Pokémon Thread XVII: I get by with a little help from my Friend (Safari)

[Mando Knight]

Lend me your time and I'll post you a thread, and I'll try to fill your Safari...
No, seriously. Check the 3DS Friend Codes below! Eye-catching snappy picture pending.



Pokémon Thread XVII: I get by with a little help from my Friend (Safari)

IMPORTANT: Remember to update your copy of X/Y to v1.1, as explained here (http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1061).

These are friend codes (May be out of date/incomplete: If they are, post your new codes now and I'll fix them). For your friends. If you're not on here? It means you're not friendly. Or that for whatever reason your codes didn't get put here. If you're not here, just mention it whenever you can. Additions in the thread will be added to the end of the respective list, and then will (if I remember) be re-alphabetized after a "reasonable time period." (Probably 1/week or 1-2/month, depending on how fast the thread goes)

Friend codes, for the uninitiated, are how you connect with other players. The DS (and thus Gen IV & V games) uses a different Friend Code for each game you have, while the 3DS uses one Friend Code for the system.

DS FRIEND CODES:
{table=head]Name|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum|HeartGold|SoulSilver|B lack|White|Black 2|White 2
Aotrs|X|X|X|X|X|1549-4381-0381|X|X|X
AtlanteanTroll|X|X|1505-6983-3009|X|1291-5054-9504|X|3911-6794-1526|X|X
B-Man|X|X|X|X|5371-4488-1062|X|X|X|X
breakdownjason|X|X|X|X|X|1291-9831-7735|X|X|X
bue52|X|X|0088-3371-2579|0689-7808-4229|X|X|X|X|X
CoffeeIncluded|X|X|X|X|X|X|0389-8063-2889|X|X
Crimson Angel|X|X|X|X|X|2494-4300-9144|X|X|X
Derjuin|X|X|X|X|X|4470-1730-8020|X|X|X
Deth Muncher|X|X|1162-2087-3138|X|X|X|X|X|X
Deuxhero|X|X|X|X|3481-6327-5325|X|4727-7229-9821|X|X
Drascin|X|X|X|X|X|3525-1309-6530|X|X|X
FantasyFoxMan|X|X|X|1677-9053-6018|X|X|1377-6516-2321|X|X
Freako|X|X|1333-4517-6347|X|2966-0800-3851|X|X|X|X
Geno9999|X|5328-7909-7435|X|X|1892-8459-0727|Owned|X|X|X
goldfly|X|X|X|0174-5615-7997|X|4728-4502-3697|3009-8301-5885|3912-5708-8983|X
Gulaghar|X|4471-1118-7762|X|X|2065-5870-1618|0820-3896-4898|X|0820-3896-9454|X
Jimp|X|X|X|X|2407-7659-7056|X|X|X|X
Kobold Bard|X|X|X|4168-8792-1683|X|X|X|X|X
Legoshrimp|2923-1445-3340|X|X|X|1849-3954-2553|X|X|X|X
Linkavitch|X|X|X|5027-8564-5267|X|X|X|X|X
Lizard Lord|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|0992-0748-7847|X
Mando Knight|Owned|Owned|X|1806-4645-4773|X|X|1850-1765-8454|4513-8367-5916|X
Mattarias, King.|X|X|X|3524-4231-3529|X|X|4770-6741-0740|X|X
Mindfreak|X|X|X|X|X|Owned|X|4943-3506-7435|X
OracleofWuffing|X|X|X|X|X|4684-8355-8999|X|X|X
oxybe|X|X|X|4684-4678-9165|X|X|1162-9092-9501|X|X
PhantomFox|X|X|4213-3737-8347|X|X|X|X|X|X
Qwertystop|X|X|2450-2269-2301|4770-4806-9656|X|X|X|X|X
Rising Phoenix|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|4084-3527-0188|X
Ryzouken|X|X|3782-2115-8275|X|X|4512-9802-0628|X|X|X
ShinyRocks|X|X|X|X|X|2064-8383-8632|X|X|X
SparkMandriller|2277-4598-3685|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X
Terry576|0174-5674-2515|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X
tgva8889|X|X|3438-0598-0009|X|3052-0635-4414|X|3353-3706-1386|X|X
The-Mage-King|5369-7209-0920|X|X|X|X|X|4169-5014-1806|X|X
Thormag|X|X|2065-8881-0711|X|X|1764-5885-4832|X|X|5115-3060-5236
Togath|X|X|1894-0753-2924|X|X|X|1679-3304-3870|X|X
Turalisj|X|X|X|X|X|4684-8033-0061|X|X|X
[/table]
3DS Friend codes:
You can only have 100 Friend Codes registered at a time.

To use the Friend Safari, you need to have defeated the Elite Four, and both you and your friend must have added each other. For more details, see here (http://serebii.net/xy/friendsafari.shtml).
{table=head]GitP Name|Code|Character Name|3DS (Mii) Name|Safari Type|Pokémon 1|Pokémon 2|Pokémon 3
Aotrs|5172-0494-3728||Bleakbane|Normal|Lillipup|Kecleon|
Arcran|2294-3882-2896||Arcran|Water|Octillery|Wartortle|Azumarill
AstralFire (Full)|0834-1672-7022|Adorabelle|Cinder|Bug|Ledyba|Volbeat|Venomoth
Atlantean Troll|4055-3788-4115||Fresca|Normal|Lillipup|Loudred|
boj0|1693-1768-6943|boj0|boj0|Fairy|Swirlix|Togepi|Floette
Burley|1547-6257-5822||||||
Burnerpower|0645-6906-6047|Chase|Burner|Fire|Pansear|Pyroar|Braixen
Cynan Machae|2964-9109-7883||Cynan|Pancham|Hariyama|Mienfoo|Pancham
D Man 7733|0104-0178-9108||Dennis|Psychic|Duosion|Espurr|Munna
Dark Tira|4012-4193-6629|Flair|Dark Tira|Grass|Ivysaur|Sunkern|Quilladin
Derjuin|2063-0607-0374|Gwen| |Flying|Tropius|Doduo|Tranquill
Diego Havoc|5343-7951-5809|Diana|Diego|Ghost|Lampent|Phantump|Spiritomb
Dihan|3909-7507-9532|Cai|Bryn|Fairy|Kirlia|Mawile|Floette
Drakenkin|1220-6369-1867||RC|Steel|Forretress|Magneton|Klefki
Elhann|4656-7012-2957|Afo|Afo|Normal|Lillipup|Loudred|Ditto
Emperor Ing|1134-7922-2243|Rand|EmpI|Ground|Phanpy|Dugtrio|Palpitoad
FallenGeek|2938-7158-7152||UberGeek|Fairy|Dedenne|Mawile|Floette
Foolish Teeth|2965-0036-6655|Jerome|80s|Flying|Farfetch'd|Woobat|Rufflet
Gengy|1762-3248-0955|Genaur|(Redacted)|Dark|Pawniard|Crawdaunt|Lie pard
geonova|3625-8744-4346|Geo|Geo|Water|Wartortle|Panpour|Poliwhirl
Gift Jeraff|0662-3715-4355||Venkman|Fighting|Mankey|Throh|Hariyama
Goldfly|1203-9717-6298|Gold|Gold|Electric|Pikachu|Electrode|Luxio
Gulaghar|4012-3882-1934|Nadia|Ghar|Fairy|Dedenne|Mawile|Floette
Harnel|5472-7302-7698|Halae|Halae|Water|Krabby|Gyarados|Frogadier
Infernally Clay|1891-1230-7244|Alice|Winny|Psychic|Sigilyph|Grumpig|Duosion
Keris (Full)|2423-2600-9179|Tarn|Tarn|Water|Bibarel|Floatzel|Frogadier
Kurgan|1478-3987-4689|Kurhanik|Kurgan|Steel|Magneton|Forretress|Kle fki
Lawless III|5129-1568-6363|Gorgeous|Andrew|Flying|Farfetch'd|Woobat|Flet chinder
Lord Fullbladder|5343-8973-8240||SheG|Normal|Aipom|Minccino|Ditto
Mattarias, King|5343-8171-8375|Mattarias|Mattarias|Water|Bibarel|Floatzel|Fr ogadier
MeatShield#236|1950-7553-3565|Thomas|Meatshield|Bug|Combee|Beautifly|
Mercenary Pen|4227-2044-9144||MercenPen|Flying|Pidgey|Tranquill|Hawlucha
Mtg_player_zach|1590-5500-0148|Zach|Zach|Electric|Pikachu|Dedenne|Luxio
noparlpf|0705-3326-2027|Jude|Jude|Flying|Spearow|Woobat|Rufflet
Oracle of Wuffing|2234-7142-0224||T-Dawg|Dragon|Dragonair|Gabite|Sligoo
Othesmo|0533-5350-5769||Gaius|Electric|Emolga|Electabuzz|Manectric
Partof1|4313-0044-7312|Magnus|Tom|Bug|Ledyba|Beautifly|Vivillon
Perkinz|1993-7396-5551||Armads|Fighting|Pancham|Mienfoo|Riolu
Prophet Ripley|3437-3875-9174|Artemis|Carebear|Water|Bibarel|Gyarados|
Psychotic|2836-0282-0242|Jimmy|Jimmy|Steel|Forretress|Mawile|Klefki
Qwertystop|1805-2284-9978||Qwerty|Dark|Mightyena|Crawdaunt|
Rezkeshdadesh|0104-0343-1530|Gaston|Rezzy|Psychic|Espurr|Grumpig|Girafarig
Rising Phoenix|2492-5555-9928|Mortimer|Dimi|Psychic|Sigilyph|Abra|Xatu
Ryuho Tsugu|3823-9797-6825|Periphas|εχθρός|Fire|Growlithe|Charmeleon|Fle tchinder
SaintRidley|1650-2179-8114|AElfgif/Doña Ximena|Colbert Jr|Ice|Beartic|Snover|
Sajiri|0748-2783-1667|Lily|Sajiri|Psychic|Abra|Espurr|Xatu
Seerow|4184-2537-0787||Jack|Psychic|Grumpig|Gothorita|Sigilyph
ShinyRocks|2294-4502-1203||Joelio|Ice|Snover|Beartic|
SKarious|2449-5207-9736||Shai|Poison|Kakuna|Ariados|Drapion
spectralphoenix|1864-9713-0312| |Alex|Normal|Teddiursa|Minccino|Smeargle
Talvereaux|2406-5576-5996| | |Poison|Seviper|Ariados|Toxicroak
TamerBill|4828-4410-2451|Bex|||| |
Terazul|3411-1167-8365|Pen|Pen|Water|Frogadier|Wartortle|Bibarel
ThelazyMage|2938-7262-8516|Eric|Eric|Dark|Nuzleaf|Sandile|Absol
ThePhantom|2680-8881-4704| | | | | |
Thormag|0619-3578-2378||Thormag|Grass|Oddish|Petilil|Quilladin
Togath|1650-2364-0504|Merry|Ken|Flying|Pidgey|Tranquill|
Tono|1478-3812-1377||Tono|Bug|Butterfree|Heracross|Masquerain
truenekomancer|0619-4369-0275||TSK|Bug|Butterfree|Illumise|
Tylorious|3668-7804-7430|Tylor|Tylor|Fire|Charmeleon|Magmar|Braixen
urbanwolf|4425-1730-5201||King|Fighting|Pancham|Mankey|Tyrogue
userpay|2036-6900-9795||userpay|Fairy|Togepi|Spritzee|
Winterfate|1246-9091-8502| |Winterfate|Ice|Snorunt|Bergmite|Cloyster
Yuki Akuma|1633-4400-9136|Yuki|Will|Ghost|Shuppet|Phantump|
ZamielVanWeber|3067-5161-6274| |Zamiel|Electric|Electabuzz|Pachirisu|Galvantula
ZeltArruin|3840-5756-8123||ZeltArruin|Rock|Corsola|Dwebble|Rhydon
bluewind95|0473-9066-8078|Raziel
Happy Gravity|2208-5735-4223|Eileen
Freudianship|0791-1490-0816|||Ice
ChaosArchon|4742-5730-4052
Ping Pong Along|4914-4022-6171|Pierre||Psychic|Wobbuffet|Gothorita|Abra
Peelee|5370-1262-5440|Peelee|Peelee|Flying|Pidgey|Tranquill|Rufflet
Peelee's Wife|4339-2708-2563|Sephrenea|Sephrenea|Ice|Delibird|Sneasel|Lapr as
The Succubus|4613-7683-1174||Doc
TheGeckoKing|4098-2424-2486|Martin[/table]

Related to the friend codes is the IRC. Use this channel when you want to trade with other people.

irc.quakenet.org/#pkmtrade


Looking for an impossible Pokémon? Can't or won't spend hours hunting for one with perfect stats, but want one anyway? These guys can help! ...In Gen V. (But not XY... yet, at least)
Kobold-Bard
ryzouken
Hunter Noventa
Qwertystop
OracleofWuffing


The Last Thread: The Mega Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308512)

Helpful Links/Hints For Adventuring Ten Year Olds

Bulbapedia (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/)
Smogon (http://www.smogon.com/)
Metalkid's IV Calculator (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx)
Serebii (http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml)
Useful NPCs in XY (http://serebii.net/xy/useful.shtml) (on Serebii)
Pokémon Online (http://www.pokemon-online.eu/) (for battles over the internets when you don't want to bother training things by hand)


So, you're tired of navigating a Pokemon thread where everyone uses fancy words and stuff? Well no worries! Here's a guide on... BREEDING FOR DUMMIES!

One of the first things to remember in breeding is that there are Natures that help and ones that hinder. For instance, a Special Attacker such as Mewtwo would be hindered by an Adamant nature, but helped in his stat growth by a Modest nature. To improve your chances for getting a particular Nature in a child Pokémon, use at least one parent with the Nature you want, and give it the Everstone. In Gen IV, the Everstone doesn't guarantee the inherited Nature, though it does in Gen V and VI.

Brilliant Spreadsheet for Growth (http://pokemon.marriland.com/statcalc_dp.php).

Some IVs (don't know what an IV is? Check the next spoiler box!) are randomly inherited from the parents. You can lock in a maximum of one IV by giving a parent the corresponding Power training item (Power Bracer for Attack, Power Lens for Special Attack, and so forth), or (starting with XY) randomly inherit 5 (instead of the normal 3) by holding the Destiny Knot. Use Flat Battles to determine the IVs of a hatched Pokémon, or if you only care about the highest IV and the sum of all of its IVs, you can take it to a guy who's in the lobby of either the Battle Tower or the Battle Subway in the DS games, depending on the generation, and in the Kiloude City Pokémon Center in XY. You're looking for them to judge it Relatively Superior overall and Can't Be Better in its best stat. The XY judge will also tell you about any really bad IVs the Pokémon has.

The third main thing with breeding is Egg Moves. Egg moves are moves the parent has, and passes down to a child. For instance, in my breeding of Chimchar, the egg moves are Grass Knot and Swords Dance, which are passed down to the child who gets said moves from the start. In order to pass on most Egg Moves, the father must know the move (Genderless Pokémon never learn Egg Moves). These include all of the moves that are listed as the child Pokémon's Egg Moves in a move list chart, as well as any compatible TMs or HMs. You can also pass on moves that the child would learn by level-up that aren't in those two lists--for these, both parents must know the move. In XY, some moves can be inherited from the mother...

