Taking 10 on saving throws

[bot]

Are anyone aware of any item, feat, prestige class that allows to take 10 on saving throws?

Or how about similar which continuously replace a skill check with f.x. will save?

[Emperor Tippy]

Aura of Perfect Order from ToB, get's to take 11 on any d20 roll it wants once per round.

Get it with a 1 level dip in Crusader and Scholar Devoted Spirit Amulet or just spend 24K GP to get a Scholar Devoted Spirit Amulet with two Novice versions of the amulet added on under the MIC rules (or spend 27K for the Novice versions to be slotless).

[Chronos]

You can't pick up Aura of Perfect Order from a 1-level dip unless you're epic or already have some ToB prestige class levels: It's level 6, meaning you need an initiator level of 11, which (with only one level in Crusader) means 20 other class levels.

[Stux]

You can't pick up Aura of Perfect Order from a 1-level dip unless you're epic or already have some ToB prestige class levels: It's level 6, meaning you need an initiator level of 11, which (with only one level in Crusader) means 20 other class levels.

That is what the amulet is for. It does work!

Level 7 you can pull this off assuming standard WBL and a willingness to blow 3/4 of your wealth on it.

[Emperor Tippy]

You can't pick up Aura of Perfect Order from a 1-level dip unless you're epic or already have some ToB prestige class levels: It's level 6, meaning you need an initiator level of 11, which (with only one level in Crusader) means 20 other class levels.

Yeah you can. 1 level dip gets you the prerequisite 2 maneuvers for Devoted Spirit and then a Scholar Devoted Spirit Amulet gets you the stance.

[Sith_Happens]

Yeah you can. 1 level dip gets you the prerequisite 2 maneuvers for Devoted Spirit and then a Scholar Devoted Spirit Amulet gets you the stance.

...Wait, is this that "minimum initiator level =/= prerequisite" argument again?:smallannoyed:

[GreenETC]

One of the best ways to do this is find a way to Take 10 on Concentration, either by the Steady Concentration feat or Skill Mastery from Rogue/Exemplar, and then picking up the Diamond Mind maneuvers Mind Over Body, Action Before Thought, and Moment of Perfect Mind, letting you make an immediate action to replace your save with a Concentration check, which is automatically ranks + skill boosters + Con + 10, which should pretty much save against almost anything but the most optimized spell DCs.

Then pick up Stance of Alacrity, the 8th level Diamond Mind Stance, which allows you to take an immediate action for a counter once per round without using an action, meaning you can do it twice per round. Warblade probably does it best, since they can more easily get the maneuvers back, though doing some finagling to get them onto a Crusader isn't half bad either, since you can also get Aura of Perfect Order to Take 11 once a round on top of that.

[Emperor Tippy]

...Wait, is this that "minimum initiator level =/= prerequisite" argument again?:smallannoyed:

MIL is not a prerequisite. Prerequisite is a game defined turn that has its own line in maneuver descriptions and per RAW that is all that the Crown of White Ravens (and its variants) requires that its users meet to benefit from said item. Page 44 clearly lays out Level and Prerequisite as different things.

The Crown bypasses the level requirement, it doesn't bypass the prerequisite requirement.

[Stux]

Whats more the item description specifically states that it is designed in part to allow non-iniators to access stances and maneuvers. If level were a requirement then this would never be possible.

[Deophaun]

If level were a requirement then this would never be possible.
Not true:

If you lack any martial adept levels, your initiator level is equal to 1/2 your character level.
A 20th level fighter has an IL of 10. If IL were a pre-req, he would be able to gain 5th-level maneuvers from these items.

[Stux]

Not true:

A 20th level fighter has an IL of 10. If IL were a pre-req, he would be able to gain 5th-level maneuvers from these items.

Irrelevant. Under a manuever's level field it doesn't state iniator level, it states class level. For example: Disarming Strike 'Warblade 2'.

A level 4 Fighter is a level 2 iniator, but they are not a level 2 Warblade.

[Crake]

Is it just me, or does the item specify maneuver, and not stance. The two are, mechanics wise, different things after all. You cant take a stance in place of a maneuver and vice versa. To me, it seems you would not be able to take a stance with the amulet.

[Emperor Tippy]

Is it just me, or does the item specify maneuver, and not stance. The two are, mechanics wise, different things after all. You cant take a stance in place of a maneuver and vice versa. To me, it seems you would not be able to take a stance with the amulet.

No, stances are a subset of maneuvers. This is stated multiple times in the rules.

Check page 5 of ToB for the rules definition of a Stance. It's first line is "A stance is a special type of maneuver."

[GreenETC]

Irrelevant. Under a manuever's level field it doesn't state iniator level, it states class level. For example: Disarming Strike 'Warblade 2'.
This is entirely wrong, by the way. The level of a maneuver is dictated to be the IL requirement for it, as per the chart on page 39 of Tome of Battle.

And Tippy is entirely correct. A stance is a special type of maneuver, though I'm unsure of if this has bad implications of allowing a character to select a stance as a maneuver from leveling in a ToB class, though.