League of Legends: We will LIV, they will die

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League of Legends: We will LIV, they will die



Welcome! You can sign up for League of Legends here (http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/en/signup/). It's a free MOBA based on Defense of the Ancients.

If it sounds like we're speaking a foreign language in here, the glossary of LoL terms (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_terminology) can help you with that.

We maintain lists of players, sorted by server. If you are not on these lists and would like to be, please post in the thread with the following information in bold: Server (if you don't know it, it's likely the region you're in, but it's worth checking anyway), your Forum Name, and your Summoner Name.

If no reply's been made about adding you after a day or two, first check the lists to see if you've been added, if not, feel free to post again or PM me. Any incorrectly formatted posts will probably be overlooked.

BR Server Huehuehuehuehuehue
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Draken|Draken Frosthand
[/table]

NA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name

0tt3r | 0tt3r
9mm | cwcriner
Adumbration | Benefice
aethernox | joyless
Alemil | Alemil
Alter | AlterForm
Anarion | Anarion55
Anonomuss | OpticalSage
Antonok | Antonok
Arbitrarity | Arbitrarity
ArcanistSupreme | Arcanist Supreme
Archangel Yuki | Yocham
Artanis | LegacyCWAL
assassin89 | nineballcirno
Astrella | Sirroelivan
AtwasAwamps | AtwasAwamps
Aurenthal | Estor
Averis Vol | AverisVol
Baron Corm | Baron Corm
Baxter | Thefettered
BinaryMage | BinaryMage
Bliss Authority | Companion N00b
Blueiji | Blueiji
BobVosh | BobVosh -or- VoshBob
Bookboy | Keledrath
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Caradryan | Ying Quliang
CarpeGuitarrem | CarpeGuitarrem
Castleraven | Castleraven
cdstephens | cdstephens
Chess435 | Chess435
Copacetic | Azbu
Creed | Moarzed
CrnvorousMeece | CarnivorousMeece
Croverus | Croverus
Cute_Riolu | Cute Riolu
Dallas-Dakota | MustacheMan
Dante & Vergil | Raphiezar
Darius Macab | Hawkfrost000
Darth Mario | Darth Mario
Daverin | Daverin
Demotivated | Demotivated
Dentrag2 | Callinectes
dgnslyr | GANKERLagann
Dichotomy | Kaellin
Dire Ferret | Guvna Kit Kit
Djinn in Tonic | The Djinn
Dogmantra | Dogmantra
Don Julio Anejo | Don Julio Anejo
douglas | DouglasM
Doxkid | Doxkid
Dragonus45 | Dragonus45
Drager0 | Drager0
Dragor | Supernaturalist
Draken | Draken Frosthand
DrakeRaids | DrakeRaids057
Dralnu | TomerIsHot
Drizztfan24 | Drizztfan24
dukexx | JacksonHicks
Duos | DapperGuy
Dusk Eclipse | DuskSoul
efdf | efdf
EifieFlare | EifieFlare
Elagune | Chopstyx
Eldariel | Elealar
EndlessWrath | Andurin
Epicfaillol | Ether Master
Errandir | Ramses III
EternalMelon | EternalMelon
faith | Ferrovax101
FantomFang | FantomFang
Farix | Jiin in Tin
Faulty | FaultyClockwork
Fawkes | Count Fawkes
FeverFox | Alcopop
Flagpole | Flagpole
Flarowon | Kruin Avabruc
Flechair | Master Zealot
FleshrakerAbuse | Archdruid21
Folytopo | Folytopo
Forrestfire | Forrestfire15
Frankelshtein | McFinkelstein
Fredaintdead | Fredthefighter
Freudianship | LeiteaSalk
Gallus | Anechois
Geigan | Geigan
Giant Panda | Le Shirrif
gimliggamer | Wizard Warlock
Gizladlo | Gizladlo
glemis | glemis
Godskook | Bethor Kookalian
Gourtox | Gourtox
Gruffard | Gruffard
Grytorm
hamiltond465 | Duodecimus
Hanuman | HanumanXoO
Happy Gravity | Deimosaur
Hatevah | Hatevah
heronbpv|Sérpico
Holocron Coder | Holocron
Incomp | Incomp
InyutheBeatIs | Believe Inyu
Istari | IstariK
Ivellius | Ivellius
Jamin | CapZich
JKTrickster | ZenTrickster
Joran | Jorana
KaizoMK | KaizoMK
Kara Kuro | RaptorKitty
Kciemir | Ghostface Ki11ah
Kettle | Kettle747
king.com | kingcom
Kinslayer | HaunterReqiuem
Kirbot | Kirbot
kmchii | kmchii
knightMARE|Sir Wiffleston
Kopaka | Portent
Kotarus | Adrameleck
Kwazey | Kwazey
Lansky | Blurbie
Laudandus | Laudandus
LegoShrimp | LegoShrimp
LightWraith | TheLightWraith
Lil Shiro | Mizz Mitchell
litewarior | litewarior
Lonely Tylenol | If I Had a Hifi
Lord Generic | Lord Generic
LordShotGun | LordShotGun
LostEnder | LostEnder
Low-Key | TheFuzziestBear
Lunix Vandal|Lunix Vandal
lvl 1 sharnian | StarryEagle
Lyxie | Lyxie
Maeglin_Dubh | Tycho Velius
Makensha | Jarbis
MammonAzrael | MammonAzrael
Manticoran | Manticoran
Maryring | Skilvrel
MasatoHyuga | MasatoHyuga
Master_Rahl22 | Goltoth
master256 | QWERTYSTOP
Math_Mage | Mathmage
Mattarias, King. | Mattarias
Malmagor Andrigal | Madmal
Maxios | Maxios20
McCerberus | MCerberus
McDougal | McDouggal
Meatshield#236 | Meatshield236
Merellis | Merellis
Mike_the_Mystic | Kraemer
Milskidasith | Milskidasith
Mindfreak586 | Mindfreak586
Mirrinus | Parallaxal
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
Moklok | KokoBWare
Mr. Mud | Proposal
mrcarter11 | Mrcarter11
mrzomby | mrzomby
Mtg_player_zach | MtgPlayerZach
Mushroom Ninja | Mushroom Ninja
Mutant Bunny | WhollySpart
Nadevoc | Xenik
Nanoblack | IwearSILLYhats
Nargan | Naryuk
Necroticplague | Yamidamian
Neoseanster | Neoseanster
NeoVid | NeoVid
Nerocite | Nerocite
neXianXavia | neXianXavia
NoobForHire | NoobF0rHire
NotAEvilToaster | NeonPie
oblivion6 | warcrown10
Octopus Jack | Thalric
Olinser | Olinser
One Tin Soldier | beelzebubcbgptch
Otomodachi | Cyfarfod
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
Perkinz|Perkinz
PersonMan | Nsev
Pie Guy | Qwazes
pilvento | Kandrass
PhantomFox | PhantomFox7
PhoeKun | PhoeKun
Poison Fish | Baron Von Flib
Postmodernist | Postmodernist
Protecar | Godreig
Protecar | Atk
Psychotic | SquirrelFish
Qaera | Qaera
ragingrage | ragingrage
Raistlin1040 | Sanevale
Rama | Nargus
Raroy | setokaibasmt
RationalGoblin | AtillathePun
Raven444 | Iskandarl
Reinboom| Riot Reinboom
Raveypoos | Rhaviewoos
recklessabaddon | recklessabaddon
revolver kobold | A Magic Kobold
Reynard | Duke Reynington
Sallera | Sallera
Saveducks | ElGrandisimo
Serpentine | Lady Serpentine
Shades of Gray | PierreAbelard
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker65
Shadowleaf | Shadowdancing
Shadow Lord | ShadowLordgiantitp
Shadowy | DJPON3Vinyl
ShortOne | LittlePoppy
SidCoolios | Irazel
Silverraptor | Silverraptor
Siosilvar | Siosilvar
Sircarp | Sircarp
SirSigfried | LibertarianSDR
Slash_712 | Catfud
sofawall | sofawall
sonofzeal | sonofzeal
St. Viers | St.Viers
Starfols | Starfols
Starswords | Starswords
SuperPanda | Lokilar
TalonDemonKing | TalonDemonKing
TechnOkami | TechnOkami
Temotei | Temotei221
Terazul | Allegretto
term1nally s1ck | silverdevilboy
tesla_pasta | generictownsman
TheAmishPirate | TheAmishPirate
Thanatos 51-50 | Thanatos Erebus
The_Ditto | Ditto11
The_Fiery_Tower | TFT Supports
TheGlowingRogue | I Glow In Dark
Themage | SirPelletheGreat
Thethan | Thethan
The Hellbug | hellbug22
The Rabbler | Paco H Jones
The Shadowmind | The Shadowmind
The Valiant Turtle | Valiant Turtle
Thrantar | Thrantar
Thrawn183 | Thrawnyboy
throtecutter | throtecutter
toasty | toastymow
Thomas Cadrew | DecadentPheonix
Tono | Tono Chou
Treayn | Treayn
tribble | Smallbluedot
Tychris1 | Tychris1
u-gotNOgame | UGNG -or- Sirius Amory
userpay | userpay
Vauron | Vauron
Volatar | The Volatar
Vwulf DeMarcus | NinjaXeq
wandiya | wandiya
Wolf_Haley | Jon Talbain
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Winthur | Seyruun
WyvernLord | WyvernThornKing
woodzyowl | Woodzyowl
XaioTie | Tiefernan
Zabbarot | Zabbarot
Zeful | Zeful
ZeltArruin | ZeltArruin
Zemro | Shivic
ZeroNumerous | ZeroNumerous
Zeteni | Zeteni
Zinc | El Jaun Zinco
zmasterofjersey | GhosTazer
zolga | TheZolga[/table]

EU Server--West
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Acromos | Crannoch
Adumbration | Adumbration
Anonomuss | Anonomuss
Azimov | Sidhe de Athame
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Cheers | Sam vds
Cyborg Mage | Cyborg Mage98
Eldariel | Elealar
Even Human | SlyGuyMcFly
Gauntlet | Isva
HalfDragonCube | giantmudkip
Krazzman | Viskerin
Maryring | Skilvrel
Maxymiuk | Maxymiuk
Mc. Lovin | B1GB1RDB4G3L
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
monkeyboyinc | monkeyboyinc
Morph Bark | Morpheus Bob
Nargan | Naryuk
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
PersonMan | Scarge
Reb46 | Reb46
Reynard | Duke Reyn
Runhidesurvive | Jmack10
Saph | StarSaph
Socratov | Mbutu
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker64
Talesin | Fridgecake
term1nally s1ck | Silverdevilboy
That'd_be_me | AntiLocke
TheGeckoKing | Alpharis Omega
Volatar | VolatarUK
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Ziren | Zirenoid
zolga | MasterZolga[/table]

EU Server--Nordic & East
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Dada | Scrattlebeard
darksolitaire | Darksolitaire
Posca | LDRC
Rockbird | Rockbird
Werekat | Werekat[/table]

EU Server--Unspecified
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Abakus | Terpfen
Alemil | Alemil
Ayra | Ayramatao
Darwin | DarwinBeGood
Endoperez | Endoperez
Heliomance | Sidhe de Grian
Kurrel | GrinningOni
littlebottom | Littlebottom
lord_khaine | Lord_khaine
Narazil | Narazil
Narkis | Narkis
Penthar | Malderon
Raviepoos | Skittles Unicorn
Shadowleaf | AncientPharma
Voidhawk | Sidhe ne Awk
Zefir | Einerwie
Zombywoof | Zombywoof[/table]

SEA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
abadguy | Smite Thy Enemy[/table]

Oceanic Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Red Rubber Band|HeWhoIsJohn
[/table]

Turkey (TR) Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Eloel|[unknown]
[/table]

MUMBLE
Download here! (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/)
Our main means of communication is a mumble server, playing host to a variety of games, including LoL. We're quite a tight knit community, get to know us! Hanging about is a good way to find a game, and if you don't fancy playing something there's always a good chance of a friendly chat. Contact Djinn_in_Tonic via PM if you have a question or want to donate money to keep the server running.
Address: fish.mumbleboxes.com
Port: 36003

Admins: Djinn_in_Tonic (Djinn); Darth Mario; ShortOne (LittlePoppy, Raven); Dogmantra; Nano (Nanoceraptor).