The fourth and final thing to keep in mind are Hidden Abilities. Starting in Generation V, most Pokémon were assigned an additional ability that they could only get if you caught them under certain circumstances (the special Darmanitan in Desert Resort, or Pokémon found in hidden grottoes, the Dream World, or some in Friend Safaris). Some Hidden Abilities are highly sought-after, like Dragonite's Multiscale. If the mother has the Hidden Ability, the children will inherit it. The father can occasionally pass down the Hidden Ability if bred with a Ditto.


Dr. Strangemon or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Min-Max
Don't feel the need to bother with this stuff unless you're playing against humans or at one of those "Battle Whatever" places. You shouldn't need it for most of the game, and it can be kind of a pain.

First, the equations. These are how the game calculates the Pokémon's final stats.
HP = (IV + 2*Base + EV/4) * Level/100 + 10
Others = ((IV + 2*Base + EV/4) * Level/100 + 5) * Nature
So, at level 100, 1 IV or 4 EV raises a Pokémon's stat by 1 while a 1 point difference in Base stat is worth 2.

Nature
Most natures raise one stat and lower another, while some don't change any stats. A raised stat has a multiplier of 1.1 (or +10%), a lowered stat has a multiplier of 0.9 (or -10%), and a neutral stat has a multiplier of 1.0.

Base Stats (Base)
With a new generation just out, there's a lot of talk about finding out about a Pokémon's base stats. What are these, some of you ask? Well, they're modifiers to stats that a Pokémon gains just by being that kind of Pokémon. A (normal) Tyranitar has a base Attack of 135, a Mewtwo has 154 base Special Attack, and so on. When a Pokémon's stats change as it Mega Evolves or changes Form, it does so by changing the set of base stats it looks at. Otherwise, these base stats can't be changed (hence the "base"). At level 100, a Pokémon gets twice its Base stat to its final stats.

Individual Values (IV)
In addition to base stats, every Pokémon gets a bonus of 0-31 points applied to each stat. So a level 100 Tyranitar could have an attack stat of 273, or it could have a attack of 304. That bonus is the IV.
A Pokémon has its IVs generated the moment you meet it, or accept its egg, and there's no way to change them. You're stuck with what you've got. However, you can influence them a little, if you're willing to breed. Bred Pokémon don't randomly generate all their IVs, they inherit up to 3 from their parents. In XY, giving a parent the Destiny Knot causes them to inherit five random IVs instead. There's a few other ways of influencing IVs in bred Pokémon, which are explained in the breeding section.
In addition, in XY, some Pokémon are guaranteed to have some "perfect" (31) IVs. Pokémon found in the Friend Safari will have two random perfect IVs, while Pokémon that can't breed will have 3.

Effort Values (EV)
Every time you win a fight, your Pokémon get experience, but that's not all they get. Every Pokémon also gives out effort points. For every 4 effort points in a particular stat, your Pokémon gains 1 point in it. So if that Tyranitar from earlier with 304 attack had 4 attack EVs, his actual attack would be 305. If he had 252 attack EVs, it'd be 367. Sounds handy, but there are limits. You can't have more than 255 points in a single stat, and you can't have more than 510 EVs in total.

You'll see a lot of Pokémon with 252 attack/special attack EVs, 252 speed, and 4 HP, but there are a lot of ways to configure them. Defensive Pokémon will obviously focus on different things, Pokémon which use both physical and special attacks will need to split EVs between them or possibly sacrifice speed, and so on.

It's a tremendous pain to work out what EVs your Pokémon has (if you weren't keeping track, anyway), so you'll likely want to start with a Pokémon that you freshly hatched and work from there, though you don't have to. There are 6 berries that reduce EVs in a single stat each, so you can use those to reset your Pokémon and start from scratch. After that, just keep a careful record of what you fight, and only take down Pokémon that you know give you the EVs you want.

EV training takes a while, but there are a few ways you can speed it up. The first is an astonishingly rare status condition called Pokérus. Any Pokémon with Pokérus gets double EVs from fights, and will spread the Pokérus to any Pokémon in your party for the first 72 hours after it catches it. After those 72 hours it stops being contagious, but still gets double EVs. Pokérus has something like 1/20000 chance to appear on wild Pokemon, but with the magic of the internet I'm sure you can obtain it.

The second way to speed up EV training is through Power Items. If a Pokémon is holding the right item, they get bonus EVs from every fight. For example, a Pokémon holding a Power Lens will get 4 special attack EVs. A Pokémon holding a Power Anklet will get 4 speed EVs. A Pokémon holding a Macho Brace will just get double the EVs of whatever they're fighting. These bonuses are doubled if you have Pokérus.

The third way to speed up EVs is through vitamins. Each vitamin given to a Pokémon gives them +10 EVs in a certain stat, up to a limit of 100. 1 protein gives 10 attack EVs, 10 give 100. These unfortunately aren't doubled by Pokérus or items, so you'll have to pay for the full amount. Luckily money is easy to come by in these games.

Just as an example, I'll show how I EV'd my Gengar.
First, I gave him 10 calcium, and 10 carbos, so 100 special attack and 100 speed already.
After that, I gave him Pokérus and a lucky egg, got him to meet a Floatzel (2 speed EVs, doubled to 4 because of Pokérus), and then sent out my Weezing to explode on it so Gengar could get all the experience, for a higher level and 100 special attack, 104 speed.
After that, I gave him a Power Lens, flew over to the Old Chateau, and killed 15 Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 from the lens, doubled to 10 from Pokérus) for 150 special attack EVs, bringing my total to 250 special attack, 104 speed.
After that I equipped a power anklet and killed one more Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 speed from the anklet, doubled to 2 and 8 from Pokérus), meaning Gengar had 252 attack, and 112 speed.
Leaving the anklet equipped, I flew to Route 201, and killed 14 Starly (1 speed from Starly, 4 from the anklet, meaning 10 speed per starly thanks to Pokérus), for a total of 252 attack, 252 speed.
All that was left after that was to kill a Bidoof with a Power Weight (1 HP from Bidoof, 4 from the Weight, 10 thanks to Pokerus, although I only gained 6 points because I hit the EV cap), leaving my Gengar with 252 special attack EVs, 252 Speed, and 4 HP, just how I wanted him.
Roughly an hour's work, and one Pokemon down.

In XY, there's an additional method of EV training, which doesn't involve beating up wild Pokémon, but you instead play minigames (called Super Training) with the Pokémon. This lets you choose which stat you'll train, and awards you 4 EVs per difficulty level (so +4 for level 1, +12 for level 3). In addition, you may gain special training bags that can make further Super Training easier, reset your EVs entirely, or other effects. The training system also displays your earned EVs graphically (but not numerically), making it somewhat easier to keep track of a Pokémon's EVs.
tl;dr: The simplified version of EVs/IVs - EVs are gained by fighting other Pokémon. They vary by the Pokémon defeated. They increase your stats for every 4 gained. IVs are inherent to a Pokémon. They increase stats for every point possessed, and range from 0 to 31. EVs have to be manually tracked or else removed entirely with certain berries. IVs can be checked by knowing the EVs of a Pokémon and then plugging its stats into an IV calculator. The higher the Pokémon's level, the more accurate; level 100 wifi battles provide maximum accuracy.

Now, you might ask, "Mando Knight, how do you get those accented e's?" On a PC, change your keyboard layout to US-International, and press 'e. For some versions of Windows, if you don't want the US-International keyboard on all the time, you can also have it switch between different registered keyboards with a press of Ctrl+Shift. You can also copy-paste them from someone else's posts. Or the thread title.

[Talvereaux]

Finished my first competitive team of Generation VI! Far from my best work, but I had fun.

In the words of Shaquille O'Neal to Aaron Carter, how about a little one on one, you want to play? FC is 2406 - 5576 - 5996. Feel free to message me the challenge so we don't prattle up the main thread.

[D_Man_7733]

I've never been too big in the competitive battling scene, but am interesting in trying to breed out the best pokemon I could (last gen it was an espeon), so I was wondering, how much of a big deal are IV's competitive-wise? Do you need max IV's in every stat or just a few of the key stats for that 'mon?

[AtlanteanTroll]

I've never been too big in the competitive battling scene, but am interesting in trying to breed out the best pokemon I could (last gen it was an espeon), so I was wondering, how much of a big deal are IV's competitive-wise? Do you need max IV's in every stat or just a few of the key stats for that 'mon?
Technically just the key stats. It is, however, a lot easier to get them in all the areas this gen, so ... Take what you will.

[D_Man_7733]

Technically just the key stats. It is, however, a lot easier to get them in all the areas this gen, so ... Take what you will.

Thanks, I guess I'll try for my ultimate Eevee then (Return, silk scarf, adaptability, all IV's max, EV trained for Attack & [still thinking about second stat])

[AtlanteanTroll]

Thanks, I guess I'll try for my ultimate Eevee then (Return, silk scarf, adaptability, all IV's max, EV trained for Attack & [still thinking about second stat])

I recommend you go for one of it's evolutions, and not Eevee itself...

[Emperor Ing]

Is it wrong that my first team competitive build is going to be Uber?

[D_Man_7733]

I recommend you go for one of it's evolutions, and not Eevee itself...

NEVER! The un-Eeveelution shall RULE! (that and Eevee is my favourite pokemon, so I'm going to make it as viable as possible to actually use to fight people)

[Gullara]

Thanks for the Shroomish, Zach! It's much appreciated.

[Arcran]

Gah, WiFi decided that it hates my DS. I have the Gastly and Goomy waiting, but I need my damn WiFi to start working. As soon as it is, I'll be ready to trade for those sweet, sweet Pokemon.

[Infernally Clay]

So now I have Protean Frogadiers to go with my Magician Braixens and Magic Guard Abras... At this rate I'll be getting more Hidden Ability Pokémon than standard ones. :smalltongue:

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Confusing thread numbering. Though I do dig the Beatles reference. Maybe next time we could shoot for a Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFsJk6PWu0) reference. I am so sorry

[Emperor Ing]

Maybe next time we could shoot for a Beach Boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFsJk6PWu0) reference. I am so sorry

No! No! No! No! No! No! NO!!! No! No! NO! NO!!! NOOO! No! NO! :furious:

*ahem*

I'd rather not see that, I personally don't find any appeal in their style.

[Mando Knight]

So, it was fun, fun, fun, 'til your daddy took the Zapdos away?

[NineThePuma]

wtf did i just watch.

[Derjuin]

Whoever had the idea for Super Training should be thrown many bones, and maybe a raise or three. It's so much more fun than traditional EV training (in my opinion, of course). Now, I only dread XP training...:smallsigh:

[Emperor Ing]

Speaking of XP training, who here has any good suggestions for XP training spots? I really don't like to think that Victory Road has the highest level wilds.

[Derjuin]

I've only added a few friends so far, but could the following do me a favor and add me as soon as they can:

Elhann, Lord Fullbladder, Sajiri, Userpay, and boj0

Your safaris have pokés I want D:

My code again is 2063-0607-0374 (it's in first post too), character name is Gwen.

[Dihan]

Could Dark Tira add me please, I'd quite like access to Ivysaur and Quilladin.

[Rising Phoenix]

Subbing.

Also why don't we organize a GiTP tournament?

[Kurgan]

Eh, suppose I'll throw down my friend code and such now, maybe my friend safari will be useful to someone. No clue whats in it yet.

Friend Code: 1478-3987-4689
Mii name: Kurgan
X name: Kurhanik

I suppose yell at me if I am missing something there.

[Elhann]

@Derjuin: Added. I'm going to be connected in the next few minutes, so if you want access to my dittos, make sure to do the same so our games can synchronize. Unless those pokemon you want are lilipups or loudreds, which would surprise me :D

Kurgan: Remember to add the codes of everyone else.

Also, currently breeding Larvestas :D

[Derjuin]

@Derjuin: Added. I'm going to be connected in the next few minutes, so if you want access to my dittos, make sure to do the same so our games can synchronize. Unless those pokemon you want are lilipups or loudreds, which would surprise me :D

Kurgan: Remember to add the codes of everyone else.

Also, currently breeding Larvestas :D

:O! Can you spare one? I dont really care abiout nature, IVs or anything else - I just want one to start my own chain. I uh...don't really have a lot to trade, unfortunately. I haven't been doing much Friend Safari-ing. :S

Also, I'm connected now. Hopefully. My internet is not always the best...

[Elhann]

Sure thing, I'll save you (And anyone who wants a larvesta) one female. The parents have good stats, and I hope Destiny knot works as I think it does :D so I guess it will be at least decent. No hidden ability, though

[Derjuin]

Sure thing, I'll save you (And anyone who wants a larvesta) one female. The parents have good stats, and I hope Destiny knot works as I think it does :D so I guess it will be at least decent. No hidden ability, though

Thanks! Good stats are a bonus, but I plan on breeding it, so hopefully I'll be able to get one with them eventually anyway.

[boj0]

Subbing.

Also why don't we organize a GiTP tournament?

I'd be up for one, I guess it would just down to format and rules.

[Elhann]

Oh, count me in for the tourney :D

[OracleofWuffing]

Speaking of XP training, who here has any good suggestions for XP training spots? I really don't like to think that Victory Road has the highest level wilds.
I believe general consensus is Restaurant Le Wow, sounds like people were doing Double Battles last thread, but I prefer Rotation Battles given the option. Don't forget your O-Powers.

[Seerow]

I believe general consensus is Restaurant Le Wow, sounds like people were doing Double Battles last thread, but I prefer Rotation Battles given the option. Don't forget your O-Powers.

Rotation battles are fun, the problem I ran into with them is the much higher turn count for a perfect run, so I'd have to do a lot more stalling to get the same amount of money back. Double battles just went much faster/easier.

[noparlpf]

Apparently all 3 of them show up there. I doubt it's required for completion because that would be just mean, requiring you to trade in legendaries from two other games to count as pokedex complete.

Anyway, I just finished catching my last pokemon line for Coastal. So now it's a matter of evolving/breeding all of the ones I have. Biggest pita is certain to be eevee (which I'll need to go catch a half dozen more of).

Well, I got Yveltal's data by swapping Xerneas back and forth with a friend. But that's in the main 150, so it makes more sense. I'm hoping we don't run into any problems when we finish up the main Coastal dex.
Probably faster to just breed the Eevees.


After... what, seven-and-a-half hours of searching, I finally got a Mild. With 30 SpA and 20-29 speed. Hit points are average to poor, and the other three are horrible (single digits horrible).

But I'm going to take it. Since SpA and Speed were most important, and a poor IV neutral attack is not much worse than a good IV negative attack. If it hadn't taken so long to get even this, I might not have settled, but frack it. It's one of maybe two candiates I've seen all day.

Well, you can always breed in hopes of better other IVs.


Training up a team for the Elite 4 now, mostly to give myself a chance to work with a team that's a bit lower level than the ones I ran through on (already close to 70, so getting a team that'll be high 50s when I emerge through Victory Road seemed like a good idea. Also, my main team was easily ripped apart by anything with electric attacks).

I really like Chesnaught. Excellent design right there.

