[3.P] Leadership below ECL 6?

[Fax Celestis]

Is there a way to get Leadership or an equivalent below ECL 6? I don't particularly want a cohort so much as I want minions. Starting an organized crime syndicate.

[Hamste]

Other than Thrallherd (ECL 6 so you have already seen this). Getting a cohort would have been a lot easier weirdly enough.

[Tim Proctor]

Is there a way to get Leadership or an equivalent below ECL 6? I don't particularly want a cohort so much as I want minions. Starting an organized crime syndicate.
The Business Rules in DMG II talk about the number of employees, and you can also hire specialists and partners for a Criminal Organization which sort of act as followers.

Other than that I would suggest a bunch of animal companion type effects.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Not Leadership, but there are tons of ways to get followers/minions at earlier levels:
Wild Cohort (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031118a) (1st)
Obtain Familiar (CA) + Improved Familiar (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#improvedFamiliar) (more in CW) (3rd+)
Undead-creation/controlling (Rebuke, Command Undead (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/commandUndead.htm), etc.) (1st with Improved Turning)
Various creature type/subtype rebuke/command domain abilities (Air, Animal, Cold, Earth, Fire, Slime, Water, etc.) (2nd)

[prufock]

Other than Thrallherd (ECL 6 so you have already seen this). Getting a cohort would have been a lot easier weirdly enough.

Would Wild Surge or Overchannel not count? I'd have thought you could get into Thrallherd at 5th with some combo to raise your ML.

[Benthesquid]

Is there a way to get Leadership or an equivalent below ECL 6? I don't particularly want a cohort so much as I want minions. Starting an organized crime syndicate.

Well, you can always pay for hirelings.

[Hamste]

You need 5 ranks in psionics though so you must be atleast 6 to get in.

[prufock]

You need 5 ranks in psionics though so you must be atleast 6 to get in.

Feats: Favored + Primary Contact get around this.

You're looking at eating up 4 feats, including the two above plus Inquisitor and Overchannel (if a psion) or Expanded Knowledge (if a wilder). A human with a flaw can do this by level 5, since they all have low prereqs.

[Hamste]

I believe that is D&D 3.5 and is not in 3.P

[Coidzor]

Is there a way to get Leadership or an equivalent below ECL 6? I don't particularly want a cohort so much as I want minions. Starting an organized crime syndicate.

Mentor and Apprentice Feats from DMG II based on the apprenticeship rules at ECL 5, at least, with DM approval you can exchange the Apprentice Feat for the Mentor Feat at 5th level, despite Mentor normally requiring the Apprentice feat as a prerequisite. That doesn't get minions though. I suppose the apprentice doesn't become properly cohort-like until ECL 10 anyway, so that's not actually a below ECL 6 method after all.


Various creature type/subtype rebuke/command domain abilities (Air, Animal, Cold, Earth, Fire, Slime, Water, etc.) (2nd)

Is there an alternate animal domain (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericDomains.htm#animalDomain) then?

[Fax Celestis]

3.5's entry req for Thrallherd is Know (Psi) 8.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Is there an alternate animal domain (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericDomains.htm#animalDomain) then?

I meant Plant...

[ahenobarbi]

There was a trick roughly going like that: a psion gets a psicrystal, then increases psicrystal to level higher than psions, then psicrystal obtains psicrystal, incrreasing it's level even higher...

One of the psicrystals could take leadership.

[prufock]

I believe that is D&D 3.5 and is not in 3.P
Pretty sure 3.P means both Pathfinder and 3.5 material are used.


3.5's entry req for Thrallherd is Know (Psi) 8.
Favored + Primary Contact gives you a bonus rank above what you would normally be allowed, so you can have 8 ranks by level 4. Just pick the psionic organization from Cityscape.

[Coidzor]

I meant Plant...

Durn, Initiate of Nature stands alone.

[Silva Stormrage]

I believe the firesouled template (LA +3) gives leadership as a bonus feat even if you don't qualify.

[NightbringerGGZ]

Drawing from PF sources:

The Squire Feat (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/squire) can be taken at 3rd level, gives you a cohort (with limited class options) and the feat is replaced with Leadership once you hit level 7.

The Taldan Knight Feat (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/taldan-knight) can be taken at BAB 6 and is even more restrictive than Squire. Also just a cohort.

The Dynasty Founder (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/story-feats/dynasty-founder-story) story feat gives you just followers, and can be taken at first level. It also boosts the Leadership feat and nets you control of a community if you complete the story goal.

Dynasty Founder + Squire could be a ton of fun if you're playing a martial class.

[Fax Celestis]

The Dynasty Founder (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/story-feats/dynasty-founder-story) story feat gives you just followers, and can be taken at first level. It also boosts the Leadership feat and nets you control of a community if you complete the story goal.

ABSO-BALLY-LUTELY PERFECT. You are a gentleman and a scholar, sir.

[NightbringerGGZ]

You are quite welcome good sir. With a little alteration of the fluff I believe the feat will give you everything you want. Please note that story feats require a good deal of cooperation between you and your GM. You'll need to discuss your plans and how they'll mesh with his for the feat to work well.

[Erik Vale]

Just like to point out you need a leadership score of 10 and level 3 before you can actually get any followers with said feat. The leadership score isn't so hard [assuming a cha based build that does sink their traits into leadership buffers as one would assume with the feat Doesn't actually help. Only way your getting followers at level three is cha-based build and cloaks of charisma.] but combining it with Squire at level 3 nets you basically everything leadership grants before level 6.

[CockroachTeaParty]

The Loyalty Marshal Mythic Path ability gives you early potential access to Leadership. You can take it at Tier 1, probably around 1st, 2nd, or 3rd level if you're starting Mythic early. Of course, you need to be playing in a Mythic game...

[Coidzor]

The Loyalty Marshal Mythic Path ability gives you early potential access to Leadership. You can take it at Tier 1, probably around 1st, 2nd, or 3rd level if you're starting Mythic early. Of course, you need to be playing in a Mythic game...

Mythic? What's that and where is it detailed?

[IronFist]

Mythic? What's that and where is it detailed?

Mythic Adventures book. Most of it is in d20pfsrd.

[NightbringerGGZ]

To help you out a bit more, I did find one trait that boosts your leadership score : Ethical Leader (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/race-traits/ethical-leader-aasimar). A pretty good trait with a little refluff.

I couldn't find any affordable magic items that boost your leadership score, so it's going to take a couple of levels before you start gaining followers.

[Fax Celestis]

If my DM lets me treat Dynasty Founder as Leadership for prereqs, I could also get Might Makes Right and add my STR in addition to my CHA to my level to determine my leadership score.

Also, the Rulership feat (Power of Faerun) seems a little ridiculous.


You are a ruler of an economic, frontier, governmental, military, religious, transport, or other community.
Prerequisite: Effective leadership score 10+, Leadership or Epic Leadership

Benefit: You gain a +4 bonus to your base Leadership score.

You gain a +100 bonus to your base Influence modifier.

As a ruler, you have some degree of authority over members of organizations in which you have followers. Once per day you can exchange a follower you gained from your Leadership feat for a different follower from the same organization. The DM determines the actual pool of followers available to you.

[Ruethgar]

Mongose Publishing's Quintessential Aristocrat has the Followers and Subordinate feats available at level three. Basically it is leadership split int two. It also has feats to boost your ability to lead, but leadership is broken already, no need to add more.