-10-11, 12:31 PM

Happy Coming Out Day, everyone!

Also, I feel like I need a general name to reference me as a whole, rather than as a sum of my parts. Ehh, I'll think of one.

~Antony~

Well, what about Jor or Jormengand? Like, presumably you picked that for a reason? I go by Kender here, from my forum name, even though my real name is Emily.

Oh, I got an address for laser from a friend of mine. It's really close by and it's at the university's dermatology department. Now I just need to work up courage to make an appointment. (I'm also not sure what name to make it under.)

Also my new shirts are so comfy, it's great. :D

Good luck! If it's attached to the university, I'd say make it in the name under which you're registered? Or if you'll be using a medical card or insurance or something, use the name that's registered under. Or put down both, like I go by a different name to my birth name, so I often use "[first name] [other first name] [surname]".

I was supposed to start HRT a month ago but my therapist forgot to fax a letter to my doctor. I think it was a sign to stop pursuing being out and transgender and just repress it all again. It was fun lurking I guess, but I need to stop seeing queer things if I'm not doing it anymore.

No, that is not a sign. It might be a sign to yourself that you're nervous, and part of you would be relieved if something came in and prevented you from going through transition, because change is scary, and sometimes it seems like it's easier to stick with the crap we have rather than work to change it. And sometimes it is easier, but it's usually not worth it. You are worth working for. There's a lot that's hard about making big life changes, but it's worth making the changes we need in our lives, rather than just repressing who we really are. Stay strong. And give out to that therapist.

Also as a personal update things got worse and I spent some time in hospital and saw a psychiatrist and am going to be getting ongoing help now.

I'm glad you're getting ongoing help from now on. I hope you're feeling better. <3

Jormengand

2013-10-11, 12:36 PM

Well, what about Jor or Jormengand? Like, presumably you picked that for a reason?

Well, not really, truth be told. :p

Astrella

2013-10-11, 12:47 PM

I don't think it is a conspiracy, but there might be some truth to the whole gatekeeping thing. Hormone therapy is rather involved, after all, and the doctors probably want to make absolutely sure it is the right course of action to take before going through with it.

Then again, considering reversal of vaginoplasty is apparently a thing, some people must still slip through the cracks from time to time.

The problem is that basically all the dissatisfaction people have after transitioning is due to losing of social connections, people's bigotry and stuff like that.

And while the goal might be noble, the execution is often very horrible and incredibly gender-policing, especially for trans women. (Not to mention that a lot of trans healthcare doesn't even acknowledge non-binary people, or people who don't want bottom surgery, or people who don't express conventionally enough, etc.... )

Partysan

2013-10-11, 12:54 PM

Between Anthony, Anna and not existing, Anon might make for a fitting title :smallwink:

Also, Sabeki being so extremely hyperadorable (Can I hug you? I wanna hug you...) reminded me of a little smile I wanted to share with you all:

Now I was at a fair (Fränkisches Volksfest Crailsheim) because my grandfather had been telling me to go for about a decade (he lives there) and since my grandmother can't go anymore, we went. So I am absolutely not the type for these things, loved them as a child but I tend to find them very phony traditional and conservative and generally uncomfortable.
On the fair a lot of people were wearing traditional garb known even to non-Germans (dirndl for women, lederhosen for men) but, there was a little girl, elementary school or even preschool, wearing the boy's garb. It was really cute, the heavily gendered garb all around and a little girl in lederhosen. Way to break the mold, little one!

Also, may I please read that story as well, Lauren?

SiuiS

2013-10-11, 01:10 PM

Re-ally? We totally should! Gotta warn you though, only got two hooves on this end.

Oh, that's okay! I only have two at this end, too!

*wiggles rump* and also two at that end~!

Mina Kobold

2013-10-11, 01:30 PM

Also as a personal update things got worse and I spent some time in hospital and saw a psychiatrist and am going to be getting ongoing help now.

Edit: Lauren, I'm 31 next year so we can be old together.

Oh dear, I hope it doesn't remain bad and that psychiatric help will be a big help. Which sounds really stupid for me to say, sorry, but you deserve much better than being hospitalised levels of worse. You are very awesome and wonderful. :smallsmile:

And you're old enough to be old with another awesome person. Jelly. >_<

Depends where ya look~!

http://31.media.tumblr.com/91f9661f207bce4d42aa07a3eaa417fd/tumblr_mr8u90LTOU1svooimo1_1280.png

Ooh, that is very well drawn. Quite an interesting idea to depict the characters through a different version of the mythological unicorn. :3

If anything it's a sign your therapist is a ditz. (Or worse things.) Just nag them to fax that letter, don't give up.

(Seems like everybody is having trouble getting HRT. I have to wonder if it's not a massive gatekeeping conspiracy.)

I personally blame societal factors that code transgender identity and choices as negative and shameful, thus being so undesirable that help must only be given reluctantly and only if no other option exists.

Granted, I miiiiiight be a teensy bit biased by having my mum and most everybody I've met treat LGBTAPQ+ stuff as a strange circus freak thing that only weird strangers do. Also strange and monocle-drop-inducing. And Strange. :<

KenderWizard

2013-10-11, 03:03 PM

Well, not really, truth be told. :p

.... But... then how did it happen?!

Between Anthony, Anna and not existing, Anon might make for a fitting title :smallwink:

Also, Sabeki being so extremely hyperadorable (Can I hug you? I wanna hug you...) reminded me of a little smile I wanted to share with you all:

Now I was at a fair (Fränkisches Volksfest Crailsheim) because my grandfather had been telling me to go for about a decade (he lives there) and since my grandmother can't go anymore, we went. So I am absolutely not the type for these things, loved them as a child but I tend to find them very phony traditional and conservative and generally uncomfortable.
On the fair a lot of people were wearing traditional garb known even to non-Germans (dirndl for women, lederhosen for men) but, there was a little girl, elementary school or even preschool, wearing the boy's garb. It was really cute, the heavily gendered garb all around and a little girl in lederhosen. Way to break the mold, little one!

Also, may I please read that story as well, Lauren?

(a) Anon is a good name for Jor.
(b) Sabeki is TOTES ADORBS OMG.
(c) I've heard that German traditional fairs are pretty sexist. Specifically, I've heard that young women who work at them wearing dirndl get harassed a lot and the fairs/festivals don't care, because they see the young women's job to be attractive and attract the presumed straight male demographic.
(d) But way to go, little kid, for rocking those gender norms!

Jormengand

2013-10-11, 03:10 PM

(a) Anon is a good name for Jor.

"Anonymous" literally means "Nameless" and actually means "Unknown," which is hardly true in either case.

Reality Glitch

2013-10-11, 03:27 PM

Clearly not a vampire. Vampires don't show up in photos, duh. If you looked like a vampire, we'd just see the outfit suspended in midair...Vampires don't show up in Silver-based photography, digital cameras and mirrors w/o any silver in them will still show them.

KenderWizard

2013-10-11, 04:00 PM

"Anonymous" literally means "Nameless" and actually means "Unknown," which is hardly true in either case.

I'm sticking with Jor in any case. I think it's a cute name. :smallwink: Unless you tell me you prefer something else.

Vampires don't show up in Silver-based photography, digital cameras and mirrors w/o any silver in them will still show them.

Ooh, interesting. That makes sense. So they would have reflections in, say, a pool of water? Interesting.

Jormengand

2013-10-11, 04:02 PM

I'm sticking with Jor in any case. I think it's a cute name. :smallwink: Unless you tell me you prefer something else.

