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Sapreaver
2013-10-19, 04:07 PM
What are some odd ways you guys can think of to destroy your game world.

The strangest I can think of is as such:

Be a wizard
Take wedded to history to become immortal
Get permanent endure elements.
Get a ring of sustenance
Get a bottle of air
become epic.
Gather a large amount of decanters of endless water and sovereign glue them to the inside of a bag of holding and each other.
Rig a away to activate all of them at once in geyser mode.
Nail your self to the sky with the bottle of hair attached to your face in some sort of mask set up.
While in low earth orbit open the bag of holding and activate all the flasks at once.
Wait for the world to flood.
Now if a flask is 3"x3"x6" so ~8 per cubic foot leave a small gap in each row. It's roughly 1250 decanters
1250 doing 30 gallons at the start and than as the water won't all be able to leave the bag all at once the pressure will rise leading to a constant rise in flow since the decanters are endless. You will of course need to make the decanters indestructible some how.
When the pressure has peaked. You will be out out putting 37500 gallons of water per round.

nedz
2013-10-19, 05:15 PM
It's going to take a very long time for you to do this. By the time that this might happen some other Wizard will have countered it.

Stille_Nacht
2013-10-19, 05:20 PM
Well easily the oddest would be something similar, except you are a commoner with the "cursed by chickens" flaw (1/2 chance to pull out a chicken instead of the object you wanted).

With enough fine sand in your bag of holding, and considering taking something out and dropping it is a free action, you could potentially flood the world in chickens in one round.

Fax Celestis
2013-10-19, 05:20 PM
> Be crusader
> Have Aura of Chaos and Luck Devotion
> Get polymorphed into a Small viper
> Activate Aura of Chaos
> Activate Luck Devotion
> Bite the ground

Slipperychicken
2013-10-19, 05:21 PM
One of my favorites is opening up a portal between the sun and the earth, incinerating the planet (or at least part of it, hopefully igniting the atmosphere) with the sun's ludicrous energy output.

FearlessGnome
2013-10-19, 05:29 PM
One of my favorites is opening up a portal between the sun and the earth, incinerating the planet (or at least part of it, hopefully igniting the atmosphere) with the sun's ludicrous energy output.
...Huh. That was easier than I expected.

SimonMoon6
2013-10-19, 05:55 PM
It's going to take a very long time for you to do this. By the time that this might happen some other Wizard will have countered it.

Yeah, it reminds me of Professor Chaos (Butters) from South Park, planning to flood the world by turning on the hose.

Personally, I'd use Polymorph Any Object to turn a random object into a black hole or star or whatever.

TuggyNE
2013-10-19, 05:59 PM
Well easily the oddest would be something similar, except you are a commoner with the "cursed by chickens" flaw (1/2 chance to pull out a chicken instead of the object you wanted).

With enough fine sand in your bag of holding, and considering taking something out and dropping it is a free action, you could potentially flood the world in chickens in one round.

Usual policy there is to use a spell component pouch (here aptly shortened to SCP), since it has infinite contents.

Captnq
2013-10-19, 06:09 PM
Simple

Step 1. Build a thing. Any Thing. Don't matter what it is.

Step 2. Enchant it to be able to make an exact copy of itself out of any raw material given an amount of time.

Step 3. Let it go. Watch it burrow into the ground making copies of itself as it goes.

Step 4. In a horrifically short period of time, the power of exponential doubling will result into the world dissolving into a seething mass of copies of your thing.

Step 5. ???

Step 6. Profit.

Czin
2013-10-19, 06:19 PM
Simple

Step 1. Build a thing. Any Thing. Don't matter what it is.

Step 2. Enchant it to be able to make an exact copy of itself out of any raw material given an amount of time.

Step 3. Let it go. Watch it burrow into the ground making copies of itself as it goes.

Step 4. In a horrifically short period of time, the power of exponential doubling will result into the world dissolving into a seething mass of copies of your thing.

Step 5. ???

Step 6. Profit.
While odd to fantasy, to Science fiction this is quite simply grey goo. :smallsmile:

Ravens_cry
2013-10-19, 06:21 PM
Be some kind of not-dying immortal.
Get an item of once per day disintegrate.
Use it.
Over and over and over again.
Hey, it will work!
Eventually.

