Androids in PF, What do you think?

[TabletopGamer]

Android (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/android)
This is the android like to the d20PFSRD website.

Me I would refluff them as Homunculi that have gained sentience and are humaniod in appearance.

What do you guys think, what would you do to make them fit a more mid-evil them in your own campaign

[Yora]

Heh, that was the same thought I had. I don't really see a place for lifelike humanoid constructs, even warforged which are still very bulky, only really work specifically in Eberron, as I see it.
But as alchemical creations, androids could probably be made to fit into quite a big range of settings.

[TabletopGamer]

Would you change anything on that racial list?
Remeber its constructed by the ARG point system.

[ArcturusV]

I'm thinking Demonhost myself. The "Tattoos" aren't electronics, but instead mystical sigils which bind some otherworldly creature inside a humanoid. Thus the "Surge" is drawing forth power from the bound creature (And why the tats glow as they struggle to contain and control). Dead body (Thus an object to explain construct trait) brought to life by the implanting of some demonic/celestial/etc entity used to fuel the body back to life. The creature's personality doesn't leak through as it's more used as a battery source than a living entity.

[Yora]

I think the constructed trait doesn't really seem problematic for an alchemical creation. It looks human, but still isn't one. In some ways they are much more ressilient than humanoids, but they are also vulnerable to attacks that affect only constructs.

[TabletopGamer]

The devs said to interpret the Emotionless much more like Data from Star Trek then as void of all personality.

But yeah I like that. A Homunculi body that was used as a prison. But why have it adventurer?

[Keneth]

I'm fine with there being robots and aliens on Golarion, but androids kinda rub me the wrong way. None of my campaigns ever came close to Numeria though, so no robots or androids in sight.

[TabletopGamer]

Well I kinda like the idea of playing a part construct and so forth.
So I think a refluff would be good.
Maybe change the Standard Ability Score for a Flexible score of 2 +2s making the total 18 not 16.

[Alberic Strein]

Androids in PF, What do you think?

Scarily enough, the first thing that came to my mind was "Warforged Skinchanger"
Talk about squick...

Besides that, I think it's good for the rules to exist, they can be refluffed to fill in for a more... Fantasy-like race that would behave pretty much in the same way as Androids as described in the link. Refluff the whole "nanite" thing with "primal/profane/necrotic/divine energy" and you pretty much have a half extraplanar/humanoid hybrid.
Like a fiend corrupting a fetus, or a mage infusing the power of a plane into a construct of flesh, or (borderline) the pregnant mother's voyage in the planes having unforseen consequences on the child...

You just need to adapt the "emotionless" bit, you don't even need to change the malus

Law > Emotionless
(Picture Data)
Chaos > Cannot understand the concept of honor, the value of promises and oaths
"I just don't understand how you can know in advance that the Knight will protect the innocent..."
Good > Good cannot comprehend evil
"But why would someone hurt me ?"
Evil > Evil cannot comprehend good
"Mercy ? What is that ?"


Not sure I would use/allow the whole "android" thing in my games, but I can see use for the rules.

[TabletopGamer]

Well I was looking at the rules for it and thinking Homunculi

A story about an artificial creature being given sentience even if they are naive and not comprehending emotions of humans or understanding what emotions meant and could do.

There are a few stories based on an artificial being yearning to be made 'real'

[Ailowynn]

It's a stupid idea. Constructs? Sure. Early firearms? Fine. Advanced firearms? No. This is a medieval game. An advanced knowledge of the planet and its solar systems? REALLY??? Time travel to WWI? IT'S SET IN A DIFFERENT WORLD AND A DIFFERENT TIME! EARTH SHOULDN'T EXIST!

And...androids?

...well, Bill Cavalier's attitude on gnomes looks like a mild irritation compared to what is happening in my head right now.

5 imaginary bonus points if you know who Bill Cavalier is (as I'm sure many of you do).

[TabletopGamer]

Yeah its kinda weird, but I don't mind them giving you the option for advancing timelines and maybe a Steampunk environment but most set up in Mid-evil fantasy

[JusticeZero]

I didn't really care for the design. Needs to be sent back to playtest for another couple rounds. DSP's new one looks better.