I like Chespin but I don't like how it evolves. Here are some pre-release fanart (http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/noparlpf/076f4879ab4a458e6a6d8fcd0935f1af-theres-already-a-bunch-of-pokemon-x-y-fanart_zps0043f89d.jpg) concepts (http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/noparlpf/994b8c747a2fbab9000cc182c15dbfc8-theres-already-a-bunch-of-pokemon-x-y-fanart_zpsef107090.jpg) I like better. (Original links are missing, unfortunately; I saved the pictures from a site that didn't seem to have citations.) I'm content with Greninja, but I like both others here better.


NEVER! The un-Eeveelution shall RULE! (that and Eevee is my favourite pokemon, so I'm going to make it as viable as possible to actually use to fight people)

Definitely use Eviolite, then. You're still not going to get all that far with an unevolved Pokémon. Umbreon and Jolteon are the best (in my opinion, and I see Umbreon on competitive online a lot), Espeon's not bad (but I hate it for personal reasons), no idea how Sylveon stand up yet.


Speaking of XP training, who here has any good suggestions for XP training spots? I really don't like to think that Victory Road has the highest level wilds.

I've just been going west of Snowbelle and riding in circles in the red flower patch on my bike. Victory Road does have the highest-level wild Pokémon, I think. Otherwise, Restaurant Le Wow is your best bet. Exp O-Power helps, so use that as much as you can. If you do Rotation Battles, you only need one high-level Pokémon; just never rotate, so your weak babies never come out for damage.

[NineThePuma]

Subbing.

Also why don't we organize a GiTP tournament?


I'd be up for one, I guess it would just down to format and rules.

I'd love to help out with book keeping and stuff, but I can't actually participate.

[Aotrs Commander]

Thank four-asterix for the patch.

Because it was late last night, wasn't it?

And I saved in Lumiose City, right outside of that first cafe, without thinking, didn't I?


Well, you can always breed in hopes of better other IVs.

I could... but until I get some items enough to make it not so much of a crapshoot (i.e. destiny knot/everstone) - which are a fair bit later into the game, I'm guessing - I'm likely to end up taking nearly as long again...

Still, it's useful to remember I do have the option...

[Seerow]

Oh man Inkay's evolution.

That's just evil.

[Rising Phoenix]

I'd love to help out with book keeping and stuff, but I can't actually participate.

Does a smogon B2/W2 OU ruleset sound good with Xerneas and Yvettal as additional bans?

We may wish to discuss sleep cause and item clause of course.

[boj0]

Well we might have other considerations, like the weather nerf making Excadrill and Swift Swim+Drizzle available again

[Gullara]

Today I just IV bred my first pokemon ever!

Adamant Snorlax. Bred Curse onto him, and I'll probably slap Return, Crunch, and Earthquake onto him. 31 IVs in HP, Attack, Defense, and Special Defense. No idea how good the other two stats are, but they're not all that important.

Now for EVs. Not 100% sure what EVs I'll give him...

[noparlpf]

Oh man Inkay's evolution.

That's just evil.

The procedure? Yeah, a bit.


RE: Tournament: Why not just do it on Showdown?

[NineThePuma]

RE: Tournament: Why not just do it on Showdown?

Because while that would boost participation, it wouldn't have the same feel as doing it with the glorious coded monstrosities we already have?

[SaintRidley]

The procedure? Yeah, a bit.


They give some clues for it at least. Someone tells you in game, and Inkay doesn't make it a secret that it likes to be upside down when you use it in battle.

[Tanuki Tales]

What's the max level on the Battle Chateua? I was thinking of grinding my team into the 80 to 100 range after beating the next two gyms before taking on the Elite Four.

[Seerow]

What's the max level on the Battle Chateua? I was thinking of grinding my team into the 80 to 100 range after beating the next two gyms before taking on the Elite Four.

Max rank is Grand Duke.

Dukes/Duchesses seem to have a base level of 45. Not sure if Grand Dukes/Duchesses show up once you attain that rank (I'm still at Duke), but if they do their base level is likely 50-55.

You can also issue one writ per day that can raise levels by up to 20 (Regular writ is +5 levels. Red Writ at Duke rank is +10 levels. Black Writ at Grand Duke is +20 levels). Occasionally gym leaders/E4 members will show up with higher levels than your current max. (I've seen them in there at level 65, with Red Writ)

[ZamielVanWeber]

This Gen is pretty fun. I do need more friends though (only really good friend park I got gives charmeleon and braxien). Does not help that I only give meh stuff.

[noparlpf]

Can you have rematches with NPCs?

[ZamielVanWeber]

Not as far as I can tell sadly.

[noparlpf]

They had better remember a Vs Seeker and higher-level rematches in Z. >:|

[Burnerpower]

The tournament idea sounds fun. I would certainly participate if we had one. OU rules with a couple of modifications to accommodate nerfs sounds good.

[noparlpf]

I suppose I could participate in a tournament too. Even if my team isn't IV bred or ideally chosen, they're mostly EV trained (I'll finish that up one of these days) and I managed to beat my friend even though I got a miss on what should have been an OHKO and he got a crit.

[Gullara]

Rather than just flounder around on my own or rely on what Smogon has listed, I'll ask you guys what you think. I'm going to be EV training my Snorlax, and I am not entirely sure what exactly to train it in. Here's the Snorlax.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
-Curse
-Return
-Earthquake
-Crunch

As mentioned before, maxed out IVs in HP, Attack, Defense, Special Defense. Otherwise rated as outstanding overall. Other advice on the build would be appreciated too. The intent is obviously an offensive Curselax. Switch in on something he resists/can tank and set up.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Max Def is normally great on snorlax. His HP is high enough you don't need to worry about putting much there.

[Kurgan]

Kurgan: Remember to add the codes of everyone else.



Righto, just crammed the top half of that big list there, though my eyes need a good long break before I can punch in another 20 numbers.

[OracleofWuffing]

Oh man Inkay's evolution.

That's just evil.
˙sı ɯəlqoɹd əɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ əəs ʇ,uop ı

I'm totally looking forward to an episode of the anime explaining that one.

[AstralFire]

˙sı ɯəlqoɹd əɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ əəs ʇ,uop ı

I'm totally looking forward to an episode of the anime explaining that one.

It's probably just Inkay flipping over. Trade Evolutions are apparently electrical "impulses" in the presence of another pokemon.

[Seerow]

It's probably just Inkay flipping over. Trade Evolutions are apparently electrical "impulses" in the presence of another pokemon.

That doesn't even make sense. If that were the case just having other pokemon in your party would qualify.

I was under the impression even the anime used machines for pokemon trading, which would be what triggers those evolutions. (I haven't watched in years but I distinctly remember an early episode involving using such a machine. I think Ash trading his butterfree away).

[AstralFire]

That doesn't even make sense. If that were the case just having other pokemon in your party would qualify.

I was under the impression even the anime used machines for pokemon trading, which would be what triggers those evolutions. (I haven't watched in years but I distinctly remember an early episode involving using such a machine. I think Ash trading his butterfree away).

What I just said is the dex entries involving Karrablast and Shelmet, actually. I'm generalizing it to explain trade evolutions and distinguishing them from thunderstones and electrical attacks. The anime has used trade machines in the past.

[ZamielVanWeber]

That doesn't even make sense. If that were the case just having other pokemon in your party would qualify.

Okay: when you abuse inkay by turning it upside down and shaking it it evolves so it can smack the mean right out of you...

Yea, I got nothing.

[OracleofWuffing]

Admittedly, part of me wanted to suggest "¡ʎɐʞuı əʌloʌə oʇ ʍoɥ ʇno punoɟ ı 'sʎnƃ ʎəɥ" as this thread's title, but I thought it would have ran afoul of a forum guideline a bit too much. I recall the Butterfree trade episode, but there have also been episodes where pokemon are given without the machine, which is kinda a trade in my mind. What really got me thinking was how they did an episode of why Shellder's shape transforms when Slowpoke evolves into Slowbro (Slowking did not exist at the time), so if they felt the need to address that, I mean, this is the next logical step.

Granted, that episode didn't quite explain how the shape changes... :smalltongue:

But there's seriously an NPC that hints you in on it? I guess I missed it.

[Othesemo]

I'd love to participate in a tournament. It'd give me a chance to test out the team I've spent the past week or so breeding up.

Smogon already has a banlist, which seems reasonable enough- basically, everything with with a BST of 670 or higher and no hindering ability is banned. Normally that'd have all sorts of implications because of stuff like the Genies or Genesect, but without Pokebank, it's basically just 5th gen OU without the cover legendaries.

Other than that, Drizzle+Swift Swim seems like the only other significant change from 5th gen which would merit consideration. I assume we'd be using the standard ruleset, ie Sleep Clause, Evasion Clause, OHKO Clause and no Item Clause?


Does a smogon B2/W2 OU ruleset sound good with Xerneas and Yvettal as additional bans?

We may wish to discuss sleep cause and item clause of course.

Just saw this-

Personally, I'd cast my non-existent vote for Sleep Clause and No Item Clause. No Item Clause in particular so long as we'd be doing 6v6 battles- it tends to hurt defensive play way more than offensive play (offense has 3 choice items, life orb, custap berry for skarm etc etc, while defense has... leftovers and eviolite), and I love me some stall. It's pretty important in 3v3 where entry hazards are pretty bad and Focus Sash can be slapped on anything, but there are just too few good items for it to work well in a full 6 on 6 battle.

[Sylthia]

I've added everyone on the list. My provisional list is now Burley, Infernally Clay, Foolish Teeth, Harnel, AstralFire, noparlpf, Derjuin, ThePhantom, Kurgan.

If any of you is out of room on your list, please let me know and I can take you off of mine.

[Emperor Ing]

So where, exactly, would be the best place to get exp? I seriously don't want to believe that Victory Road has the highest level wilds

[Seerow]

while defense has... leftovers and eviolite

Is Big Root not viable then?

I was thinking a pokemon running Ingrain, Leech Seed, Toxic + 1 offense move (preferably another life draining one, but maybe something else) with the Big Root would be roughly as effective as getting another leftovers. Plus bonus points for still being fairly effective at self-healing if the enemy is running some item disruption technique.

[Infernally Clay]

What do you guys think of Protean Greninja with an Assault Vest? I've got a Protean Froakie with max IVs in HP, Sp.Atk and Spd (only took four eggs to get as well) that I'm EV training right now and looking at the base stats of Greninja it's really squishy. If I were to give it an Assault Vest it would effectively have a 106 base Sp.Def, which is a lot better, plus it's the sort of Pokémon you're going to want four attacking moves.

I'm thinking of going with Scald, Extrasensory, Ice Beam and Dark Pulse... Being able to get super effective STAB against ten different types is certainly something that'll be quite handy to have.

[AstralFire]

Is Big Root not viable then?

I was thinking a pokemon running Ingrain, Leech Seed, Toxic + 1 offense move (preferably another life draining one, but maybe something else) with the Big Root would be roughly as effective as getting another leftovers. Plus bonus points for still being fairly effective at self-healing if the enemy is running some item disruption technique.

Unless big root got a buff, it's really not.

Ingrain tends to be a bigger problem than a benefit, especially because Grass has a LOT of weaknesses for a type that's supposed to be defensive. (Though thanks to its move design, it actually IS defensive, unlike Rock - which is a relic from an era when most pokemon were expected to carry normal moves for coverage.)

[Seerow]

Unless big root got a buff, it's really not.

That's sad.

[OracleofWuffing]

So where, exactly, would be the best place to get exp? I seriously don't want to believe that Victory Road has the highest level wilds
Still believe the answer is Restaurant Le Wow in Annoying Circle City, mid-60-ish levels. I thought I heard the High Roller Sushi place is a few levels higher, but it's significantly costlier to start doing.


I was thinking a pokemon running Ingrain, Leech Seed, Toxic + 1 offense move (preferably another life draining one, but maybe something else) with the Big Root would be roughly as effective as getting another leftovers. Plus bonus points for still being fairly effective at self-healing if the enemy is running some item disruption technique.
If only you could set up Grassy Terrain and Baton Pass an Aqua Ring without getting KO's or Taunted beforehand...

[Sajiri]

Oh man, new thread and a few pages in already. I'll have to update my friend list when I get home from work >_<

[Elhann]

A question for those who are finding easy to get a perfect-ish pokemon.

I am breeding a female larvesta with a male beautifly (egg morning sun). Both of them come from Safaris, Larvesta with 2 31 IVs (Speed, Def) and Beutifly with 2 (HP, SpA). The Beautifly has a destiny knot.

Even with all this, after like 20 eggs or something like that, the offspring comes with at best 2 31 IVs. Am I doing something wrong, or is it just bad luck?

[Seerow]

Still believe the answer is Restaurant Le Wow in Annoying Circle City, mid-60-ish levels. I thought I heard the High Roller Sushi place is a few levels higher, but it's significantly costlier to start doing.

Le Wow is 63ish and nets you between 80-150k in profit each time (more with O powers). Sushi Roller is 65ish and loses you close to 200k every time. (Not confirmed: Possibility of a huge reward for getting a flawless victory at Sushi Roller)



If only you could set up Grassy Terrain and Baton Pass an Aqua Ring without getting KO's or Taunted beforehand...

I was actually initially kind of hoping the boost would be +50-100% rather than +30%, and/or would work with any healing (so would boost things like Rain Dish).



Unrelated note: Has anyone found a shop that sells any nicer looking clothes? Or is my hope for one in vain? Given the Battle Chateau and Team Flare, I was really hoping to have a shop where I could buy various suits and other fine quality clothing. Imagine my dismay when Boutique Couture is just another shop that sells t-shirts and jeans. Blegh.

Alternatively: Is there any way to just not wear a hat/accessory? Having sunglasses forever sitting on top of my head is annoying, as is having hats I really don't like, but I haven't managed to find one I do.


Edit:

A question for those who are finding easy to get a perfect-ish pokemon.

I am breeding a female larvesta with a male beautifly (egg morning sun). Both of them come from Safaris, Larvesta with 2 31 IVs (Speed, Def) and Beutifly with 2 (HP, SpA). The Beautifly has a destiny knot.

Even with all this, after like 20 eggs or something like that, the offspring comes with at best 2 31 IVs. Am I doing something wrong, or is it just bad luck?

Just bad luck. It picks 5 stats at random between the two parents, it seems like RNG is picking mostly bad stats from each parent. It just takes some luck to get it to grab all 4 of the 31s at the same time.

[Sylthia]

Unrelated note: Has anyone found a shop that sells any nicer looking clothes? Or is my hope for one in vain? Given the Battle Chateau and Team Flare, I was really hoping to have a shop where I could buy various suits and other fine quality clothing. Imagine my dismay when Boutique Couture is just another shop that sells t-shirts and jeans. Blegh.

Alternatively: Is there any way to just not wear a hat/accessory? Having sunglasses forever sitting on top of my head is annoying, as is having hats I really don't like, but I haven't managed to find one I do.
.

You don't have to have an accessory, but there's no way to take off your hat that I know of.

[Othesemo]

A question for those who are finding easy to get a perfect-ish pokemon.

I am breeding a female larvesta with a male beautifly (egg morning sun). Both of them come from Safaris, Larvesta with 2 31 IVs (Speed, Def) and Beutifly with 2 (HP, SpA). The Beautifly has a destiny knot.

Even with all this, after like 20 eggs or something like that, the offspring comes with at best 2 31 IVs. Am I doing something wrong, or is it just bad luck?

I suggest using a power item on one parent and an everstone on the other until you have at least five perfect IVs between both parents. With only 4 or fewer, I believe that Destiny Knot will give you worse results than a Power Lens or somesuch.