Malroth
2013-10-19, 06:37 PM
Evil Bard with Dark Speech, Dragonfire Inspiration (sonic) or (acid), Melodic Casting, A Masterwork Alphorn The skill trick that allows concentration as a move action and the spells Inspiration boost, and Summon Swarm. Cast inspiration boost on yourself and play your alphorn so that all allies in a 10 mile radius recieve your bonus elemental damage from dragonfire inspiration, then while you continue to play Cast Summon Swarm and use the Darkspeech to make it into an evil CL90 Sorcerer with the stated purpose of Expanding its numbers and devouring everything. If we assume the CL90 sorcorer also knows summon swarm and the Dark speech and has the skill trick that allows it to maintain concentration as a move action then each swarm can cast and maintain concentration on two other swarms Doubling the number of evil hiveminds each round and dealing massive sonic damage to everything within their area thanks to their swarm attack.

jaydubs
2013-10-19, 06:49 PM
Here's another one involving a decanter of endless water.

Find a way to get a decanter of endless water, a way to keep it warm, and a reliable, immortal minion into space. Give the minion orders to continuously use the decanter to add to a growing iceball, and to use the warmth to keep the decanter itself (or the minion) from freezing.

Now, send the two on a trajectory calculated to intercept the planet again in a few hundred/thousand/million years (I refuse to do the math right now). Generations upon generations later, a giant comet made of ice crashes into the planet. Depending on the size, the result may be anywhere from extinction level catastrophe to actually shattering the planet.

The type of plan someone might come up with if he wants to destroy the world, but doesn't want to deal with the consequences in his own lifetime. It might also make an interesting way to have a doomsday plot the heroes need to stop without there actually being a BBEG. The plan was put into place by a species long dead, as a final act of vengeance against those that destroyed them or somesuch.

Threadnaught
2013-10-19, 07:07 PM
Wish for an arbitrarily high Caster Level scroll of Polymorph Any Object, gain some form of protection from a vacuum, the Polymorph the planet into something alive, kill and disintegrate it while trying not to laugh too much at every other living creature on the planet dying in the vacuum, then dismiss the PAO.

Would the human sized pile of dust floating in space turn into a planet sized pile of dust floating in space, or a bunch of rocks?

limejuicepowder
2013-10-19, 07:12 PM
Here's another one involving a decanter of endless water.

Find a way to get a decanter of endless water, a way to keep it warm, and a reliable, immortal minion into space. Give the minion orders to continuously use the decanter to add to a growing iceball, and to use the warmth to keep the decanter itself (or the minion) from freezing.

Now, send the two on a trajectory calculated to intercept the planet again in a few hundred/thousand/million years (I refuse to do the math right now). Generations upon generations later, a giant comet made of ice crashes into the planet. Depending on the size, the result may be anywhere from extinction level catastrophe to actually shattering the planet.

The type of plan someone might come up with if he wants to destroy the world, but doesn't want to deal with the consequences in his own lifetime. It might also make an interesting way to have a doomsday plot the heroes need to stop without there actually being a BBEG. The plan was put into place by a species long dead, as a final act of vengeance against those that destroyed them or somesuch.

This idea, both the actual plan and the idea behind it, is awesome. Like a Mayan calendar deal - the player's have to decipher dead languages, traverse old traps, and find lost items/cities to prevent the countdown to the end of the world clock from hitting zero. I think this would work well in a low/no magic setting, and the only access to magic is old items that can still be found in dungeons and ruins; some of the only remains of the now-extinct magic empire that also is responsible for the doomsday device.

As for the OP: wight/shadow apocalypse. How this hasn't happened already in every setting that includes them, I don't know.

Malroth
2013-10-19, 07:25 PM
Green dragon Wyrmling With Enlarge breath, Clinging breath and Lingering breath and enough Ranks in Knowledge (Astronomy) and Knowledge (Mathematics) to calculate the Planets Orbit around the sun. Climb on top of a mountian and calculate when your field of view covers the majority of the planets solar orbit, Use your breath weapon, Delay your next breath by 10 years from Lingering breath and enough times from enlarge breath to cover the Planets orbit (~60 rounds should be enough depending on the exact orbit)
Every square on the half of the planet facing its orbital direction will be hit by thousands of 10' cubes of acidic gas every round for the next 5 years.

Forrestfire
2013-10-19, 07:26 PM
Fabricate and enchant four objects out of riverine:

A small, permanently-animate objects'd statue
A decanter of endless water
A self-resetting trap of time stop
A hollow sphere with a hole sealed flush to the decanter, with the animated object and the trap inside it

Activate the decanter and give the animated object orders to trigger the trap repeatedly the moment you leave its line of sight, while holding the decanter. Use another Fabricate to create a riverine sphere around the first one (and the active decant. Plane shift away.

Because of the way time stop works, it will get infinitely-nested sets of 1d4+1 apparent rounds, during which the decanter is flowing.