[Raven777]

BTW, officially, this is what Androids look like. They are nearly indistinguishable from regular humans except for the eyes and the circuit board glowy tattoos.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/056/2/1/android_by_devburmak-d5w66m9.jpg

[Spuddles]

I liked the warforged and everything about them a lot more than "androids".

Just the name rubs me the wrong way.

[Ravens_cry]

BTW, officially, this is what Androids look like. They are nearly indistinguishable from regular humans except for the eyes and the circuit board glowy tattoos.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/056/2/1/android_by_devburmak-d5w66m9.jpg
Geeze, all that effort to make something that looks like an organic and they forget the bleeding eyes.:smallbiggrin:

[Raven777]

It's Greek for "shaped like a human". It's hard to be more arcane than ancient Greek :smalltongue:

[TabletopGamer]

The look is cool but you could so easily refluff those circuits as sigils.

How would you change them specifically, I know people hate the name, but ignore the name for the moment. How would you mend this odd little intruder into Middle Age-esque RPdom

Origin of ANDROID
Late Greek androeidēs manlike, from Greek andr- + -oeidēs -oid
First Known Use: circa 1751

[Raven777]

Well, easiest answer is that Golarion is not middle-age-esque. It is Pulp Fantasy. It has barbarians and wizards and Elves and demons and Old Gods and robots. It has jungle planets (http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Castrovel) and desert planets (http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Akiton) that are blatant John Carter and Avatar rip-offs, respectively. It has planar travel to earth (http://paizo.com/products/btpy8yv5?Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-71-Rasputin-Must-Die) to fight an undying Rasputin, who happens to be the son of an eons old witch queen, in the turmoil of WWI. It has Lawful Good Nazi Gold Dragons (http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Mengkare) and heroic Hellknights (http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Hellknight#Philosophy). And it is awesome.

But yeah. Homonculi are a good suggestion to refluff Androids. Magical constructs who gained sentience and free will at some point. Which is pretty much what they already are anyway, really.

[TabletopGamer]

I just think the name Homunulus would have saved them a lot of flack and grief about the race being called that.

But then again a Android Monk with elemental fist can do an erupting burning finger and thats ok by me.

[The Oni]

This hand of mine glows with an awesome threat range! Its loud roar tells me to score a critical!

[JusticeZero]

Make them more Galatea than Data. Also, I don't like how they were built, mechanically. The design needs a second pass, and probably a third.

[BWR]

It's a stupid idea. Constructs? Sure. Early firearms? Fine. Advanced firearms? No. This is a medieval game. An advanced knowledge of the planet and its solar systems? REALLY??? Time travel to WWI? IT'S SET IN A DIFFERENT WORLD AND A DIFFERENT TIME! EARTH SHOULDN'T EXIST!

And...androids?

...well, Bill Cavalier's attitude on gnomes looks like a mild irritation compared to what is happening in my head right now.

5 imaginary bonus points if you know who Bill Cavalier is (as I'm sure many of you do).

I'm all for it. Of course, I'm a big fan of Mystara which had this exact sort of thing in it. Heck, you had one adventure on the Flying Dutchman back in the day (crappy adventure but fun idea).
Why shouldn't Earth exist? It's a fantasy game. Innumerable other impossibilities are fine but this one is stupid?
I really cannot understand that argument.

I could accept that it's a bad thing for some settings. For instance, I would not think it appropriate with high-tech remnants and androids and parallel earths and whatnot in the official Dragonlance setting, or Forgotten Realms or Rokugan. However, Golarion is designed this way from the ground up. Going all brain-meltdown about how stupid it is, is no different from complaining about how stupid an entire world with magic is.

[Squirrel_Dude]

Looks like I finally I have a race to make some Foot ninja with.

If I were to run Androids as actual Androids, it would be a Golarion-based game and I would probably keep them as rarer beings and up in the Northern area that has all the alien technology (from space!).

[Keneth]

An advanced knowledge of the planet and its solar systems? REALLY???