All right.

After doing the research, I am convinced that Jormungandr is a norse sex joke. I mean, a giant snake whose name means "Mighty rod"? Really now?

Miriel

2013-10-11, 04:08 PM

After doing the research, I am convinced that Jormungandr is a norse sex joke. I mean, a giant snake whose name means "Mighty rod"? Really now?
As many scholars have said, the difference between historical Fine Arts, Litterature and Myths on the one hand and historical sexual or scatological jokes and porn on the other hand is very small.

Just google "marginalia" for medieval examples (NSFW). Yes, whatever images you will see might be from a Bible.

Jormengand

2013-10-11, 04:14 PM

As many scholars have said, the difference between historical Fine Arts, Litterature and Myths on the one hand and historical sexual or scatological jokes and porn on the other hand is very small.

Just google "marginalia" for medieval examples (NSFW). Yes, whatever images you will see might be from a Bible.

Heh. Thanks, but I'm not sure I want to see. :p

In any case, I'm tired. Bedtime for me, I think.

~Anna~

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 04:17 PM

Jormengand

2013-10-11, 04:19 PM

I still think Comrade Jing, The Ever-Shifting Lion is a good name.

I don't get the reference.

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 04:28 PM

I don't get the reference.
There is no reference; I lack the knowledge for it.

You are Comrade Jing because you username begins with J; you are The Ever-Shifting Lion because of your gender fluidity.

Jormengand

2013-10-11, 04:31 PM

There is no reference; I lack the knowledge for it.

You are Comrade Jing because you username begins with J; you are The Ever-Shifting Lion because of your gender fluidity.

But...

Okay, go back to sleep, comrade. And whatever random stuff is going through your mind, I pray that it is less crazy when you wake up.

That said, I'm actually off to bed now. Night.

Iruka

2013-10-11, 04:46 PM

(c) I've heard that German traditional fairs are pretty sexist. Specifically, I've heard that young women who work at them wearing dirndl get harassed a lot and the fairs/festivals don't care, because they see the young women's job to be attractive and attract the presumed straight male demographic.

While I can't remember hearing about any specific incidents, I'm afraid that this sounds realistic. Though I think it's less "Harassing the waitresses is part of the Volksfest experience, we need it to attract customers." and more like "Don't want to get harassed by drunk men? Feel free to quit, there are enough people who want that job." AFAIK, serving in a tent at the big fairs pays quite well.

Vampires don't show up in Silver-based photography, digital cameras and mirrors w/o any silver in them will still show them.

Intresting, never occured to that this is the reason far a lack of a mirror image. But then, I thought silver was exclusively a werewolf thing.

Jaycemonde

2013-10-11, 04:51 PM

Oh, that's okay! I only have two at this end, too!

*wiggles rump* and also two at that end~!

As in I've got two at the bottom end and two not-hooves near the upper end. You silly.

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 04:57 PM

But...

Okay, go back to sleep, comrade. And whatever random stuff is going through your mind, I pray that it is less crazy when you wake up.
Do you not like your nickname, comrade?

That said, I'm actually off to bed now. Night.
Have a good respite!

Sabeki

2013-10-11, 05:06 PM

Reality Glitch

2013-10-11, 05:08 PM

Intresting, never occured to that this is the reason far a lack of a mirror image. But then, I thought silver was exclusively a werewolf thing.Werewolves are harmed by contact w/ Silver (for whatever reason, I don't know, probably chemical toxicity.). Sliver is also believed to have spiritual properties, to the extent of: it doesn't reflect Earthly light, but that of the soul; this means creatures w/o soul (i.e. Vampires, etc.) don't appear on it.

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 05:11 PM

Also, did you know today is supposedly National Coming Out day?
Indeed! :smallsmile:

turkishproverb

2013-10-11, 05:30 PM

I'm still mixed on that day. I some of us came out to most people, it would result in a blunt object to the head.

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 05:37 PM

I'm still mixed on that day. I some of us came out to most people, it would result in a blunt object to the head.
Indeed true.

Akowrules

2013-10-11, 05:40 PM

@ jor: I think that 404 is a good nickname, though I agree that jor also works ( though the lewd link to mythology seems to suggest male, even if the link is obscure)

ION, thanks to all for the compliments. I think I'm being choked by all the hugs :smalleek:. Also, did you know today is supposedly National Coming Out day?

Yup! I helped with the GSA board at school in honor of it. We all wrote anonymous coming out stories and tips on to help with coming out on sticky notes. It was fun!

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 05:46 PM

Yup! I helped with the GSA board at school in honor of it. We all wrote anonymous coming out stories and tips on to help with coming out on sticky notes. It was fun!
Oh, nice...!

Miriel

2013-10-11, 05:52 PM

Had I known earlier about that, I would have poked my alledged Chairman of the Equity Committee.

Lauren

2013-10-11, 06:24 PM

Happy Coming Out Day, everyone!

Thank you, likewise to you. I tried to do it on Facebook but after the last time going somewhat haywire I just posted 'Happy National Coming Out Day, if you need to know ask' or something like that.

Also, may I please read that story as well, Lauren?

Yes, for sure. I am currently beating it into legible formatting after GDocs messed with it bigtime. NB too it's unfinished (I do have notes about which chapters need completing) and there's a chunk of 2000 words missing right at one of the important parts because I somehow saved an older draft over the newer version. I will PM you and Juniper once I have it ready.

Chess435

2013-10-11, 06:29 PM

The Shadowmind

2013-10-11, 06:44 PM

Might as well post my photo for coming out day as well.
This thing doesn't take good pictures and I need to smile more:

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/1769/b390.png

Lauren

2013-10-11, 07:18 PM

It's okay, Shadowmind, I'm awful at smiling too. Stems from having braces as a child and not wanting people to see them. (My teeth ache just thinking about it.)

But that top is very striking! Very nice photo overall even without a smile.

Sabeki

2013-10-11, 07:46 PM

Indeed.
@akow: How fun!!!

Akowrules

2013-10-11, 09:04 PM

Might as well post my photo for coming out day as well.
This thing doesn't take good pictures and I need to smile more:

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/1769/b390.png

You look absolutely fabulous!!! And smiling is an issue for me too. I feel that I look a bit weird when smiling.

Sabeki

2013-10-11, 10:25 PM

Just came out to Dad and Step Mom! Yaaayyyy!!! It's coming out day, so yeah. Got the speech of Your still young' but otherwise good! They support me and are advising me a lot.

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 10:28 PM

This is why you don't mess with Sophia. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/tiershift-56105960) :smalltongue:

(Since I have a Shaymin avvie, and Karen has a Eevee, we picked a pokemon for each other harem member, and I made a competitive team. We're 6 wins, 4 losses, and a draw so far :smallbiggrin:.)
Oh, sounds fun! It reminds me of the time I used to play these online [pocket monster] battles.

Might as well post my photo for coming out day as well.
This thing doesn't take good pictures and I need to smile more:

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/1769/b390.png

Ah, your bathroom! It looks big and expensive.

Just came out to Dad and Step Mom! Yaaayyyy!!! It's coming out day, so yeah. Got the speech of Your still young' but otherwise good! They support me and are advising me a lot.
Hooray!

Sabeki

2013-10-11, 10:49 PM

Dad started tearing up a bit, but otherwise good!

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 10:54 PM

Dad started tearing up a bit, but otherwise good!
Tears of joy or tears or sorrow?