Because riverine is a force effect and can't be broken without magic, the sphere the animated object is in will remain safe from any pressure, while water will continuously fill the space between the two shells. Nothing stops the flow of the decanter other than the command word, so it will get effectively infinite mass worth of stuff in a small space in an infinitesimal amount of time.

Say hello to the universe's newest black hole.

FearlessGnome
2013-10-19, 08:10 PM
Nah, the Decanter would start taking Pressure damage.

TuggyNE
2013-10-19, 08:30 PM
Nah, the Decanter would start taking Pressure damage.

That's why it's riverine. :smalltongue:

Still, I'm not totally sure attended active magical objects get accelerated with their owners... that part seems a little shaky.

Instead, how about adding another trap, this one of create water? Then have the statue activate the traps alternately or whatever.

Forrestfire
2013-10-19, 08:42 PM
If active items didn't get accelerated with the user, you'd rip your feet off on your magic boots :smalltongue:

Create water traps don't work, because it can't create water inside another object (the pre-existing sphere of pressurized water), unlike a decanter, which shoots it out of the nozzle instead of creating it at a point.

Grod_The_Giant
2013-10-19, 09:04 PM
There's a handbook for that (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227513). My favorites is the 4th level Dragon Shaman who can cloak the world in acid for all eternity.

AuraTwilight
2013-10-19, 09:17 PM
My boyfriend had the idea of a civilization that dumped radioactive waste into the Astral Plane, with the idea that eventually they'd accidentally irradiate literally everything via literally all portals because the Astral Plane is infinitesimal.

And since the Astral Plane is timeless, the halflife will never end, ever.

Rakaydos
2013-10-19, 09:20 PM
Gate on the bottom of the ocean.

http://what-if.xkcd.com/53/

TuggyNE
2013-10-19, 09:24 PM
For the really sloppy Tippyverse style of destruction, there's always Zodar-wishing for a repeating trap of wish-for-repeating-traps-of-wish-for-decanters-of-water. At which point all you need is to make sure they're created in geyser mode, and, eventually, you'll have enough exponential growth to flood the world in water, and then in decanters.


If active items didn't get accelerated with the user, you'd rip your feet off on your magic boots :smalltongue:

What sort of boots are you thinking of? I meant "active magical effects don't get processed on the accelerated timetable, as opposed to passive ones".


Create water traps don't work, because it can't create water inside another object (the pre-existing sphere of pressurized water), unlike a decanter, which shoots it out of the nozzle instead of creating it at a point.

Hmm. Fair enough.

Edit:
My boyfriend had the idea of a civilization that dumped radioactive waste into the Astral Plane, with the idea that eventually they'd accidentally irradiate literally everything via literally all portals because the Astral Plane is infinitesimal.

And since the Astral Plane is timeless, the halflife will never end, ever.

But, because the Astral is timeless, nothing ever decays radioactively, so there's no radiation to cause problems.

AuraTwilight
2013-10-19, 09:47 PM
But, because the Astral is timeless, nothing ever decays radioactively, so there's no radiation to cause problems.

This is the same 'timeless' plane where causal events can follow each other and energy can be expended. Decaying uranium caught in that moment in D&D-verse would probably keep being radioactive forever, not even touching how different the Multiverse may-or-may-not-be at a subatomic level from ours.

lunar2
2013-10-19, 11:05 PM
be a cancer mage with infinite strength, throw another planet at the planet.

Jack_Simth
2013-10-19, 11:29 PM
When the pressure has peaked. You will be out out putting 37500 gallons of water per round.
And... what happens if the high tide line is marked, somewhere on the planet, by a Sphere of Annihilation?

Or when your flood reaches the point that it's going into the mouth of that grinning devil in The Tomb of Horrors?

Even if such a thing doesn't happen... if we use Earth, you've got approximately 510,072,000 square kilometers to cover. That's about 5,490,371,677,986,717 square feet. To cover that even by one foot, (assuming the earth is perfectly flat, which it's not, but just for a rough estimate...) you'd need something like 41,070,892,569,137,816 gallons of water. At 37,500 gallons per round, you'll need 1.095223802×10¹² rounds. You'll be at that for some 208,375 years before you'll get that one foot rise. To cover mount everest's peak, which is 29,029 ft above sea level, you'll be at it for something like six billion years.

I think you'll probably be stopped before then. Maybe by something small, like the sun dying.