STREAMS
Some of us run streams. You can watch them here.
Legoshrimp (http://www.twitch.tv/legoshrimp)
McDouggal (http://www.twitch.tv/McDouggal)
Silverraptor (http://www.livestream.com/silverrapter?t=527242)
The Fiery Tower (http://www.twitch.tv/the_fiery_tower)


GUIDES & CHAMPION OVERVIEWS
Sometimes people write guides and post them in this thread. Other times pro players write guides that people then post in this thread. They often end up here.
Champion Introductions:
Thanks to Eldariel, Playgrounders in Thread XLV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003) wrote blurbs to introduce players to their favorite champions. Yay.
Ahri (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14981225&postcount=520) by SlyGuyMcFly
Alistar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15079170&postcount=297) by Joran
Amumu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14991206&postcount=727) by Ivellius
Anivia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971268&postcount=332) by Eldariel
Annie (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972307&postcount=366) by endoperez
Caitlyn (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973242&postcount=375) by McDougal
Cho'Gath (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973137&postcount=374) by Happy Gravity
Janna (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976717&postcount=424) by Winthur
Fizz (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971765&postcount=345) by PersonMan
Hecarim (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973331&postcount=377) by Arbitrarity
Irelia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14980231&postcount=502) by aethernox
Kennen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14973033&postcount=372) by Anarion
LeBlanc (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15049895&postcount=15) by Miscast_Mage
Lulu (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975266&postcount=413) by Kris on a Stick
Nasus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971542&postcount=340) by TheShrike
Nocturne (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15057985&postcount=97) by Darius Macab
Olaf (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14972935&postcount=371) by dgnslyr
Rengar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14974241&postcount=387) by ChaosOS
Singed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976931&postcount=427) by QWERTSTOP
Skarner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14984458&postcount=591) by TechnOkami
Sona (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14971676&postcount=344) by Forrestfire
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14975078&postcount=409) by Math_Mage
Vi (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14976557&postcount=423) by Pherinos
Zyra (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14982344&postcount=541) by The Fiery Tower

General Guides:
A General Guide to Support (http://tpesports.net/index.php?site=articles&action=show&articlesID=32), by Math Mage
Guide to General Common Jungler Set-Ups (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12409551&postcount=575), by Mtg_player_zach
Small Guide to Jungle Counterpicking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12379254&postcount=98), by Winthur
General Guide to AD Carries (http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9234)
Seizing the fourth digit: Playing your way out of Elo Hell. (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=341821) by Math_Mage
Faulty and Raistlin's Quick Build Database: Notes and Stuff (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10942497&postcount=1004) by Faulty and Raistlin
Turning Skill Into Elo: Solo Queue Mindset And Methodology (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1220673) by MathMage
How to be a Good Team Leader (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1374492) by Darth Mario

Specific Champion Guides:
Be warned. These guides are, by and large, outdated. Much of the information referenced in these guides has been made obsolete as a result of League's natural patch cycle and changes from Season to Season. If you're looking for information on a champion, you'll have better luck at SoloMid.net (http://solomid.net/guides.php?champ=&sort=2&display=4&x=98&y=9) or LolPro.com (http://LoLPro.com). Alternatively, ask the thread!
Riven 101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12579737&postcount=204), by Arbitrarity
Highly Artistic Blitzcrank guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12380155&postcount=115), by Dogmantra
Laser Bear Udyr (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9657101&postcount=39), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Rammus: Can't touch this (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=258919), by Math_Mage
Twitch (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board
[URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10267058&postcount=1448), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Jungle Akali (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10498621&postcount=1358) by Djinn
How to play everyone's favourite Lightning Squirrel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10518034&postcount=154) by Dogmantra
Lee Sin (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=636475) by Dralnu
Super Serious Rumble Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11052926&postcount=904) by Dogmantra
OH SNAP Morgana Can Jungle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11295698&postcount=1238) by Dogmantra
Anivia Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11514141&postcount=845) by Eldariel
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11938481&postcount=1029) by MathMage
CLASSY VIDEOS FOR CLASSY PEOPLE*
Watching these videos makes you a classier person. Fact.
Jungle Janna! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC6wm9iaNmM)
How to Win Every Game in League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsTE1vpoXM)
Panic at the Nexus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WlCbaLI3I)
Sunfire Cape Sunday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgjfX6crjrg)
Season One Trailer with Commentary (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/season-one-trailer-commentary)
D-Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHp4VJ47v0)
Insanity Mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGKN1Adzckk&feature=related)
(Truly, Truly) Outrageous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7S05vI-BU&feature=related)
I'm just a noob (Ryze Ryze Ryze again) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr1T-pgaZY&feature=related)
e.o.n Shen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs_cGUPQ3M&feature=related)
Vendrim-Ionia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3E2UQMe3k&hd=1)
Pwn ur FACE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9VSDt0EN4)
Your -Epic- Dreamhack comes true! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCs1CyBFLg)
Ezreal Custom Skin Spotlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-HoAPlg-c)
I Just Got Ganked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpNVN33fj4Y&feature=channel_video_title)
Keep Feeding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaR0frKc4a0)
Champion Rap Battles -- Brolaf vs. Gentleman Cho'Gath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ-r300BVFI)
Combinasion BOOM! League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzsXR4sM_Y)
All in the Cards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9d3342IXSs)
No One Ganks Like Garen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4uiTQsRJg)
Rammus Taunts Everyone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-8Q4PM4PXM)

COMICS AND PICS
It's like your eyes are getting a massage.LoL Comic (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=48169) by Elagune
Learn Your Alphabet (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6264/g28376.png) by Dogmantra and Pierreabelard (with a mention in Summoner Showcase #36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy7JWV-HA28&feature=feedu)!)
Chibi Champions (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=763895) by pika7
Gender Swaps (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=606416) by ShowMeYourMoves
Champion Flowchart Guides (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=608154) by Renekton Bot
Patch Day Comic (http://i.imgur.com/kHtwk.jpg) by DaemianFF
TRAVEL BACK IN TIME: PREVIOUS THREADS
Proof we're not all experiencing collective haullucinations.
League of Legends LIII: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Clash of Pings (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307325)
League of Legends LII: Sin of the Blind Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302528)
League of Legends LI: A Song of Loss and Ire - A Game of Throws (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298396)
League of Legends L: Lucian's Lost Love's Luxurious Lantern Lodge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293376)
League of Legends XLIX: Why are there snowballs in a jungle? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289027)
League of Legends XLVIII: A Broken Spine is Just a Twist of Fate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15339231#post15339231)
League of Legends XLVII: Legend of Poro - Retcons on Ice (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282669)
League of Legends XLVI: Everybody now comes from Freljord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279408)
League of Legends XLV: They ruined the King AND his blade! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277003)
League of Legends XLIV: *SQUAWK* Who's there? *SQUAWK* League of Legends XLIV who? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273412)
League of Legends XLIII: Now with 100% more Leagues. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270068)
League of Legends XLII: I Hope The New Champ Is Vi-able (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266201)
League of Legends XLI: Fish Are Friends, Not Food (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263722)
League of Legends XL: Season on Hold 'till Morello Gets Gold (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261213)
League of Legends XXXIX: Harrowing in the Playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14079780#post14079780)
League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13921041)
League of Legends XXXVII: Thread Name Delayed for Further Testing on PBE (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253343)
League of Legends XXXVI: Thread Now Invisible When You're Not Looking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250948)
League of Legends XXXV: Jayce, the Defender of Soon™ (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248760)
League of Legends XXXIV: No Exceptions (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246004)
League of Legends XXXIII: Game of Mundo (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13142848#post13142848)
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[Olinser]

I hereby mark this thread in the name of awesomeness everywhere.

[Forrestfire]

"The cycle of post and thread continues..."

[Antonok]

posting for the mark

[Math_Mage]

Posting because bahahaha ARAM is funny
http://i.imgur.com/ONEV6II.png

This is AFTER I swapped out an AD fullbuild for an AP fullbuild in one shop.

[Olinser]

Posting because bahahaha ARAM is funny
http://i.imgur.com/ONEV6II.png

This is AFTER I swapped out an AD fullbuild for an AP fullbuild in one shop.

So.

How much AP did Veigar finish with?

[Math_Mage]

So.

How much AP did Veigar finish with?
1200, last I checked. So, higher than that.

[Siosilvar]

Posting because bahahaha ARAM is funny
http://i.imgur.com/ONEV6II.png

This is AFTER I swapped out an AD fullbuild for an AP fullbuild in one shop.

The number of 120 AP items on your team... o.O That's quite the ARAM.

Full AD Renekton and Wit's End Jax make me cringe. :smalleek:

[Maryring]

Towards the end I'm expecting Veigar to just... *melt* everything that he came across. That's one high KDA on... pretty much everyone.

[Math_Mage]

Towards the end I'm expecting Veigar to just... *melt* everything that he came across. That's one high KDA on... pretty much everyone.
Yeah, he was pretty rude to Diana that way. I was pretty rude to...well, everyone else.

[Renegade Paladin]

I have had two very good, very personally snowbally ranked games in a row wrecked by my mid DCing midway through. It's getting very, very old, very quickly. :smallannoyed:

[TechnOkami]

Toplane Mundo is actually my best toplaner right now, for some reason. You start Dshield, usually rush something involving Giant's Belt or Kindlegem, beat almost everything in melee because your level 1 E is a BF sword and you level 5 E is about 1.5 bloodthirsters. Generally W max first is best but E max is about as good so do whatever you want as long as you don't max cleaver. Beat anything in fights. Split push if you want. Be a crazy-strong bruiser in early team fights if you want. Do whatever really you're invincible.

Except max cleaver first or try to lane vs anything with range. Don't do that.

Noted. I'll give this a spin sometime.

[NotAEvilToaster]

Anyone else doing jungle heimerdinger? It's silly, but amazing. :smallcool:

[Duos]

No jungle heimer, but I played his rework cold for the first time today, and I'm a convert. New donger is lots of fun and the rockets aren't a frustrating exercise in zoning. Turrets on an ammo system feels natural, although I still max rockets first because R->rockets does about a billion points of damage with a hat. His turrets scale much better now, and the fact that his passive scales now means his sustain is really good. So far, I'm two for two in ranked with him. I give the rework an A.

[Raven444]

One of the most interesting arams games that I've had. Played Hecarim, and went against a Sivir that managed to get 50 kills. Overall, both teams got around 90 kills. It was a very close game, but my team managed to win.

On a side note, I've seen several Sivirs that have managed to do quite well since the rework. I don't remember seeing her much before.

[ex cathedra]

tsm bjergsen tho (http://www.solomid.net/new-tsm-roster-change.php)

[Math_Mage]

tsm bjergsen tho (http://www.solomid.net/new-tsm-roster-change.php)
worst video ever
but most intuitively good team change ever
thx regi for benching yourself

[ex cathedra]

worst video ever
but most intuitively good team change ever
thx regi for benching yourself

the montage was okay tho
even if it only had like 3 plays

[Math_Mage]

the montage was okay tho
even if it only had like 3 plays
The plays were good. The montage sucked. Oh, you can tell they tried, they at least sync the music to the plays to some extent, but it just drags on and on and on, and for at least one of the plays there's no attempt to make a visually noisy fight clear to the viewer so they can appreciate what Bjergsen was doing. To see what I mean, contrast the Faker/Madlife/Insec videos: more plays and better pacing and better music. Hearing the announcers really helps, too. Or look at any of the 'top plays' compilations on Youtube.

[Neoseanster]

So

This happened

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1190/y1rz.jpg

:smallbiggrin:

[Math_Mage]

So

This happened

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1190/y1rz.jpg

:smallbiggrin:
That...was fast.

Grats.

[PersonMan]

Meanwhile in Bronze Gold V, I've found a new orbit.

Good game, good game, promotion, either fail with my team, fail alone or win lane but team fails, promotion over, good game, good game...

I also can't stop thinking 'Bronze V' rather than 'Gold V', which is really weird.