[Partof1]

Friend Code:4313 0044 7312
Mii Name: Tom
In-game name: Magnus

Add me to the first post, please

[Sajiri]

A question for those who are finding easy to get a perfect-ish pokemon.

I am breeding a female larvesta with a male beautifly (egg morning sun). Both of them come from Safaris, Larvesta with 2 31 IVs (Speed, Def) and Beutifly with 2 (HP, SpA). The Beautifly has a destiny knot.

Even with all this, after like 20 eggs or something like that, the offspring comes with at best 2 31 IVs. Am I doing something wrong, or is it just bad luck?

I prefer not to use destiny knot until the parents have at least 3 perfects each, otherwise there's just more chance at inheriting the bad IVs. Also anytime you add a new perfect to a baby, switch to breeding with that. Females can pass on egg moves now too.

[Sylthia]

Friend Code:4313 0044 7312
Mii Name: Tom
In-game name: Magnus

Add me to the first post, please

Added you to my list. Please put everyone on the OP on yours as well.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Friend Code:4313 0044 7312
Mii Name: Tom
In-game name: Magnus

Add me to the first post, please

Me too. My info is in my sig.

[Seerow]

Me too. My info is in my sig.

But I have sigs off!

Edit: Nevermind I can view it from the profile.

[Elhann]

Thanks for the breeding advice. Time to hit the battle maison and get me some power items

Friend safari info:

DiegoHavoc has Spiritomb :smalleek:
Kurgan's type is Steel, safari has Magneton and Forretress
Zamiel's type is Electric, safari has Electabuzz and Pachirisu

[Emperor Ing]

By the way you'll want to add me as well

Code: 1134-7922-2243
Mii Name: EmpI
Ingame Name: Rand

Friend Safari: Ground
1) Donphan
2) Gabite
3) ???

Also, would someone be willing to give me a Larvesta? Preferably, female.

[Infernally Clay]

I prefer not to use destiny knot until the parents have at least 3 perfects each, otherwise there's just more chance at inheriting the bad IVs. Also anytime you add a new perfect to a baby, switch to breeding with that. Females can pass on egg moves now too.

Are you free to send over the Eevees now? I just heard that Sylveon has Pixilate as its Hidden Ability. :smalleek:

[Gullara]

Friend Code:4313 0044 7312
Mii Name: Tom
In-game name: Magnus

Add me to the first post, please


By the way you'll want to add me as well

Code: 1134-7922-2243
Mii Name: EmpI
Ingame Name: Rand

Friend Safari: Ground
1) Donphan
2) Gabite
3) ???

Also, would someone be willing to give me a Larvesta? Preferably, female.

Added both of you. Please add me back!


Also, because I still hope to get some advice, I'll try asking the following one more time now that it's later in the day.


Rather than just flounder around on my own or rely on what Smogon has listed, I'll ask you guys what you think. I'm going to be EV training my Snorlax, and I am not entirely sure what exactly to train it in. Here's the Snorlax.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
-Curse
-Return
-Earthquake
-Crunch

As mentioned before, maxed out IVs in HP, Attack, Defense, Special Defense. Otherwise rated as outstanding overall. Other advice on the build would be appreciated too. The intent is obviously an offensive Curselax. Switch in on something he resists/can tank and set up.

[Beacon of Chaos]

I suppose I'd be interested in a tournament. I haven't really done much competetive stuff. I think I've had a total of 3 battles against human opponents. Buuuuuut I already feel like I'm running out of things to do in this game, so this seems like something fun to keep me occupied.


Friend safari info:

DiegoHavoc has Spiritomb :smalleek:
Awesome. Might want to trade for one of those. :smallbiggrin:

[Sajiri]

Are you free to send over the Eevees now? I just heard that Sylveon has Pixilate as its Hidden Ability. :smalleek:

No, Im at work and won't be off for quite a while :/ Something like 6 hours from now is when I'd be home

Also pixilate..isn't so great. Thus far the only uses I can think of for it are Hyper beam if it's a finisher, and Hypervoice which apparently eevee can only learn from a tutor in bw2

[Qwertystop]

I heard from a real-life friend: Apparently I've got a Dark-type Safari and it has Crawdaunt and Mightyena. Third does not yet exist.

[Emperor Ing]

Added both of you. Please add me back!


Added (though for some reason you don't show up on my friends list ingame)
PLEASE tell me you have a Larvesta

[Othesemo]

Rather than just flounder around on my own or rely on what Smogon has listed, I'll ask you guys what you think. I'm going to be EV training my Snorlax, and I am not entirely sure what exactly to train it in. Here's the Snorlax.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
-Curse
-Return
-Earthquake
-Crunch

As mentioned before, maxed out IVs in HP, Attack, Defense, Special Defense. Otherwise rated as outstanding overall. Other advice on the build would be appreciated too. The intent is obviously an offensive Curselax. Switch in on something he resists/can tank and set up.

252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def is the basic spread for any curse sweeper. Snorlax has an enormous HP stat, though, so it might be more profitable to invest in his individual defenses- to be honest, I was never very clear on when investing in HP stops being profitable.

Smogon's spread seems to be geared towards surviving a number of specific attacks, and if you're intending to use him in an UU environment, I don't think you could go wrong by following their guidance. Really, though, every spread is going to amount to 252 Atk/256 distributed among HP, Def, and SDef, the exact distribution depending on the metagame.

[OracleofWuffing]

Rather than just flounder around on my own or rely on what Smogon has listed, I'll ask you guys what you think. I'm going to be EV training my Snorlax, and I am not entirely sure what exactly to train it in. Here's the Snorlax.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
-Curse
-Return
-Earthquake
-Crunch

As mentioned before, maxed out IVs in HP, Attack, Defense, Special Defense. Otherwise rated as outstanding overall. Other advice on the build would be appreciated too. The intent is obviously an offensive Curselax. Switch in on something he resists/can tank and set up.
Given your nature, you're gonna want to invest in Attack. Whether you want to invest primarily in Special Defense, Defense, or HP after that is going to mostly be a matter of taste. I'd personally go with Special Defense, just to take advantage of stats, but I could see Defense if you otherwise have a better Special Wall.

[noparlpf]

I've added everyone on the list. My provisional list is now Burley, Infernally Clay, Foolish Teeth, Harnel, AstralFire, noparlpf, Derjuin, ThePhantom, Kurgan.

If any of you is out of room on your list, please let me know and I can take you off of mine.

Suppose I ought to go through and add everybody I haven't yet.


What do you guys think of Protean Greninja with an Assault Vest? I've got a Protean Froakie with max IVs in HP, Sp.Atk and Spd (only took four eggs to get as well) that I'm EV training right now and looking at the base stats of Greninja it's really squishy. If I were to give it an Assault Vest it would effectively have a 106 base Sp.Def, which is a lot better, plus it's the sort of Pokémon you're going to want four attacking moves.

I'm thinking of going with Scald, Extrasensory, Ice Beam and Dark Pulse... Being able to get super effective STAB against ten different types is certainly something that'll be quite handy to have.

Assault Vest sounds better than Expert Belt. I'd go with Surf/Extrasensory/Ice Beam/U-Turn personally. Surf vs. Scald is a personal preference. I find U-Turn to be useful enough that the physical attack doesn't make it a bad choice. My Talonflame has Brave Bird/Flare Blitz/Roost/U-Turn, for example.


Unrelated note: Has anyone found a shop that sells any nicer looking clothes? Or is my hope for one in vain? Given the Battle Chateau and Team Flare, I was really hoping to have a shop where I could buy various suits and other fine quality clothing. Imagine my dismay when Boutique Couture is just another shop that sells t-shirts and jeans. Blegh.

Alternatively: Is there any way to just not wear a hat/accessory? Having sunglasses forever sitting on top of my head is annoying, as is having hats I really don't like, but I haven't managed to find one I do.

Here's a list of clothes (http://www.serebii.net/xy/customisation.shtml), though some of the locations are a bit off. I think the list on Bulbapedia might have been more accurate. But it's not in my history right now.

I know you can remove the accessory (just tap the one that's equipped to remove it); dunno about the hat.

[Qwertystop]

Has anyone else been thinking about mindgames involving not mega evolving?

For example, Mega Gengar prevents switches, but switches occur after it goes Mega, and it loses Levitate. I'm sure there's something there involving not going Mega to keep Levitate, anticipating a switch (to avoid getting caught by Arena Trap). Or something with Mega Charizard X, losing Flying.

[noparlpf]

Has anyone else been thinking about mindgames involving not mega evolving?

For example, Mega Gengar prevents switches, but switches occur after it goes Mega, and it loses Levitate. I'm sure there's something there involving not going Mega to keep Levitate, anticipating a switch (to avoid getting caught by Arena Trap). Or something with Mega Charizard X, losing Flying.

I thought they just automatically went Mega on Showdown right now? I watched one turn Mega on the turn it was sent out, not the turn it attacked. Or did they fix that yet?

[Othesemo]

Has anyone else been thinking about mindgames involving not mega evolving?

For example, Mega Gengar prevents switches, but switches occur after it goes Mega, and it loses Levitate. I'm sure there's something there involving not going Mega to keep Levitate, anticipating a switch (to avoid getting caught by Arena Trap). Or something with Mega Charizard X, losing Flying.

Absolutely. The ladder is lousy with MegaGengar, and people tend to assume that that's the set unless proven otherwise. Even if I'm running the megastone, I might hold off mega evolving for a turn if I'm against something like Hippowdown which can tank a hit and hit back with Earthquake- which it almost certainly will since, as I mentioned, everybody assumes that it's gonna go mega on the first turn.


I thought they just automatically went Mega on Showdown right now? I watched one turn Mega on the turn it was sent out, not the turn it attacked. Or did they fix that yet?

They fixed it- it works like it does in the games.

[geonova]

i'd love to participate in a tournament, but i need to build a non-banned team first

[Sylthia]

Has anyone else been thinking about mindgames involving not mega evolving?

For example, Mega Gengar prevents switches, but switches occur after it goes Mega, and it loses Levitate. I'm sure there's something there involving not going Mega to keep Levitate, anticipating a switch (to avoid getting caught by Arena Trap). Or something with Mega Charizard X, losing Flying.

I found the hard way that Mega Gengar losing levitate after using him on my Earthquake doubles team.

[noparlpf]

Absolutely. The ladder is lousy with MegaGengar, and people tend to assume that that's the set unless proven otherwise. Even if I'm running the megastone, I might hold off mega evolving for a turn if I'm against something like Hippowdown which can tank a hit and hit back with Earthquake- which it almost certainly will since, as I mentioned, everybody assumes that it's gonna go mega on the first turn.

They fixed it- it works like it does in the games.

I'm sure the meta will adapt quickly and people will start to realise the strategy of changing abilities mid-battle.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Thanks for the breeding advice. Time to hit the battle maison and get me some power items

Friend safari info:

DiegoHavoc has Spiritomb :smalleek:
Kurgan's type is Steel, safari has Magneton and Forretress
Zamiel's type is Electric, safari has Electabuzz and Pachirisu

And galvantula!

[AtlanteanTroll]

So ... Were we to organize a tourney, would it be on Pokemon Showdown or what?

[Togath]

I'm sure the meta will adapt quickly and people will start to realise the strategy of changing abilities mid-battle.

I actually did see someone use the "don't immediately mega gengar" trick =)
Regarding PS, how is Brave Bird looking compared to Acrobatics on Talonflame(assuming it has Gale Wings anyway) so far?

[Infernally Clay]

So ... Were we to organize a tourney, would it be on Pokemon Showdown or what?

I'd prefer to use the actual games, myself. I mean, why are we even EV training these guys and breeding like crazy to get good IV spreads if we're just going to get a website to generate perfect Pokémon for us?


Regarding PS, how is Brave Bird looking compared to Acrobatics on Talonflame(assuming it has Gale Wings anyway) so far?

It depends on which you prefer - 110 base power or 120 base power with recoil. The former can run with a Flying Gem for triple damage on Acrobatic's first use (so 165 base power), so I prefer to use that with a Talonflame that knows Flare Blitz since you don't want two recoil moves.

I really like...

Talonflame @Flying Gem
Adamant / Gale Wings
252 Atk, 252 Spd
- Acrobatics
- Flare Blitz
- Swords Dance
- Roost

If you can land even one Swords Dance, suddenly Talonflame becomes monstrous and I don't think very much would ever like to take a +2 Flying Gem-boosted STAB Acrobatics (with the priority and Talonflame's high speed ensuring even most other priority moves won't go first).

[Togath]

Unrelated note: Has anyone found a shop that sells any nicer looking clothes? Or is my hope for one in vain? Given the Battle Chateau and Team Flare, I was really hoping to have a shop where I could buy various suits and other fine quality clothing. Imagine my dismay when Boutique Couture is just another shop that sells t-shirts and jeans. Blegh.

Alternatively: Is there any way to just not wear a hat/accessory? Having sunglasses forever sitting on top of my head is annoying, as is having hats I really don't like, but I haven't managed to find one I do.


Is your character male or female?
Female ones have the option of a few suit-esc shirts;
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtieblue.png
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtiered.png
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtiegreen.png

[noparlpf]

I actually did see someone use the "don't immediately mega gengar" trick =)
Regarding PS, how is Brave Bird looking compared to Acrobatics on Talonflame(assuming it has Gale Wings anyway) so far?

Brave Bird and Flare Blitz have been working quite well for me with Roost as backup. Right now it has a Shell Bell to alleviate recoil a bit. Dunno what might work better. And the one I've been using doesn't even have Gale Wings. I'll probably breed one of those in a while.


I'd prefer to use the actual games, myself. I mean, why are we even EV training these guys and breeding like crazy to get good IV spreads if we're just going to get a website to generate perfect Pokémon for us?

Because we're obsessive geeks?

[Sylthia]

Is your character male or female?
Female ones have the option of a few suit-esc shirts;
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtieblue.png
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtiered.png
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtiegreen.png

Having played through on both boy and girl now, I can say that girls get much better options for clothing.

[Infernally Clay]

Because we're obsessive geeks?

Precisely! So why would we want all that obsessive geekery go to waste? :smallwink:

[noparlpf]

Precisely! So why would we want all that obsessive geekery go to waste? :smallwink:

Geekery is its own reward? I mean seriously I spent twenty bucks on Kanto League badges that will probably sit on my shelf looking awesome for the next forty years until my house is destroyed as the clones escape the lab.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Does anyone have DW tyrantrum or aron? Trying to get them for my BF but no luck so far.

[Othesemo]

I actually did see someone use the "don't immediately mega gengar" trick =)
Regarding PS, how is Brave Bird looking compared to Acrobatics on Talonflame(assuming it has Gale Wings anyway) so far?

I prefer Flying Gem acrobatics, by and large, but I've also seen a Choice Band set with Brave Bird used to great effect. I think that Acrobatics is probably the superior option for anything other than a Choice set, personally. A lack of recoil is absolutely huge when one point of damage can mean the difference between dying and being able to revenge kill later in the match.

[noparlpf]

Does anyone have DW tyrantrum or aron? Trying to get them for my BF but no luck so far.

What are its Hidden Abilities? I only have the regular one from fossil so far. Same for Aron. Doesn't look like anybody here has either in their Friend Safari yet.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Tyrantrum has rock head. I forget aggrons right now. I just know he wants one. I also need an aron anyways to be honest.