Rubik
2013-10-19, 11:30 PM
Transport a massive tarpaulin into space so it weighs nothing. Inscribe a giant Explosive Spell'd Explosive Runes spell on it. Turn it invisible and spread it over the surface of the moon, with the rune facing the planet. After the invisibility spell dissipates, the first creature to read the rune will set it off. The spell says that the spell's area is as far away as it takes to read the rune, so Explosive Spell will shove the planet to the extent of that range, dealing d6's of damage all the way.

I'm fairly sure that whole half of the planet will be gone by the time that's the case, and the remainder will be knocked so far out of its planetary alignment that everything on it without the [fire] or [cold] subtype (depending on which direction it's moved in) will quite likely die, as will anything that requires air to breathe, food to eat, and water to drink.

Kane0
2013-10-20, 01:43 AM
Single use item of remote activated Apocalypse from the Sky set up in every major settlement. Alternatively the obligatory locate city bomb.

Don't press the big red button. Or say the 'A' word.

Ravens_cry
2013-10-20, 01:44 AM
Single use item of remote activated Apocalypse from the Sky set up in every major settlement.

Don't press the big red button. Or say the 'A' word.
The paint on the signs wouldn't have a chance to dry.:smalleek:

Kane0
2013-10-20, 01:47 AM
Oh: The Arcane archers revenge

Design some way for something like meteor swarm to be delivered via arrow, get a whole bunch set up and ready to be delivered via Launch item or something similar.

Lonely Tylenol
2013-10-20, 02:50 AM
be a cancer mage with infinite strength, throw another planet at the planet.

This was the idea I came here to post, so alternatively:

Be a Cancer Mage with Festering Anger and NI strength (best acquired by being an Elan, or some other race that does not die due to old age, and then meditate for an unspecified amount of time in a plane with a hyper-accelerated time trait, sustaining yourself psionically). Mountain Hammer the ground.

Malroth
2013-10-20, 04:53 AM
A Hulking Hurler would need 410 Str to be able to use a thown weapon the mass of the planet but would only be able to shift its orbit by 30 feet per thow thus you could thow the world into the sun given 16,360,960,000 rounds of tossing if you had a place to stand capable of supporting this much.

To destroy the world with 1 hit Via Mountian hammer would require you deal 275,369,645,208,333,333,333,341 damage in one hit assuming that the earth posessesed the same 1hp per 240 cubic inch ratio as the wall of stone spell. This would require you spend 377,218,692,066,210,045,661 years infected by festering anger before striking or 26,195,742,504,597,920 Years building up blood in the water stance damage by continously coup de gracing a troll

Edit
Using an alternate thrown weapon to 1shot the Earth would take a minimum Str score of 350 to thow the 39,385,207,440,476,190,476 lb projectile but since this the moon is a handily available object aproximately 7 times heavier than this, one could oneshot the earth in 42,046,400 throws

Twilightwyrm
2013-10-20, 08:40 AM
While odd to fantasy, to Science fiction this is quite simply grey goo. :smallsmile:

"The Sorcerer's Apprentice" segment from Fantasia comes to mind as a fantasy equivalent.

Brookshw
2013-10-20, 11:25 AM
Destroying the world aside recently I've been enjoying the idea of using numerous ring gates with the entry ring submerged in the river oceanus and the exit ring in a layer of the abyss. Given the weight restriction you'd need a lot to achieve anything, but what the hey, the abyss is a dirty dirty place that could use a good scrub.

Rubik
2013-10-20, 12:14 PM
What would happen if you managed to clone yourself after devising an epic spell that turned whatever outer plane you're on and all of its residents to their opposite alignment, then deposited your clones on every layer of the Good-aligned planes and cast the spell?

nedz
2013-10-20, 12:17 PM
What would happen if you managed to clone yourself after devising an epic spell that turned whatever outer plane you're on and all of its residents to their opposite alignment, then deposited your clones on every layer of the Good-aligned planes and cast the spell?

The now evil denizens kill your clones, eventually, and now return the being GOOD again. It's no use trying to run away either, for obvious reasons.

Having your clones rally to the same plane could give some interesting Outsider (Schroedinger) moments.

Rubik
2013-10-20, 12:43 PM
The now evil denizens kill your clones, eventually, and now return the being GOOD again. It's no use trying to run away either, for obvious reasons.

Having your clones rally to the same plane could give some interesting Outsider (Schroedinger) moments.Any epic spellcaster worth his smelling-salts would be able to mow down outsiders like nobody's business, even with clones.

I'm just wondering what would happen to a cosmology if two-thirds of all the planes were rendered Evil, and the best you could hope for was Neutral.

Jack_Simth
2013-10-20, 01:29 PM
assuming that the earth posessesed the same 1hp per 240 cubic inch ratio as the wall of stone spell.Do note that the modern-day Earth appears to be primarily composed of Iron...

