Deja FU!!!

[Druid_lord]

I was wondering if someone could create a stlye of monk similair to Lu-ze from thief of time. Maybe a Deja fu artist's attacks hit twice as they stike in the past AND present for a special ability. I thank anyone for any time they spend on this.

[The Vorpal Tribble]

There is a 'Monk of Time' type PrC in Complete Psionic called the Zerth Cenobite, one of the few redeeming bits of the book.

Along with doing similiar to what you wanted, being able to perform extra movements or attacks in the same round, you can move backwards and forwards in time, move so swiftly no one else can see you, get insight bonuses, and my favorite is you can slug someone so hard they go flying into the future.

[Beelzebub1111]

Speaking of monk styles...is there anything like Houkto no Ken? from Fist of the North Star? Lots of attacks with a less damage and attack bonus but maybe extra monk death strikes per day? or a death effect if all the attacks hit an increased AC?

[icke]

If You want to create anything that comes close to Lu-Tze, You'll have to start epic. Also, more than eighty percent of Lu-Tze's "combat style" are
1) knowing how to avoid combat
2) knowing how people react and counter beforehand
3) Terry Pratchett's script advantage

[Captain van der Decken]

I was wondering about this, and the class VT mentioned seems to fit the bill.

[Yuki Akuma]

Lu-Tze approaches combat similar to the way witches approach magic.

That is, he can do it, but he prefers not to.

And Lu-Tze doesn't really strike me as an epic character. Mid-to-high, sure, but not epic.

[Captain van der Decken]

I just found this (http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~leirbakk/rpg/adnd/classesandkits/3e_hiddenteachings.html). Wonder if it's legal though, seeing as it's not in the Complete Psionic excerpt.

[icke]

And Lu-Tze doesn't really strike me as an epic character. Mid-to-high, sure, but not epic.

First: Pratchett doesn't have levels. Even if he had, since Lu-Tze doesn't use his power, how can You be sure?

Second: He builds mountains and Kingdoms. He is a living legend to every other history monk.

What is that if not epic?

[danielf]

Deja vu? hehehe

[The Demented One]

I just found this (http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/%7Eleirbakk/rpg/adnd/classesandkits/3e_hiddenteachings.html). Wonder if it's legal though, seeing as it's not in the Complete Psionic excerpt.
It is legal, because it's not the same Zerth Cenobite from CP. Different classes, same name.

[Druid_lord]

I ahve another monk question related to monks. Could someone (without cuasing a fight) outline the basic points of both sides of the monks are over/underpowered arguement.

[Yuki Akuma]

Basically: Monks need to spend twice as much as anyone else to get their main weapons (their fists) as good as the fighter's main weapon (and even then it requires a non-core item). Monks suffer from heavy MAD (Multiple Ability Dependency), so in a point-buy game their important stats will be lower than the fighter's.

Also, most of their special abilities revolve around surviving, and not actually hurting the enemy. They make a great survivalist class, but they're not good at much else.

And 2d10 damage isn't much when you can't Power Attack with it.

[magic8BALL]

...but you can power attack with it. Just you wouldn't, becouse you BAB is lower than a fighters... or is that what you were saying..?

[Yuki Akuma]

Unarmed Strikes are light weapons. Power Attacking with them would just lower your to-hit without increasing your damage.

[icke]

On the other hand, they've got a whole bunch of usefull special abilities for combat and noncombat situations. The problem is, everyone compares the monk to the fighter and whines that it's too weak, forgetting the fact that the monk is NOT made to outshine the fighter in melee.

[Matthew]

Unarmed Strikes are light weapons. Power Attacking with them would just lower your to-hit without increasing your damage.

No Yuki, Unarmed Strike is specifically singled out as working with Power Attack, along with Natural Attack.


POWER ATTACK [General]

Prerequisite: Strength 13.
Benefit: On your action, before making attack rolls (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#attackRoll) for a round, you may choose to subtract a number from all melee attack rolls and add the same number to all melee damage rolls. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus. The penalty on attacks and bonus on damage apply until your next turn.
Special: If you attack with a two-handed weapon, or with a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands, instead add twice the number subtracted from your attack rolls (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#attackRoll). You can’t add the bonus from Power Attack to the damage dealt with a light weapon (except with unarmed strikes (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#unarmedStrike) or natural weapon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#naturalWeapons) attacks), even though the penalty on attack rolls still applies. (Normally, you treat a double weapon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#doubleWeapons) as a one-handed weapon and a light weapon. If you choose to use a double weapon like a two-handed weapon, attacking with only one end of it in a round, you treat it as a two-handed weapon.) A fighter (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/fighter.htm) may select Power Attack as one of his fighter bonus feats.

It's all part of the needless complexity of the 3.5 revision (back in 3.0 it worked with all weapons 1:1 and it still bloody should work with all Light Weapons!).

[magic8BALL]

On the other hand, they've got a whole bunch of usefull special abilities for combat and noncombat situations. The problem is, everyone compares the monk to the fighter and whines that it's too weak, forgetting the fact that the monk is NOT made to outshine the fighter in melee.

yeah, compare them out of melee and everyone whines that the fighter has no skills, and should get more abilities...

[Yuki Akuma]

What?

God I hate those stupid rules exceptions...

[magic8BALL]

What?

God I hate those stupid rules exceptions...

personally, I love them.

Monk: "Well, seeing as your still prone from last round, I will Power Attack your face with all billion or so of my attacks, as per the rule... ready?"

[Matthew]

What?

God I hate those stupid rules exceptions...

Heh. That's the bread and butter of 3.x! Rules and exceptions to them. I know what you mean, though.

[icke]

yeah, compare them out of melee and everyone whines that the fighter has no skills, and should get more abilities...

Which would be overpowering because they're so good at melee... :)

[Captain van der Decken]

It is legal, because it's not the same Zerth Cenobite from CP. Different classes, same name.

Ah, damn. Guess I'll have to get hold of the book.