High-level magic has the ability to observe and move to other planets. Plus, ancient civilizations had advanced knowledge of our solar system long before the middle-ages, and they didn't even have magic. In fact, it was actually better then, before the civilizations fell and knowledge was lost.


It's Greek for "shaped like a human". It's hard to be more arcane than ancient Greek :smalltongue:

Technically it's greek for "shaped like a man", a female counterpart would be a gynoid.

[Psyren]

I didn't really care for the design. Needs to be sent back to playtest for another couple rounds. DSP's new one looks better.

I love (LOVE LOVE) Forgeborn, but a less "robotic" race fits Golarion better. Androids are like Elans - you notice something is off about them, but you can't really put your finger on it. That lets players be one without freaking out every commoner from here to the Worldwound. You're able to write off the funky tattoos and glowing eyes as just something those kooky "adventurers" do to get ahead.

Forgeborn are much more overtly cyborg:

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/038/e/8/forgeborn_by_shawcj-d5u4d3r.jpg

This makes them much more likely to cause a regional freakout just by showing up. So, better they are 3PP and you can justify their presence and the reaction to them at your table in your way.

[Kudaku]

The thing you need to keep in mind about PF (more specifically, Golarion) is that it is a huge world and game-wise it's kind of... Segregated. The campaign setting is specifically written and designed so that:

A. players who wants to play a pulp sci fi action game where they fight with laser weapons visit distant strange worlds and even travel through time.
B. players who want to play an vampire-hunter suspenseful horror game.
C. Players who want to play a diplomatic game of suspicion, political intrigue and Machiavellian machinations taking place during the french revolution.
D. Players who want to play Slave gladiators who live and breathe only to acclaim yet more glory.

Can all do so in the same setting, just in different countries (Numeria, Ustalav, Galt and Taldor/Cheliax in my examples).

The upside here is, unsurprisingly, the presence, availability and flexibility of setting fluff and rule sets that let the different groups play the game they want to.

The trick here is to cherry-pick. Just because advanced guns show up in UC doesn't mean they're widely available (or even available) in Golarion. Similarly, androids would have a vanishingly rare chance of being encountered outside of Numeria. If you don't think Androids will fit the flavor of game you're running, just ask your players not to play them.

[Segev]

Out of curiosity, what do they use to explain the isolation of the advanced tech?

Pre-industrial tech, okay, I can see it. Travel is hard. But drop the modern USA into 1 B.C., and it wouldn't take long for there to be some presence from the US and our technology felt in Rome and China.

[Psyren]

Out of curiosity, what do they use to explain the isolation of the advanced tech?

Pre-industrial tech, okay, I can see it. Travel is hard. But drop the modern USA into 1 B.C., and it wouldn't take long for there to be some presence from the US and our technology felt in Rome and China.

Numeria is very isolated by treacherous mountain ranges, so most people don't even know what's back there at all, let alone have seen the UFO itself. The ship's automated defenses (particularly high-CR robots (http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderCampaignSetting/PZO9226-Numeria.jpg)) prowl the area and frequently pick off unwanted guests.

The only faction who has free access to the area is the Technic League (http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Technic_League), and naturally they keep very tight control over the crashed ship's goodies. But even they barely understand what little they've managed to extricate.

[Squirrel_Dude]

Out of curiosity, what do they use to explain the isolation of the advanced tech?

Pre-industrial tech, okay, I can see it. Travel is hard. But drop the modern USA into 1 B.C., and it wouldn't take long for there to be some presence from the US and our technology felt in Rome and China.If I remember correctly:
Alien Tech:
- The technology hasn't really been used to improve travel times
- The technology is protected/hoarded by those that do control (that may or may not be crazy people)
- Most of the rest of the region is made up by Conan the Barbarians.

As for guns
- The area they were created is located in a dead magic zone, between two heavily magic-focused societies that don't care about guns/weapons/etc

In both cases, it is stated that technology is starting to spread across the region slowly, but the usefulness of magic somewhat dampens the spread. Also, most of Golarion is in a situation where investment in technology isn't extremely useful when you need some cheap weapons to fight of all the evil hordes of things, or money to pay the bribes of city officials.