Also of note is that the HP for walls is per 10x10 section, not 5x5 section, so that's much less than you might think. You're also applying damage in 10x10x5 sections, so dealing neigh-infinite damage will only powder the smallish section you hit, it won't shatter the planet.

Czin
2013-10-20, 01:34 PM
Do note that the modern-day Earth appears to be primarily composed of Iron...

Also of note is that the HP for walls is per 10x10 section, not 5x5 section, so that's much less than you might think. You're also applying damage in 10x10x5 sections, so dealing neigh-infinite damage will only powder the smallish section you hit, it won't shatter the planet.

Well, the crust is 75% silicates (siO2) with much of the rest being Iron, Aluminum, Carbon, and Nickel, but as get deeper you get more and more heavy elements. The center of the Earth is, according to my understanding, fairly radioactive.

I'm not sure how it all balances out in terms of mass though.

nedz
2013-10-20, 01:50 PM
Any epic spellcaster worth his smelling-salts would be able to mow down outsiders like nobody's business, even with clones.

I believe that there are quite a few Epic Outsiders, you know Gods and the like.

Zanos
2013-10-20, 01:54 PM
I believe that there are quite a few Epic Outsiders, you know Gods and the like.

Epic spellcaster's unmake gods for breakfast. For lunch they obliterate the current reality, and by dinner they've remade existence to better suit them.

FearlessGnome
2013-10-20, 02:17 PM
I'm just wondering what would happen to a cosmology if two-thirds of all the planes were rendered Evil, and the best you could hope for was Neutral.

This is largely what happened in my favourite meatspace campaign. We spent a real life year trying to undo a pan-cosmic one step shift towards Evil. It was wonderful. Lots of Neutral NPCs who weren't even evil, just used to life in a world where the kindest people you were ever likely to meet were LN, and Good people were about as common as Exalted ones are in most campaign worlds.

The only downside: LN paladins. They alone were enough to convince me that the Pact Primeval must be destroyed. One day I will run this campaign, and I will have my revenge on [Law].

.../Off topic.

Zombulian
2013-10-20, 02:40 PM
Be a 20th lvl Truenamer and open a Gate to the elemental plane of water to flood the world. The odd part here is that you took 20 levels of Truenamer.

Ravens_cry
2013-10-20, 03:00 PM
Be a 20th lvl Truenamer and open a Gate to the elemental plane of water to flood the world. The odd part here is that you took 20 levels of Truenamer.
Hope you took Craft: Ark as well.:smalltongue:

Zancloufer
2013-10-20, 03:30 PM
I got one here, requires you be an Archer with some method of getting to other planets. Here's the method

1) Get the Far Shot feat. This essentially allows you to hit any target you can see with your naked eye with no range penalty. You can see other stars.

2) Be able to survive without oxygen. Some sort of Undead, or Warfordged would work here. Alternately wish for a working space suit with a decanter of endless air or something.

3) Get to a Planet around Alpha Centari, 1-2 Gates should do the trick. ~3 Light Years is far enough away for this trick. Arcturus works too, but it's ~8 Light Years away, and I don't think there is a planet there. Alternately a planet withing 3-10 light years that has a Gravity of +/- 0.1 G works.

4) Aim at the sun of the planet you want to destroy with an arrow. Let's make it out of something heavy, a 1kg arrow is plenty and easier to calculate.

5) Fire. Due to D&D Physics that arrow with travel 3+ light years in 6 seconds. Which is about 5126400 times the speed of light, which means out ~1KG arrow has a velocity of ~1536856056691200 m/s.

Now, 1 KG of matter at ~1536856056691200 m/s upon impact releases 1/2*m*v2 where M is 1KG and V is ~1536856056691200 m/s Squared.

So that's about 1180963269494212474146078720000 Joules, or 1.18*10^30.

Umm, 1 Joule = 2.39005736 × 10-10 tons of tnt, so that's about 4.93*10^19 Tonnes, which is about 4930000000 Teratonnes of explosive power.

I'm not 100% certain what that would do, but I would say my arrow blotted out your sun and probably killed a Mole of Catgirls at the same time.

Ravens_cry
2013-10-20, 03:42 PM
Eh . . .
It's like the infamous commoner rail gun. You are regarding and disregarding the laws of physics and the game at the same time. There is just no consistency to the thing.

FearlessGnome
2013-10-20, 03:46 PM
You can, however, throw people into the sun with a level 21 or so fighter. Can't remember how, but it was some sort of PrC/epic feat combination.