[Mando Knight]

Aggron's is Heavy Metal, which makes Heavy Slam ridiculous (only the top 10% or so of the Pokédex is heavy enough to avoid taking maximum damage from Heavy Slam). Fortunately for Aggron, Low Kick doesn't get any stronger, since it's already in the top weight tier.

[Seerow]

Is your character male or female?
Female ones have the option of a few suit-esc shirts;
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtieblue.png
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtiered.png
http://www.serebii.net/xy/clothes/female/shirtandtiegreen.png

Character's male. So options really seem to be (judging by Serebii's list) tshirts, shirts with overshirts, and cold-weather jackets.

Then again given I'm the only person I've noticed complaining about this lack, GF probably judged their target audience appropriately.

[ZamielVanWeber]

I am actually dissapointed that I vannot wear a team flare suit. I am hoping yhat it will be in Z.

[D_Man_7733]

Character's male. So options really seem to be (judging by Serebii's list) tshirts, shirts with overshirts, and cold-weather jackets.

Then again given I'm the only person I've noticed complaining about this lack, GF probably judged their target audience appropriately.

You are not the only person, it annoys me alot, because girls get all the different accessories & shirts, I was really hoping to be able to get a tuxedo for my male character.

[Sylthia]

Character's male. So options really seem to be (judging by Serebii's list) tshirts, shirts with overshirts, and cold-weather jackets.

Then again given I'm the only person I've noticed complaining about this lack, GF probably judged their target audience appropriately.

It bothers me, too, although it's a gift and a curse. On my male character, I always have plenty of pokebucks because I haven't spent it all on clothes.

[Sajiri]

To the boys complaining about girls getting more clothes, on the flipside as a girl I am disappointed I dont have the option to wear beanies :smallfrown:

[The Dark Fiddler]

So ... Were we to organize a tourney, would it be on Pokemon Showdown or what?

If it's not on Showdown, then I wouldn't be able to participate.

But it's not like I'm a thread regular anyway.

Then again, Showdown's been having really spotty servers recently.

[SaintRidley]

Has anyone else been thinking about mindgames involving not mega evolving?

For example, Mega Gengar prevents switches, but switches occur after it goes Mega, and it loses Levitate. I'm sure there's something there involving not going Mega to keep Levitate, anticipating a switch (to avoid getting caught by Arena Trap). Or something with Mega Charizard X, losing Flying.

Isn't Mega-Gengar immune to Arena Trap anyway because it's a ghost type and they no longer get trapped on the field?

[Gullara]

252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def is the basic spread for any curse sweeper. Snorlax has an enormous HP stat, though, so it might be more profitable to invest in his individual defenses- to be honest, I was never very clear on when investing in HP stops being profitable.

Smogon's spread seems to be geared towards surviving a number of specific attacks, and if you're intending to use him in an UU environment, I don't think you could go wrong by following their guidance. Really, though, every spread is going to amount to 252 Atk/256 distributed among HP, Def, and SDef, the exact distribution depending on the metagame.


Given your nature, you're gonna want to invest in Attack. Whether you want to invest primarily in Special Defense, Defense, or HP after that is going to mostly be a matter of taste. I'd personally go with Special Defense, just to take advantage of stats, but I could see Defense if you otherwise have a better Special Wall.

Thanks for the advice. I'll take it into account. I really have no idea about the metagame, since I'm actually breeding this in the games. Mostly just going for an all around good build without getting too particular about it.

[Partof1]

Mewtwo is predetermined, right? Because I just caught one with a Modest nature, and "Can't be beat" in HP, SpA, and Speed. No way I'm that lucky.

[ScionoftheVoid]

Mewtwo is predetermined, right? Because I just caught one with a Modest nature, and "Can't be beat" in HP, SpA, and Speed. No way I'm that lucky.

Pokemon in the No Eggs group get at least three perfect IVs this gen, you might have just gotten lucky with the nature (though I couldn't say for sure, I haven't hunted down the legends, personally).

[SaintRidley]

Mewtwo is predetermined, right? Because I just caught one with a Modest nature, and "Can't be beat" in HP, SpA, and Speed. No way I'm that lucky.

Anything that can't breed gets 3 perfect IVs when caught wild.

[ZeltArruin]

Isn't Mega-Gengar immune to Arena Trap anyway because it's a ghost type and they no longer get trapped on the field?

You are very correct.

[Infernally Clay]

38SG-WWWW-WWW2-6WJG

Guy requested a battle at the worst time possible. To say I wasn't prepared would be an understatement. I'm still training my Frogadier (level 28), my Absol has Amulet Coin equipped instead of Absolite and half my team is only there for their HM moves, but I managed to take out four of the opposing Pokémon including Mega Lucario and Mewtwo.

[Gullara]

I know it's been asked before, but I already forget. <.< Where does one punch in those codes to see the replays?


And on an unrelated note, IVs breeding is Hell itself. @.@ Here I thought I was struggling with Snorlax. I have over a box of Shroomishes now, trying to get one with perfect IVs in all but Special Attack. I guess Snorlax only needed four perfect IVs, but argh!

[ZamielVanWeber]

Took my friend a week to get 5 perfect IVs on her fennekin. It is a lot easier this gen overall, so chin up! You can do it.

[Arcran]

The WiFi is UP! Gooey Modest Goomy and Timid Gastly for anybody who wants them.

[Emperor Ing]

The WiFi is UP! Gooey Modest Goomy and Timid Gastly for anybody who wants them.

Depends, how useful is Gooey vs Hydration? It occurs to me that Goodra has terrible defense, so whatever would trigger Gooey has a good chance of OHKOing him anyways if not doing a good deal of damage, whereas Hydration offers Goodra the ability to ChestoRest minus the Chesto.

[Arcran]

Depends, how useful is Gooey vs Hydration? It occurs to me that Goodra has terrible defense, so whatever would trigger Gooey has a good chance of OHKOing him anyways if not doing a good deal of damage, whereas Hydration offers Goodra the ability to ChestoRest minus the Chesto.

I have no idea, but I also have Modest Hydration ones as well. With the Drizzle nerf I see Rain being less used, but I've been wrong before.

As always, at least decent IVs on my stuff.

[Gullara]

Took my friend a week to get 5 perfect IVs on her fennekin. It is a lot easier this gen overall, so chin up! You can do it.

A week? .-. I sure hope not. Of course, the fact that I need its hidden ability compounds the issue.

[Emperor Ing]

I have no idea, but I also have Modest Hydration ones as well. With the Drizzle nerf I see Rain being less used, but I've been wrong before.

As always, at least decent IVs on my stuff.

Well i'm interested, if I could have a Female Modest Gooey Goomy to allow for breeding a Modest Hydration Goomy should I wish to try both, that would be appreciated. IVs aren't really a big concern to me honestly, I don't expect to be entering any tournaments :smalltongue:

[Arcran]

Well i'm interested, if I could have a Female Modest Gooey Goomy to allow for breeding a Modest Hydration Goomy should I wish to try both, that would be appreciated. IVs aren't really a big concern to me honestly, I don't expect to be entering any tournaments :smalltongue:

Well, too bad, you're getting good IVs. I'll take anything, but nicer stuff is appreciated.

[Emperor Ing]

Well, too bad, you're getting good IVs. I'll take anything, but nicer stuff is appreciated.

I'll see what I have lying around in my box, don't worry i'll try to avoid sending you caterpies.

And my friend code is 1134-7922-2243, it's not on the OP yet, but it should be, hint hint

[Arcran]

I'll see what I have lying around in my box, don't worry i'll try to avoid sending you caterpies.

And my friend code is 1134-7922-2243, it's not on the OP yet, but it should be, hint hint

It's actually at the end of the OP. You're added. Trade request me (same Trainer name as here) and let's go!

[Emperor Ing]

Glorious. Apologies I didn't have anything better than Swirlix, but hey. It's an exclusive. Also, is what I saw that you had boxes full of Goomy?

[Arcran]

Glorious. Apologies I didn't have anything better than Swirlix, but hey. It's an exclusive. Also, is what I saw that you had boxes full of Goomy?

Nope. Nu-uh.

I have about a box and a half, and all are Modest, about 3/4 Gooey. I have like three of Gastly though, since it took so long for IVs there.

[Emperor Ing]

Ah. Now to Super-Train him and my Aegislash that i've been playing with since Gym 1 and I only JUST learned has the Brave nature, the EXACT nature I wanted.

(Note to self: capture more version exclusives)

[Arcran]

Ah. Now to Super-Train him and my Aegislash that i've been playing with since Gym 1 and I only JUST learned has the Brave nature, the EXACT nature I wanted.

(Note to self: capture more version exclusives)

I'm missing Poochyena, if you want another trade.

Also Mewtwonite X. Nobody seems to want to give me that for some reason.

[Mtg_player_zach]

Nope. Nu-uh.

I have about a box and a half, and all are Modest, about 3/4 Gooey. I have like three of Gastly though, since it took so long for IVs there.

So it was you that wanted a staryu and a Technician bullet seed shroomish right?

[Emperor Ing]

I'm missing Poochyena, if you want another trade.

Also Mewtwonite X. Nobody seems to want to give me that for some reason.

I don't have a Poochyena and I don't think I can catch them in the wild, but I can get a female Mightyena for you, though I can't guarantee it'll be the nature or IVs you want.

In exchange, well...for some reason i've always wanted a Skrelp :smalltongue:

[Arcran]

So it was you that wanted a staryu and a Technician bullet seed shroomish right?

Yep! That trade would be awesome.


I don't have a Poochyena and I don't think I can catch them in the wild, but I can get a female Mightyena for you, though I can't guarantee it'll be the nature or IVs you want.

In exchange, well...for some reason i've always wanted a Skrelp :smalltongue:

I can do that! I'll probably not be using Mightyena competitively anyways, so that's alright.

[Emperor Ing]

I can do that! I'll probably not be using Mightyena competitively anyways, so that's alright.

Well i'm ready to go when you are (can the Skrelp be female please? I'm currently lacking in the Ditto department.)

[Emperor Ing]

Well that trade was a bit unexpected, but in a good way. Have fun with Lotad and ↑↓↑↓↑↓ :smalltongue:

[Arcran]

Well that trade was a bit unexpected, but in a good way. Have fun with Lotad and ↑↓↑↓↑↓ :smalltongue:

No problem! I was definitely not just lazy and not wanting to catch a female Skrelp.... :smallredface:

Thanks for the Shrooms and Staryu!

[Mtg_player_zach]

No problem! I was definitely not just lazy and not wanting to catch a female Skrelp.... :smallredface:

Thanks for the Shrooms and Staryu!

Np, Those ought to be a good starting point, especially the Staryu only missing 1 Iv. And I only had 3 iv Shroomish's left.

[Elhann]

Emperor Ing, I added your friend code, and have larvestas. Both genders, lots of lousy natures (think the best one is a timid male), most of them have two perfect IVs. I'll try to breed better ones this afternoon, once I get all the power items. Which, thankfully, are FAR easier to obtain this generation than in previous ones.

If you still want one fire bug, add me (bonus points: Ditto as a third safari pokemon). I'm not too picky with my trades.

[Emperor Ing]

Okay I just added you. I'm pulling an all-nighter so feel free to get me anytime. I'm afraid I can't offer much, but if there's an X exclusive you want except Xerneas, lemme know.

[noparlpf]

Tyrantrum has rock head. I forget aggrons right now. I just know he wants one. I also need an aron anyways to be honest.

Oh, okay. I'm liking Strong Jaws Crunch myself, but Rock Head looks good. How do you get its HA though if it's not available in Friend Safaris?


To the boys complaining about girls getting more clothes, on the flipside as a girl I am disappointed I dont have the option to wear beanies :smallfrown:

You don't? Huh. I'll have to figure out what hat to wear as a girl then.
I bought all the boy clothes already.

I'm thinking once I finish the dex in X I'll start breeding, then I'll trade a high-IV, EV-trained team (probably level ten max) over to Y and play through with it to level them up.


The WiFi is UP! Gooey Modest Goomy and Timid Gastly for anybody who wants them.

Did you still need a Poochyena for a Gastly?

[Emperor Ing]

I just got challenged to a battle by a passerby in the middle of EV-training Goomy and I still somehow won. Zygarde is a BAWS.

[Beacon of Chaos]

Here's a list of clothes (http://www.serebii.net/xy/customisation.shtml), though some of the locations are a bit off. I think the list on Bulbapedia might have been more accurate. But it's not in my history right now.
So the girls get suits and ties but the boys don't? I'm all for going against gender norms but that just seems mean. :smalltongue:


I'd prefer to use the actual games, myself. I mean, why are we even EV training these guys and breeding like crazy to get good IV spreads if we're just going to get a website to generate perfect Pokémon for us?
This. Plus moving 3D models makes for a much better experience than static sprites.


Depends, how useful is Gooey vs Hydration? It occurs to me that Goodra has terrible defense, so whatever would trigger Gooey has a good chance of OHKOing him anyways if not doing a good deal of damage, whereas Hydration offers Goodra the ability to ChestoRest minus the Chesto.
Hydration won't heal Sleep. Poison, paralysis, and burns only. Maybe freezing too, I haven't tested that.

Edit: Serebii says it heals all status changes, but I'm pretty sure I had a situation where my Goodra was asleep in the rain. Maybe something happened to my ability, I don't remember.

[The Succubus]

Going to get a 2DS and either X or Y on the weekend. Last time I properly played Pokemon was when the very first games came out - Red & Blue.

...I miss my Abra. :smallfrown:

[Infernally Clay]

Going to get a 2DS and either X or Y on the weekend. Last time I properly played Pokemon was when the very first games came out - Red & Blue.

...I miss my Abra. :smallfrown:

Well, when you get the game, I'll send you an egg with one in it. It'll have Abra's Dream World ability but I'll try not to give it any egg moves - everyone who played Red and Blue would remember how fun it was to try to catch an Abra above Celadon City before it Teleported away, only to have to level it up a load just so it could do stuff. :smalltongue:

[Emperor Ing]

They ARE obtainable on Route 5, but due to their rarity I wouldn't recommend it.

[The Succubus]

I...can have my little cowardly Abra again? :smalleek::smallbiggrin:

I know that in the original game, you could cancel evolution to keep a Pokemon in its original form - can you still do that in X/Y? I admit I'm rather overwhelmed by some of the new mechanics and breeding stuff that's in the new games. Oo

[Rising Phoenix]

I...can have my little cowardly Abra again? :smalleek::smallbiggrin:

I know that in the original game, you could cancel evolution to keep a Pokemon in its original form - can you still do that in X/Y? I admit I'm rather overwhelmed by some of the new mechanics and breeding stuff that's in the new games. Oo

Yes you can. Just press 'b' when they are evolving.

Edit: As for the tournament. I am fine with keeping the sleep clause and species clause, disregarding the item and drizzle clause and banning the three new legendaries to ubers.

Also we should use six mon teams otherwise why would we bother with breeding six perfect mons?

Edit2: Also yes I am cartridge player myselfl. I want to use my 'babies' :)

[Emperor Ing]

I know that in the original game, you could cancel evolution to keep a Pokemon in its original form - can you still do that in X/Y? I admit I'm rather overwhelmed by some of the new mechanics and breeding stuff that's in the new games. Oo

You can still cancel evolution. To be honest I don't think i've made an effort to find an everstone yet :smalltongue:

But yeah, the game has changed a LOT since Gen 1. Speaking as someone who relapsed into Pokemon during Gen 5 after having last played Gen 2, it is overwhelming at first but you'll get used to it soon enough.

