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Splendor
2013-10-22, 05:21 PM
Hello,

First off we are only playing with pathfinder rules/sources. No 3.5 or 3rd party sources.

Is there a spell in pathfinder that will make stone/metal transparent? Or a material that has a hardness and is transparent?

I'm looking to make windows that don't break easily. I found the hardness spell (Pathfinder Chronicles - Campaign Setting pg 207) but I am not high enough level to cast it. Any ideas?

--Thanks.

Quiddle
2013-10-22, 08:21 PM
Just wondering, what do you need the windows for?

olentu
2013-10-22, 08:25 PM
Invisibility. I assume that you can still cast permanency on it for objects as you could in 3.5.

Quiddle
2013-10-22, 08:29 PM
^^I like it, I was thinking about using permanent image to get an image of a wall giving you a one way window.

avr
2013-10-22, 09:24 PM
If you could stretch your no 3rd party product rule far enough to allow some material from dreamscarred press, there's crystal (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/equipment/psionic-items/psionic-special-materials) with similar properties to steel there.

Or invisibility + permanency of course, but if you're not high enough level to cast hardening this probably isn't possible for you.

Quiddle
2013-10-22, 09:26 PM
I think they have non psionic crystal on the srd?

avr
2013-10-22, 09:30 PM
Just Blood Crystal, which is pale pink and so not suitable for windows unless you're OK looking at the world thru rose-tinted glasses :smallbiggrin:

Quiddle
2013-10-22, 09:33 PM
what about Crystalline (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/special-materials#TOC-Crystalline)?

avr
2013-10-22, 09:35 PM
Rite Publishing, definitely 3rd party.

Quiddle
2013-10-22, 09:36 PM
oops, my mistake....

Splendor
2013-10-22, 11:03 PM
My character's house has a greenhouse attached to the house. I was trying to reinforce it so no enemies just smash my greenhouse to get into my house.

1) Permanent Image - it is static while you are not concentrating, but the DM may just allows it to be a static illusion of what would normally be seen on the otherside. However it wouldn't create any actual light in the room so my greenhouse wouldn't actually grow anything.

2) Permanent Invisibility. Invisibility only covers 100lbs/caster level. If I cover the greenhouse in steel that was only .25" thick; a 5'x5' square would weigh 250lbs. I would need 35 of those to cover my greenhouse. (35*250)/100=87.5 caster level. So if I was 10th level it would take 9 castings of the spell and permanency only affects 1 spell.

3) Hardening spell affects 10 cubic feet per level. Which would cover the whole greenhouse and give the glass a hardness of 7 (12th lv caster).

4) Magically Treated Walls (core rulebook pg411) double hardness & Hp of a wall but costs 1500 gp per 10' x 10' section.

I think I'll see about buying a Hardening Scroll (didn't notice it was cubic feet in the target). Which will cost 1650gp. That would give each 5'x5'x6" glass pane a hardness of 7 and 6hp. Which makes it about the same as 4" thick wooden wall.
I guess if I really wanted too I could then magically treat (#4) the whole thing for 13,125gp (which costs nearly double my house's original cost). That would give each section a hardness of 14 and 12hp. That would make it about as tough as 1' thick stone wall.

Quiddle
2013-10-22, 11:16 PM
If it matters that much to you that you are willing to spend good chunks or ur wbl get some constructs to attack ppl who break in.

Bhaakon
2013-10-22, 11:25 PM
There's a substance called voidglass in "The Dragon's Demand," a Paizo module. So it's first party, but not on the SRD (and I doubt you want to buy the module for a two paragraph blurb). For your purposes, it's basically transparent steel. It has some other properties when used as a weapon, but I'm not going to post them since I'm not sure it's OGL.

Splendor
2013-10-28, 06:36 PM
Thanks for the void glass mention but voidglass is 100gp per pound.

A glass 5'x5' window 1/4" thick weighs 75lbs. If the weight is the same as glass that single window would cost 7500gp. The price of my house is only 7100gp.

Psyren
2013-10-28, 06:59 PM
So your biggest problem is that you're 400gp short? Can't your DM cut you some slack?

Fiery Diamond
2013-10-28, 07:09 PM
So your biggest problem is that you're 400gp short? Can't your DM cut you some slack?

Uh, no, that's not what Splendor is saying. He's saying that the it costs more than the rest of the house's original cost to create just one of the several dozen windows using voidglass.