As a standard action, of course.

Zancloufer
2013-10-20, 04:13 PM
Eh . . .
It's like the infamous commoner rail gun. You are regarding and disregarding the laws of physics and the game at the same time. There is just no consistency to the thing.

I'm not sure it's 100% like the commoner Rail Gun. That assumes that passing objects between commoners is somehow travelling at (near) infinite velocity and then some how someone catches something travelling at (near) infinite velocity without exploding.

Now a Full Round attack with Far Shot is by RAW assumed to take at most 6 seconds for something to travel the full distance. I just think the person who designed that feat for infinite range never stopped and though about putting in a sub-line about maximum distance travelled in a round. I mean you still couldn't SPOT most people at a reasonable distance, but the Sun with it's size category has something like -50^2 billion to hide.

Alternatively I could use a Wizard with the same feat and a 1kg bolt + Launch Bolt spell. A wizard did it is a slightly more plausible explanation.

Kane0
2013-10-20, 04:13 PM
-Bring the Blood War to the Prime. Reroute the marshalling portals perhaps?

-Also, mass use of various living spells. Preferably ones that use up a lot of basic materials.

-Edit: Alchemists fire that turns whatever it burns into more alchemists fire.

Ravens_cry
2013-10-20, 04:22 PM
I'm not sure it's 100% like the commoner Rail Gun. That assumes that passing objects between commoners is somehow travelling at (near) infinite velocity and then some how someone catches something travelling at (near) infinite velocity without exploding.

Now a Full Round attack with Far Shot is by RAW assumed to take at most 6 seconds for something to travel the full distance. I just think the person who designed that feat for infinite range never stopped and though about putting in a sub-line about maximum distance travelled in a round. I mean you still couldn't SPOT most people at a reasonable distance, but the Sun with it's size category has something like -50^2 billion to hide.

Alternatively I could use a Wizard with the same feat and a 1kg bolt + Launch Bolt spell. A wizard did it is a slightly more plausible explanation.
You are saying "Well, if we turn off physics, do this silly thing that only works by RAW because the game assumes the game is happening in a relatively small area, then turn ON physics and boom! Lots of damage because that arrow is now travelling faster than the speed of light when it hits!"
I didn't say it was 100% like the commoner rail gun, I am saying it is the same idea of turning on and off physics.

(Un)Inspired
2013-10-20, 04:29 PM
Has anyone mentioned Iron Heart Surge yet? I feel like someone should bring up Iron Heart Surge.

Let's see... Conditions affecting me...

How about strong nuclear force? IHS activate! Boom, no more atoms, period (yeah, suck on that atoms). That should take out the planet and the warblade gets a +2 to attack rolls

Beardbarian
2013-10-20, 04:30 PM
I heard about a sword that imposes a Fort save at every construct that were hit and the earth is cosidered a gargantuan construct. If you hit the earth enough times it will fail the fort save and explode

Zancloufer
2013-10-20, 04:40 PM
You are saying "Well, if we turn off physics, do this silly thing that only works by RAW because the game assumes the game is happening in a relatively small area, then turn ON physics and boom! Lots of damage because that arrow is now travelling faster than the speed of light when it hits!"
I didn't say it was 100% like the commoner rail gun, I am saying it is the same idea of turning on and off physics.

I can concede to that point. I suppose my plan is more of an epic RAW failure than a legitimate apocalypse.

A resetting trap of Delayed Blast Fireball and Timestop? Stop time, placed 1d3+1 Delayed blast fireballs while taking 5ft steps each time, Stop time again, repeat? I mean it would take a while but you could cover anything you want with 20d6 Fire damage per 5ft square. Since your constantly stopping time in theory nothing can interrupt you. . .

Mithril Leaf
2013-10-20, 05:40 PM
Be first level wizard with Precocious Apprentice (Mirror Move)
Cast Mirror Move and use one of the major oceans as a material component.
?????
Profit.


Not the strongest or most tedious to overcome, but it manages to beat Pun-Pun in time, while only using first party material, which is the real goal, no?

TuggyNE
2013-10-20, 05:40 PM
I heard about a sword that imposes a Fort save at every construct that were hit and the earth is cosidered a gargantuan construct. If you hit the earth enough times it will fail the fort save and explode

That seems extremely strange. The earth is not a creature, but an object (and is therefore not of the Construct type), and constructs are immune to Fort saves that don't also affect objects anyway.

Was it a sword that made struck objects roll Fort or blow up? That would make more sense.

Oh, that reminds me, there's a spell I can't remember the name of that has a target of a lump of rock, and makes it blow up to cause damage in an area. Of course… there's no size limit on the target.