[JusticeZero]

I love (LOVE LOVE) Forgeborn, but a less "robotic" race fits Golarion better. Androids are like Elans - you notice something is off about them, but you can't really put your finger on it.
Honestly, it's not the visual, it's the fluff+actual crunch. You could swap the pictures between the two so that the glowy runed human looking wan was Forgeborn and the Android was the chunky borg, i'd still prefer the Forgeborn.

[Hunter Noventa]

Funny, I'm playing a home-brewed 'Sentient Construct' race in an ongoing campaign right now. Said race has the option of appearing more like a traditional warforged, or trading their free armor (and the ability to take a number of traits and feats) for looking like a human, which I took.

Granted my version is a bit different than this and probably closer to an Assimar or Tiefling as far as power level, but I still find this terribly amusing, mostly because I had no idea there was a literal crashed UFO in Golarion.

[Keneth]

I had no idea there was a literal crashed UFO in Golarion.

How did you manage to miss giant robot scorpions from outer space?

[Raven777]

How did you manage to miss giant robot scorpions from outer space?

I hear they prefer being called Numerian Mecha-Scorpions.

http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderCampaignSetting/PZO9226-Numeria.jpg

[ArcturusV]

You know... that one picture is the only thing about the bog standard PF setting I've ever read, seen, heard, etc, that actually makes me go "... I wanna play that". :smallbiggrin:

[Psyren]

You can drop it into any setting really - here are its stats (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/robot/robot-annhiliator)

[Ravens_cry]

Golarion is an introductory setting, which means it is well served to have as many setting elements as possible. You want guns? There is guns. You want Arabian nights adventures? There's that too. You want the far east? We got it. Jungles, Vikings, Revolutionary France, Renaissance Italy? It's all there. It even has Barsoom and Space Elves of Venus.
If you want androids, you got androids.
You don't have to have androids, but you can.

[Red Fel]

You know... that one picture is the only thing about the bog standard PF setting I've ever read, seen, heard, etc, that actually makes me go "... I wanna play that". :smallbiggrin:

Agreed. I'll be honest, a part of me has listened to all the PF discussion with mild interest, ("Oh, it does what 3.5 does, only better? Tell me more!") while another part has listened with lazy apathy. ("But I already learned 3.5! Why do I need PF?")

But between these badarse bots and the upcoming ToB stuff? I admit, you have my attention.

[Raven777]

My only regret about Golarion is the total lack of Nex & Geb Rule 34.

[Psyren]

My only regret about Golarion is the total lack of Nex & Geb Rule 34.

Two magic nations founded entirely due to copious amounts of Foe Yay? Sign me up! :smalltongue:

[Keneth]

I was never much a fan of necrophilia...

[TabletopGamer]

What are you talking about?

[Psyren]

What are you talking about?

Nex and Geb were two immortal archmagi (an evoker and necromancer I believe) in Golarion's history who ruled neighboring nations bearing their names. For unknown reasons the two ended up in a centuries-long duel/war that reshaped the landscape of their two countries, and resulted in the strip of dead-magic neutral ground called the Mana Wastes that lies between them to this day.

Anyway, after Geb polluted Nex's wilderness, Nex nuked Geb's capital cities and killed a large number of Geb's people. Geb responded by raising them all in undeath, and then unleashed clouds of poisonous smoke all over Nex's capital city.

In the midst of the chaos from the poisonous gas, Nex - the mage that is, not the country - vanished. Geb soon realized he had nothing else to live for but his rival, and he wasn't even sure whether Nex was dead or not. In madness and despair, he ritualistically killed himself, but came back as a ghost until the day comes when he can be sure he finished the job. He's still around today, but his spirit can't leave Geb and rarely manifests anymore anyway, and there's still no sign of Nex (the mage, not the country.)

In present day Golarion, Geb (the country) is still ruled by undead, and the dead have the same rights as the living there. Somewhat ironically, the two countries get along just fine now without the two wizards to continue the war; they even trade with one another regularly, though the dangerous mana wastes still lie between them.

[TabletopGamer]

Was more talking about the comment of Necrophilia.