Sabeki

2013-10-11, 11:06 PM

Of love, of course. :smallsmile::

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 11:08 PM

Of love, of course. :smallsmile::
Of course! They probably cry constantly, all the time. :smallsmile:

golentan

2013-10-11, 11:11 PM

My supervisor at my clinical rotations site is married to another woman, and they have some lovely kids. I like seeing people in happy marriages: It also made a difference to two of my friends who couldn't get a green card until recently with regards to their marital status (one of them was from New Zealand). It feels really good to know that the progress of the past several years isn't just some abstract thing, and to put a human face on things (naturally my face, not being human, doesn't count).

Sorry, hope it's not too political...

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 11:14 PM

Sabeki

2013-10-11, 11:22 PM

Agreed. Progress is good. Unless its progress towards the abominations threatening to kill us all in the depths of space.

Colonel Fedora

2013-10-11, 11:28 PM

Can any of you wonderful individuals give good name suggestions? Awesome and/or hilarious names welcome; I was thinking Kilroy.

MtoF in case anyone forgot.

golentan

2013-10-11, 11:28 PM

Agreed. Progress is good. Unless its progress towards the abominations threatening to kill us all in the depths of space.

I'm not threatening. I don't threaten people, it's mean.

turkishproverb

2013-10-11, 11:32 PM

So you say now.

TaiLiu

2013-10-11, 11:34 PM

Agreed. Progress is good. Unless its progress towards the abominations threatening to kill us all in the depths of space.
Ah, true!

Can any of you wonderful individuals give good name suggestions? Awesome and/or hilarious names welcome; I was thinking Kilroy.

MtoF in case anyone forgot.
Comrade Feng, The Once-Shifted Tiger!

Sabeki

2013-10-11, 11:53 PM

I'm not threatening. I don't threaten people, it's mean.

That.. That was a Lovecraft reference... :smallconfused:

golentan

2013-10-12, 12:00 AM

That.. That was a Lovecraft reference... :smallconfused:

Yes. I know. :smallbiggrin:

Miriel

2013-10-12, 12:02 AM

I think I've chosen a name :smallredface:

Caroline. (Ideally, pronounced as in French, with the "a" as in "bat" and in with the "i" as in "fin", not as in "base" or "rise".)

But Adélaïde is a close second. I might choose that, and like it as much, but it is much rarer. And somehow, it sticks less to me.

EDIT: This is under the consideration that I already have a cousin named Catherine...

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 12:12 AM

I think I've chosen a name :smallredface:

Caroline. (Ideally, pronounced as in French, with the "a" as in "bat" and in with the "i" as in "fin", not as in "base" or "rise".)

But Adélaïde is a close second. I might choose that, and like it as much, but it is much rarer. And somehow, it sticks less to me.
Ah, I like them - the first because it is fanciful, the second because it is unpronounceable. Why did you choose them?

Skeppio

2013-10-12, 12:30 AM

Serpentine

2013-10-12, 12:32 AM

Adelaide is one of the more disappointing Australian cities...

As a person's name I don't actually mind it, but it will have certain connotations if you ever go to Australia.

Miriel

2013-10-12, 01:20 AM

Ah, I like them - the first because it is fanciful, the second because it is unpronounceable. Why did you choose them?
Where I live, the first is a very unoriginal name and the second is far from frequent, but very pronounceable :smalltongue:

Caroline is a stock French name, so it needs not explanation. I like how it sounds -- with two liquid consonants, a velar plosive + "a" in the beginning and a "i" + consonant ending. However, it is a feminized version of a masculine name (derivatives of Carolus > Charles, Karl) which has the sad meaning of "man, free man" (as in Nordic huskarl). It is often shortened to Caro, which loses the ringing ending. For some reason, it feels appropriate anyway.

Adélaïde has similar characteristics, except that it's very rare and original. Soundwise, again an "a" at the beginning and a "i" + consonant ending, in addition to one liquid consonant and a hiatus (bonus points for the diaeresis). Contrary to Caroline, it is a full, autonomous female name, with a very interesting etymology: adal, "noble" (it gave the German Adel, the Anglo-saxon name Æthelred) + -heid (cf. the suffixes -hood or -heit in German, my favorite suffix with the latin equivalent -tas > it. -tà, fr. -té, sp. -dad, eng. -ty, ger. -tät in loanwoards). Still, it is a bit long at 4 syllables, and I dislike all the shortened forms I can imagine (Adèle, Adé, Ada, Adi, Laïde... Meh.).

On the importance of pronunciation, other contenders were Catherine (velar plosive + a, 1 liquid consonant, i + consonant ending), Gabrielle (velar plosive + "a", 2 liquid consonants, hiatus in French, "el" ending), Anaïs (starts with "a", hiatus, i + consonant ending). All were eliminated for other reasons. In any case, neither Gabrielle nor Anaïs are as good as the others. I would really like Catherine, I always felt something special towards that name, but a cousin of mine is named Catherine.

Other candidates were eliminated because I don't want to choose a name out of my personal interests: e.g., Daria (see avatar), Elanor (Samwise Gamgy's daughter and a flower of Lothlorien), Miriel (mother of Feänor). Still, Adélaïde is sort of Tolkienesque -- it means "nobility", whereas Arwen's name is ar-, "noble", and wen, "maiden" (cf. Eärwen, "sea-maiden", or my first D&D character Melwen, "loved maiden").

EDIT:

Adelaide is one of the more disappointing Australian cities...

As a person's name I don't actually mind it, but it will have certain connotations if you ever go to Australia.
I knew the city, not the disappointment. Gladly, going to Australia is not in my plans.

The difference of pronunciation between French and English is pretty noticeable, too.

And thank you Skeppio :smallsmile:

Heliomance

2013-10-12, 07:40 AM

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5009564_460s_v1.jpg

KenderWizard

2013-10-12, 10:02 AM

^ That is adorable.

All right.

After doing the research, I am convinced that Jormungandr is a norse sex joke. I mean, a giant snake whose name means "Mighty rod"? Really now?

Yep, that's pretty damning evidence.

While I can't remember hearing about any specific incidents, I'm afraid that this sounds realistic. Though I think it's less "Harassing the waitresses is part of the Volksfest experience, we need it to attract customers." and more like "Don't want to get harassed by drunk men? Feel free to quit, there are enough people who want that job." AFAIK, serving in a tent at the big fairs pays quite well.

Yeah, neither of those are good attitudes to have. I hate when people think they can take advantage of workers due to economic forces making their job popular. Like "unskilled labour" jobs in times of high unemployment, or modelling jobs for teenagers.

Just came out to Dad and Step Mom! Yaaayyyy!!! It's coming out day, so yeah. Got the speech of Your still young' but otherwise good! They support me and are advising me a lot.

Yaaaay! :smallbiggrin: So glad to hear that!

I think I've chosen a name :smallredface:

Caroline. (Ideally, pronounced as in French, with the "a" as in "bat" and in with the "i" as in "fin", not as in "base" or "rise".)

But Adélaïde is a close second. I might choose that, and like it as much, but it is much rarer. And somehow, it sticks less to me.

EDIT: This is under the consideration that I already have a cousin named Catherine...

Caroline is a lovely name!

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 01:17 PM

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5009564_460s_v1.jpg

This has all of my yes.

Iruka

2013-10-12, 01:23 PM

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5009564_460s_v1.jpg

Awesome! :smallbiggrin:

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 01:24 PM

This has all of my yes.

This would have all of my yes, except that it brings to mind a moderately transphobic joke that my French teacher has a tendency to make regarding the transformers whenever anyone gets their (grammatical) genders wrong.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 01:24 PM

Oh, that's too bad...

