Coidzor
2013-10-19, 05:53 PM
So I'm going to be playing in a game soon(ish), where there's going to be two bards, one focusing on Inspire Courage, and the other PrCing out into Troubadour (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222125)(admittedly, this is not up to date), a homebrew class focused on healing and having a unicorn mount, ASAP. The current version of Troubadour dumps inspire courage like a bad lover, so the current ban on dragonfire inspiration(because it has anything to do with dragons) doesn't cause as much friction between the two as it could.
They're both almost completely new to D&D though, so I figure that since I'm taking advantage of the free LA+1 on my character I should at least try to point them towards something that'll be good for them, especially after I pointed the (melee) Rogue towards the LA+1 Dark Template. I'd recommend an LA+1 race(or even combining the LA+0 Feytouched with the 1 level Savage Progression for Feytouched>Half-Fey as an LA+1, since having them on a slightly higher footing to start wouldn't be terrible and so there'd at least be some chance the DM'd approve it), but right now they're both fairly set upon humans, uless I could find a bard-friendly Unicorn(My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic) race and get it approved for the setting, probably as some kind of planar castaway/freak accident/mage's experiment.
The one bard seems like he doesn't really want to do anything in combat besides play music, he didn't particularly like the idea of using a ranged weapon or mixing music and melee, and he wasn't particularly interested in casting spells while playing music either. So I've been having a bit of trouble advising him, especially because he's playing an instrument-based bard which always frustrate me as to what they're supposed to be doing in combat unless they just stop playing after the initial round they activate their bardic music. His ears seemed to perk up when I mentioned things like Doomspeak(sadly shot down by the DM who decided that since it used a use of bardic music it couldn't be used while bardic music was in use) which would potentially be usable while he was playing and Haunting Melody which definitely be usable while he was using bardic music, so I pointed him towards Inspire Awe, and I believe the Mantle Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33551) is going to be going for Intimidate-locking so there's some synergy there, especially before he gets Imperious Command and Never Outnumbered. I think he might be the one more interested in going Bardic Knack if two bards with full bardic knowledge would be too much overlap?
The other bard's player doesn't seem to really want to have her character do much in the way of the Face role or fight in combat as a ranged or melee combatant. She's firm that she wants to play a support role, and she's been directed towards how to optimize inspire courage, though no DFI, for better or worse. She'll probably be some variant of Exalted and taking words of creation though, so there's that. Other than optimizing IC, I'm not sure what to point her towards, though she wants to focus on support and using illusions as a caster, so I figure the "standard" Bard>Virtuoso>Sublime Chord>More Virtuouso is probably where she'll end up, though I'm not sure what to recommend she do for the first few levels when she doesn't really have the spells per day to use in fights(maybe some SLAs from a template would help there).
I've already pointed both of them towards the various bard handbooks out there and have tried with mixed success to talk to them about what they want their characters to do, though I don't think either one is all that comfortable with me yet, since I'm pretty new to them, plus they're pretty new to learning the game.
We're playing 3.5 with things adopted in from Homebrew and PF on a case-by-case basis, as far as sourcing goes most everything's on the table, but Fey, Dragons, and such are different/hiding because of the setting. I was thinking of bumping up Magic-Blooded to be fully LA+1, but wasn't quite sure what would be good to add to that, especially since I'd have the potential to tailor something for each of them before passing it on to the DM for approval. I figure some kind of bonus to their effective level for bardic knowledge/knack would be a good minor bonus for the template, maybe something along the lines of the 2 level half-fey savage progression's first level SLA progression for giving them more bard spells per day via SLA or more versatility, and/or maybe giving melodic casting or something like it as a freebie could be pursued.
tl;dr: Any good LA+1 templates for a bard or templates that would be a good basis for tweaking into a template for a bard? If so, any recommended tweaks?
They're both almost completely new to D&D though, so I figure that since I'm taking advantage of the free LA+1 on my character I should at least try to point them towards something that'll be good for them, especially after I pointed the (melee) Rogue towards the LA+1 Dark Template. I'd recommend an LA+1 race(or even combining the LA+0 Feytouched with the 1 level Savage Progression for Feytouched>Half-Fey as an LA+1, since having them on a slightly higher footing to start wouldn't be terrible and so there'd at least be some chance the DM'd approve it), but right now they're both fairly set upon humans, uless I could find a bard-friendly Unicorn(My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic) race and get it approved for the setting, probably as some kind of planar castaway/freak accident/mage's experiment.
The one bard seems like he doesn't really want to do anything in combat besides play music, he didn't particularly like the idea of using a ranged weapon or mixing music and melee, and he wasn't particularly interested in casting spells while playing music either. So I've been having a bit of trouble advising him, especially because he's playing an instrument-based bard which always frustrate me as to what they're supposed to be doing in combat unless they just stop playing after the initial round they activate their bardic music. His ears seemed to perk up when I mentioned things like Doomspeak(sadly shot down by the DM who decided that since it used a use of bardic music it couldn't be used while bardic music was in use) which would potentially be usable while he was playing and Haunting Melody which definitely be usable while he was using bardic music, so I pointed him towards Inspire Awe, and I believe the Mantle Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33551) is going to be going for Intimidate-locking so there's some synergy there, especially before he gets Imperious Command and Never Outnumbered. I think he might be the one more interested in going Bardic Knack if two bards with full bardic knowledge would be too much overlap?
The other bard's player doesn't seem to really want to have her character do much in the way of the Face role or fight in combat as a ranged or melee combatant. She's firm that she wants to play a support role, and she's been directed towards how to optimize inspire courage, though no DFI, for better or worse. She'll probably be some variant of Exalted and taking words of creation though, so there's that. Other than optimizing IC, I'm not sure what to point her towards, though she wants to focus on support and using illusions as a caster, so I figure the "standard" Bard>Virtuoso>Sublime Chord>More Virtuouso is probably where she'll end up, though I'm not sure what to recommend she do for the first few levels when she doesn't really have the spells per day to use in fights(maybe some SLAs from a template would help there).
I've already pointed both of them towards the various bard handbooks out there and have tried with mixed success to talk to them about what they want their characters to do, though I don't think either one is all that comfortable with me yet, since I'm pretty new to them, plus they're pretty new to learning the game.
We're playing 3.5 with things adopted in from Homebrew and PF on a case-by-case basis, as far as sourcing goes most everything's on the table, but Fey, Dragons, and such are different/hiding because of the setting. I was thinking of bumping up Magic-Blooded to be fully LA+1, but wasn't quite sure what would be good to add to that, especially since I'd have the potential to tailor something for each of them before passing it on to the DM for approval. I figure some kind of bonus to their effective level for bardic knowledge/knack would be a good minor bonus for the template, maybe something along the lines of the 2 level half-fey savage progression's first level SLA progression for giving them more bard spells per day via SLA or more versatility, and/or maybe giving melodic casting or something like it as a freebie could be pursued.
tl;dr: Any good LA+1 templates for a bard or templates that would be a good basis for tweaking into a template for a bard? If so, any recommended tweaks?