[ArcturusV]

Rule 34, basically being that if it exists, there's porn of it. Thus "Necrophilia" as it's about an Undead Necromancer and a Ghost Evoker banging?

[Keneth]

Somewhat ironically, the two countries get along just fine now without the two wizards to continue the war;

That "just fine" is relative. Cheliax gets along just fine with Andoran, but they would occupy the country in a heartbeat if they saw a chance to do so. :smallbiggrin:

[Psyren]

Was more talking about the comment of Necrophilia.

It's Foe Yay with one of the parties being undead. I think that's where the comment came from anyway.


That "just fine" is relative. Cheliax gets along just fine with Andoran, but they would occupy the country in a heartbeat if they saw a chance to do so. :smallbiggrin:

Good point :smalltongue:

[Raven777]

And Alkenstar sits in the middle of the no man's land, smack dab in a waste of dead magic and mutant beasts, eking out a trade with these new fangled firearms things that seem to get everyone in a huff.

[ShadowFighter15]

I just think the name Homunulus would have saved them a lot of flack and grief about the race being called that.

But then again a Android Monk with elemental fist can do an erupting burning finger and thats ok by me.

It could also be because homunculi were already in the game: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/homunculus
I do agree about the Burning Finger, though; the question is if an android can even be Hot Blooded enough to do it justice.:smalltongue:

Incidentally; the AP for the second half of next year, Iron Gods, is set in Numeria.

[Psyren]

And Alkenstar sits in the middle of the no man's land, smack dab in a waste of dead magic and mutant beasts, eking out a trade with these new fangled firearms things that seem to get everyone in a huff.

I'd love to set a survival horror one-shot in Alkenstar, where the PCs have to get through the wastes alive and retrieve a macguffin of some kind without the use of magic. Success would mean extraction/escape to Nex or Geb, where the real campaign would begin.

[Squirrel_Dude]

I'd love to set a survival horror one-shot in Alkenstar, where the PCs have to get through the wastes alive and retrieve a macguffin of some kind without the use of magic. Success would mean extraction/escape to Nex or Geb, where the real campaign would begin.No magic? How boring. Wildly fluctuating spell-failure chance for me.


That "just fine" is relative. Cheliax gets along just fine with Andoran, but they would occupy the country in a heartbeat if they saw a chance to do so. :smallbiggrin:Cheliax would do a lot of horrible things if they had a chance to. :smalltongue:

[Psyren]

No magic? How boring.

Normally I agree, but it wouldn't be for the whole campaign, just a session or two. And I'd probably give them a lot of the more obscure alchemical items to compensate, like liquid ice or shadowcloy.

[Keneth]

Cheliax would do a lot of horrible things if they had a chance to. :smalltongue:

Don't hate the playaz.

[Raven777]

Also, from a certain point of view, Cheliax is much more about Order than it is about Evil... It's a lot like the Star Wars Empire, except the jackasses pulling the strings in the background and ruining it for everybody are Devils instead of Sith Lords.

[Squirrel_Dude]

Also, from a certain point of view, Cheliax is much more about Order than it is about Evil... It's a lot like the Star Wars Empire, except the jackasses pulling the strings in the background and ruining it for everybody are Devils instead of Sith Lords.Cheliax's relationship with Devils is not in the background. Their primary police force is called the Hell Knights. If the Empire was like Cheliax, all of their soldiers would be called Dark Side Troopers, and the entire country would be force to publicly worship the Sith.

[Coidzor]

Golarion is an introductory setting, which means it is well served to have as many setting elements as possible. You want guns? There is guns. You want Arabian nights adventures? There's that too. You want the far east? We got it. Jungles, Vikings, Revolutionary France, Renaissance Italy? It's all there. It even has Barsoom and Space Elves of Venus.
If you want androids, you got androids.
You don't have to have androids, but you can.

They can even be fully functional and anatomically correct. /Voltaire


That "just fine" is relative. Cheliax gets along just fine with Andoran, but they would occupy the country in a heartbeat if they saw a chance to do so. :smallbiggrin:

*ahem* Cheliax would gladly repatriate the wayward province of Andoran, lost lo these many years in a confusing fog of poor political theories brought about by conspirators and basest traitors, the enemies of all right-thinking peoples, the people must be protected by and submit to the rule of Law, lest all turn to chaos like the mess that became of Galt.