Ravens_cry
2013-10-20, 06:15 PM
I can concede to that point. I suppose my plan is more of an epic RAW failure than a legitimate apocalypse.

I wouldn't call it an epic RAW failure, just operating far, far outside the assumptions of play the creators had in mind and mixing RAW and real world physics in an inconsistent way.

gomipile
2013-10-20, 06:17 PM
..bottle of hair...

I know it was a typo, but this needs to be statted up. Not to mention that it could be used in the same way as you used the decanters in your OP to produce quite a... hairy apocalypse.

/sunglasses

YEEEAAAAAAAAHH....

gomipile
2013-10-20, 07:53 PM
@Zancloufer: If you really want to use physics abuse, you'd want to be very slightly less than 6 light seconds away from your target, since as speed approaches c, relativistic energy approaches infinity, but energy above c is ill-defined.

In fact, if you take the equations for relativistic energy literally, just above v=c the speed component of energy is "infinitely" negative on the imaginary axis, and approaches zero as the speed approaches infinity. So, your arrow launched from Alpha Centauri would have approximately the same energy as if it wasn't moving at all relative to the Sun's reference frame.

Zombulian
2013-10-20, 08:09 PM
Be first level wizard with Precocious Apprentice (Mirror Move)
Cast Mirror Move and use one of the major oceans as a material component.
?????
Profit.


Not the strongest or most tedious to overcome, but it manages to beat Pun-Pun in time, while only using first party material, which is the real goal, no?

I'm a little lost... What are you doing?

Mithril Leaf
2013-10-20, 08:33 PM
I'm a little lost... What are you doing?

First I'm being a wizard and taking Precocious Apprentice to get the spell Mirror Move (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/sb/sb20000901a) as something that I can cast. Then I cast the spell while on a beach. The material component of the spell is a reflective surface and it's stated that water counts for this purpose. Material components are consumed when a spell is cast. No more oceans.

Rijan_Sai
2013-10-20, 09:02 PM
Be first level wizard with Precocious Apprentice (Mirror Move)
Cast Mirror Move and use one of the major oceans as a material component.
?????
Profit.


Not the strongest or most tedious to overcome, but it manages to beat Pun-Pun in time, while only using first party material, which is the real goal, no?

Yeah...you got me beat, then... my first thought was "1: Get a Candle of Invocation...":smalltongue:

Also: Wish: "I wish to divide by 0"
...
Not the ability to divide by 0, just straight-up division!

Ravens_cry
2013-10-20, 09:51 PM
First I'm being a wizard and taking Precocious Apprentice to get the spell Mirror Move (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/sb/sb20000901a) as something that I can cast. Then I cast the spell while on a beach. The material component of the spell is a reflective surface and it's stated that water counts for this purpose. Material components are consumed when a spell is cast. No more oceans.
Technically, only the *surface* of the water is destroyed, because that is the component, not the entire body of water. And lo, under the molecule thin surface of the water is another one! And another! And another!

Kane0
2013-10-20, 10:12 PM
Technically, only the *surface* of the water is destroyed, because that is the component, not the entire body of water. And lo, under the molecule thin surface of the water is another one! And another! And another!

But that's no fun at all. I'd at least say the water that light can reach from the surface. Thats a significant portion but not the whole thing.

Grinner
2013-10-20, 10:17 PM
Generate a black hole using an endless supply of spontaneously generated chickens.

Red Rubber Band
2013-10-20, 10:47 PM
If you wanted to do the Far Shot a planet for stupid damage trick by abusing RAW, you have to remember that by D&D rules you can't actually see the sun (assuming Earth to Sun distances and sizes). Not even considering something that is farther away.

Sapreaver
2013-10-20, 10:48 PM
Lots of great ideas here! My favourite so far is definitely the ring gates under the ocean.
New idea easily preventable but odd non the less.

Operation green goo.

Be a class that has access to arboreal transformation and polymorph any object
Create a self resetting magical trap that is on a piece of dust for each spell.
Have pao turn the affected creature in to a rat
Enlarge the dust and than sovereign glue the two pieces of dust to each other
Repeat until you have a jar of said dust fly in to trade wind
Release the dust the planet will slowly turn in to rats and than trees under your command

Sapreaver
2013-10-20, 11:02 PM
Bottle of hair minor artifact.
This flask appears to contain a silvery liquid upon closer inspection in the liquid There appears to be tiny fibres suspended in the liquid.