[Morph Bark]

I'm a bit saddened by the changes to Nasus' voice. His voice actor died, and now this is gone, too...

[Eloel]

Why don't we have a TR server in the first post?
I'm in there, I feel bad.

[Qwertystop]

Anyone else doing jungle heimerdinger? It's silly, but amazing. :smallcool:

I actually considered running him top, if you can figure out who to send mid. I don't know if it's just me, but he has a lot of problems with anyone with good range - you want the enemy to be zoned by your turrets, not ignoring them and autoing them down every time you put them up. Top has that problem less.

[Eloel]

Anyone else doing jungle heimerdinger? It's silly, but amazing. :smallcool:

The potential of ganking is very low. Without E, you have absolutely no stopping power. If you put down turrets, you will steal cs if they manage to escape. If you don't, you're down to a single W for damage. You're also squishy, so if you try to gank the adc, you'll probably end up dead. Same goes with mid. Top won't care about your W damage if they're as tank as they tend to be.

Maybe in a team with 2 junglers, you can efficiently counterjungle if you camp at the right positions. Otherwise, doesn't look good.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE heimerdinger, and would love to see a good jungling argument for him, but I don't see it.

[Renegade Paladin]

What is it about mids DCing? This time it happened to the other team, but it always seems to be mid. :smallconfused:

[Godskook]

No jungle heimer, but I played his rework cold for the first time today, and I'm a convert. New donger is lots of fun and the rockets aren't a frustrating exercise in zoning. Turrets on an ammo system feels natural, although I still max rockets first because R->rockets does about a billion points of damage with a hat. His turrets scale much better now, and the fact that his passive scales now means his sustain is really good. So far, I'm two for two in ranked with him. I give the rework an A.

1.Iirc, since ult abilities absorb the base ability's CD on use, optimal ult use goes to the ability you're not ranking(or turret, cause turret CD is 1s).

2.Turrets were always on an ammo system, its just that before max storage and max turrets were the same number, and now, the number of turrets you're allowed to have on the field is a constant, but your max storage is still limited by skill rank.

[Artanis]

I played alongside a Heimerdinger in bottom lane yesterday, and he basically won the game. Seriously, we - and by "we", I mean "he plus an occasional Q and Trueshot from my Ezreal" - had taken their inner turret on that lane before the entire enemy team had their fourth combined kill :smalleek:



On a note more related to the current discussion, I was thinking about trying out mid a bit to see how well it suits me. I'm not so much good at ADC as I am bad at melee, so I figured it might not hurt to try out the other lane that is often (though I know not always) ranged. Any thoughts?

[Renegade Paladin]

Anyway, I discovered yesterday during the second 4v5 that I really don't know what my sixth item is on Xin Zhao. It usually doesn't come up, but by the time we'd 4v5 aced the second Baron buff off of the other team, I had finished my usual Ancient Golem > Homeguard Ninja Tabi > Locket > Spirit Visage > Blade of the Ruined King (which I rarely get to), and was looking at the sixth item slot and 2k gold and realized I really didn't know what to put there. Situationally I picked Banner of Command because we were 4v5 and down to the inhibitors and desperate to get some sort of counterpush going on without having to risk ourselves and then started buying elixirs, but in the normal case that really isn't optimal, partly because the build puts me over the CDR cap. Any ideas?

[Nadevoc]

I feel like sixth items are inherently going to change game to game. Heck, much more than sixth; generally at least fourth item and beyond are game dependent.

That said, looking at your build, things I'd consider:
-If you need to be tankier, probably Sunfire, Maw, Omen, GA, or Wit's End. Yeah, Maw and WE are kinda offense, but I'm not really sure of MR itemization past SV and Locket. I guess BV would be the next big just MR item.
-If they've got a bunch of armor, LW.
-If they don't have armor for some reason I can't fathom and you need damage, probably Hydra. Maybe TF or PD.


Why don't we have a TR server in the first post?
I'm in there, I feel bad.

Presumably, no one's asked to be added to it; we haven't been adding new servers until we actually have someone to be put in the list.


2.Turrets were always on an ammo system, its just that before max storage and max turrets were the same number, and now, the number of turrets you're allowed to have on the field is a constant, but your max storage is still limited by skill rank.

Way back with original Heimer, they weren't on an ammo system. So it's possible he just hasn't played Heimer in a LOOOOOOONG time.

[Neoseanster]

That...was fast.

Grats.

I know, right?

I think that this time 2-3 weeks ago, I was dead even at 160 ranked wins and 160 ranked losses. Now I'm up +35 wins over losses. I just zoooooomed up, I don't think I had to repeat a single promo series between P1 and D1.

What made the difference for me, I think, was that I realized I was comfortable jungling in ranked rather than only being able to play support. It hit me while I was playing on a for-fun ranked 5s team, with two other platinums and two diamonds, that, huh. I'm actually doing pretty reasonable at this, and we're playing against real diamond players. This isn't so bad. They aren't a hell of a lot better than me.

And then they weren't.

also I spammed Vi and Fiddlesticks and Janna and Zyra and a lil Syndra and they're all wonderful

[McDouggal]

Anyway, I discovered yesterday during the second 4v5 that I really don't know what my sixth item is on Xin Zhao. It usually doesn't come up, but by the time we'd 4v5 aced the second Baron buff off of the other team, I had finished my usual Ancient Golem > Homeguard Ninja Tabi > Locket > Spirit Visage > Blade of the Ruined King (which I rarely get to), and was looking at the sixth item slot and 2k gold and realized I really didn't know what to put there. Situationally I picked Banner of Command because we were 4v5 and down to the inhibitors and desperate to get some sort of counterpush going on without having to risk ourselves and then started buying elixirs, but in the normal case that really isn't optimal, partly because the build puts me over the CDR cap. Any ideas?

Sixth item should ALWAYS be a situational pickup. With the possible exception of an ADC; and even then, you should have your core of Greaves/IE/BT/PD/LW done. (probably a BotRK in there for some in place of the BT, but w/e.)

On an unrelated note, I've been liking the Doublelift Vayne build lately. BotRK rush, followed by a Zephyr with Greaves in there somewhere.

This gets you a fair amount of AD, a fair amount of MS, a good amount of AS, and TENACITY BY GOD THAT'S SO AWESOME.

You sacrifice big crits for a while for increased dueling ability and more passive procs.

That's actually really nice to have, plus it lowers Vayne's item break point for when she can actually start really winning fights and outplaying the opponent.

[ex cathedra]

Anyway, I discovered yesterday during the second 4v5 that I really don't know what my sixth item is on Xin Zhao. It usually doesn't come up, but by the time we'd 4v5 aced the second Baron buff off of the other team, I had finished my usual Ancient Golem > Homeguard Ninja Tabi > Locket > Spirit Visage > Blade of the Ruined King (which I rarely get to), and was looking at the sixth item slot and 2k gold and realized I really didn't know what to put there. Situationally I picked Banner of Command because we were 4v5 and down to the inhibitors and desperate to get some sort of counterpush going on without having to risk ourselves and then started buying elixirs, but in the normal case that really isn't optimal, partly because the build puts me over the CDR cap. Any ideas?

how do you survive past the 4 item point without any big armor? that's the stage in the game where AD carries start 3-shotting champions without sunfire (suboptimal for most junglers) or randuin's. tabi buy you time but they don't buy you that much time.

i am not a huge fan of locket on most junglers against most comps, so i would suggest skipping it and building visage immediately if you need the mr. that's partially preference, though. otherwise, pick up randuins and then finish whichever (sv or omen) you didn't build.


also I spammed Vi and Fiddlesticks and Janna and Zyra and a lil Syndra and they're all wonderful
guide pls

[Renegade Paladin]

how do you survive past the 4 item point without any big armor?
W healing, lifesteal, ulting four or five of them at once, and the other team assuming I'm too tanky to be worth focusing, mainly. Big armor's expensive. Besides, by the time Xin gets 40% CDR he can lock down and kill basically whoever he wants; how do you think we aced Baron off of a five man team with only four to begin with? :smalltongue: Getting to 40% CDR as rapidly as possible while getting tanky is the entire point of the build. BotRK isn't set in stone but it's my usual go-to fifth item because it gives attack speed, which Xin really wants; lifesteal, which he also wants and synergizes nicely with the SV I already have; and damage + health shred, so he can start killing things rather than relying on the teammates being competent enough to follow him when he disrupts the entire enemy team while staying alive for a stupid long time doing it (but not so long he can afford for the carries to sit around on their bums watching for five seconds before following up).

[Eldariel]

Syndra Support is hilarious. Just saying. Free l1 superlong jungle delay when you go juggling with the enemy buff and toss it on someone even if your team doesn't wanna steal it. And a longrange AOE stun and good poke and solid l6 burst.

[Godskook]

Randuin's Omen is your go-to defense item at that point, with alternatives being:

Sunfire Cape
Thornmail
Guardian Angel(Most useful if you are or should be being focused)
Banshee's Veil(if you need MR more than having respectable armor)
Frozen Mallet(If your only major concern is locking down sequntial targets)
Bloodthirster/Hydra/LW(If you want more offense)

Given that it was a 4v5, Randuin's is probably a huge priority, even moreso than completing Visage or buying BoRK.

[Neoseanster]

Syndra Support is hilarious. Just saying. Free l1 superlong jungle delay when you go juggling with the enemy buff and toss it on someone even if your team doesn't wanna steal it. And a longrange AOE stun and good poke and solid l6 burst.

Oh, for sure. She doesn't see a ton of play but she's really strong bottom lane.

[Math_Mage]

Sixth item should ALWAYS be a situational pickup.
Sorry, that just sounded hilarious. Probably because I just woke up.


Oh, for sure. She doesn't see a ton of play but she's really strong bottom lane.
guidepls

[Dusk Eclipse]

Sorry, that just sounded hilarious. Probably because I just woke up.


I agree that McDougal worded it funny (almost like an oxymoron) a better way to word it would be something like "Your sixth item should always depend on the enemy team composition".

How viable is Jungle Riven? Should I build her tanky or moe damage focused (not that I'm really sure how to do either, Riven seems more like an AD caster than an autoattacker so I'm not sure which Items to get her).

Edit: Does anyone knows how long does it take to combine runes? I've been waiting like 15 minutes and I don't want to close the Rune page in case it stops the process.

[Math_Mage]

Edit: Does anyone knows how long does it take to combine runes? I've been waiting like 15 minutes and I don't want to close the Rune page in case it stops the process.
Uh, it was practically instantaneous when I did it, but that was like three years ago so I have no idea how it works now.

[Winthur]

Sorry, that just sounded hilarious. Probably because I just woke up.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[Godskook]

Riven doesnt really do much without damage items, but S3 jungle just doesnt really support that itemization very well.

S4 may be different, but then there is also concerns of team comp and generally wanting a few frontliners on a team.

[Dusk Eclipse]

So no Jungle Riven then?

[Eldariel]

So no Jungle Riven then?

She's fine for solo queue but suboptimal for competitive play.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Well I still haven't unlocked (level 20) Ranked, so it should be ok for Random normal right?

So what should I build, I was thinking on Elder Lizard, HomeguardTabi/Merc (depending on team comp), Ghostblade, Randuins, BotRK, SV (or locket if Support isn't building)

Elder Lizard and Youmuu's both give AD and CDR, BotRK lifesteal and damage, Randuins SV for defence and boots are self explanatory.

[Delusion]

You don't really need attack speed as Riven though, so Bloodthirster or Hydra is better than BotRK for her, and black cleaver is usually prefered to Ghostblade.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Hydra seems better than BT since it's passive and active would help clearing camps, thanks for reminding me about it. Not sure about BC versuus Youmuu's,
BC shreds armour and I think it would be better if my team is heavy on AD while Youmuu's has a better Armor penetration from the start. Oh well guess I can try both and see how it works.

[Siosilvar]

Please don't build Lizard on any jungler except Evelynn. Brutalizer + Longsword gives you all the stats you want from it for cheaper and then your money is better spent finishing a Tiamat or tank item.

