Katana Monk Favored Weapon...

[visigani]

Also, is the exalted feat the only one that grants a wisdom bonus to attack rolls?

[Psyren]

Was there a question about the katana?


Also, is the exalted feat the only one that grants a wisdom bonus to attack rolls?

To melee attack rolls, yes. Zen Archery gets it to ranged.

You can also dip paladin and take Serenity - this will cause your smites to add Wis to the attack roll.

PF has Guided Hand, (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/-guided-hand) which characters of all alignments can take.

[Malak'ai]

Also, is the exalted feat the only one that grants a wisdom bonus to attack rolls?

How are "Katanas", "Monks favoured weapons" and an Exalted Feat related?

If you wouldn't mind, could you post the whole question so that we can at least give you an answer that might help, like the way Psyren did about the "Wis to Attack" portion.

[Lord_Gareth]

IIRC it's also a [General] feat, not an [Exalted] o ne.

[Karnith]

IIRC it's also a [General] feat, not an [Exalted] o ne.
If we're talking about Intuitive Attack, it's an Exalted feat, not a general feat.
Also, it wouldn't work on a katana/bastard sword anyway.
For some reason.

[Nerd-o-rama]

If you're asking how to get bastard swords as a Special Monk Weapon (useable with Flurry, etc.) I don't think there is one. There is a feat called Whirling Steel Strike in the Eberron Campaign Setting, associated with a particular monastic order, to get longswords as one. If you're alright with a jian instead of a katana (it fits the kung fu feeling better anyway), that'd be what you're looking for.

[Fax Celestis]

Unorthodox Flurry should be able to do it, but it requires a light weapon. I guess you could Feycraft your katana, take EWP: Bastard Sword to wield it one-handed, and then take Unorthodox Flurry (Feycraft Katana) to be able to treat it as a monk weapon.

[Ruethgar]

Dragon has variants that add the short sword as a special monk weapon, and Mongoose Publishing has a backgrund archetype that lets you pick one weapon as your only usable monk weapon(you can never gain any other proficiency).

Search for the X stat to Y bonus thread, I think there may have been one or two ways to get wisdom to attack.

[Psyren]

3.5: Shou Disciple can flurry with martial weapons, so if you're okay 2-handing your Katana you can do that.

PF: Katanas are not monk weapons normally, but you have several options here. Here's a few:

1) You can use a similar weapon (e.g. Temple Sword or 9-ring Broadsword);
2) You can dip cleric, worship a deity whose favored weapon is the katana and then take Crusader's Flurry.
3) You can find, buy or craft a Blade of the Sword Saint. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/specific-magic-weapons/blade-of-the-sword-saint)

[CyberThread]

what about the old ki focused weapon enhancement ?

[Curmudgeon]

Historically, this is all wrong. The monastic martial arts disciplines came about because they were forbidden (under pain of immediate death) to ever even touch any of the martial weapons. Shaolin Monks brought Zen teachings from China to Okinawa, where using any sort of weapon (anything other than farm implements and walking sticks) meant you were a threat to the Samurai class and were killed on the spot. The basic reason Shotokan karate is such a "hard" discipline is that its adherents were expected to, with a single punch, penetrate the lacquered Samurai armor and retain enough force to stop the Samurai's heart — because their entire window of opportunity to stay alive was during the katana swing that was intended to kill them.

Monks never learned to use a katana; they only learned to kill those who used the katana. A katana wouldn't ever be a special Monk weapon.

[CyberThread]

ya know what, screw that.


Just go to warblade and pretend your a monk.

[Malak'ai]

Historically, this is all wrong. The monastic martial arts disciplines came about because they were forbidden (under pain of immediate death) to ever even touch any of the martial weapons. Shaolin Monks brought Zen teachings from China to Okinawa, where using any sort of weapon (anything other than farm implements and walking sticks) meant you were a threat to the Samurai class and were killed on the spot. The basic reason Shotokan karate is such a "hard" discipline is that its adherents were expected to, with a single punch, penetrate the lacquered Samurai armor and retain enough force to stop the Samurai's heart — because their entire window of opportunity to stay alive was during the katana swing that was intended to kill them.

Monks never learned to use a katana; they only learned to kill those who used the katana. A katana wouldn't ever be a special Monk weapon.

So once again, Monk's can't have nice things... :smalltongue::smalltongue:.