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 01:30 PM

Oh, that's too bad...

Though, it's actually more offensive to genderfluid people. I wonder who's one of those.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 01:39 PM

Freaking education. Dee, this is why
i'm going to tear that k8nd of system down. Well, in America, at least.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 01:51 PM

Double post, sorry, but I think this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nI6TwWm5k) describes everyone in this thread :smallsmile:

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 01:56 PM

Freaking education. Dee, this is why
i'm going to tear that k8nd of system down. Well, in America, at least.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the ocean...

Nah, my teacher's generally nice, and I think that the jokes are more because he wouldn't know what a trans* person was if one stripped in front of him than because he actually has any malicious intent.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 01:58 PM

Ah, my mistake. I live in a school where tachers csn get away with this maliciously, so when you said that, I assume. And assumptions make an ass of u and me.

Akowrules

2013-10-12, 02:00 PM

Just came out to Dad and Step Mom! Yaaayyyy!!! It's coming out day, so yeah. Got the speech of Your still young' but otherwise good! They support me and are advising me a lot.

Awesome!!!! I'm glad everything went well!! And good job!!! :smallbiggrin:

I think I've chosen a name :smallredface:

Caroline. (Ideally, pronounced as in French, with the "a" as in "bat" and in with the "i" as in "fin", not as in "base" or "rise".)

But Adélaïde is a close second. I might choose that, and like it as much, but it is much rarer. And somehow, it sticks less to me.

EDIT: This is under the consideration that I already have a cousin named Catherine...

Caroline is such a pretty name. I love it!!! I'm glad you're coming close to making a decision (if you haven't already made one). :smallbiggrin:

News about me: So I'm applying to UW Parkside and I have to write a statement. Halfway through, I decide to use the save button on the bottom of the screen, which the application SAYS to use. I then find myself logged out of the application process, relog in, and find all my work gone. I'm not happy about this. In the slightest. An entire half hour is now gone. :smallmad:

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 02:00 PM

Ah, my mistake. I live in a school where tachers csn get away with this maliciously, so when you said that, I assume. And assumptions make an ass of u and me.

Hrrm, yeah. I think that in England, there seems to be a lot less knowledge but also a lot less misinformation of what trans issues are all about, so there's a lot less maliciousness about it.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 02:04 PM

News about me: So I'm applying to UW Parkside and I have to write a statement. Halfway through, I decide to use the save button on the bottom of the screen, which the application SAYS to use. I then find myself logged out of the application process, relog in, and find all my work gone. I'm not happy about this. In the slightest. An entire half hour is now gone. :smallmad:

You should report this to tech, or something. It seems to be quite a big bug.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 03:26 PM

Where I live, the first is a very unoriginal name and the second is far from frequent, but very pronounceable :smalltongue:

Caroline is a stock French name, so it needs not explanation. I like how it sounds -- with two liquid consonants, a velar plosive + "a" in the beginning and a "i" + consonant ending. However, it is a feminized version of a masculine name (derivatives of Carolus > Charles, Karl) which has the sad meaning of "man, free man" (as in Nordic huskarl). It is often shortened to Caro, which loses the ringing ending. For some reason, it feels appropriate anyway.

Adélaïde has similar characteristics, except that it's very rare and original. Soundwise, again an "a" at the beginning and a "i" + consonant ending, in addition to one liquid consonant and a hiatus (bonus points for the diaeresis). Contrary to Caroline, it is a full, autonomous female name, with a very interesting etymology: adal, "noble" (it gave the German Adel, the Anglo-saxon name Æthelred) + -heid (cf. the suffixes -hood or -heit in German, my favorite suffix with the latin equivalent -tas > it. -tà, fr. -té, sp. -dad, eng. -ty, ger. -tät in loanwoards). Still, it is a bit long at 4 syllables, and I dislike all the shortened forms I can imagine (Adèle, Adé, Ada, Adi, Laïde... Meh.).
Ah, interesting!

News about me: So I'm applying to UW Parkside and I have to write a statement. Halfway through, I decide to use the save button on the bottom of the screen, which the application SAYS to use. I then find myself logged out of the application process, relog in, and find all my work gone. I'm not happy about this. In the slightest. An entire half hour is now gone. :smallmad:
Unfortunate, but I suppose you can now fly through it with ease, yes?

Akowrules

2013-10-12, 03:35 PM

Unfortunate, but I suppose you can now fly through it with ease, yes?

No, not really. But I've redone it anyway, and I had to do a second statement as well. Now I'm on my third (technically fourth, if we're counting the first unfinished statement) statement of the day. This ones for Carthage's presidential scholarships. Aaaaaand it's gotta be under 250 words. I'm a very wordy person, so I think I'll have issues :smalleek:

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 03:38 PM

No, not really. But I've redone it anyway, and I had to do a second statement as well. Now I'm on my third (technically fourth, if we're counting the first unfinished statement) statement of the day. This ones for Carthage's presidential scholarships. Aaaaaand it's gotta be under 250 words. I'm a very wordy person, so I think I'll have issues :smalleek:
Ah, I understand. Perhaps you could get a concise friend, who will help you trim it.

Alternately, write it in another language that can convey the information desired in a shortened format.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 03:54 PM

And if you write in another language, than you'll seem smarter!

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 03:57 PM

And if you write in another language, than you'll seem smarter!
Oo, additional advantage! And make every other word/character a different language for even more perceived intelligence!

Jaycemonde

2013-10-12, 04:07 PM

Oo, additional advantage! And make every other word/character a different language for even more perceived intelligence!

That only counts if you can figure out how to string them all together in a legible way, even with the crazy grammar differences.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 04:12 PM

That only counts if you can figure out how to string them all together in a legible way, even with the crazy grammar differences.
Indeed, which is why one chooses related languages. And, hey, if one succeeds in managing to balance all the words and grammar...!

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 04:14 PM

they'll succeed in pissing the person reading it off!

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 04:16 PM

they'll succeed in pissing the person reading it off!
I was going to say that one's perceived intellect would increase further, but that works.

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 04:19 PM

I was going to say that one's perceived intellect would increase further, but that works.

Aren't those two different ways of saying the same thing? :smalltongue:

~Antony~

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 04:21 PM

Aren't those two different ways of saying the same thing? :smalltongue:
Well, I suppose it depends on the temperament of the human reading it.

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 04:26 PM

Well, I suppose it depends on the temperament of the human reading it.

That's true. I, personally, am a very temperamental human. :smallfurious:

Not really.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 04:29 PM

That's true. I, personally, am a very temperamental human. :smallfurious:

Not really.
Indeed. After all, you are obviously a lion. :smalltongue:

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 04:43 PM

That's true. I, personally, am a very temperamental human. :smallfurious:

Not really.

I am as well. I also enjoy creating origami paper tigers

100 points if you get the reference.

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 05:09 PM

Indeed. After all, you are obviously a lion. :smalltongue:

I still need to find a more sensible, but not necessarily name-y, name for me overall. Excessive replaying of the MARDEK games suggests Legion (for we are many!)

Without going into too much detail about the biblical implications, thoughts?

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 05:27 PM

Jormengand

2013-10-12, 05:30 PM

WE ARE LEGION. WE WILL KILLYOU ALL. WE WILL FIND YOU. WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. WHERE YOURFAMILIES LIVE. WE KNOW ALL. WE ARE LEGION.

... On a slightly less creepy topic, the sun is shining outside and
I'm on a computer.