Also, as mentioned, Riven doesn't benefit from attack speed very much. You're better off with flat AD, because most of your damage is from abilities. Hydra is a very good item, and if you can keep a BT stacked it's good too.

If I played Riven, my build (top or jungle) would probably be like so:

Brutalizer->boots->Hydra->Kindlegem->Last Whisper->finish SV->finish Cleaver.

Come to think of it, that's what I usually build on Pantheon and damage-J4, too...

EDIT: It's not just camp clearing that Hydra is good for. It's also another 1.0 AD ratio for your combo, which should bump Riven from 9.9x AD to 10.9x AD, which comes out in Hydra's favor as long as you've built 75 AD aside from your Hydra or BT choice, which with your ult up (assumed in the ratio), any useful masteries, and a Brutalizer is *always*. If your play is less than perfect or your ult is down it's even better. Plus, it doesn't lose stacks if you die.

[TechnOkami]

*calms down from "OMG SUDDEN NASUS VOICE CHANGE WTF" reaction*

I'm fine with the change. Simple as that.

[Neoseanster]

Please don't build Lizard on any jungler except Evelynn.

Or jungle Zyra.

:D

[NineThePuma]

*calms down from "OMG SUDDEN NASUS VOICE CHANGE WTF" reaction*

I'm fine with the change. Simple as that.

I'm still never going to be able to play him again.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Please don't build Lizard on any jungler except Evelynn. Brutalizer + Longsword gives you all the stats you want from it for cheaper and then your money is better spent finishing a Tiamat or tank item.

Also, as mentioned, Riven doesn't benefit from attack speed very much. You're better off with flat AD, because most of your damage is from abilities. Hydra is a very good item, and if you can keep a BT stacked it's good too.

If I played Riven, my build (top or jungle) would probably be like so:

Brutalizer->boots->Hydra->Kindlegem->Last Whisper->finish SV->finish Cleaver.

Come to think of it, that's what I usually build on Pantheon and damage-J4, too...

EDIT: It's not just camp clearing that Hydra is good for. It's also another 1.0 AD ratio for your combo, which should bump Riven from 9.9x AD to 10.9x AD, which comes out in Hydra's favor as long as you've built 75 AD aside from your Hydra or BT choice, which with your ult up (assumed in the ratio), any useful masteries, and a Brutalizer is *always*. If your play is less than perfect or your ult is down it's even better. Plus, it doesn't lose stacks if you die.


I am genuinely curious about this. Why not SotEL? The gold difference between brutalizer + longsword is 263 gold and I think the butcher effect seems to be worth it (for reference the Hunter's Machete only gives a 10% bonus and it costs 300 gold) and that isn't counting the incinerate effect (I agree it isn't a lot of damage, but it is a neat plus).

[ex cathedra]

brutalizer + longsword turn into other valuable items, post-nerf sotel is sotel all game

[Don Julio Anejo]

Generally speaking, at this moment there are only two good jungler items: Stone of the Spectral Wraith if you're jungle Fiddle, and Stone of the Ancient Golem if you're a mana-hungry tank like Udyr, Nasus or Amumu. Anyone else will at most build Mardred's Razors if they need the extra bit of armor and true damage against minions. As for Riven, brutalizer is an especially good item on her as none of the stats are wasted (she's highly physical damage/CDR reliant), Black Cleaver it builds into is a very good melee item and she doesn't need any mana.

[ex cathedra]

i would say that ancient golem is good on every tank jungler that needs tenacity, elder lizard is good on evelynn, and spectral wraith is only good on champions who don't jungle

[Nerocite]

i would say that ancient golem is good on every tank jungler that needs tenacity, elder lizard is good on evelynn, and spectral wraith is only good on champions who don't jungle

I saw a Cass once who built Spectral Wraith and took both wraith camps whenever they came up. It was hilarious.

[dgnslyr]

Hydra seems better than BT since it's passive and active would help clearing camps, thanks for reminding me about it. Not sure about BC versuus Youmuu's,
BC shreds armour and I think it would be better if my team is heavy on AD while Youmuu's has a better Armor penetration from the start. Oh well guess I can try both and see how it works.

Attack speed from Youmuu's helps you unload Runic procs more quickly. Also, the movespeed helps you stick a lot better. Youmuu's is really strong while the active is up, so it's great for someone like Riven who wants to just burst down one dude and then bash down a tower. The other advantage over Cleaver is that it gives you something to do while your spells are down, since you've got a good chunk of AS to just auto away while you're waiting for your spells to come back up. The MS can also get you out of trouble, which is handy.

I think boxbox is known to rush Youmuu's on Riven, just for that early all-in potential.

[Eldariel]

I saw a Cass once who built Spectral Wraith and took both wraith camps whenever they came up. It was hilarious.

I do that with most mids without any jungle items whenever I can get away with it. Preferably both Wraiths. And Wolves too.

[Dusk Eclipse]

brutalizer + longsword turn into other valuable items, post-nerf sotel is sotel all game


Generally speaking, at this moment there are only two good jungler items: Stone of the Spectral Wraith if you're jungle Fiddle, and Stone of the Ancient Golem if you're a mana-hungry tank like Udyr, Nasus or Amumu. Anyone else will at most build Mardred's Razors if they need the extra bit of armor and true damage against minions. As for Riven, brutalizer is an especially good item on her as none of the stats are wasted (she's highly physical damage/CDR reliant), Black Cleaver it builds into is a very good melee item and she doesn't need any mana.


i would say that ancient golem is good on every tank jungler that needs tenacity, elder lizard is good on evelynn, and spectral wraith is only good on champions who don't jungle

Those are very good reason, thanks. Guess I could go into Mordred Razors, keep it for a few levels and sell it after I don't need them anymore (round level 10-ish perhaps?)


I saw a Cass once who built Spectral Wraith and took both wraith camps whenever they came up. It was hilarious.
Hilariously bad or hilarious because it worked?


Attack speed from Youmuu's helps you unload Runic procs more quickly. Also, the movespeed helps you stick a lot better. Youmuu's is really strong while the active is up, so it's great for someone like Riven who wants to just burst down one dude and then bash down a tower. The other advantage over Cleaver is that it gives you something to do while your spells are down, since you've got a good chunk of AS to just auto away while you're waiting for your spells to come back up. The MS can also get you out of trouble, which is handy.

I think boxbox is known to rush Youmuu's on Riven, just for that early all-in potential.

I'll try Youmuu's and BC separately, or hell maybe even both at the same time if I get lucky.

[Siosilvar]

Those are very good reason, thanks. Guess I could go into Mordred Razors, keep it for a few levels and sell it after I don't need them anymore (round level 10-ish perhaps?)

You will only not need them when you run out of item slots. And you may even be able to just leave it at Machete; not like Riven needs an on-hit to clear or to save mana for her map pressure.

[Nerocite]

Hilariously bad or hilarious because it worked?


It was scary effective. Dude had monster high cs at the end.

[Farix]

So correct me if I'm wrong but the bonus damage to monsters from items like Hunter's Machete doesn't apply to minions right? Cause I've gotten a rash of games lately where people keep buying them for laning and I'm wondering if they are clueless, or just suboptimal.

[Dusk Eclipse]

According to the Wiki (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Named_item_effect#Butcher) they are clueless.

[Nadevoc]

That's correct.

Madred's used to effect both minions and monsters before it's last rework, but not it, too, only affects monsters.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I think it might be cause the Machete is often a suggested item, so even if they aren't jungling they take it cause the game tells it is good for them (case Master Yi for example).

[Ivellius]

So correct me if I'm wrong but the bonus damage to monsters from items like Hunter's Machete doesn't apply to minions right? Cause I've gotten a rash of games lately where people keep buying them for laning and I'm wondering if they are clueless, or just suboptimal.

It's probably this, especially if you're at low levels:


I think it might be cause the Machete is often a suggested item, so even if they aren't jungling they take it cause the game tells it is good for them (case Master Yi for example).

But Spirit of the Ancient Golem and Spirit of the Spectral Wraith aren't actually terrible on some champions even outside of the jungle. SotAG gives you Tenacity, health, and CDR, not to mention the bit of regeneration it provides. If you're a tanky character who wants Tenacity but still feels like you need Ninja Tabi, that's pretty much your only option. SotSW has been good on champions who like Spellvamp and who don't have an ally that could use the Will of the Ancients aura (or just want to be selfish).

[Neoseanster]

I've often been building Spirit of the Ancient Golem on jungle Fiddlesticks. He likes CDR, and "not being immediately bursted from full when you ult in." Being able to survive through CC long enough to cast a fear is a good thing. The AP from Spirit of the Spectral Wraith is small enough to be negligible, and he doesn't really care about the spell vamp too much, he's already got a ton of drain built in on his W. I guess it can be kinda nice for mid-teamfight healing when you cast R, but he hardly needs the sustain normally.

[TechnOkami]

I'm still never going to be able to play him again.

*shrug* That sounds like a personal issue. Yes the voice will be different and it won't be the same, and it never will be, but Riot did a good job with their voice selection and how they went about with Nasus' new voice. It may not be as deep or smooth, but it's just as soothing and wise.

Also, new Q animation is better because it's fast, and an overhead chop, which makes sense with Nasus' historically inaccurate weapon.

[Godskook]

i would say that ancient golem is good on every tank jungler that needs tenacity

I'm fairly sure you mean tanky bruisers as well, but for clarification, I would say that Spirit-Golem is good on every jungle who enjoys building tanky with CDR.


So correct me if I'm wrong but the bonus damage to monsters from items like Hunter's Machete doesn't apply to minions right? Cause I've gotten a rash of games lately where people keep buying them for laning and I'm wondering if they are clueless, or just suboptimal.

Depends, frontliners can make use of Spirit-Golem, Blue Ezreal was a thing for a while and there's a few mages who really really like Spectral Wraiths.

[PersonMan]

and he doesn't really care about the spell vamp too much, he's already got a ton of drain built in on his W.

Maybe, but Spectral Wraith + Revolver + Will + Spirit Visage + Gunblade + Drain = This Reminds Me Of Why They Killed AP Yi.

So much fun.

[Lix Lorn]

Maybe, but Spectral Wraith + Revolver + Will + Spirit Visage + Gunblade + Drain = This Reminds Me Of Why They Killed AP Yi.

So much fun.
This sounds fun.

[NotAEvilToaster]

Can you /actually/ heal over 100% of damage dealt?

[ex cathedra]

yeah, spellvamp is uncapped. back when the passives weren't unique i finished like 4 or 5 gunblades on rumble and every ulti healed me to full on cast and provided huge regen during the burn.

old revolver was soooo balanced

[Don Julio Anejo]

Troll question: if you buy 6 Bloodthirsters, can you heal for 108% of the total damage you do?

[PersonMan]

Troll question: if you buy 6 Bloodthirsters, can you heal for 108% of the total damage you do?

Yes.

Or you play Sion and heal for a bajillion damage per hit when you ult.

There's a video somewhere of two Nocturnes with >100% lifesteal fighting each other, it's hilarious.

[Lix Lorn]

There's one of two fullbuild sivirs back when (I assume) her ricochet applied lifesteal.

[Morph Bark]

Troll question: if you buy 6 Bloodthirsters, can you heal for 108% of the total damage you do?

5 BTs and a Spirit Visage does better, for 129.6% lifesteal.

[Math_Mage]

There's one of two fullbuild sivirs back when (I assume) her ricochet applied lifesteal.
The video is here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdgJgDoeDz4) Ricochet didn't lifesteal then--among other things, you can see that there are alternating green and red life gained/lost counters over each Sivir's head, which isn't what you'd get if all those ward shots counted for lifesteal.

[PersonMan]

5 BTs and a Spirit Visage does better, for 129.6% lifesteal.

Especially if you throw in lifesteal quints/masteries.

[Merellis]

Pentakill Rammus! :smallbiggrin: Yes, I know, barely counts on ARAM mode.


http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee434/gmglyph/PentaRammus1_zps9c5a0716.png?t=1383573671
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee434/gmglyph/PentaRammus2_zps5f202040.png?t=1383573682

[NineThePuma]

*shrug* That sounds like a personal issue. Yes the voice will be different and it won't be the same, and it never will be, but Riot did a good job with their voice selection and how they went about with Nasus' new voice. It may not be as deep or smooth, but it's just as soothing and wise.