[AstralFire]

I know it's been asked before, but I already forget. <.< Where does one punch in those codes to see the replays?


And on an unrelated note, IVs breeding is Hell itself. @.@ Here I thought I was struggling with Snorlax. I have over a box of Shroomishes now, trying to get one with perfect IVs in all but Special Attack. I guess Snorlax only needed four perfect IVs, but argh!

The VS something item you get after beating the E4.

[Drascin]

I...can have my little cowardly Abra again? :smalleek::smallbiggrin:

I know that in the original game, you could cancel evolution to keep a Pokemon in its original form - can you still do that in X/Y? I admit I'm rather overwhelmed by some of the new mechanics and breeding stuff that's in the new games. Oo

Most of the really complex stuff people are talking about is nowhere near required, don't worry.

The only things you really should keep in mind for a normal playthrough are the physical/special split, Abilities, and Natures. Let's see if I can explain.

The physical/special split is a change that came into being back in fourth gen. Back in Blue, whether an attack's power was determined by the Attack stat or the Special stat was only dependent on type. every Water attack was special, for instance. This had such effects as making Alakazam better at delivering Thunder Punches than Hitmonchan, and Gyarados kind of useless since it had humongous Attack but a move list that was half Special. Which was super dumb, so a split was done. Now every type can have physical and special attacks. Whether an attack is special or physical is shown by a little icon next to it. Physical attacks have a sort of comic book "kapow" red and yellow icon, while special attacks have a purple waves icon.

Your pokémon's Nature is sort of his personality. It can be things like "Lax", "Serious", or "Quirky". It's game effects are simple: each personality gives a plus to the pokémon's stat growth in one stat and a minus to growth in another stat. You can check what stats are affected in the pokémon's character screen. The stat whose name is marked in a soft red has a plus, while the stat marked in blue has a minus.

It's usually a good idea to get Natures that work towards your pokémons' movesets and innate abilities. So, for example, for your Abra, you will probably want a Nature that gives its plus to either Special Attack or Speed, and its minus to Attack, since Alakazam has **** all for physical attacks!

Abilities are probably the weirder of this. Back in Blue a pokémon just had its four moves. But since Sapphire, every pokémon also has a sort of "passive" that is always on, inherent to the species. For example, good old Pidgeot, with its eagle eyes, now has an ability called Keen Eye, which makes you immune to accuracy-reducing attacks. So a Sandshrew could spend all day doing Sand Attacks at it and all it'd get for its trouble is an hernia.

[noparlpf]

Going to get a 2DS and either X or Y on the weekend. Last time I properly played Pokemon was when the very first games came out - Red & Blue.

...I miss my Abra. :smallfrown:

I'd recommend getting the 3DS instead. The extra $30 is worth it. Over here the 2DS is about $130 and I got a red 3DS from Target for $160. Dunno what the relative costs are over there, though.

[Dihan]

The 2DS is £99 in Asda, I believe. That's around $159. A 3DS is £133 ($213) while a 3DS XL can be between £150 and £199 ($241 to $319).

[noparlpf]

The 2DS is £99 in Asda, I believe. That's around $159. A 3DS is £133 ($213) while a 3DS XL can be between £150 and £199 ($241 to $319).

Oh, so it's almost twice as big a difference there. Hmm. Still, the 3D (which I generally dislike) is pretty good, and I like the folding screen and the format of the buttons much better.

[Gullara]

The VS something item you get after beating the E4.

Thank you very much.


Also, in regards to the tournament stuff, I'm still fairly new to paying attention to competitive pokemon, so I don't know some of the terminology. Namely, in this case, some of the rules that people have been quoting. Like sleep clause and species clause.

[noparlpf]

Also, in regards to the tournament stuff, I'm still fairly new to paying attention to competitive pokemon, so I don't know some of the terminology. Namely, in this case, some of the rules that people have been quoting. Like sleep clause and species clause.

Only one Pokémon of any given species, can't put more than one enemy to sleep at a time. (If they use Rest, that's an exception, I believe.)

[Aotrs Commander]

I...can have my little cowardly Abra again? :smalleek::smallbiggrin:

I know that in the original game, you could cancel evolution to keep a Pokemon in its original form - can you still do that in X/Y? I admit I'm rather overwhelmed by some of the new mechanics and breeding stuff that's in the new games. Oo

Breeding is optional. Really only if you're aiming to get good stats on your Pokemon (IVs, or individual values, are set from 0 to 31 for each Pokemon, regitering a difference of 0 to 31 points at level 100) or to breed certain Pokemon for your Dex (e.g. Pikachu's re-evolution, Pichu.)

IVs are hidden values, though, so to work them out you basically have to get an untrained Pokemon and use a calculator. (So not something to lose much sleep about if you're more of a casual player or only looking at the single-player game.)

Nature is another thing to mention, which modifies none or two of a given Pokemon's stats by 10%, one up, one down. There are 25, basically for each pair of Attack/Defence/SpA/SpD/Speed plus and minus (and five neutral).

Both are not not especially necessary for the single player campaign. Pedants like me who insist on spending hours getting something decent for the signle player game just because, and people playing multiplayer use it, but strictly speaking, you don't need to bother if you don't want to.

(Admittedly, if you get a poor nature, like one for Abra that reduces it's speed or special attack, it can hamper the Pokemon's performance.)

Also, as I check the thread, Drascin said it all better...



EVs are also a thing worth mentioning: defeating a Pokemon gives you XP, but also a yield which increases your stats. In this generation, super training, one of the new minigame-y sort of things, gives you for the first time ever, a rough idea of what you've got in what area (before it was all guesswork). You can have up to 256 in one stat, which translates to 64-point increase. You can get various items like the Macho Brace, which increase the yield per battle or in this generation, use the super-training mini game to boost your stats that way.

There is also something called Pokerus, which is like contagion you can pick up extremely rarely from a Pokemon centre (it's something like 1/25000 - I've been lucky enough to find it on my own twice in six generations) which doubles the yield as a permenant effect. (While still infected, you can spread it to other Pokemon in the active team, but it wear off after a while unless the Pokemon is in a box). A couple of us have it for this generation already, as of course you can trade an infected Pokemon.

So EV training is actually a lot more accessible this generation if you're prepared to play minigames.


(A lot of this is explained better and more coherently in the OP, by the by!)



Perhaps the biggest thing in this generation is Pokemon Amie. In which you can fuss, high-five, feed and play with your Pokemon. This, aside from the interaction itself being a step beyond whatever we've had previous, also gives you in battle-effects like increased XP, dodging, criticals and the ability to shake off status effects and so on, as well as different messages during battle, which really helps build the bond up between you and your Pokemon.

[Terazul]

Only one Pokémon of any given species, can't put more than one enemy to sleep at a time. (If they use Rest, that's an exception, I believe.)

Yeah. You can only put one member of the opponent's team asleep at any given time, to prevent people from just Spore'ing everything that gets switched in.

I also vote for Evasion Clause, which is a blanket ban on Double Team/Minimize/Brightpowder/X Veil abilities which are goofy RNG things. Also Moody.
Really just use the Smogon B/W banlist.

[Emperor Ing]

You can have up to 256 in one stat, which translates to 64-point increase.

I've double-checked this three times and in every way I know how. EVs for any one attribute cannot go above 252 in this generation (which is awesome :smallbiggrin:)

[noparlpf]

Yeah. You can only put one member of the opponent's team asleep at any given time, to prevent people from just Spore'ing everything that gets switched in.

I also vote for Evasion Clause, which is a blanket ban on Double Team/Minimize/Brightpowder/X Veil abilities which are goofy RNG things. Also Moody.
Really just use the Smogon B/W banlist.

Yeah, Evasion Clause is more important than Species Clause imo.


I've double-checked this three times and in every way I know how. EVs for any one attribute cannot go above 252 in this generation (which is awesome :smallbiggrin:)

Used to be 255, not 256; it starts at 0.
Capping it at 252 is nice though. Going to 255 because of data reasons was a pain, made counting necessary for maxing stats.

[ZamielVanWeber]

I also vote for Evasion Clause, which is a blanket ban on Double Team/Minimize/Brightpowder/X Veil abilities which are goofy RNG things. Also Moody.
Really just use the Smogon B/W banlist.

I have never seen a good reason to ban evasion. There are an immense number of counters and strategies to deal with it. Paralysis relies heavily on RNG things but Smogon is madly in love with it.

But yes, Moody must go.

[Mando Knight]

I have never seen a good reason to ban evasion. There are an immense number of counters and strategies to deal with it. Paralysis relies heavily on RNG things but Smogon is madly in love with it.

But yes, Moody must go.

Paralysis doesn't rely as much on the RNG (except for ParaFlinch), as its main use is to quarter the enemy's Speed, meaning that even if the enemy isn't immediately stopped by the paralysis, it's destroyed by a wallbreaker or any of a number of slower, bulkier hitters.

[Seerow]

Paralysis doesn't rely as much on the RNG (except for ParaFlinch), as its main use is to quarter the enemy's Speed, meaning that even if the enemy isn't immediately stopped by the paralysis, it's destroyed by a wallbreaker or any of a number of slower, bulkier hitters.

Regardless of its main use, it still obviously has the RNG component.

The only reasoning I've seen for banning evasion is that it adds RNG to the game. But the game has RNG everywhere. I mean by that logic, why not ban low accuracy high power attacks? Or anything with a secondary effect? High crit moves?

I just don't see the distinction. It's fine for players to prefer a metagame that's more predictable (lurking around smogon last few days, there's an inordinate amount of calculations for things like "chance to OHKO/2HKO this list of pokemon"), but if that's what the majority prefers then there's no need for a ban, as most players will gravitate towards that. It's not like evasion is an unstoppable super strategy.

[Terazul]

Paralysis doesn't rely as much on the RNG (except for ParaFlinch), as its main use is to quarter the enemy's Speed, meaning that even if the enemy isn't immediately stopped by the paralysis, it's destroyed by a wallbreaker or any of a number of slower, bulkier hitters.

Compared to having a 30% chance to hit with every 100% Accuracy move, the only counters being low powered "sure hits" or running something with No Guard. Or getting a Taunt off, if you can. I wouldn't count that as "Immense". Reminder that Minimize is +2 Stages since Gen 5.

[Othesemo]

Regardless of its main use, it still obviously has the RNG component.

The only reasoning I've seen for banning evasion is that it adds RNG to the game. But the game has RNG everywhere. I mean by that logic, why not ban low accuracy high power attacks? Or anything with a secondary effect? High crit moves?

I just don't see the distinction. It's fine for players to prefer a metagame that's more predictable (lurking around smogon last few days, there's an inordinate amount of calculations for things like "chance to OHKO/2HKO this list of pokemon"), but if that's what the majority prefers then there's no need for a ban, as most players will gravitate towards that. It's not like evasion is an unstoppable super strategy.

Basically, if you're boosting your evasion, you're giving your opponent a flat chance to fail, no matter what he does. The infamous example is Sand Veil Gliscor with Substitute, Swords Dance and Acrobatics- no matter how clever or metagame savvy your opponent is, there's just a basic percent chance that they'll lose regardless. Since Smogon endeavors to make pokemon competitive (because, frankly, it's anything but without any clauses), that's obviously problematic.

Compare with other 'luck based' strategies, like SwagPlay- I posted a replay of fighting against it a page or two back but, the fact of the matter is, simply switching between two paralyzed pokemon with high physical defense and leftovers will basically nullify the strategy. If you're running some awful team with nothing but sweepers, it'll hurt, but a well balanced team built with longevity in mind can easily deal with it.

Moves like Focus [Miss] and Stone Edge are in the same boat. These moves are only used at their trainer's discretion- they chose to use Focus Blast, knowing that it's the worst move in the game, and any eventual misses are their fault for not using another coverage move instead. Using them is a risk, yes, but it's a calculated risk that can be controlled as the game progresses- I don't lock myself into StoneEdge on my ScarfChomp if I can ever help it. Compare with the aforementioned Sand Veil Gliscor- literally nothing short of starting your own weather can get rid of his boost to evasion.

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Speaking of which, I'm curious what everyone thinks about the Veil abilities now that permanent weather is no longer a thing. Still broken/overcentralizing, or manageable with patience and skill?

[ZamielVanWeber]

Compared to having a 30% chance to hit with every 100% Accuracy move, the only counters being low powered "sure hits" or running something with No Guard. Or getting a Taunt off, if you can. I wouldn't count that as "Immense". Reminder that Minimize is +2 Stages since Gen 5.

And minimize is handed out poorly and would still take 3 turns. A toxic off a poison type would still deal with you handily. OR you can use Clear Smog or the newly buffed Defog. Any phazing move will do as well.

[Othesemo]

And minimize is handed out poorly and would still take 3 turns. A toxic off a poison type would still deal with you handily. OR you can use Clear Smog or the newly buffed Defog. Any phazing move will do as well.

You're thinking of Haze. Defog removes screens and entry hazards.

Also keep in mind that Clear Fog doesn't hit through Substitutes, and Phazing moves, buffed to perfect accuracy as they are, still fail when used against the Magic Bouncer that every good Baton Pass team has.

[noparlpf]

"Good evening, sir. Your meal will be ruined if you don't eat it in exactly three turns. Allow me to force you into a battle and spam Protect."
Somebody's not getting a tip. >:|


Speaking of which, I'm curious what everyone thinks about the Veil abilities now that permanent weather is no longer a thing. Still broken/overcentralizing, or manageable with patience and skill?

Kinda depends on who's using it. Some Pokémon are strong enough that it would be a pain anyway.

[Infernally Clay]

Evasion makes it much too easy to basically never get hit, especially given how easy it is to set up. Take Chansey as the perfect example...

Chansey @Eviolite
- Minimize
- Softboiled
- Toxic
- Seismic Toss

Tell me what immense strategies can defeat that. You would literally be screwed if you didn't have Taunt or Gengar.

[noparlpf]

Evolving all of the things is a pain in the butt. I'm gonna go catch more Ditto with other natures and IVs.

[Aotrs Commander]

Used to be 255, not 256; it starts at 0.
Capping it at 252 is nice though. Going to 255 because of data reasons was a pain, made counting necessary for maxing stats.

Yes, of course. It's 63x4, not 64, isn't it? I can never get that straight.

[Othesemo]

Evasion makes it much too easy to basically never get hit, especially given how easy it is to set up. Take Chansey as the perfect example...

Chansey @Eviolite
- Minimize
- Softboiled
- Toxic
- Seismic Toss

Tell me what immense strategies can defeat that. You would literally be screwed if you didn't have Taunt or Gengar.

Poison/Steel types with reliable recovery will never lose to it, while Phazing, Toxic from a poison type (or lucky non-poison types) or setting up on your own will force it out. Ghost types with Substitute are in the same boat, while any no ghost type with 101 HP substitutes and some recovery will set up to +6 alongside you. Coil Zygarde comes to mind as a perfect counter, being able to boost up to +6 accuracy and sweep your team.