Nex and Geb were two immortal archmagi (an evoker and necromancer I believe) in Golarion's history who ruled neighboring nations bearing their names. For unknown reasons the two ended up in a centuries-long duel/war that reshaped the landscape of their two countries, and resulted in the strip of dead-magic neutral ground called the Mana Wastes that lies between them to this day.

Anyway, after Geb polluted Nex's wilderness, Nex nuked Geb's capital cities and killed a large number of Geb's people. Geb responded by raising them all in undeath, and then unleashed clouds of poisonous smoke all over Nex's capital city.

In the midst of the chaos from the poisonous gas, Nex - the mage that is, not the country - vanished. Geb soon realized he had nothing else to live for but his rival, and he wasn't even sure whether Nex was dead or not. In madness and despair, he ritualistically killed himself, but came back as a ghost until the day comes when he can be sure he finished the job. He's still around today, but his spirit can't leave Geb and rarely manifests anymore anyway, and there's still no sign of Nex (the mage, not the country.)

In present day Golarion, Geb (the country) is still ruled by undead, and the dead have the same rights as the living there. Somewhat ironically, the two countries get along just fine now without the two wizards to continue the war; they even trade with one another regularly, though the dangerous mana wastes still lie between them.

Nex and Geb being excellent examples of the general principle that the devs hate us, since they could have easily come up with names derived from Nex and Geb for the countries but chose not to and, worse, didn't even try to make a joke out of the painful state of affairs.

[Ravens_cry]

They can even be fully functional and anatomically correct. /Voltaire
And programmed in multiple techniques.:smallamused:

[Keneth]

It's a lot like the Star Wars Empire, except the jackasses pulling the strings in the background and ruining it for everybody are Devils instead of Sith Lords.

Don't be ridiculous, the devils only have our best interests at heart.

Seriously though, there are many upsides to the current state of affairs, and the funny part is that the devil advisors to the throne are actually reining in Abrogail's evil urges. She's an impulsive child, and my character would like not nothing more than to give her a spanking (for various reasons).


Cheliax's relationship with Devils is not in the background. Their primary police force is called the Hell Knights.

While Hellknights do hail from Cheliax, they do not serve the country directly, and they have very little to do with devils other than basing their ideals on Hell's strict adherence to law.

Also, even though everyone is aware that devils are behind the scenes in Cheliax these days, you won't exactly see pit fiends parading around the streets with their pet nessian hell hounds.

[Psyren]

Cheliax's relationship with Devils is not in the background. Their primary police force is called the Hell Knights. If the Empire was like Cheliax, all of their soldiers would be called Dark Side Troopers, and the entire country would be force to publicly worship the Sith.

Actually, Hellknights are Any Lawful (tending most strongly towards LN). There are in fact Paladin Hellknights, though depending on the Order they join they may not be paladins for long.

Their name comes from the fact that Hell is seen as having the most disciplined armies in the multiverse. Other pure-Law entities, like Inevitables and Archons, typically work alone or in small groups and are thus less worthy of emulation. It's respect for the devils, but not necessarily devotion.



Nex and Geb being excellent examples of the general principle that the devs hate us, since they could have easily come up with names derived from Nex and Geb for the countries but chose not to and, worse, didn't even try to make a joke out of the painful state of affairs.

Now where's the fun in that? :smalltongue:

(Maybe Nexx and Gebb?)

[Squirrel_Dude]

Actually, Hellknights are Any Lawful (tending most strongly towards LN). There are in fact Paladin Hellknights, though depending on the Order they join they may not be paladins for long.It's hard to remain good with the strict adherance to law and order they have, and what I imagine to be a pretty bloody strict Cheliax penal code.

[Psyren]

It's hard to remain good with the strict adherance to law and order they have, and what I imagine to be a pretty bloody strict Cheliax penal code.