[Fax Celestis]

Historically, this is all wrong. The monastic martial arts disciplines came about because they were forbidden (under pain of immediate death) to ever even touch any of the martial weapons. Shaolin Monks brought Zen teachings from China to Okinawa, where using any sort of weapon (anything other than farm implements and walking sticks) meant you were a threat to the Samurai class and were killed on the spot. The basic reason Shotokan karate is such a "hard" discipline is that its adherents were expected to, with a single punch, penetrate the lacquered Samurai armor and retain enough force to stop the Samurai's heart — because their entire window of opportunity to stay alive was during the katana swing that was intended to kill them.

Monks never learned to use a katana; they only learned to kill those who used the katana. A katana wouldn't ever be a special Monk weapon.
So our reality and history should be used to dictate the reality and history of a fantastic world?

[Dienekes]

Historically, this is all wrong. The monastic martial arts disciplines came about because they were forbidden (under pain of immediate death) to ever even touch any of the martial weapons. Shaolin Monks brought Zen teachings from China to Okinawa, where using any sort of weapon (anything other than farm implements and walking sticks) meant you were a threat to the Samurai class and were killed on the spot. The basic reason Shotokan karate is such a "hard" discipline is that its adherents were expected to, with a single punch, penetrate the lacquered Samurai armor and retain enough force to stop the Samurai's heart — because their entire window of opportunity to stay alive was during the katana swing that was intended to kill them.

Monks never learned to use a katana; they only learned to kill those who used the katana. A katana wouldn't ever be a special Monk weapon.

Some of this post seems suspect to me, especially since Shotokan karate wasn't developed until the 1930, when even though Japan can be almost fantastically conservative, they were definitely not using lacquered armor anymore. Also, I would love to see a demonstration of anyone punching through armor.

[Captnq]

If you took the time to Google, you would have found
The Weapon Handbook (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=9053.msg183871#msg183871).

Given how I do not even understand if there is a question, why don't you just get the handbook, read it, drool over the many many many possibilities of a Monk with a Necklace of Natural Weaponry, Bracers of Striking, and a pair of Ward Cestus. Check out the complete list of Monk only weapons. Squint at the potential found in the Extrapolated Weapon Special Abilities section.

Oh, and read about what happens if you use the 3.0 WSA Flying on a monk. It's a Hoot.

[Curmudgeon]

Some of this post seems suspect to me, especially since Shotokan karate wasn't developed until the 1930, when even though Japan can be almost fantastically conservative, they were definitely not using lacquered armor anymore.
Shotokan is the Okinawan synthesis of Shōrin-ryū (Shaolin style) and Shōrei-ryū (Shoreiji style), both Chinese temple martial art styles brought over by Monks from China to Okinawa by the 15th Century. Shōrei-ryū was refined in Naha as Naha-te and was considered best for bigger, stronger men; Shōrin-ryū was refined in Shuri as Shuri-te and was considered best for smaller, faster men. Sho Shin (King of Okinawa) banned weapon possession in the late 1400s, beginning centuries of development of weaponless martial arts styles and techniques. The Japanese conquered Okinawa in 1609, and added a prohibition against all martial arts to the weapons ban; consequently, Okinawan martial arts became secret practices, and much of the details of specific style developments were not documented. But because the Samurai would carry out an immediate death sentence upon any martial transgressors, much of what became Okinawan karate was focused on combating the katana-wielding Samurai. (I condensed things considerably in an attempt at getting the point across.)

[Psyren]

While I agree with Curmudgeon that making katanas or other samurai weapons be base monk weapons doesn't make much sense, there's no reason for someone to not have developed that specific style/technique over time, just as the Shou Disciples did in FR. This level of additional training is easily represented via a feat or feat chain.

[visigani]

I just really like the idea of a wisdom based katana fighter that wears no armor and gets a ton of attacks.

I fully intend to wield the Katana two handed.

Unfortunately intuitive attack only works with simple weapons *rage* and Diamond Mind's only simple weapon is the short-spear.

And that's not thrilling me.

[Flickerdart]

Shiba Protector is a good 1-level dip for Wisdom-based swordy types - +WIS to attack and damage is a shiny class feature indeed.

[Psyren]

Shiba Protector however is not a monk PrC, so if you go into it you can't take any more monk levels.

[CyberThread]

Shiba is a really nice class overall for a 2nd line fighter


Dancing with the Elements (Ex): Beginning at 3rd level, a
Shiba protector gains a bonus on all saving throws against
spells and spell-like effects. This bonus is +2 at 3rd level, +4 at
5th level, and +6 at 7th level.

One with all or nothing is lovely to help make you not mad at times.

The aid spellcaster function is okay for some time periods.

Haste SLA

SR late in the build, which is good, for a front liner, not needing as much.


The sad thing is though it only gets average BAB , and d10 and has almost no offensive capabilities.