In my opinion, Evasion is at its most dangerous when you have to get this one hit or you'll be swept. Every successive chance you give them to hit you is stacking the deck against yourself- hence why AcroGliscor with Sand Veil is so threatening. It only needs one lucky miss to muscle its way through your team.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Evasion makes it much too easy to basically never get hit, especially given how easy it is to set up. Take Chansey as the perfect example...

Chansey @Eviolite
- Minimize
- Softboiled
- Toxic
- Seismic Toss

Tell me what immense strategies can defeat that. You would literally be screwed if you didn't have Taunt or Gengar.

Clear Smog. Or Toxic (posion types using toxic never miss, even against fly etc). Toxic Spikes work too. The phazing moves. The physical perfect accuracy moves. To name some strategies. (And DeFog does work. It lowers Evasion as its base effect: it is just not a good choice vs minimize).

[Seerow]

Yes, of course. It's 63x4, not 64, isn't it? I can never get that straight.

Actually it's 64x4-1. Because 0 counts as a value that must be stored, so rather than 1-256, it's 0-255.

[Othesemo]

(And DeFog does work. It lowers Evasion as its base effect: it is just not a good choice vs minimize).

Ooooh, you mean like that? I guess. Brings back memories of Growl Miltank.

[Gullara]

Thanks for the answers. (I have no idea why i asked about the sleep clause, because that's one I actually knew. :smalltongue:) Someone mentioned a no items clause earlier? Is that exactly what it sounds like? If so, I might as well not worry about breeding a Hawlucha in the near future, since the build I intended for it requires an item to function.

[Othesemo]

Someone mentioned a no items clause earlier? Is that exactly what it sounds like? If so, I might as well not worry about breeding a Hawlucha in the near future, since the build I intended for it requires an item to function.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Items Clause is a clause that Nintendo enforces at it's tournaments which says that every team can only have one of each item- one Leftovers, one Choice Band, etcetera. No Item Clause is just the absence of that rule.

[OracleofWuffing]

Thanks for the answers. (I have no idea why i asked about the sleep clause, because that's one I actually knew. :smalltongue:) Someone mentioned a no items clause earlier? Is that exactly what it sounds like? If so, I might as well not worry about breeding a Hawlucha in the near future, since the build I intended for it requires an item to function.
Not "No item clause," but no "Item clause." Item clause is that no two pokemon can hold the same item. We (and most people not in certain Nintendo-sanctioned tournaments) toss that clause out of the window and say you can have duplicates of the same item on the team.

Speaking of all the evasion counters, Keen Eye also got a buff this generation and now ignores evasion boosts. I don't know if that's enough yet, but it really feels like they've been trying to take evasion down a notch a little bit each gen.

[Infernally Clay]

Clear Smog. Or Toxic (posion types using toxic never miss, even against fly etc). Toxic Spikes work too. The phazing moves. The physical perfect accuracy moves. To name some strategies. (And DeFog does work. It lowers Evasion as its base effect: it is just not a good choice vs minimize).

Only Magmortar, Garbodor, Amoongus and Weezing can learn Clear Smog and even through breeding the only good user is Gengar (who would never waste a slot on it). Toxic is good but takes too long, plus Softboiled can mitigate the damage while Chansey spreads Toxic around itself. Worse yet, Natural Cure is Chansey's ability and that'll cure the poison.

Haze is really your best option and, in many cases, your only. That's why Evasion is banned. It drags battles out, too, and that's never fun considering most Minimize or Double Team users would be in a stall team anyway.

[Mando Knight]

Aegislash and the Swords of Justice can counter Evasion as well, with Sacred Sword.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Amoongus is a fine user of Clear Smog, as is Gastrodon if you want to mix it up a little. You ignored the existence and utility of phazing moves all together. If I use a Poison type to Toxic your Blissey I am not sure how it is spreading toxic around. And Softboiled can only mititgate the damage once or twice.

Side note: I am having no luckgetting a FS ditto. Everyone who offers one is not giving the 3rd pokemon yet.

Edit: You are right. I forget Sacred Sword/Chip Away ignore evasion boosts.

[Othesemo]

Because I think there should be more replays in this thread, here's a cool one of Clefable doing work against a team with Genesect, Heatran, Landorous and Kyurem-B. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankoubeta-59123478)

[ZeltArruin]

Side note: I am having no luckgetting a FS ditto. Everyone who offers one is not giving the 3rd pokemon yet.

Anyone who has it listed on the front page is offering it, but you both have to be online at the same time once in order for you to find them in the FS.

[OracleofWuffing]

Side note: I am having no luckgetting a FS ditto. Everyone who offers one is not giving the 3rd pokemon yet.
I got two from Elhann's friend safari, one's rash and one's Naughty. If you are online now, could you trade me one of my Marvel Scale Dragonairs for one? If so, could you nickname it and tell me if you want the ditto to be nicknamed?

[ZamielVanWeber]

Let me go catch said Dragonair. I am working on Spiritomb.

[Mando Knight]

Because I think there should be more replays in this thread, here's a cool one of Clefable doing work against a team with Genesect, Heatran, Landorous and Kyurem-B. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankoubeta-59123478)

...That's more of the hazards' doing than Clefable's. Yeah, Clefable laid the rocks, it was the other guy's fault for running a switch-heavy team without spin or defog.

[OracleofWuffing]

I only have one Quick Powder, so lemme know which nature you want (and how you feel on nicknames) and I'll put it on that one.

Looks like Naughty has good HP, Special Attack, and Special Defense IVs (others are around 20). Rash has good Attack, Special Attack, and Speed (HP is around 19, others are around 10).

[ZamielVanWeber]

Rash please. Do these have Imposter or Limber?

Edit: and I am not getting the 3rd mon from you either :s.

[OracleofWuffing]

Imposter, ten characters.

E: We're both online now, so maybe try exiting the safari, save/reload, and re-enter? I thought Sliggoo was my third pokemon, so I don't think it should matter much towards Dragonair, though.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Squiddly please. And Sliggo is so we are fine regardless.

[Othesemo]

...That's more of the hazards' doing than Clefable's. Yeah, Clefable laid the rocks, it was the other guy's fault for running a switch-heavy team without spin or defog.

I mean, I'm running stall. Every win I get is the hazard's doing.

I mostly think it's cool that something as ridiculous as Clefable can actually force out a BW2 Uber.

[OracleofWuffing]

Squiddly please. And Sliggo is so we are fine regardless.
I'm running some other internet errands, so just start a trade with me when you're ready.

[ZamielVanWeber]

I'm running some other internet errands, so just start a trade with me when you're ready.

I found a shiny gabite before I found a marvel skin dragonair. Sad.

Edit: As in I have yet to find an DW ability in your FS.

[Elhann]

Rash please. Do these have Imposter or Limber?

Edit: and I am not getting the 3rd mon from you either :s.

Try again in my safari. I see you conected right now, so my dittos should be available to you.

[ZamielVanWeber]

I see you now too. I might as grab him a dragonair though. It will probably be the first one I find because this is so nightmarish.

Did you want a nickname for it?

[OracleofWuffing]

I found a shiny gabite before I found a marvel skin dragonair.
:smallannoyed: Well, congratulations. :smalltongue:


Did you want a nickname for it?
Yeah, I don't care what it's nicknamed so long as it is nicknamed.

[Mando Knight]

Kyu-B dropped from Übers soon after its introduction. It doesn't get STAB on Fusion Bolt and doesn't get Dragon Dance to turn it into a sweeping monstrosity, and gets shattered by Stealth Rock. It was neutered by trying to set up sub/lefties against a 'mon that could break its substitute. Running a substitute or hit-and-run set without spin support is asking for trouble.

Also, it was Ferrothorn that forced out Kyu-B.

[Othesemo]

Kyu-B dropped from Übers soon after its introduction. It doesn't get STAB on Fusion Bolt and doesn't get Dragon Dance to turn it into a sweeping monstrosity, and gets shattered by Stealth Rock. It was neutered by trying to set up sub/lefties against a 'mon that could break its substitute. Running a substitute or hit-and-run set without spin support is asking for trouble.

Also, it was Ferrothorn that forced out Kyu-B.

I was referring to Genesect. Though, yeah, Ferrothorn is a boss too.

[Mando Knight]

Your opponent mishandled Genesect even more, being too quick to pull it out for Heatran when Ferrothorn came out swinging Power Whip.

Also, your opponent apparently hadn't learned that "perfect" Gen V movesets don't work as well in Gen VI. STAB Flash Cannon or Iron Head would have broken Clefable, but is frequently passed over for other attacks in Gen V simply because the bulky Fairies simply weren't Fairy-typed then.

[Derjuin]

Phew...finally, after 200+ ultra balls thrown, I've collected a Ditto of EVERY nature. Adamant was the last to be gotten, of course; just before that it was Modest, then Jolly and Timid. :smallannoyed:

Ah well. Time to breed!

[noparlpf]

Yes, of course. It's 63x4, not 64, isn't it? I can never get that straight.

It's 2^8. Because data works like that. 0-255. But yeah, you can only get up to 63 stat points from EVs because you can't reach 256.


Phew...finally, after 200+ ultra balls thrown, I've collected a Ditto of EVERY nature. Adamant was the last to be gotten, of course; just before that it was Modest, then Jolly and Timid. :smallannoyed:

Ah well. Time to breed!

I find Quick Balls and/or Repeat Balls work better (and are cheaper) for Ditto.
(I may just be doing the same thing.)

[ZeltArruin]

Phew...finally, after 200+ ultra balls thrown, I've collected a Ditto of EVERY nature. Adamant was the last to be gotten, of course; just before that it was Modest, then Jolly and Timid. :smallannoyed:

Ah well. Time to breed!

Adamant was my last one too, and I had to catch around 100 ditto's to get it. I have 3+ of nearly everything else though. Naughty suspiciously is the most common nature of ditto for me, coincidence?

[ZamielVanWeber]

Repeat Balls cost less and have a 3x catch rate vs ultra's 2x. They are amazing when hunting for a specific pokemon... like this dragonair that I cannot find.

[Othesemo]

Your opponent mishandled Genesect even more, being too quick to pull it out for Heatran when Ferrothorn came out swinging Power Whip.

I assume that my opponent was predicting the switch to clefable, since we were in literally the same situation earlier in the match and I'd switched then. He was outpredicted, but it wasn't a glaring misplay in his part. Once he realized that Ferrothorn was still on the field, Heatran was the safest switch in he had, and prevented me from setting up more than one layer of spikes.



Also, your opponent apparently hadn't learned that "perfect" Gen V movesets don't work as well in Gen VI. STAB Flash Cannon or Iron Head would have broken Clefable, but is frequently passed over for other attacks in Gen V simply because the bulky Fairies simply weren't Fairy-typed then.

Iron Head or no, I don't believe that I ever left Clefable in against Heatran. Why would I? The threat of a Steel STAB notwithstanding, Heatran is either immune or 4x resistant to both of my attacks, and I had already set up SR. Besides, given that my default switch was to Slowbro, I doubt that Flash Cannon would have been any help at all.

Never mind, I get what you were saying. Yeah, that would have been a good choice on his part.

[noparlpf]

Repeat Balls cost less and have a 3x catch rate vs ultra's 2x. They are amazing when hunting for a specific pokemon... like this dragonair that I cannot find.

My tactic for catching Ditto (or other things I already have) is Quick Ball, then failing that, False Swipe and Repeat Ball. I catch Ditto and females in Luxury Balls or Quick Balls though because I don't like the look of a Repeat Ball.

Edit:

Adamant was my last one too, and I had to catch around 100 ditto's to get it. I have 3+ of nearly everything else though. Naughty suspiciously is the most common nature of ditto for me, coincidence?

My Adamant Ditto was #14 (not counting the one from Wonder Trade). :smalltongue:

[Terazul]

My tactic for catching Ditto (or other things I already have) is Quick Ball, then failing that, False Swipe and Repeat Ball. I catch Ditto and females in Luxury Balls or Quick Balls though because I don't like the look of a Repeat Ball.
:

This was my tactic as well. Ironically, I got the big Adamant/Modest/Jolly/Timid first... I actually have a couple rows of extras sitting around in boxes. I didn't catch a single Careful one until I bred a Ralts with Synchronize for it. :smallannoyed:

[noparlpf]

This was my tactic as well. Ironically, I got the big Adamant/Modest/Jolly/Timid first... I actually have a couple rows of extras sitting around in boxes. I didn't catch a single Careful one until I bred a Ralts with Synchronize for it. :smallannoyed:

Yeah, I have several Jolly ones and at least one Timid. Not sure about Modest.

[Gandariel]

Have i ever mentioned i hate Sableye? (And Cresselia, for that matter)

THIS (http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-pokebankubersbeta-59234030) is the most annoying game i've ever played. And i even WON it. After 60 neverending turns of struggle and almost losing because of confusion, after wanting to ragequit a LOT of times, i somehow managed to get the win in this game. you MUST watch it.

[Gullara]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Items Clause is a clause that Nintendo enforces at it's tournaments which says that every team can only have one of each item- one Leftovers, one Choice Band, etcetera. No Item Clause is just the absence of that rule.


Not "No item clause," but no "Item clause." Item clause is that no two pokemon can hold the same item. We (and most people not in certain Nintendo-sanctioned tournaments) toss that clause out of the window and say you can have duplicates of the same item on the team.

Speaking of all the evasion counters, Keen Eye also got a buff this generation and now ignores evasion boosts. I don't know if that's enough yet, but it really feels like they've been trying to take evasion down a notch a little bit each gen.

Ah, right then. That's much better. It's funny, I pretty much knew that these rules existed already, I just never made the connection with the terms. :smalltongue: (Though the Evasion Clause is a new one to me.)


Phew...finally, after 200+ ultra balls thrown, I've collected a Ditto of EVERY nature. Adamant was the last to be gotten, of course; just before that it was Modest, then Jolly and Timid. :smallannoyed:

Ah well. Time to breed!

Yeeep. Got 59 Dittos kicking around now from that venture. :smalltongue: It is really nice for the sake of having my pick of IV combinations, though.

I have all my dittos named with their nature and then two or three digits from 1 to 6 indicating what each one's maxed IVs are.
eg. "Adamant 13" for an Adamant Ditto with maxed HP and Defense.

I need to go back and identify which of my Dittos has rock bottom Speed, though. I know there's at least one, and I forgot to do it at the time. It'd be handy for, say, Gyroball Ferrothorn breeding.

[Othesemo]

Have i ever mentioned i hate Sableye? (And Cresselia, for that matter)

THIS (http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-pokebankubersbeta-59234030) is the most annoying game i've ever played. And i even WON it. After 60 neverending turns of struggle and almost losing because of confusion, after wanting to ragequit a LOT of times, i somehow managed to get the win in this game. you MUST watch it.

Smogon Rooms expire after 15 minutes- to share a replay, you have to press the button beneath the interface, which I did. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankubersbeta-59234030)

Still though, awesome replay. God, your opponent was an idiot, though. Was he unaware that you cannot paralyze a burned pokemon?

[NineThePuma]

Have i ever mentioned i hate Sableye? (And Cresselia, for that matter)

THIS (http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-pokebankubersbeta-59234030) is the most annoying game i've ever played. And i even WON it. After 60 neverending turns of struggle and almost losing because of confusion, after wanting to ragequit a LOT of times, i somehow managed to get the win in this game. you MUST watch it.

Fixed link. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankubersbeta-59234030)

In the future, do not link directly to the battle, instead link to a replay.