I find it grating, and it sets me on edge. It sounds distinctly unnatural and forced to me, and that bothers me, especially since I know they can do un-natural without it being forced (See Shyvana). I actually can't play him for longer than about five minutes without needing to mute the champion, because his voice makes me need to start pacing. The fact that they're parroting the lines of the most soothing voice in League and taking said voice out just grates further.

[Winthur]

I've often been building Spirit of the Ancient Golem on jungle Fiddlesticks. He likes CDR, and "not being immediately bursted from full when you ult in." Being able to survive through CC long enough to cast a fear is a good thing. The AP from Spirit of the Spectral Wraith is small enough to be negligible, and he doesn't really care about the spell vamp too much, he's already got a ton of drain built in on his W. I guess it can be kinda nice for mid-teamfight healing when you cast R, but he hardly needs the sustain normally.

Where do you find the place in the build for it? On jungle Fid, I really want Zhonyas first, and then I can get a Morello (if I have a Kage and I need some mana regen/CDR because my mid takes blue, it's a good item), or a Deathcap, or a Void Staff, or an Abyssal Scepter... I dunno, it just feels a little awkward. Also, I find that usually the CC that really worries you are knockbacks and other things that aren't affected by tenacity. That, and the nature of Fiddle's ult + Flash makes it so you're likely to get in range for the fear and if you get CC'd after your skills are all on cooldown the tenacity seems superfluous. Also, Fiddle doesn't need Machete, Amplifying Tome at level 1 gives him more damage than Machete, so I guess you're buying Machete later in the game...

I guess the HP and the CDR are really nice, but I'm wondering if you can't just get a Rylais or something like that instead...

I'm just wondering, I'm far from an expert Fiddle player.

[Hullabaloo]

I think losing games snowballs as much as losing a lane, and in similar ways. Changes your playstyles and makes you question what normally works for you. Was holding out for a RP sale (due to tight money from a home renovation), but might find it in me to splurge to pick up Thresh or Sona to put me back in a good place :).

[Neoseanster]

Where do you find the place in the build for it? On jungle Fid, I really want Zhonyas first, and then I can get a Morello (if I have a Kage and I need some mana regen/CDR because my mid takes blue, it's a good item), or a Deathcap, or a Void Staff, or an Abyssal Scepter... I dunno, it just feels a little awkward. Also, I find that usually the CC that really worries you are knockbacks and other things that aren't affected by tenacity. That, and the nature of Fiddle's ult + Flash makes it so you're likely to get in range for the fear and if you get CC'd after your skills are all on cooldown the tenacity seems superfluous. Also, Fiddle doesn't need Machete, Amplifying Tome at level 1 gives him more damage than Machete, so I guess you're buying Machete later in the game...

I guess the HP and the CDR are really nice, but I'm wondering if you can't just get a Rylais or something like that instead...

I'm just wondering, I'm far from an expert Fiddle player.

I usually play Fiddlesticks as more of a utility jungler than anything else; IMO, the strongest part of his kit is by far his Q, and depending on each team's respective team comps, I often find that hanging around the edges of a fight and using fear to help either pick people off or peal for my carries has a greater impact than just immediately ulting into the middle of the enemy team and using Zhonya's.

My typical build is Doran's Ring start, then build Boots of Mobility as first item, then Fiendish Codex and Kindlegem after, and from there the build is situational. I think he gets more mileage out of CDR for more R ganks and more casts of Q in teamfights and ganks both than just about anything else. My usual skill order is WEWQQRQQQ. If I find myself getting bursted down, I'd consider going for a tanky item like Spirit of the Ancient Golem or Rylai's or what have you. If the enemy team is tanky and we need more damage, I can just go for something like Liandry's, Zhonya's, Void Staff, Deathcap, or whatever. I usually just play it by ear, some games the kindlegem stays a kindlegem, some it becomes SotAG, some it becomes a Shurelya's Reverie.

I just finished a game where I went Doran's ---> Boots of Mobility ---> Kage's Lucky Pick ---> Haunting Guise ---> Kindlegem ---> Fiendish Codex ---> Twin Shadows ---> DFG ---> sell Doran's for a NLR ---> game is over. I snowballed my top and mid lanes, but enemy team had a fed Vayne with cleanse and soon a QSS too, so I needed raw damage to help burst her down instead of relying as much on fear spam. Not once did I Crowstorm into a 5v5, since we had a very fed split push-y Nidalee who needed at least two people sent to stop her, so hourglass really wasn't a concern. I mostly used Crowstorm for picking people off in 2v2 and 3v3s.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7165/nlmc.jpg

[NineThePuma]

Having had an opportunity to interact with the individual quoted within, I would just like to say that he must be -really- good at keeping his attitude out of game (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=42183971#42183971).

Also, that's a sick burn from Morello.

[Olinser]

Having had an opportunity to interact with the individual quoted within, I would just like to say that he must be -really- good at keeping his attitude out of game (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=42183971#42183971).

Also, that's a sick burn from Morello.

http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/wilee/burntreat1.jpg

[McDouggal]

Having had an opportunity to interact with the individual quoted within, I would just like to say that he must be -really- good at keeping his attitude out of game (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=42183971#42183971).

Also, that's a sick burn from Morello.

... Hashinshin is one of the more disliked high ELO players, precisely because he can't keep his attitude out of the game.

[TechnOkami]

yeah, spellvamp is uncapped. back when the passives weren't unique i finished like 4 or 5 gunblades on rumble and every ulti healed me to full on cast and provided huge regen during the burn.

old revolver was soooo balanced

*smells that nostalgia*

THESE were the days of five Gunblade Mordekaiser! ~happy sigh~

Good times...

[NineThePuma]

... Hashinshin is one of the more disliked high ELO players, precisely because he can't keep his attitude out of the game.

How has he not been banned yet?

[ex cathedra]

How has he not been banned yet?

given that he's known mostly for being rather, uh, "opinionated," if his actions were banworthy then he probably would be banned. given that he isn't banned, the most likely explanation is that he doesn't deserve to be

also you guys have ****ty standards for "sick burnz l0l"

[Nadevoc]

It at least used to be the case that in high MMR, people simply didn't report. So you'd watch streams and be like, "HOW are they getting away with this?" The answer was that it never went into the system because no one ever bothered to hit the report button; high elo players just accepted people being complete jerks and moved on.

I'm also not sure how much of his ire he directs at other people. He's well-known on GD and the like for being a pain, but I've never seen him actually direct his attitude at other players; it's always things like complaining about Riot not buffing melee champs enough. (Seriously, the dude has spent the last year or so crusading against anything ranged in League).

[McDouggal]

How has he not been banned yet?

A couple of reasons:

High ELO reports less.

He doesn't insult people, he's just a whiny little <redacted> when he's losing and is a general <redacted> when he's winning. People don't like that.

EDIT: Why is Morgana not getting picked more often in pro play? Her rush item (Zhonya's) seems to be at least a decent counter to Zed. Her ult is still game changing; although it isn't as strong straight up as Orianna's, it's still a potential 5 man stun. Shield is, as always, OP. Passive spellvamp? That's just icing on the cake. (http://youtu.be/W0Of_BdqAog?t=1m30s) BTW that entire song is great, you should listen to it.

[Lix Lorn]

So... from where I'm sitting, it looks like Heim and Sivir are a little overtuned. It also looks like Zed is still an *******, but he counters me personally pretty hard.

Is this accurate, or have people/I just not learnt their weak points yet?

[Olinser]

A couple of reasons:

High ELO reports less.

He doesn't insult people, he's just a whiny little <redacted> when he's losing and is a general <redacted> when he's winning. People don't like that.

EDIT: Why is Morgana not getting picked more often in pro play? Her rush item (Zhonya's) seems to be at least a decent counter to Zed. Her ult is still game changing; although it isn't as strong straight up as Orianna's, it's still a potential 5 man stun. Shield is, as always, OP. Passive spellvamp? That's just icing on the cake. (http://youtu.be/W0Of_BdqAog?t=1m30s) BTW that entire song is great, you should listen to it.

Pretty much.

It also helps that he is good enough to back up his mouth. When he's whining when his team is losing, he's usually right about why they're losing. When he acts arrogant when he's winning, well, he's winning, especially at high ELO people trash talk quite a bit.

He also doesn't generally do things like troll and feed. I do a decent amount of tribunal, and generally the biggest thing that people get banned for is intentional feeding and deciding the game is lost so they just troll or go afk. It is pretty tough to get a permaban for attitude.

It also helps that he doesn't often engage in personal and profane attacks in-game. He might tell you your play sucks, or laugh and trash talk you about how bad you are in lane when he's beating you, but it won't be profanity-laden sexual innuendo about how you should kill yourself.




TLDR: He is still around because he knows how to be an ******* without crossing the ban line.

[Renegade Paladin]

I think losing games snowballs as much as losing a lane, and in similar ways. Changes your playstyles and makes you question what normally works for you. Was holding out for a RP sale (due to tight money from a home renovation), but might find it in me to splurge to pick up Thresh or Sona to put me back in a good place :).
... You realize you can get champs with IP, right? :smallconfused:

[Ashen Lilies]

Not everyone is that patient, though. :smalltongue:

Champs I've bought with money:

Vi (on sale)
Elise
Thresh
Trundle
Shyvana (through Gank City bundle)
Zac (through Gank City bundle)


Of those, I'd really say that only Trundle was not worth it, though I feel like I ought to play him more top lane or something, but sadly I have no refunds left.

Amusingly, my two favorite champions currently (Vi and Shyvana) are ones I bought with RP.

For posterity, let's just list the skins I have too (so that I may cry over the money I've spend on this game).



Unchained Alistar (Free!)
Resistance Caitlyn (Mystery Gift!)
Jurassic Cho'Gath
UFO Corki (Beta!)
Masquerade Evelynn
TPA Ezreal
Frost Queen Janna (Freljord Sale!)
Debonair Jayce
Sandstorm Katarina (On Sale!)
Unmasked Kayle
Battleborn Kayle (On Sale!)
Valkyrie Leona
Pool Party Leona
Bittersweet Lulu
Shadow Prince Malzahar (On Sale!)
Headhunter Nidalee
French Maid Nidalee (On Sale!)
Warlord Shen (On Sale!)
Ironscale Shyvana
Arcade Sona
Divine Soraka
Riot Girl Tristana (Free!)
Officer Vi
Creator Viktor (Release Sale!)
Imperial Xin Zhao
Haunted Zyra (Release Sale!)



...
...
...

._.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Yeah I bought TF & Ahri with RP and I am really thinking on getting VI (and officer Vi of course XD) plus Shivana in the near future.

[Renegade Paladin]

I have 12,000 IP sitting around just from playing games. It really does not take that long, folks. :smalltongue:

At any rate, Inversion practice is tonight, roughly 2.5 hours from now.

[Dusk Eclipse]

It does it you loose more than you win...

[Godskook]

It does it you loose more than you win...

Check your win-rate, I suspect its reasonably close to the 40-60% range that most people sit at.

[NineThePuma]

I have 12,000 IP sitting around just from playing games. It really does not take that long, folks. :smalltongue:

At any rate, Inversion practice is tonight, roughly 2.5 hours from now.

You also don't buy champions (that aren't demacian) or runes (really, go buy a set of move speed quints). I recall us having to run around and grab you champs because you couldn't play ranked with us. :P

Saying "It doesn't take long" makes the assumption that some other game isn't consuming your time and attention, and that you don't need runes or rune pages or a combination of both as well as having a relatively high number of champions you want to pick up.

[Ashen Lilies]

That's... two champions worth of IP, Renegade.

The only time I've had more than 6300 IP is when I was saving up 7800 for Jinx. I want to buy every champion*. And given I only have 70/116 and have played many more games than you, I believe, yes, it kind of does take that long.

*Eventually... There's like, only ~20ish I actually want for my playable roster, though. The rest can wait on things like Rune Pages and stuff.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Check your win-rate, I suspect its reasonably close to the 40-60% range that most people sit at.