Upon speaking a command word and uncorking the bottle the liquid will either slowly extrudes a neatly braided rope made of hair at the rate of 5 ft per runs until the command word is spoken.
Or
The silver liquid bursts forth covering a 5 ft x 5ft x 5ft cube with coarse tangled hair(dc 10 reflex to avoid entanglement) targets hit are entangled dc 17 str check to break free. If the command word to stop it isn't spoken this continues next round pushing the hair forwards.
Can be applied with no command world to immediately cause a 1 inch thick layer of thick hair to grow on any flesh it comes in to contact with. Never runs out of applications.

Ravens_cry
2013-10-20, 11:04 PM
But that's no fun at all. I'd at least say the water that light can reach from the surface. Thats a significant portion but not the whole thing.
But that's not what it said, now is it?. :smalltongue:
If that's the definition of the surface of the water, think how deep one would have to go to be under the surface of the water.

Zombulian
2013-10-20, 11:45 PM
First I'm being a wizard and taking Precocious Apprentice to get the spell Mirror Move (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/sb/sb20000901a) as something that I can cast. Then I cast the spell while on a beach. The material component of the spell is a reflective surface and it's stated that water counts for this purpose. Material components are consumed when a spell is cast. No more oceans.

Mm I assumed that was how it worked. I just couldn't find the rule that said that they were consumed upon the casting.

gomipile
2013-10-21, 12:51 AM
Bottle of hair minor artifact.
This flask appears to contain a silvery liquid upon closer inspection in the liquid There appears to be tiny fibres suspended in the liquid.

Upon speaking a command word and uncorking the bottle the liquid will either slowly extrudes a neatly braided rope made of hair at the rate of 5 ft per runs until the command word is spoken.
Or
The silver liquid bursts forth covering a 5 ft x 5ft x 5ft cube with coarse tangled hair(dc 10 reflex to avoid entanglement) targets hit are entangled dc 17 str check to break free. If the command word to stop it isn't spoken this continues next round pushing the hair forwards.
Can be applied with no command world to immediately cause a 1 inch thick layer of thick hair to grow on any flesh it comes in to contact with. Never runs out of applications.

That's significantly better than I imagined.

Rainbownaga
2013-10-23, 07:30 AM
Mm I assumed that was how it worked. I just couldn't find the rule that said that they were consumed upon the casting.

It's listed as a material component, not a focus. Components are always consumed on casting.

AzureKnight
2013-10-23, 09:18 AM
wish a sphere of anniahlation to the planets core. the black hole effect would empty the core and cause the planet to collapse into itself.

Rubik
2013-10-23, 12:31 PM
wish a sphere of anniahlation to the planets core. the black hole effect would empty the core and cause the planet to collapse into itself.That, or it would end up with a Hollow World scenario.

And since this is a D&D setting...

Threadnaught
2013-10-23, 01:57 PM
wish a sphere of anniahlation to the planets core. the black hole effect would empty the core and cause the planet to collapse into itself.

That, or it would end up with a Hollow World scenario.

And since this is a D&D setting...

Sphere of Annihilation + Well of Many Worlds = Black Hole that destroys the Multiverse, without the intervention of the gods.

Clistenes
2013-10-23, 02:40 PM
Lots of great ideas here! My favourite so far is definitely the ring gates under the ocean.
New idea easily preventable but odd non the less.

Operation green goo.

Be a class that has access to arboreal transformation and polymorph any object
Create a self resetting magical trap that is on a piece of dust for each spell.
Have pao turn the affected creature in to a rat
Enlarge the dust and than sovereign glue the two pieces of dust to each other
Repeat until you have a jar of said dust fly in to trade wind
Release the dust the planet will slowly turn in to rats and than trees under your command

Wouldn't the end of the world come faster if creatures were turned into Battletitan Dinosaurs, Purple Worms, Elder Black Puddings and Devastation Vermins instead of rats?

Ravens_cry
2013-10-23, 02:55 PM
That, or it would end up with a Hollow World scenario.

And since this is a D&D setting...
A world that wasn't made for that (or without divine/Immortal intervention) would implode into a much smaller world, which would then be eating up by the sphere of annihilation expressively, like a gumball being licked out of existence but from the inside.

Kansaschaser
2013-10-23, 02:57 PM
1. Be a Warforged Wizard.
2. Craft a Riverine Morphing Sizing Weapon +5.
3. Use the Sizing quality to change the weapon into a Colossal++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. Basically, make it about the same size as the planet you are standing on.
4. Cast Animate Weapon (Complete Mage) on the weapon.
5. Have the planet sized weapon (which is now an animated object) repeatedly smash the planet into oblivion or out of orbit and into the sun. Your choice.