The sun is shining? :smallconfused:

Oh, yeah, time zones. That makes more sense.

Anyway, Legion. I like it. I think I'll keep it.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 06:06 PM

... On a slightly less creepy topic, the sun is shining outside and
I'm on a computer.
Fun!

Anyway, Legion. I like it. I think I'll keep it.
Aw. I suppose Comrade Jing, The Ever-Shifting Lion needs to find a new name-keeper, now...

Akowrules

2013-10-12, 06:12 PM

Ah, I understand. Perhaps you could get a concise friend, who will help you trim it.

Alternately, write it in another language that can convey the information desired in a shortened format.

Actually, I got it done within half an hour. Without going over the limit. A total of 245 words, yes!!

they'll succeed in pissing the person reading it off!

That's something I'm not trying to do, even if it is one of the things I do like to do from time to time to the people that generally do it to me. I'm supposed to be doing two things I hate: a** kissing and glorifying myself.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 06:16 PM

That's something I'm not trying to do, even if it is one of the things I do like to do from time to time to the people that generally do it to me. I'm supposed to be doing two things I hate: a** kissing and glorifying myself.
That's the college résumé in a nutshell! You may be doing those two things for a while, comrade.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 06:18 PM

Actually, I got it done within half an hour. Without going over the limit. A total of 245 words, yes!!

That's something I'm not trying to do, even if it is one of the things I do like to do from time to time to the people that generally do it to me. I'm supposed to be doing two things I hate: a** kissing and glorifying myself.

I now admire you. I also dislike ass kissing, but I do tend to have a large amount of hubris.

Miriel

2013-10-12, 06:23 PM

Caroline is a lovely name!
Thank you!

Caroline is such a pretty name. I love it!!! I'm glad you're coming close to making a decision (if you haven't already made one). :smallbiggrin:
Thank you :smallsmile:

I don't know if I've ever taken a decision, but I know I do things and it feels natural and I want to continue doing things.

I bought some more new clothes, a skirt even :smallredface: And some shoes, but they don't match I think. And I was wearing openly the ones I already had while buying the new ones :smallsmile:

Akowrules

2013-10-12, 06:47 PM

I now admire you. I also dislike ass kissing, but I do tend to have a large amount of hubris.

Admire me? What do I have that makes me admirable? :smallconfused:

Thank you!

Thank you :smallsmile:

I don't know if I've ever taken a decision, but I know I do things and it feels natural and I want to continue doing things.

I bought some more new clothes, a skirt even :smallredface: And some shoes, but they don't match I think. And I was wearing openly the ones I already had while buying the new ones :smallsmile:

That's awesome! And, from what I've seen, clashing is in. At least, in some ways. Anyway, I'm sure they look fabulous!!! :smallbiggrin:

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 06:48 PM

I bought some more new clothes, a skirt even :smallredface: And some shoes, but they don't match I think. And I was wearing openly the ones I already had while buying the new ones :smallsmile:
Nice! Are you going to take addition photos [in new environments]?

Admire me? What do I have that makes me admirable? :smallconfused:
Your lack of cockiness, I suppose.

Lauren

2013-10-12, 07:18 PM

Can any of you wonderful individuals give good name suggestions? Awesome and/or hilarious names welcome; I was thinking Kilroy.

MtoF in case anyone forgot.

I tried to think but Kilroy is so cool that I had trouble. Alexis comes to mind. Rowena, Frances, Matilda? You could always pick a meaning and see what names correspond to that meaning on Behind the Name (http://www.behindthename.com/).

I think I've chosen a name :smallredface:

Caroline. (Ideally, pronounced as in French, with the "a" as in "bat" and in with the "i" as in "fin", not as in "base" or "rise".)

But Adélaïde is a close second. I might choose that, and like it as much, but it is much rarer. And somehow, it sticks less to me.

EDIT: This is under the consideration that I already have a cousin named Catherine...

I feel that Caroline and Catherine are different enough for there to not be any confusion. As another Australian I do balk a little at Adélaïde.

I knew the city, not the disappointment. Gladly, going to Australia is not in my plans.

Aw. But Australia is awesome!

Double post, sorry, but I think this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1nI6TwWm5k) describes everyone in this thread :smallsmile:

If we're doing songs that could apply to most of us, I'll rec Vienna Teng's 'Level Up (http://youtu.be/9PQ_79IG2aY?t=1m40s)'. (It's live, but the link skips the talky bits, which are mostly unintelligible anyway.) Lyrics are here (http://viennateng.com/album/aims/#level-up).

No, not really. But I've redone it anyway, and I had to do a second statement as well. Now I'm on my third (technically fourth, if we're counting the first unfinished statement) statement of the day. This ones for Carthage's presidential scholarships. Aaaaaand it's gotta be under 250 words. I'm a very wordy person, so I think I'll have issues :smalleek:

I have one uni statement to write by the end of this month and I keep putting it off. Ironically it's for the Master of Communication. (They don't have a Mistress of Communication.) Best of luck with yours, Akow!

Chess435

2013-10-12, 07:32 PM

I still need to find a more sensible, but not necessarily name-y, name for me overall. Excessive replaying of the MARDEK games suggests Legion (for we are many!)

Without going into too much detail about the biblical implications, thoughts?

Am disappointed that Kong bugged and ended up denied me the Psychosomatic Exhaustion badge, and now I gotta play through everything again to get it. :smalltongue:

As for the name, it reallly doesn't namey at all, but it's certainly better than the 404 error at least.

Durmatagno

2013-10-12, 07:42 PM

So someones attacking the IRC I use to talk with C'nor and Moon, among others. I got booted from the channel for having an unregistered nick, and when I tried to register I go this message.

(User has been banned from MagicStar (The Magicstar Network does not condone the flooding and terroizing of channels and users.))

I am banned from my main method of talking with my Giant friends and my girlfriend for something I had no part in. ALKFNALDNLAKGNAPODNLAFGBASDN

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 07:45 PM

Am disappointed that Kong bugged and ended up denied me the Psychosomatic Exhaustion badge, and now I gotta play through everything again to get it. :smalltongue:

As for the name, it reallly doesn't namey at all, but it's certainly better than the 404 error at least.
Huh. What sort of game is this...?

So someones attacking the IRC I use to talk with C'nor and Moon, among others. I got booted from the channel for having an unregistered nick, and when I tried to register I go this message.

(User has been banned from MagicStar (The Magicstar Network does not condone the flooding and terroizing of channels and users.))

I am banned from my main method of talking with my Giant friends and my girlfriend for something I had no part in. ALKFNALDNLAKGNAPODNLAFGBASDN
Vexing, but solvable. Appeal to The Magicstar Network, comrade; there are humans behind the curtains.

Lauren

2013-10-12, 07:47 PM

Tangency, eh? RPG.net, eh? Intriguing. I'm naturally a quite tangential person, I must admit. I've had to actually rein it in pretty severely around these parts.

It is, indeed, a great word. Though probably sprogged is an improper conjugation of "sprog," but, then, if I'm wrong, I don't wanna be right. :smallamused:

I spend a loooot of time over there.

Oh, pffft, improper conjugations aside, it's too good to not be a word.

Durmatagno

2013-10-12, 07:53 PM

Huh. What sort of game is this...?

Vexing, but solvable. Appeal to The Magicstar Network, comrade; there are humans behind the curtains.

Been trying to, keep getting a 404 when I try to send the message through the onsite Contact Us! button.