Isn't that for Ranked only?

[Laudandus]

EDIT: Why is Morgana not getting picked more often in pro play? Her rush item (Zhonya's) seems to be at least a decent counter to Zed. Her ult is still game changing; although it isn't as strong straight up as Orianna's, it's still a potential 5 man stun. Shield is, as always, OP. Passive spellvamp? That's just icing on the cake. (http://youtu.be/W0Of_BdqAog?t=1m30s) BTW that entire song is great, you should listen to it.

Pro play meta is split-push, which makes Morgana automatically much less useful since she can't duel almost anyone past early-midgame (even Zed). She also lets Zed farm in early game, which in general is not a good idea.

More generally, Morgana is a farmy mage and not a split-pushy, roaming assassin. A friend of mine said that only one of the two groups Ahri/Zed/Fizz/Gragas and Anivia/Karthus/TF/Morgana can be good at a time, which I think is not an unreasonable sentiment.

She doesn't beat anyone in lane, she just farms evenly with them, and right now that's not a good trade because she gets outscaled by most midlaners, who can also do a lot more if things go wrong for Morgana and they get ahead. E is pretty good, but mostly in team fights which aren't a focus of the game right now, and as you pointed out her ult and also the rest of her kit is just much worse than the Orianna equivalent.

[Godskook]

Isn't that for Ranked only?

You can hard-check your win-rate in normals in the post-game lobby, which tells you your wins and losses for that queue. Just use:

(Wins)/(Wins + Losses)

[Eldariel]

More generally, Morgana is a farmy mage and not a split-pushy, roaming assassin. A friend of mine said that only one of the two groups Ahri/Zed/Fizz/Gragas and Anivia/Karthus/TF/Morgana can be good at a time, which I think is not an unreasonable sentiment.

Honestly, TF falls in the former camp; he's also a splitpushy roamy type. He just got nerfed to the point that he's a bit hard to play efficiently and has lane problems with assassins (unlike, say, Anivia).

I also don't think the splitpush/roam meta is unbeatable for teamfight comps; it's just that most teams choose to play the same style instead of playing to beat the style. In other words, they try to win the game on a tactical rather than a strategic level. I'm fairly certain if half of world's competitive teams opted to play teamfight comps or poke comps, the roam assassin comps wouldn't have a significantly higher win rate than the other styles if the teams were practiced up on what they're doing.


I think it's more a matter of teams not taking the step beyond the level of observing the meta, and looking at the game as a whole instead of the game just as it's being played. Also, when somebody does that successfully (particularly in Korea; see Frost, Blaze, Ozone, KTB for instance), it tends to lead to a meta shift because of a perceived superiority of a certain type even though that's not necessarily correct; DiamondProx is a good example of the wealth of viable options constantly underneath the surface that are very powerful in the right setup but not being played.

[Laudandus]

Honestly, I have never played a game with pro-level coordination so it is very hard for me to say exactly how possible it is to stop split-pushing, and how big an advantage that gives you in rotations. However, I think given that even teams like Frost who are known for team fighting are trying to do it, it's safe to say that split pushing has at least a moderate advantage against other strategies.

Point taken on TF; I suppose he's just weak.

[TFT]

I've actually been contemplating this a lot and am currently working on writing up how mids influenced the season 3 meta. I'll probably have it up within a couple of hours. If nothing else it helps me understand better why changes in the meta happen so maybe I can be ahead of the curve in that respect later on.

Edit: Switched primary focus from NA to Korean meta for obvious reasons, will be up later tonight.

[Renegade Paladin]

You also don't buy champions (that aren't demacian) or runes (really, go buy a set of move speed quints). I recall us having to run around and grab you champs because you couldn't play ranked with us. :P
In my defense, it's only 12k because I just went out and bought some AD quints. :smallwink:

I want to buy every champion*.
I believe we have identified the problem. :smalltongue:

[Hullabaloo]

Yeah, I actually have about 15k IP, but I've been meaning to buy runes for a second page. Just have not had time to do my research and see what a good generic Support rune page would be.

From what I have seen, go flat armor for seals, but scaling MR for glyphs. Is that because you typically see ADC at the start of the game, but see more MP during the group fight when the scaling MR should work better?
I see lots of stuff for either flat armor or AD for Marks, even when the support seems to be AP focused. Why, for example AD marks for Sona? Is that just the AA harass?
Then Quints of Gold or health?

[Nadevoc]

Support runes have actually been discussed a number of times throughout previous threads.

Generally flat armor yellows and scaling or flat MR blues (as is currently standard across just about all pages).

Reds are flat AD, dual pen, or sometimes armor; particularly if you're ranged, your AA is actually a huge part of your early harass.

Quints are AD (for better AA harass) or GP5 usually, I think.


It's worth noting that runes are being changed up probably pretty heavily in the preseason, so if you've been holding off and can wait another week or so, I would.

[Hullabaloo]

Quints are AD (for better AA harass) or GP5 usually, I think.


It's worth noting that runes are being changed up probably pretty heavily in the preseason, so if you've been holding off and can wait another week or so, I would.
Good to know, Ill wait.

Did I miss something or are quints 1 gold per min? Is there a 5 gold per min?

[Eldariel]

From what I have seen, go flat armor for seals, but scaling MR for glyphs. Is that because you typically see ADC at the start of the game, but see more MP during the group fight when the scaling MR should work better?

I'm going to touch on this more broadly than just supports, since it's kinda relevant: Armor is more applicable than MR. Every champion has an auto attack and they're almost invariably a part of the lane trading procedures with very few exceptions (like, Galio doesn't auto all that frequently and Morde mostly hits minions with Mace of Spades but that's extremely rare).

Further, every minion, jungle monster and tower does physical damage so damage from minion aggro during trading is decreased by flat armor, as is damage from tower during towerdives. Obviously junglers absolutely adore Armor since it makes life much easier far as surviving jungle camps at good HP total goes.


MR, on the other hand, only works against magic damage from champions and some of Baron's abilities (Wrath of the Ancients is magic). On lower levels, ability damage is low (indeed, it's directly proportional to character level while autos start much stronger but scale more slowly) and not all champs even have magic damage abilities.

Indeed, even mages on midlane do a significant amount of harass with their autos, quite potentially more so than with their abilities in many cases. This is not to even mention lane match-ups like many toplane bruiser MUs or jungler where you don't even see magic damage until later. This is why MR can more often be MR/Lvl. It's worth noting tho that midlane pages run flat MR for obvious reasons since around half of the early harass is still magic let alone those level 6 all-ins. Same goes for toplaners vs. magic types (Elise, Rumble, Vlad, etc.) and botlaners in some cases (Sona, Annie, Corki, etc. tend to warrant magic resist especially since most ADs don't get too much out of the other Glyph alternatives).

Still, flat AP, scaling AP and flat MPen (on champs with poor AP scaling but high bases such as Katarina, Corki, Elise, etc.) are viable Glyph alternatives for many champions and indeed, if you intend on 1v1 killing your lane opponent as e.g. midlaner, offensive Glyphs can help a lot.


I see lots of stuff for either flat armor or AD for Marks, even when the support seems to be AP focused. Why, for example AD marks for Sona? Is that just the AA harass?
Then Quints of Gold or health?

It's just for autoattack harass. But not "just". As I touched on earlier, that's your primary damage source for most of the laning and your autos hurt, especially if your AD gets all-in'd and you're free to hit.

That said, Hybrid Penetration is my personal preference unless I'm playing like Thresh (who has great AD scaling on his Flay Passive), since you tend to do a health doze of both, physical and magic damage as the support and hybrid pen allows you to punish anybody who lacks either flat Armor or MR runes on the lane, while still being good vs. everyone. Again, it varies from support to support.


Quints are a tougher call. Gold can work for draw lanes where you don't even try to win, Health can be good for trading as can AD & AP. There are many options for support Quints and it tends to all depend on the lane match-up and the specific support.

EDIT: If Gold-quints were indeed 1 gold/min they'd be 100% useless. Luckily they're at least 1 gold/10 secs a piece so they're an extra ward here and there; not that massive, but convenient.

[Hullabaloo]

I'm going to touch on this more broadly than just supports, since it's kinda relevant: Very interesting, thanks. Always assumed minion and tower were true dmg.


EDIT: If Gold-quints were indeed 1 gold/min they'd be 100% useless. Luckily they're at least 1 gold/10 secs a piece so they're an extra ward here and there; not that massive, but convenient.Yes 1 per 10 seconds is what I meant :). Not massive, but can tend to get an item (ie the 5GP) just a bit earlier.

[Eldariel]

Honestly, I have never played a game with pro-level coordination so it is very hard for me to say exactly how possible it is to stop split-pushing, and how big an advantage that gives you in rotations. However, I think given that even teams like Frost who are known for team fighting are trying to do it, it's safe to say that split pushing has at least a moderate advantage against other strategies.

That might also just be Frost not being the innovator team. CJ/old Azubu teams in general have generally been "master one style" over "create new styles"-types of teams, and this splitpush meta is kinda Blaze's fault to start with. I wouldn't expect them to revolutionize the meta ever again; just play what people play well. This is precisely the kind of "meta thinking" I was referring to; they tend to focus on how to optimize your chance to win in the mirror instead of how to beat the meta and on picking up champions outside the current actively used pool.

But the classic counterplay to splitpush is a heavy initiate 5v5 comp; we've seen this rotation happen in meta in Korea once already (the Curse of the Sad Bullet-Time era). 5-4 teamfight tends to lead to a dominating victory for the 5 so if forced, they'll easily outpush a single splitpusher post-fight. Also, these teamfight champs do have a role in the 4-man in the 4-1 splitpush (3-1-1 you really just want to deal with in an initiation style); AD and toplaner are capable of covering the splitpush role as well.


I definitely think it's mostly pro teams being lazy and conformist to focus on optimizing mechanics, rather than the champions truly not being suited for professional play at the moment.


Point taken on TF; I suppose he's just weak.

He's still got his roam potential but he has many bad lane MUs. If you can pick him when the worst ones are banned or if you're a godlike TF who can win those match-ups, he should be okay. It seems xPeke thinks he should've been fine with TF in Worlds if he wasn't out of practice so there's that.

[toasty]

How has he not been banned yet?

He's not toxic, he's annoying. He's good enough at the game to have an idea of what is going on, but he has a really bad habit of communicating that poorly or through a very narrow bias. He's the kind of guy that you might report for negative attitude, at best, probably, and I have a feeling that not many high elo players are gonna report for that. In fact, I'd say if I found him intolerable I'd just ignore him. He's good enough to carry his weight if he gets top lane most games, so what's the big deal? Its not like he's DDOSing, flaming, outright trolling (the way that guys like Questionmarklol, Ben the God, and GingerBrown did) or anything. He just QQs a lot and has a really harsh viewpoint towards Riot.

[Hullabaloo]

doh. I have more IP then I thought. I figured if a rune was in place for your first page, you could not use it for your second page... And... now I own Thresh:)

[Olinser]

That might also just be Frost not being the innovator team. CJ/old Azubu teams in general have generally been "master one style" over "create new styles"-types of teams, and this splitpush meta is kinda Blaze's fault to start with. I wouldn't expect them to revolutionize the meta ever again; just play what people play well. This is precisely the kind of "meta thinking" I was referring to; they tend to focus on how to optimize your chance to win in the mirror instead of how to beat the meta and on picking up champions outside the current actively used pool.

But the classic counterplay to splitpush is a heavy initiate 5v5 comp; we've seen this rotation happen in meta in Korea once already (the Curse of the Sad Bullet-Time era). 5-4 teamfight tends to lead to a dominating victory for the 5 so if forced, they'll easily outpush a single splitpusher post-fight. Also, these teamfight champs do have a role in the 4-man in the 4-1 splitpush (3-1-1 you really just want to deal with in an initiation style); AD and toplaner are capable of covering the splitpush role as well.


I definitely think it's mostly pro teams being lazy and conformist to focus on optimizing mechanics, rather than the champions truly not being suited for professional play at the moment.



