[PF] Treant Skills Don't Add Up

[walrusoverlord]

Trying to add up the skill points a Treant has in Pathfinder.

Diplomacy 9: 8 ranks 1 cha
Intimidate 9: 8 ranks 1 cha
Knowledge (Nature) 9: 8 ranks 1 int
Perception 12: 2 alertness 4 ranks 3 wis 3 class
Sense Motive 9: 2 alertness 4 ranks 3 wis
Stealth -9 (7 forests): -8 size -1 dex (+16 forests race)

Adds up to 29, when the Treant should have 36 skill points (2+INT per HD for 12HD). Perception and Stealth are both class skills for plants, and the Treant has Alertness (+2 Perception and Sense Motive). The bolded numbers are the listed skills as from Bestiary 1.

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[Grollub]

if you went thru alot of monsters , i think you'd find points off

[NamelessNPC]

That's 32, not 29. Maybe stealth is supposed to have 4 ranks?

[CyberThread]

pish, wow. An folks say Pathfinder was better then 3.5, you would never see WOTC make the same mistake for monster stats.

[Psyren]

pish, wow. An folks say Pathfinder was better then 3.5, you would never see WOTC make the same mistake for monster stats.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4074/4814014643_b2e1da67c5_z.jpg

:smallwink::smalltongue:

[CTrees]

I like adding class levels to monsters. You end up with fun, interesting encounters. So I've gone through recalculating skills on a lot of the intelligent monsters. Short version: this isn't the only oddity or "there must be a racial bonus they didn't mention" or what have you.

[Keneth]

As a DM who makes changes to just about every single monster or NPC I put in my games, I can guarantee you that such little mistakes are everywhere.

The reason for the discrepancy is that Alertness was not factored into the stat block.

A treant has the following skill ranks:

Diplomacy: 8 ranks
Intimidate: 8 ranks
Knowledge (nature): 8 ranks
Perception: 6 ranks
Sense Motive: 6 ranks

There are also much larger mistakes in other stat blocks, especially ones directly converted from previous editions or copied and "fixed" in newer books.