Eldest

2013-10-12, 08:14 PM

Been trying to, keep getting a 404 when I try to send the message through the onsite Contact Us! button.

Skype good. Skype very good. But that might be an attack on the site itself.

Edit: took a bit of a look. Site is up. Email this guy, maybe? mailto:[email protected]

Chess435

2013-10-12, 08:23 PM

Huh. What sort of game is this...?

Chapter 1 (http://www.kongregate.com/games/Pseudolonewolf/mardek-rpg-chapter-1?acomplete=mardek)

Chapter 2 (http://www.kongregate.com/games/Pseudolonewolf/mardek-rpg-chapter-2?acomplete=mardek)

Chapter 3 (http://www.kongregate.com/games/Pseudolonewolf/mardek-rpg-chapter-3?acomplete=mardek)

Great games, but make sure to have a week or so set aside if you want to get everything in chapter 3. (Your save automatically carries over between chapters.) (Ch. 1 takes 30 minutes to an hour, Ch. 2 takes 7-8ish hours, Ch. 3 takes 30-50 depending on how thorough you are.)

Durmatagno

2013-10-12, 08:33 PM

Skype good. Skype very good. But that might be an attack on the site itself.

Edit: took a bit of a look. Site is up. Email this guy, maybe? mailto:[email protected]

Thank you, I've emailed them and hope they can/will help

I use skype with Moonwolf too, but we mainly use that IRC, partially because we have C'nor and other friends there

turkishproverb

2013-10-12, 08:46 PM

Grr...I hate weddings. Various family members keep trying to "Introduce" young women whom are friends of the bride or groom to me. :smallfrown:

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 09:15 PM

...!
Ah! Yes, hopefully, you will gain contact again.

Great games, but make sure to have a week or so set aside if you want to get everything in chapter 3. (Your save automatically carries over between chapters.) (Ch. 1 takes 30 minutes to an hour, Ch. 2 takes 7-8ish hours, Ch. 3 takes 30-50 depending on how thorough you are.)
Yes, it does look like it'll consume a lot of time.

Grr...I hate weddings. Various family members keep trying to "Introduce" young women whom are friends of the bride or groom to me. :smallfrown:
Most vexing! My condolences.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 09:19 PM

Admire me? What do I have that makes me admirable? :smallconfused:
:

Humility, o course. It's hard to find a humble person today.

Durmatagno

2013-10-12, 09:23 PM

Ah! Yes, hopefully, you will gain contact again.

Yes, it does look like it'll consume a lot of time.

Most vexing! My condolences.

Email got em, very fast response too.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 09:25 PM

Email got em, very fast response too.
Nice! I presume that you obtained entrance.

turkishproverb

2013-10-12, 09:25 PM

Most vexing! My condolences.

Thanks. It really gets annoying.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 09:33 PM

Thanks. It really gets annoying.
I empathise; relatives constantly ask if I'm dating yet.

I can't wait until they start the "why don't I have grandchildren yet" phrase. :smalltongue:

turkishproverb

2013-10-12, 09:35 PM

I empathise; relatives constantly ask if I'm dating yet.

I can't wait until they start the "why don't I have grandchildren yet" phrase. :smalltongue:

I have a lot of friends say that. Thing is, I can't explain to my family WHY I'm annoyed if not angry about these "introductions"

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 09:36 PM

It can get very annoying when anyone tries to push you like that. You have my utmost sympathies.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 09:37 PM

I have a lot of friends say that. Thing is, I can't explain to my family WHY I'm annoyed if not angry about these "introductions"
Indeed; it feels cruel to crush my parents' dreams.

turkishproverb

2013-10-12, 09:39 PM

It can get very annoying when anyone tries to push you like that. You have my utmost sympathies.

Thank you. The pushing alone is annoying, the secondaries make it so much worse.

Indeed; it feels cruel to crush my parents' dreams.

Problem is, I can't tell them why I'm not interested, and I can't answer "when will you get married" without the two things resulting in loud screaming fights and disowning.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 09:41 PM

Problem is, I can't tell them why I'm not interested, and I can't answer "when will you get married" without the two things resulting in loud screaming fights and disowning.
Yes, that is my fear as well.

Man, it feels good to be on the same chapter, metaphorically speaking.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 10:07 PM

Tai, it's strange how you can be so eloquent in one sentence and in the next be dropping man and on the same page. Though I do agree with you.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 10:10 PM

Tai, it's strange how you can be so eloquent in one sentence and in the next be dropping man and on the same page. Though I do agree with you.
Is it not? Like, totally, man!

Ahem. Yes, I suppose my speech patterns have many sources, and not all of them align with each other.

turkishproverb

2013-10-12, 10:13 PM

Yes, that is my fear as well.

Man, it feels good to be on the same chapter, metaphorically speaking.

That it does.

Tai, it's strange how you can be so eloquent in one sentence and in the next be dropping man and on the same page. Though I do agree with you.

It's like a beat poet!

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 10:19 PM

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 10:23 PM

That it does.
Agreed.

It's like a beat poet!
Indeed - one without any skill or talent. :smalltongue:

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 10:26 PM

Okay, writing (well, about to write) a script for a TV show for teh Lulz and to show to my Will Forte, my Step Dads cousin.
Does a show set on the Isle of Mann heavily dipping into the local mythology and dropping in Lovecraftian abominations from the Moon focusing on a group of boys from a prep school where they learn arcane subjects and sciences sound like a good show?
Hm. Add some love trapezoids for bonus points.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 10:28 PM

Is that a good hm or a bad hm?

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 10:29 PM

Is that a good hm or a bad hm?
The 'Hm' sound always defaults to True Neutral; there can be no good Hm or bad Hm.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 10:31 PM

Not been my experience. Though I may be thinking of 'hmph!', not hm.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 10:37 PM

Not been my experience. Though I may be thinking of 'hmph!', not hm.
Perhaps. The 'Hm' sound is short and blunt, and is not drawn out at all; it is, for some intentions and purposes, a highly sophisticated grunt.

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 10:41 PM

Hm. Hmmmmm. Hmph hm. Hm hm. Hmmm.

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 10:47 PM

Hm. Hmmmmm. Hmph hm. Hm hm. Hmmm.
Hm. :vaarsuvius:

Sabeki

2013-10-12, 11:08 PM

HmmmmmMMMMMMMmmmmmMMMMMMMMmmmmmMMMMMMM

Akowrules

2013-10-12, 11:33 PM

Grr...I hate weddings. Various family members keep trying to "Introduce" young women whom are friends of the bride or groom to me. :smallfrown:

I'm sorry to hear that. :smallfrown:

Humility, o course. It's hard to find a humble person today.

I see, well thank you for your admiration. :smallbiggrin:

Coidzor

2013-10-12, 11:36 PM

Sabeki: Sure, why not?

Problem is, I can't tell them why I'm not interested, and I can't answer "when will you get married" without the two things resulting in loud screaming fights and disowning.

:smallfrown: *evil hugs*

I still need to find a more sensible, but not necessarily name-y, name for me overall. Excessive replaying of the MARDEK games suggests Legion (for we are many!)

Without going into too much detail about the biblical implications, thoughts?

Legion? As a name for a person in real life? :smalleek: Ehhhhh...

I spend a loooot of time over there.

Oh, pffft, improper conjugations aside, it's too good to not be a word.

Sounds almost interesting enough to check out without any idea what the heck it is, even. XD

I suppose it's just a testament to human nature that it's the improper conjugations which are the most fun. :smallamused:

Miriel

2013-10-12, 11:37 PM

Today was apparently "buying frenzy day": I bought some tweezers and new hair ties.