He's still got his roam potential but he has many bad lane MUs. If you can pick him when the worst ones are banned or if you're a godlike TF who can win those match-ups, he should be okay. It seems xPeke thinks he should've been fine with TF in Worlds if he wasn't out of practice so there's that.

He did make several appearances at World's - he was still picked 6 times, which is a decent amount. Kassadin was only picked 7 (though Kass did draw 12 bans and TF only drew 5).

Honestly the big reason he wasn't picked that much at World's was the dominance of Ahri and Orianna - neither of which are particularly good matchups for TF. As soon as she hits 6 Ahri can stop a TF ult if he's anywhere near lane with an Ult - charm, and if you aren't anywhere near your lane then with her waveclear she'll be on the turret MUCH faster than you can get back to lane. Orianna can waveclear and poke TF outside the range of anything but his Q, and she has much better burst than he does. While Orianna can't stop a TF ult without using Shockwave, her waveclear likewise means that the second TF ults out of lane she's going to be pushing the turret.

Also, the biggest nerf, from what I understand, is that it is now almost impossible to lock in a gold card before ulting. You used to be able to lock in gold, ult, and had a couple seconds to stun somebody. Now, while I suppose it is still POSSIBLE to do it, you are counting on hitting somebody with gold nearly instantly after the ult, or its on cooldown.

[toasty]

Very interesting, thanks. Always assumed minion and tower were true dmg.


Its important to note if that were the case it would a huge buff to health items. Like, if that were the case Warmogs would be good, but its not the case, so we all build Omen instead.

And just as a random aside: this is also why many people prefer to play heavy AP teams to heavy AD teams. Vs AP your tanks still need to build armor to dive turrets, and every comp has an ADC. vs AP often you can't really stack armor as effectively, though with the Bveil buffs thats not necessarily the case anymore. :smalltongue:

[Eldariel]

He did make several appearances at World's - he was still picked 6 times, which is a decent amount. Kassadin was only picked 7 (though Kass did draw 12 bans and TF only drew 5).

Honestly the big reason he wasn't picked that much at World's was the dominance of Ahri and Orianna - neither of which are particularly good matchups for TF. As soon as she hits 6 Ahri can stop a TF ult if he's anywhere near lane with an Ult - charm, and if you aren't anywhere near your lane then with her waveclear she'll be on the turret MUCH faster than you can get back to lane. Orianna can waveclear and poke TF outside the range of anything but his Q, and she has much better burst than he does. While Orianna can't stop a TF ult without using Shockwave, her waveclear likewise means that the second TF ults out of lane she's going to be pushing the turret.

Ori is a fine match-up and even Ahri is survivable (Fizz is worse). The real reason he wasn't picked that much was the preference for early game burst and inherent damage in the kits of the chosen champs (aside from Ori who was mostly played since she's so darn good vs. assassins).


Also, the biggest nerf, from what I understand, is that it is now almost impossible to lock in a gold card before ulting. You used to be able to lock in gold, ult, and instantly stun somebody. Now, while I suppose it is still POSSIBLE to do it, you are counting on hitting somebody with gold nearly instantly after the ult, or its on cooldown.

That's the incorrect procedure for Destiny ganks. You lock gold card in during Destiny teleport to maximize the uptime. The nerf, while significant, isn't that painful specifically for Destiny-ganks if we're talking about a world class TF player. The bigger nerf is that holding gold card defensively on the lane is much harder and the opening after it is much longer which is a massive nerf for his match-up against diving assassins like Fizz, Kass and company. This is doubly important since locking gold card pre-emptively means Kassadin's Silence doesn't stop TF from using it.

His primary tool in these match-ups is to hold gold card and use the threat of stunning the enemy under the tower to dissuade aggression but as soon as the threat is negated he's kinda free game. Now he doesn't have enough duration to reliably disengage and get to safety with the up time.

Of course, the ult cooldown nerf (and the earlier removal of CDR from the E) directly hurts his global presence too so that part suffered as well but not so much from the card timing.

[Godskook]

Its important to note if that were the case it would a huge buff to health items. Like, if that were the case Warmogs would be good, but its not the case, so we all build Omen instead.

Given that I've never, outside the rare troll game, ever bought an item to make me tankier versus jungle monsters, how are you figuring this to be the case?

[McDouggal]

I have 12,000 IP sitting around just from playing games. It really does not take that long, folks. :smalltongue:

At any rate, Inversion practice is tonight, roughly 2.5 hours from now.

To be fair, you also only buy Demacians.

[MCerberus]

So yah, I missed the memo that Jinx was nerfed
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s168/murderouseagle/leagueoflegends/jinx_zps7117b2eb.jpg (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/murderouseagle/media/leagueoflegends/jinx_zps7117b2eb.jpg.html)

Kept putting chompers in Akali's cloud, followed by Zap + rocket.

[tyckspoon]

Given that I've never, outside the rare troll game, ever bought an item to make me tankier versus jungle monsters, how are you figuring this to be the case?

Previous poster was under the misunderstanding that both minions and towers did true damage. If this were true, buying health would be the only way to more effectively tank for tower dives, as well as Dragon and Baron kills.

[toasty]

Given that I've never, outside the rare troll game, ever bought an item to make me tankier versus jungle monsters, how are you figuring this to be the case?

Towers are what I'm really interested in here. A major reason why the Sunfire+Omen build for top laners is viable is because you get 2k hp and 180+ armor from those two items. Armor and HP are more versatile than MR, as MR only blocks 1 damage source, while Armor and HP block 2 (ad champions and towers).

Minions themselves are only minorly important during early/mid game.

[Red Rubber Band]

Minions themselves are only minorly important during early/mid game.

Winions OP early game.

[Forrestfire]

Minions themselves are only minorly important during early/mid game.

Minions, and controlling minion aggro, is what makes or breaks the early laning phase. Knowing when you can afford to land a hit on the enemy to harass or trade without losing a quarter of your health to the caster minions, and baiting the enemy into failing at that, is one of the easiest ways to win a lane.

One of the most important things I learned from 1v1ing Sofawall a bunch of times was that if you attack while enemy minions are around you and the enemy is competent, you will die.

[toasty]

Minions, and controlling minion aggro, is what makes or breaks the early laning phase. Knowing when you can afford to land a hit on the enemy to harass or trade without losing a quarter of your health to the caster minions, and baiting the enemy into failing at that, is one of the easiest ways to win a lane.

One of the most important things I learned from 1v1ing Sofawall a bunch of times was that if you attack while enemy minions are around you and the enemy is competent, you will die.

I mean if you want to get really technical about anything in league you can. In terms of big picture "how to itemize and why" minion damage isn't particularly important except, maybe, in those 1v1 situations.

[Forrestfire]

I disagree. The items you have at the start will affect how much minion aggro you can afford to take in early laning. If you have cloth/5 in top lane, you're going to be able to afford to be sloppier than someone starting doran's shield. If you're starting a doran's blade in any lane and take too much minion aggro, it puts you in a position to lose your lane if you screw up once, because you're not healing it back fast enough unless the opponent is truly incompetent (except in some corner cases like Nasus or Fiddles, I guess, or if you have a healer support).

In the later parts of the early game when you start picking up items, it will matter less, but the difference between item picks will still come up if you don't manipulate minion aggro correctly.


Also, I don't understand your meaning behind saying that it only matters in "those 1v1 situations." Two of the three lanes are 1v1 situations for a good amount of the early and mid games :smallconfused:

[NineThePuma]

Minion damage is important in terms of play, not itemization, you're right.

[One Tin Soldier]

So yah, I missed the memo that Jinx was nerfed
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s168/murderouseagle/leagueoflegends/jinx_zps7117b2eb.jpg (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/murderouseagle/media/leagueoflegends/jinx_zps7117b2eb.jpg.html)

Kept putting chompers in Akali's cloud, followed by Zap + rocket.

20-4-27 on a 49 kill game. You were directly involved in all but 2 kills. :smalleek:

So in a mystery gift exchange, I wound up with the Battlecast Prime Cho'Gath skin. I think I'm going to have to actually learn how to Cho so I can get some use out of it.

[NineThePuma]

PBE patch goes through, game crashes on using yellow trinket.

Man, I get that it's bug testing, but sometimes it's really frustrating to test.

(Xelnath is a pretty cool dude)

[toasty]

@Forrestfire: I'm saying that LoL is an imensively complicated game and of all the things I would tell a new player about minion aggro is not one of them I'd rather explain the different roles, positions, last hitting, how to jungle, using smite, baron, dragon, buff timers, itemization vs heroes, current pick/ban trends . . . etc before I explained minion aggro beyond "dont fight when there are minions, they hurt"

When a game like League is played as competitively as it has been for as long as it has been, the level of depth is rather immense in regards to all aspects of the game, it doesn't mean that your average player can make good decisions and have a fun game without completely understanding it.

[brutii]

If you're more worried about ban/pick trends than a basic mechanic of the game that can decide lanes early, you probably don't have a good sense of low-level gameplay. I mean, picks are important, but I'd put knowing how the game works slightly ahead of it. Don't you always lose whenever playing the OP picks anyway?

[Don Julio Anejo]

@Forrestfire: I'm saying that LoL is an imensively complicated game and of all the things I would tell a new player about minion aggro is not one of them I'd rather explain the different roles, positions, last hitting, how to jungle, using smite, baron, dragon, buff timers, itemization vs heroes, current pick/ban trends . . . etc before I explained minion aggro beyond "dont fight when there are minions, they hurt"

When a game like League is played as competitively as it has been for as long as it has been, the level of depth is rather immense in regards to all aspects of the game, it doesn't mean that your average player can make good decisions and have a fun game without completely understanding it.
Eh, short version of minion aggro as a ranged character (sorry, I don't play top at all) is, only harass if you're behind your own winion line or you think you can bully someone out of lane/secure a kill. Otherwise, you'll usually take too much damage for the trade to be worth it. Sure, Trist might do 250 damage to someone level 3 with her AA-E-AA combo, but if she takes 1 auto and 150 minion damage (like.. 8 caster projectiles), it almost breaks even.

But in general, I'd worry about your own champ mechanics before you worry about counters. Like, I can beat most Fizz-es or Katarinas midlane as Lux simply because I know to hold my light binding until they use their jump and use E-AA to harass like no tomorrow. Both are considered good counters to Lux. I'd probably lose to someone that mains either champ because they'd start to roam more than me, but an unfed/underfarmed Fizz or Kat is a lot less useful to the team than an unfed but well-farmed Lux with her 2 CC's and laser.

Same with, say, ADC. If you pick Tristana into a Caitlyn just because champselect tells you Tristana counters her, you're going to have a bad time if you don't play Tristana much. Caitlyn's 650 range hurts.

[Winthur]

If you're more worried about ban/pick trends than a basic mechanic of the game that can decide lanes early, you probably don't have a good sense of low-level gameplay.

Toasty? Nahhhhhhhhh...

[Olinser]

Minions themselves are only minorly important during early/mid game.

Dyrus begs to differ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_96ob3J66E)

[brutii]

Man, you couldn't link to the one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-tGm1vkaAc) that Dyrus himself uploaded?

[McDouggal]

PBE patch goes through, game crashes on using yellow trinket.

Man, I get that it's bug testing, but sometimes it's really frustrating to test.

(Xelnath is a pretty cool dude)

Did they fix the Pantheon ult bug and the bug about melee champs not damaging inhibs/nexus?

[Lix Lorn]

Very interesting, thanks. Always assumed minion and tower were true dmg.
As a note, last I checked, the Nexus obelisk on SR is true damage, but dominion and HA are physical.
(I don't play TT)

[ex cathedra]

so lotsa stuff

SNSD ahri tho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SwiSpudKWI)

season 4 masteries (http://dpatti.com/s4/) leave me very conflicted. you can't pick up my favorite offensive nodes (%pen) without effectively investing 21 into offense, so like every mastery page that i've ever made (they're all 9/21/0) is ruined. on the other hand the CDR mastery now gives 5% at rank 4 so that 39% CDR bull**** is finally over.

the new defensive tree is also pretty good for irelia so w/e

including more of the super-niche masteries like conjurer seems like a mistake to me, they don't really meaningfully improve the tree

[Eldariel]

I think Conjuror is cool. It might not be very useful (tho a bit of extra DPS out of Shaco Boxes at least) but just having the option of doing something of that nature is, IMHO, fun. I really like the early parts of the new utility tree in general; the Potion-mastery seems amazing. Extra healing out of each potion and then again with Biscuiteer? Yeah, I'm in.