Indeed it is, but it is possible to be neutral at least, and that is what most Hellknights are. I would wager the handful of Paladins in the order are there to (a) try to improve Cheliax from within, (b) learn devil tactics from the inside, and (c) counter those Hellknights that slip to LE.

[Squirrel_Dude]

Indeed it is, but it is possible to be neutral at least, and that is what most Hellknights are. *ahem* (http://media.theiapolis.com/d4/hMO/i1TDW/k2/l1LU/w1HC/karl-urban-as-judge-dredd-in-dredd-2012.jpg) If only they could even wish they were that awesome.


I would wager the handful of Paladins in the order are there to (a) try to improve Cheliax from within, (b) learn devil tactics from the inside, and (c) counter those Hellknights that slip to LE.Makes sense, LG characters are called out as not being revolutionaries.

[Psyren]

*ahem* (http://media.theiapolis.com/d4/hMO/i1TDW/k2/l1LU/w1HC/karl-urban-as-judge-dredd-in-dredd-2012.jpg) If only they could even wish they were that awesome.

As a constipated guy in a helmet? :smalltongue:
(Sorry, I know nothing about the Dredd mythos.)

Not that the Hellknights look any cooler - they go for a weird Bishamon motif in their armor that I dislike. The Agents of Thrune look badass though.

[Raven777]

I think they're (http://paizo.com/image/content/CouncilOfThieves/PZO9027-HellKnight.jpg) pretty (http://adventuresinvarisia.wdfiles.com/local--files/hellknights/PZO1111-Hellknight.jpg) badass (http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderTales/PZO8500-OrderoftheNailHellKnight.jpg).

[Coidzor]

As a constipated guy in a helmet? :smalltongue:
(Sorry, I know nothing about the Dredd mythos.)

I AM THE LAW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo). And so on and so forth.


Now where's the fun in that? :smalltongue:

(Maybe Nexx and Gebb?)

You dropped this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iSYAV2lp5c)

(I was thinking more Nex-Us and Geb-Ron, but I'm not that good at playing the sadist.)


Don't be ridiculous, the devils only have our best interests at heart.

Seriously though, there are many upsides to the current state of affairs, and the funny part is that the devil advisors to the throne are actually reining in Abrogail's evil urges. She's an impulsive child, and my character would like not nothing more than to give her a spanking (for various reasons).

If they didn't have the patience of devils they might even regret having offed her grandmother and encouraged the Thrunes to become even more brutish and sloppy in their cruelty and capriciousness from having to deal with her.


While Hellknights do hail from Cheliax, they do not serve the country directly, and they have very little to do with devils other than basing their ideals on Hell's strict adherence to law.

Also, even though everyone is aware that devils are behind the scenes in Cheliax these days, you won't exactly see pit fiends parading around the streets with their pet nessian hell hounds.

There's some blurriness inside Cheliax depending upon what outfit they're with and where they are, at least in the Council of Thieves AP from what I recall.

They've got better things to do, after all.

[Yora]

Umm.... Androids?

Actually, I now really want to include alchemical androids in my Bronze Age setting.

[Hunter Noventa]

How did you manage to miss giant robot scorpions from outer space?

My group doesn't use the Golarion setting, and I've only slightly perused the Golarion-related setting books. But damn that is just so awesome.

[ShadowFighter15]

My group doesn't use the Golarion setting, and I've only slightly perused the Golarion-related setting books. But damn that is just so awesome.

Yeah, that pic and this one really cement Numeria's techno-barbarian feel:
http://wondertrail.com/images/detailed/27/RPR60113.jpg

Really looking forward to Iron Gods, mainly because it means we'll also be getting some smaller supporting books about the nation and I am really interested in finding out more about the crashed ship and the Technic League.

[Psyren]

Yeah, that pic and this one really cement Numeria's techno-barbarian feel:
http://wondertrail.com/images/detailed/27/RPR60113.jpg

Really looking forward to Iron Gods, mainly because it means we'll also be getting some smaller supporting books about the nation and I am really interested in finding out more about the crashed ship and the Technic League.

I used that guy for a Psywar once :smallbiggrin:

He'd make a good Strength-based Soulknife too.