I will eat bread and pasta for the next three weeks, apparently.

Nice! Are you going to take addition photos [in new environments]?
I have few new environments. But I could ask the LGBT group people to take them :smallredface:

(OK, I just committed to 1) go there again this week 2) in girl clothes and 3) to have my picture taken.)

That's awesome! And, from what I've seen, clashing is in. At least, in some ways. Anyway, I'm sure they look fabulous!!! :smallbiggrin:
The shoes are very nice. They are Converse look-alikes, with many many colours weeeeeeee! (I feel much more colourful since my gender epiphany :smallsmile: In general, I feel much better with the idea of having a physical body.) But the skirt is more formal, or something. It's plain red and greatly hampers my mobility. I think it's this kind of skirt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_skirt

Anyway, it just isn't the same style, I think...

But the shoes work fine with my girly pants.

Another problem I foresee is: hair on forearm. Brrrrrr...

I feel that Caroline and Catherine are different enough for there to not be any confusion. As another Australian I do balk a little at Adélaïde.
It's more that if I didn't have a cousin named Catherine, I would have taken that name.

But I'm more and more committed to Caroline :smallsmile:

Aw. But Australia is awesome!
But I live far away and will spend my "let's go somewhere on a plane!" hypothetical budget on Italy and the surroundings for the foreseeable future :smallfrown:

TaiLiu

2013-10-12, 11:56 PM

I have few new environments. But I could ask the LGBT group people to take them :smallredface:

(OK, I just committed to 1) go there again this week 2) in girl clothes and 3) to have my picture taken.)
Nice. Try to get the environment into the photos...!

cavalieredraghi

2013-10-13, 12:20 AM

gods I am really starting to lose hope that I will ever find a partner. :smallfrown:

golentan

2013-10-13, 12:29 AM

gods I am really starting to lose hope that I will ever find a partner. :smallfrown:

Fear not. You'll find someone, just be open to the possibilities and be patient. I know it sucks when you're alone, but you'll find someone in time.

Akowrules

2013-10-13, 12:44 AM

The shoes are very nice. They are Converse look-alikes, with many many colours weeeeeeee! (I feel much more colourful since my gender epiphany :smallsmile: In general, I feel much better with the idea of having a physical body.) But the skirt is more formal, or something. It's plain red and greatly hampers my mobility. I think it's this kind of skirt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_skirt

Anyway, it just isn't the same style, I think...

But the shoes work fine with my girly pants.

I LOVE pencil skirts!! They're wonderful!! I'm glad you're happy with your purchases, and I'm sure you'll look fabulous in them :smallbiggrin:

Coidzor

2013-10-13, 01:22 AM

Pencil skirts can be quite nifty, yes.

cavalieredraghi: I don't know your particular situation, but eventually you'll either find someone or you'll be able to change your situation so that you can find someone. :/

Another problem I foresee is: hair on forearm. Brrrrrr...

But I'm more and more committed to Caroline :smallsmile:

You, my mother, and every girl I've known who has any Italian in her family tree. My only problem with it is that I can never get it to do what I want. And it's too thin to comb. x.x

Mighty fine. :smallbiggrin:

turkishproverb

2013-10-13, 03:05 AM

Chess435

2013-10-13, 03:10 AM

Happy birthday to Karen today! :smallbiggrin:

Jormengand

2013-10-13, 03:41 AM

Legion? As a name for a person in real life? :smalleek: Ehhhhh...

More a nickname - let's face it, 404's not really a name either.

Happy birthday to Karen today! :smallbiggrin:

*Starts singing happy birthday.*

Great games, but make sure to have a week or so set aside if you want to get everything in chapter 3. (Your save automatically carries over between chapters.) (Ch. 1 takes 30 minutes to an hour, Ch. 2 takes 7-8ish hours, Ch. 3 takes 30-50 depending on how thorough you are.)
I managed to do the first two games including all the side quests in 5 hours between them, so... they don't take quite that long.

Partysan

2013-10-13, 04:29 AM

I managed to do the first two games including all the side quests in 5 hours between them, so... they don't take quite that long.

Oh god, I remember my gaming OCD kicking in so hard I had to have every character master every skill in the game in part 2 before I went into the final battle. I don't want to know how long this would take in part 3. Still haven't beaten it. (Mardek is pretty powerful now, though.)

Happy birthday Karen!

Jormengand

2013-10-13, 04:33 AM

Oh god, I remember my gaming OCD kicking in so hard I had to have every character master every skill in the game in part 2 before I went into the final battle. I don't want to know how long this would take in part 3. Still haven't beaten it. (Mardek is pretty powerful now, though.)

The good news being that you might actually be able to beat Karnos and Animus (Crazy-OP superboss things which are entirely optional and extremely annoying) if you're that powerful...

Mina Kobold

2013-10-13, 06:31 AM

I still need to find a more sensible, but not necessarily name-y, name for me overall. Excessive replaying of the MARDEK games suggests Legion (for we are many!)

Without going into too much detail about the biblical implications, thoughts?

Legion sounds like a nice name to me, nice to say and symbolic. ^_^

I have no clue what the biblical implications would be, though, as I only know it as a latin word (from legere, to gather) describing a group of soldiers or just a large group. Then again, I learnt it from Astérix, so I may have missed something between 55 BCE and now. :3

I have a lot of friends say that. Thing is, I can't explain to my family WHY I'm annoyed if not angry about these "introductions"

Would just saying that you feel very uncomfortable with being pushed to do things or having your love life orchestrated by your family not work? It seems very plausible to be very uncomfortable with that to me, but I don't actually have family members who give a hoot about my lack of interest in dating, so... ^_^'

gods I am really starting to lose hope that I will ever find a partner. :smallfrown:

Don't, there are 7 billion people in the world and we meet new ones all the time. Those new ones can even lead to meeting even more new ones or to new venues with a thousand new opportunities. Even just getting older or more experienced with a venue could mean new opportunities to meet people. The likelihood that you will never find anyone to partner up with among so many is quite minute. :smallsmile:

Granted, a lot of people are meanie meanfaces who are mean, so it can be really exhausting to look for long, but it's still very much likely that you do find someone if you keep up hope. ^_^

Happy birthday to Karen today! :smallbiggrin:

Yay, happy hatching day to our local Eevee! ^w^

Skeppio

2013-10-13, 06:37 AM

Happy birthday to Karen today! :smallbiggrin:

Yay! Happy birthday Karen! :smallbiggrin:

Miriel

2013-10-13, 08:27 AM

Happy birthday Karen, even if I know you very little.

I LOVE pencil skirts!! They're wonderful!! I'm glad you're happy with your purchases, and I'm sure you'll look fabulous in them :smallbiggrin:

Pencil skirts can be quite nifty, yes.
I don't know about looking fabulous, but it is very nifty and I love it very much!

You, my mother, and every girl I've known who has any Italian in her family tree. My only problem with it is that I can never get it to do what I want. And it's too thin to comb. x.x

Mighty fine. :smallbiggrin:
Yes but it's enormous and ugly and and and I don't want any! :smallfrown: And I can't really shave it or whatever because virtually all my masculine clothes have short sleeves.