[Infernally Clay]

I finally evolved my Protean Frogadier. Decided to run with Grass Knot, Scald, Dark Pulse and Ice Beam for now. It's really fun to use. :D

[Gandariel]

Thanks to both of you guys for the replay thing :)

Yeah, i think the enemy supposed i was going to switch, so he could do T-Wave => Pain split.

Anyways, DAT GAME.
I won because his Cresselia finished his PPs on Moonlight while i still had some Roost left.

By the way: I need to switch things up in my team, i'm missing several important things. Any suggestions?

Current team:
Multiscale + Weakness Policy = So much WIN. Lugia with this is incredibly strong. I'm definitely keeping him. (i had dragon tail, but i can't phaze away Xerneas with it)
Lugia @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 88 Def / 164 SDef
Calm Nature
- Ice Beam
- Aeroblast
- Roost
- Whirlwind

Huge powerhouse. Could switch him, though.
Mewtwo @ Mewtwonite Y
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Psystrike
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam
- Aura Sphere

LOL. Arceus is so good. I often win games with him alone. Lum berry is awesome because when the opponent leads with Darkrai i can use Swords dance when he uses Dark void, and then kill him in one shot with Extremespeed
Arceus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Brick Break
- Shadow Claw
- Swords Dance

Very good and useful against lots of enemies. Also 2HKOs Mewtwo with Shadow Sneak, which is always good.
Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SDef / 108 HP / 148 SAtk
Gentle Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Tail
- Shadow Sneak
- Will-O-Wisp

Not particularly happy with him, i can switch him. Last move is a tossup between Night slash and Brave bird.
Blaziken @ Blazikenite
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Flare Blitz
- High Jump Kick
- Night Slash

Another guy i'm not letting go of. Stupidly strong. Almost always takes one enemy down before dying.
Deoxys-Attack @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 88 Atk / 168 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Psycho Boost
- Ice Beam
- Superpower

[noparlpf]

Alright, pretty sure I've now added everybody on the list. So y'all should add me back. I'll probably clear out the remaining provisional registrations over the weekend.

[Gullara]

Yeeees. After so many eggs, I now have not one, but two hidden ability Shroomish with 5 perfect IVs. One each of male or female, so they'll be perfect for future breeding. :smallbiggrin:

[Seerow]

So I'm coming around to the opinion that the rotation battles are far more effective for experience gain when leveling a full team.

Opens up room for 1 more slot on the team, and 2 of the 5 get full experience without having to waste a turn switching out or ever being at risk. It allows much easier use of lucky egg or whatever other exp boosters are out there for those two. Great for those annoying pokemon that require level 40-50 to hit max evolution. Even if the fights take a bit longer, the exp gain per fight seems to counteract the time increase.

[noparlpf]

So I'm coming around to the opinion that the rotation battles are far more effective for experience gain when leveling a full team.

Opens up room for 1 more slot on the team, and 2 of the 5 get full experience without having to waste a turn switching out or ever being at risk. It allows much easier use of lucky egg or whatever other exp boosters are out there for those two. Great for those annoying pokemon that require level 40-50 to hit max evolution. Even if the fights take a bit longer, the exp gain per fight seems to counteract the time increase.

Yeah, I've been using the rotation battles in Le Wow today and finding it much easier to get perfect matches as well as the other benefits.

[Seerow]

Yeah, I've been using the rotation battles in Le Wow today and finding it much easier to get perfect matches as well as the other benefits.

Eh I still don't like them for perfect battles, but I already got my perfect battle for the star, and have more money than I am ever likely to spend (around 2million after buying out everything of interest from the boutique, all of the megastones, around 100 of every pokeball, etc), so I can deal with getting less profit. Honestly if the Sushi restaurant let me even break even I'd go there, because I'm sure the exp is marginally better, just not enough better to justify spending 200k instead of gaining 150k.

[noparlpf]

Eh I still don't like them for perfect battles, but I already got my perfect battle for the star, and have more money than I am ever likely to spend (around 2million after buying out everything of interest from the boutique, all of the megastones, around 100 of every pokeball, etc), so I can deal with getting less profit. Honestly if the Sushi restaurant let me even break even I'd go there, because I'm sure the exp is marginally better, just not enough better to justify spending 200k instead of gaining 150k.

Personal taste then. I find it a bit easier. Not that the few Balm Mushrooms difference makes a big difference. I got all the clothes several days ago, and all the shop TMs last week.

[Qwertystop]

Eh I still don't like them for perfect battles, but I already got my perfect battle for the star, and have more money than I am ever likely to spend (around 2million after buying out everything of interest from the boutique, all of the megastones, around 100 of every pokeball, etc), so I can deal with getting less profit. Honestly if the Sushi restaurant let me even break even I'd go there, because I'm sure the exp is marginally better, just not enough better to justify spending 200k instead of gaining 150k.

I'd say if you don't care about money, you could just go to the Sushi place once per two rounds at... whichever you're gaining 150k at, since you've got so much disposable money anyway.

[Gullara]

*pokes around, preparing for Breloom*

...

They didn't! Low Sweep is now 65 base power, so no more Technician boost. >.< Going to have to go with Force Palm I guess... Or maybe Swords Dance. I don't even know.

[noparlpf]

*pokes around, preparing for Breloom*

...

They didn't! Low Sweep is now 65 base power, so no more Technician boost. >.< Going to have to go with Force Palm I guess... Or maybe Swords Dance. I don't even know.

Power-Up Punch?

[Rakaydos]

So, where can I find a Choice Scarf in X/Y?

And has anyone tested the viability of Choice Scarf/Dragon Tail? What would be the best pokemon for that tactic? (I'm thinking either Flygon for STAB with high base speed, or Heliolisk for raw speed)

[Seerow]

*pokes around, preparing for Breloom*

...

They didn't! Low Sweep is now 65 base power, so no more Technician boost. >.< Going to have to go with Force Palm I guess... Or maybe Swords Dance. I don't even know.

What's the rest of your moveset?

But yeah I do like either Force Palm or Mach Punch. Force Palm is definitely your strongest attack option, but Mach Punch works great as a finisher for any 'mons faster than you.

[noparlpf]

So, where can I find a Choice Scarf in X/Y?

And has anyone tested the viability of Choice Scarf/Dragon Tail? What would be the best pokemon for that tactic? (I'm thinking either Flygon for STAB with high base speed, or Heliolisk for raw speed)

I'm pretty sure it's at the Battle Maison for 32 bp ish.

[Terazul]

I'm pretty sure it's at the Battle Maison for 32 bp ish.

Dragon Tail is strictly -6 Priority, so it doesn't matter how fast you are. You're going last.

[noparlpf]

Dragon Tail is strictly -6 Priority, so it doesn't matter how fast you are. You're going last.

Oh yeah, that. Well the Choice thingies are still at the Battle place.

[Rakaydos]

Dragon Tail is strictly -6 Priority, so it doesn't matter how fast you are. You're going last.

Arg. Dumb priority rules.

[Aotrs Commander]

Huzzah, name rater! Now Jubilance, Feniseca and Acrid Blight can get nicknamed properly, as is their due!

[AstralFire]

On victory road with mid-50s... One or another on my team's getting fainted with regularity by the wilds. The temptation to turn on Exp. Share is high... but I will persist!

[Gullara]

Power-Up Punch?


What's the rest of your moveset?

But yeah I do like either Force Palm or Mach Punch. Force Palm is definitely your strongest attack option, but Mach Punch works great as a finisher for any 'mons faster than you.

Other moves are:

Mach Punch
Bullet Seed
Spore

Power Up Punch doesn't appeal to me because it's the same power as Mach Punch. But I dunno, it might be worth it. Force Palm seems to be my best alternative otherwise.

[noparlpf]

Other moves are:

Mach Punch
Bullet Seed
Spore

Power Up Punch doesn't appeal to me because it's the same power as Mach Punch. But I dunno, it might be worth it. Force Palm seems to be my best alternative otherwise.

Power-Up Punch with Technician is a decent move, and it gets better every turn. Force Palm is stronger and has a 30% chance to paralyze. I'd try out both (without Mach Punch, temporarily) and see which you end up using more often. Replace the other with Mach Punch.

[Mando Knight]

Other moves are:

Mach Punch
Bullet Seed
Spore

Power Up Punch doesn't appeal to me because it's the same power as Mach Punch. But I dunno, it might be worth it. Force Palm seems to be my best alternative otherwise.

Power-Up Punch is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Sylthia]

On victory road with mid-50s... One or another on my team's getting fainted with regularity by the wilds. The temptation to turn on Exp. Share is high... but I will persist!

Give in to the dark side.


I was surprised that there is no drawback for the XP share now. I had originally thought it would divvy up the total XP, not just give bonus XP to everyone on top of it. I kinda wish it divided what you would have gotten, or make it an option, as it does make the game a bit easy. As much as I love this gen, it is the easiest gen to date.

[noparlpf]

Give in to the dark side.


I was surprised that there is no drawback for the XP share now. I had originally thought it would divvy up the total XP, not just give bonus XP to everyone on top of it. I kinda wish it divided what you would have gotten, or make it an option, as it does make the game a bit easy. As much as I love this gen, it is the easiest gen to date.

Nah. I can beat the E4 in Red in a day.
(Playing on an emulator with speed helps, but I still have a working cartridge and can play there.)

[Aotrs Commander]

Huh. It does help knowing more EVs give you better stuff on the super training...

I can see me using a highyl EV trained Pokemon to spam good bags for the ones I get later...!

Actually, the super training is kind addictive once you get your eye in. I can see my Pokemon will be all maxed out before I hit level 20, Pokemon Amie-wise too...!

[noparlpf]

Huh. It does help knowing more EVs give you better stuff on the super training...

I can see me using a highyl EV trained Pokemon to spam good bags for the ones I get later...!

Actually, the super training is kind addictive once you get your eye in. I can see my Pokemon will be all maxed out before I hit level 20, Pokemon Amie-wise too...!

Unfortunately, you can only hold twelve bags at a time. By the time you've trained a new Pokémon with twelve large bags, you may as well start using them in Super Training themselves.

[Aotrs Commander]

Unfortunately, you can only hold twelve bags at a time. By the time you've trained a new Pokémon with twelve large bags, you may as well start using them in Super Training themselves.

Yeah, but it'll get a good long way to getting started to the point I can easily crump level 2 super training which isn't too hard for me...!

[Seerow]

Unfortunately, you can only hold twelve bags at a time. By the time you've trained a new Pokémon with twelve large bags, you may as well start using them in Super Training themselves.

Well 12 large bags is 144 EVs. Toss them 10 vitamins ahead of time, and bam you've already nearly maxed out a stat. (1 level 2 run away from finishing)

Then yeah, go ahead and just use that pokemon for the other half of his super training, because having 1 maxed out stat makes level 1/2 a breeze even if you are bad at it, and 3 is manageable if you're not.

[noparlpf]

Yeah, but it'll get a good long way to getting started to the point I can easily crump level 2 super training which isn't too hard for me...!

Just wanted to point out you couldn't get them all the way up at one go. I find it's easier to just give them a few vitamins first (2BP each is pretty cheap, or buy them from the shop, but I forgot which shop it is), then do Super Training and use the bags they find themselves.

[Aotrs Commander]

Must...resist... urge to make...comment... about how after SpA super training, Pikachu's yellow balls are amazing...

Not... resisting... well...!

Especially since Jubilance is a girl.

[AstralFire]

Must...resist... urge to make...comment... about how after SpA super training, Pikachu's yellow balls are amazing...

Not... resisting... well...!

Especially since Jubilance is a girl.

Not sure whether to laugh or to facepalm.

I thought I'd add in a little anecdote. I came across a Jigglypuff a few hours ago. I did not want to break it with my EV trained Snorlax, so I threw Power-up Punch at Jiggly (as fighting is now neutral on her.) This was fine, it sent her down to 40% or so HP, all is well and good. I chose well.

Except she used Mimic.

And she refused to stay in her Ultra Balls.

She KO'ed four of my party by spamming Power-Up Punch and Wake-Up Slap. :C

[NineThePuma]

Not sure whether to laugh or to facepalm.

I thought I'd add in a little anecdote. I came across a Jigglypuff a few hours ago. I did not want to break it with my EV trained Snorlax, so I threw Power-up Punch at Jiggly (as fighting is now neutral on her.) This was fine, it sent her down to 40% or so HP, all is well and good. I chose well.

Except she used Mimic.

And she refused to stay in her Ultra Balls.

She KO'ed four of my party by spamming Power-Up Punch and Wake-Up Slap. :C

I had something similar happen with the Grotto Mincinno in B2.

[Qwertystop]

On a related note to the bit about holding back Mega Evolution:

What about having mutiple mega-ready pokemon on your team and picking one based on what you're up against? How many are there that are viable with or without (just better with), or versatile such that you could do different things either way?

[Infernally Clay]

*pokes around, preparing for Breloom*

...

They didn't! Low Sweep is now 65 base power, so no more Technician boost. >.< Going to have to go with Force Palm I guess... Or maybe Swords Dance. I don't even know.

I just caught a Breloom of my own. It has Poison Heal instead of Technician, so I'm thinking of going with Drain Punch, Leech Seed, Spore and Swords Dance and giving it a Toxic Orb to hold.

[Othesemo]

On a related note to the bit about holding back Mega Evolution:

What about having mutiple mega-ready pokemon on your team and picking one based on what you're up against? How many are there that are viable with or without (just better with), or versatile such that you could do different things either way?

It's a possibility but, frankly, items are too damn useful in this game to pass one up. Life Orb Gengar hits about as hard as MegaGar, but a Gengar with no functional item is going to be inferior to nearly anything else you could have in that slot.

[AstralFire]

On a related note to the bit about holding back Mega Evolution:

What about having mutiple mega-ready pokemon on your team and picking one based on what you're up against? How many are there that are viable with or without (just better with), or versatile such that you could do different things either way?

You can easily have access to Blaziken, Kanto Starter, Ampharos, Lucario, Gengar and Abomasnow pre-E4, and all are Megas that have at least somewhat usable non-Mega forms. Abomasnow is probably the hardest to work with of those. Ampharos has my favorite Mega in terms of how it changes the normal gameplay, since Dragon typing lands him with two new weaknesses and a host of resistances - I have to use my brain now and then, while there is very rarely or never a downside to going Mega with Blaziken, Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise or Lucario. Somewhat rarely a downside to Gengar. Abomasnow I have no opinion on, I see "super weak to my very favorite type and weak to several other favorites" and just obliterate them, but I believe that one is also a radical change.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean for story play.

[Emperor Ing]

With Abomasnow it depends how important Hail is to you. Anything less, and you're stuck with a 'mon who has pathetic speed and a hilarious number of extremely common weaknesses. As far as I know, Snow Warning is the only thing that keeps Abomasnow from being NU Tier, if not Little Cup material.

[Gullara]

I just caught a Breloom of my own. It has Poison Heal instead of Technician, so I'm thinking of going with Drain Punch, Leech Seed, Spore and Swords Dance and giving it a Toxic Orb to hold.

Some decent moves, but you'll probably be hurting for a coverage move. I'd probably ditch Leech Seed. You're going to have lots of healing between Poison heal and Drain Punch anyway. Seed Bomb would be more choice of move to replace it. Another STAB, and one that can smack around Water types.