I have no clue what the biblical implications would be, though, as I only know it as a latin word (from legere, to gather) describing a group of soldiers or just a large group. Then again, I learnt it from Astérix, so I may have missed something between 55 BCE and now. :3
As far as I can gather, "legio" and its descendants have only been used for the Roman military unit, for other types of military units with references to Rome, for large groupes of Biblical figures (angels or demons) -- this is most likely an acception for which we must thank St. Jerome--, or to refer figuratively to large groupes of people.

noparlpf

2013-10-13, 09:20 AM

This is why you don't mess with Sophia. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/tiershift-56105960) :smalltongue:

(Since I have a Shaymin avvie, and Karen has a Eevee, we picked a pokemon for each other harem member, and I made a competitive team. We're 6 wins, 4 losses, and a draw so far :smallbiggrin:.)

Nice match.
(I used to play on there. I was pretty decent, but then they had the server update and rankings got reset and I kind of lost interest for a while. One of my friends is in the top 100 in doubles, and he's gotten really good at randoms lately.)

Yes but it's enormous and ugly and and and I don't want any! :smallfrown: And I can't really shave it or whatever because virtually all my masculine clothes have short sleeves.

Yeah, I can see what you mean. Women with Mediterranean heritage tend to have dark forearm hair (I recently asked one Italian friend why our society insists she shave her legs but arm hair doesn't matter), but it's still not all that much hair. Compared to my arms, which are fairly hairy, it's barely anything.

Chess435

2013-10-13, 12:13 PM

The good news being that you might actually be able to beat Karnos and Animus (Crazy-OP superboss things which are entirely optional and extremely annoying) if you're that powerful...

I cheesed my way through Animus by pumping Elwyen's SPR all the way to 99 by various buffs, and then just had her continuously play Runic Rhapsody. Since all of Animus' damage is magic-based, it's damage dropped to single-digits, allowing me to take it apart at my leisure.

Astrella

2013-10-13, 12:42 PM

Happy birthday, Karen. :smallsmile:

Sabeki

2013-10-13, 12:43 PM

Happy birthday to Karen :smallbiggrin::smallcool::smallsmile:

Jormengand

2013-10-13, 12:48 PM

I cheesed my way through Animus by pumping Elwyen's SPR all the way to 99 by various buffs, and then just had her continuously play Runic Rhapsody. Since all of Animus' damage is magic-based, it's damage dropped to single-digits, allowing me to take it apart at my leisure.

That...

Is quite clever. Damn. Now I'm gonna need to level Elwyen up (she's still level 9!)

Chess435

2013-10-13, 12:51 PM

That...

Is quite clever. Damn. Now I'm gonna need to level Elwyen up (she's still level 9!)

Mmhmm. It also helps to get at least one party member to be immune to/absorb Aether so they can sit there and revive party members as needed while you're Elwyen's SPR up.

Sabeki

2013-10-13, 12:53 PM

I see only gibberish :smalleek:
What game/thing/arcane ritual are you guys talking about?

Chess435

2013-10-13, 12:59 PM

I see only gibberish :smalleek:
What game/thing/arcane ritual are you guys talking about?

Chapter 1 (http://www.kongregate.com/games/Pseudolonewolf/mardek-rpg-chapter-1?acomplete=mardek)

Chapter 2 (http://www.kongregate.com/games/Pseudolonewolf/mardek-rpg-chapter-2?acomplete=mardek)

Chapter 3 (http://www.kongregate.com/games/Pseudolonewolf/mardek-rpg-chapter-3?acomplete=mardek)

Great games, but make sure to have a week or so set aside if you want to get everything in chapter 3. (Your save automatically carries over between chapters.) (Ch. 1 takes 30 minutes to an hour, Ch. 2 takes 7-8ish hours, Ch. 3 takes 30-50 depending on how thorough you are.)

It's a rather fun RPG series.

Coidzor

2013-10-13, 01:02 PM

Happy birthday, Karen. :smallsmile:

Hear hear!

Birthy Happday, even. :smallbiggrin:

I don't know about looking fabulous, but it is very nifty and I love it very much!

Yes but it's enormous and ugly and and and I don't want any! :smallfrown: And I can't really shave it or whatever because virtually all my masculine clothes have short sleeves.

Nifty is as nifty does. :smallbiggrin: And a beloved article of clothing is always a useful tool, especially if it looks good instead of being a ratty hoody from the age before mankind or something. XD

Well, if you like swimming, you can always get more into it and use that as a convenient explanation for keeping your body hairless, maybe? :smallconfused:

And, hey, it's good exercise too, and I hear it has a nice effect on shaping one's thighs and posterior. :smallwink:

I didn't think people paid that much attention to arm hair when they were reading someone as a guy. :smalleek: At least, not past the age of 12-14 when just having secondary-sex characteristics was enough to impress the guys. At least, the one time I experimented with it, my friends who noticed claimed to have only noticed anything because I'd only shaved one arm and had left the other one bare as part of the experiment.

The Succubus

2013-10-13, 01:02 PM

Happy birthday Karen. ^_^

Jormengand

2013-10-13, 01:03 PM

Mmhmm. It also helps to get at least one party member to be immune to/absorb Aether so they can sit there and revive party members as needed while you're Elwyen's SPR up.

Solaar has a buff which increases SPR, but who else?

turkishproverb

2013-10-13, 01:11 PM

Happy Birthday Karen.

Chess435

2013-10-13, 01:44 PM

Solaar has a buff which increases SPR, but who else?

Solaar is the only one with an SPR buff, so your party has to be Mardek/Solaar/Elwyen/?????. I personally suggest Legion because Fig-element Gemsplosions for massive damage.

Karen Lynn

2013-10-13, 02:55 PM

*Starts singing happy birthday.*

Happy birthday Karen!

Yay, happy hatching day to our local Eevee! ^w^

Yay! Happy birthday Karen! :smallbiggrin:

Happy birthday Karen, even if I know you very little.

Happy birthday, Karen. :smallsmile:

Happy birthday to Karen :smallbiggrin::smallcool::smallsmile:

Birthy Happday, even. :smallbiggrin:

Happy birthday Karen. ^_^

Happy Birthday Karen.

Thank you and all anyone I missed!

Holy carp I missed the new thread. Why did nobody tell me? o:

Hugs for those who want and/or need them, cookies, pretzels, cornbread, and tacos for everyone.

Durmatagno

2013-10-13, 02:56 PM

Thank you and all anyone I missed!

Holy carp I missed the new thread. Why did nobody tell me? o:

Hugs for those who want and/or need them, cookies, pretzels, cornbread, and tacos for everyone.

Sorry, forgot to say it buuuuuut

Happy Birthday!

TaiLiu

2013-10-13, 03:09 PM

Don't flail on yourself like that.
It's less flailing and more of a "I barely know what beat poetry is."

Happy birthday to Karen today! :smallbiggrin:
Ah! Happy birthday, comrade Karen!

Chess435

2013-10-13, 03:40 PM

Cute Mew avvie, Tai! :smallbiggrin:

TaiLiu

2013-10-13, 03:47 PM

Cute Mew avvie, Tai! :smallbiggrin:
Ah? Thank you, comrade Cody, though I doubt you'll be saying the same thing up close. :smalltongue:

Morcleon

2013-10-13, 03:48 PM

Happy birthday, Karen~! ^_^

Ah? Thank you, comrade Cody, though I doubt you'll be saying the same thing up close. :smalltongue:

Is still cute mew avvie. You is probably cute too. :3

~Setsuna~

TaiLiu

2013-10-13, 03:51 PM

Is still cute mew avvie. You is probably cute too. :3
That is objectively untrue.

Now, let's start focusing on Karen and less on the avatar change - it's her birthday! Yay Karen!