On the other hand, the higher parts of the tree are too niche for how few options they offer. Expanded Mind on that tier is absolute crap for most champions; sure, getting a bit of extra mana is nice but not worth what you give up in either Defense or Offense and thus it seems like a Ryze-special again (except with the penetration mastery moved up I'm thinking Ryze might be more interested in 21 Offense now). Bandit, Inspiration, Scavenger and even Greed/Wealth are pretty much Support-specific masteries. While the capstone would be useful for many roamers and new Intelligence is pretty darn strong, there just isn't enough substance there for non-supports to vindicate going 21 Utility with much of the good stuff moved up in Offense and Defense.


Of course, all the capstones are kinda nerfed. I think the situationally more powerful Executioner was much better than the current Havoc, Tenacious is convenient but not all that necessary and 5% OOC move speed is worse than 3% move speed for most champs. Combined with the fact that Utility has two great 1-pointers on 3rd Tier (Runic Affinity & Culinary Master), 20/0/10 and 0/20/10 look somewhat alluring right now.

[Ivellius]

including more of the super-niche masteries like conjurer seems like a mistake to me, they don't really meaningfully improve the tree

Yeah, this looks problematic: it's going to have to be balanced around "abuse" cases like Yorick, Shaco, and Teemo, which means it will be worthless for everyone else. For those characters, it'll either be must-have or not particularly useful, and the latter case means no one will use it.

Edit: I do agree with Eldariel that it looks cool, though.

[zmasterofjersey]

So yah, I missed the memo that Jinx was nerfed
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s168/murderouseagle/leagueoflegends/jinx_zps7117b2eb.jpg (http://s152.photobucket.com/user/murderouseagle/media/leagueoflegends/jinx_zps7117b2eb.jpg.html)

Kept putting chompers in Akali's cloud, followed by Zap + rocket.

Great job in that game, but I do have a question. Why get botrk on jinx? It is my (probably incorrect) understanding that since she has those 2 amazing ratios, its better to go BT or Ie first on her

[Ashen Lilies]

SNSD ahri tho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SwiSpudKWI)


Riot really needs to stop finding ways into my wallet...

[McDouggal]

... Guys? I think Urgot might actually be good...

Don't kill me.

[NineThePuma]

... Guys? I think Urgot might actually be good...

Don't kill me.

He kinda is hilariously awesome when he's not getting slapped around

[Eldariel]

... Guys? I think Urgot might actually be good...

Don't kill me.

Yeah, he's fine. One of the better botlane/anti-AD bruisers and can actually build damage pretty viably too. Doesn't carry as hard late as ADCs of course but still does reasonable damage, provides nice initiation, is surprisingly hard to kill and has that damage reduction passive + AOE armor shred which does a lot of work.

Doublelift played him a few times in LCS to pretty good results. He obviously isn't the lategame beast that Twitch/Vayne/Trist are tho so when you run him you look to play more engagey bruiserey setups with more threats.

[Math_Mage]

If you can get away with 2v2ing, Urgot is good. I feel his laneswap game is poor, but that isn't a thing most people have to deal with.

[Eldariel]

If you can get away with 2v2ing, Urgot is good. I feel his laneswap game is poor, but that isn't a thing most people have to deal with.

In other words, in everywhere but competitive play he's fine. Competitively, well, Urgot is better on low items than any ADC so constant laneswaps benefit his team more if you just keep counterswapping.

[Olinser]

so lotsa stuff

SNSD ahri tho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SwiSpudKWI)

season 4 masteries (http://dpatti.com/s4/) leave me very conflicted. you can't pick up my favorite offensive nodes (%pen) without effectively investing 21 into offense, so like every mastery page that i've ever made (they're all 9/21/0) is ruined. on the other hand the CDR mastery now gives 5% at rank 4 so that 39% CDR bull**** is finally over.

the new defensive tree is also pretty good for irelia so w/e

including more of the super-niche masteries like conjurer seems like a mistake to me, they don't really meaningfully improve the tree

Several questions, I don't know whether they've been answered:

1) Both levels of Inspiration read exactly the same - +5 experience every 10 seconds while near a higher level allied champion. What is the actual value for 2 ranks?

2) Does Tenacious stack with Tenacity items?

3) Skill that 'reduces damage taken by critical strikes by 10%' - is that 10% off the final value or just the extra critical damage.

i.e. if you normally do 100 damage, and a crit does 200 damage. Does a crit now do 180 (10% off total), or 190 (10% off the 100 extra crit damage).

4) Damage off 'area of effect' - is this explicitly things that affect an area, like Annie Tibbers or Gragas Cask, or does it also apply to multi-hit spells like Brand's Pyroclasm or Sivir Richochet?

5) For Second Wind - are Lifesteal/Spell Vamp and self-healing abilities like Tryndamere heal considered 'incoming healing'? Or is this for only external sources like Sona or Soraka heal.

6) All of the 'reduces damage' masteries - do they apply before or after defenses?

7) How long do the Spell Weaving, Blade Weaving and Frenzy buffs last?

[TFT]

In other words, in everywhere but competitive play he's fine. Competitively, well, Urgot is better on low items than any ADC so constant laneswaps benefit his team more if you just keep counterswapping.

I could see him doing pretty well in a 1 v 2 too, but that would require him to build mostly pure tank because the only other tank would be the jungler.

[Math_Mage]

I could see him doing pretty well in a 1 v 2 too, but that would require him to build mostly pure tank because the only other tank would be the jungler.
Purple side. Give him blue buff. Ward against jungler 3v1. Congratulations, you have just won the lane. (But you better invade their blue first, else your jungler will be sad.) :smallamused:

[Eldariel]

I could see him doing pretty well in a 1 v 2 too, but that would require him to build mostly pure tank because the only other tank would be the jungler.

M5 did that pretty successfully once, giving him the first blue and putting him into 2v1 that he won ('cause bluebuff Urgot is kinda hilarious, tho especially against bruisers in 1v1 lane).

The game's here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56X3u9wYXW4). It's the one with roam Alistar going around the map killing everyone with Diamond Lee.

EDIT: Obviously, it being Genja, he did indeed go pretty much Tankgot. To be fair, with a low cooldown shield, the ulti steroids and damage/armor shred, Tankgot is pretty darn efficient too.

[ex cathedra]

Doublelift played him a few times in LCS to pretty good results. He obviously isn't the lategame beast that Twitch/Vayne/Trist are tho so when you run him you look to play more engagey bruiserey setups with more threats.
i would say that he played him to "pretty good, but also sometimes really awkward" results. there was at least one game in which he six-item'd as urgot and only then realized that urgot's six-item is terrible compared even to modestly scaling ADCs.


2) Does Tenacious stack with Tenacity items?
almost certainly. it's not yet confirmed but the current tenacity mastery does and i'd be extremely surprised to see it simultaneously nerfed and moved to the capstone


3) Skill that 'reduces damage taken by critical strikes by 10%' - is that 10% off the final value or just the extra critical damage.
this is another question that has more to do with current masteries than the incoming changes. the current reinforced armor mastery, if i recall correctly, reduced the total post-mitigation damage of entire critical strikes by 10%.


4) Damage off 'area of effect' - is this explicitly things that affect an area, like Annie Tibbers or Gragas Cask, or does it also apply to multi-hit spells like Brand's Pyroclasm or Sivir Richochet?
all abilities that current target a single champion and then bounce to others are treated as area of effect skills in relevant scenarios. this could potentially change.


5) For Second Wind - are Lifesteal/Spell Vamp and self-healing abilities like Tryndamere heal considered 'incoming healing'? Or is this for only external sources like Sona or Soraka heal.
the wording on such abilities and effects is meant to exclude outgoing healing. all healing you do to yourself, from regen to lifesteal/vamp to self-healing, is amplified. if you are capable of healing others, that healing on others is unaffected.


6) All of the 'reduces damage' masteries - do they apply before or after defenses?
it's inconsistent.


7) How long do the Spell Weaving, Blade Weaving and Frenzy buffs last?
frenzy currently lasts 2 seconds, the season 4 frenzy looks to last 4, idk about the weaving skills.

[Cogwheel]

... Guys? I think Urgot might actually be good...

Don't kill me.

Would you like Iron Solari Urgot, or Pool Party Urgot?

[NineThePuma]

weaving skills.

I know that, for Udyr at least, his Tiger Proc and Bear Stun don't count as spell procs, which is kinda sad.

[Joran]

Jinx come to real life (youtube video) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lNnlaJd80)

Massive, massive props to this cosplayer. Holy uncanny valley.

[Dusk Eclipse]

so lotsa stuff

SNSD ahri tho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SwiSpudKWI)

season 4 masteries (http://dpatti.com/s4/) leave me very conflicted. you can't pick up my favorite offensive nodes (%pen) without effectively investing 21 into offense, so like every mastery page that i've ever made (they're all 9/21/0) is ruined. on the other hand the CDR mastery now gives 5% at rank 4 so that 39% CDR bull**** is finally over.

the new defensive tree is also pretty good for irelia so w/e

including more of the super-niche masteries like conjurer seems like a mistake to me, they don't really meaningfully improve the tree

Care to elaborate please? I main Irelia >_>

[Antonok]

Anyone else prefer the new sivir as a mid rather then adc?

[Eldariel]

i would say that he played him to "pretty good, but also sometimes really awkward" results. there was at least one game in which he six-item'd as urgot and only then realized that urgot's six-item is terrible compared even to modestly scaling ADCs.

To be fair, that was just them being terrible at finishing the game. Still, Urgot is only a terrible ADC compared to a 6-item ADC. He's a fine bruiser if you go the tanky route with him but of course, it being CLG that's not gonna work out for them and Doublelift wants to carry. But yeah, I don't think the problems that game were really intrinsic to Urgot more-so than CLG.

[TechnOkami]

Urgot Mid for days, butcher Fizz like I just don't care.

[Antonok]

Seems clamping will be gone in season 4 and tier demotions will be added in. (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/11/preseason-leagues-improvements-on-pbe.html)

Edit: Also wish they'd stop using Reddit to post half this stuff :smallconfused:

[ex cathedra]

Seems clamping will be gone in season 4 and tier demotions will be added in. (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/11/preseason-leagues-improvements-on-pbe.html)

Edit: Also wish they'd stop using Reddit to post half this stuff :smallconfused:

reddit has historically been the best source of league information so i don't see why you'd expect that to change

[Antonok]

reddit has historically been the best source of league information so i don't see why you'd expect that to change

I don't, I just vehemently dislike that site

[PersonMan]

I don't, I just vehemently dislike that site

Why's that?

[ChaosOS]

It's their largest congregation of fan base, the problem they've noted with their own forums is they're segregated by region and thus it's hard to collate NA+EU+Some others

[Clarkson]

It does make it difficult for those who don't look at Reddit to get the information.

Of course, there are people like me who won't even see it if they post it on the forum. That's my problem though.

[Socratov]

It does make it difficult for those who don't look at Reddit to get the information.

Of course, there are people like me who won't even see it if they post it on the forum. That's my problem though.

i knwo what you are talking about, for me it's the same

[Hawkfrost000]

Jinx come to real life (youtube video) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0lNnlaJd80)

Massive, massive props to this cosplayer. Holy uncanny valley.

Dat lip bite.

Seriously nice job, one of the best cosplays i've ever seen. Ranks right up there with my friends super scary joker impression.

DM

[Terazul]

Man, this has been bugging me the last couple times I've had to deal with her: Is there any good reason Zyra's plant-pets are like, the only summonable minion that requires a minimum number of hits to kill? It's really annoying that regardless of whether I have 3 or 300 AD I have to shoot the thing three times before it disappears, or that as heimer my turrets can be one shot but hers can't. Yeah, Zyra's are more temporary, but the segmented health greatly inflates their durability comparatively. Maybe I'm just missing something.

Also that Jinx cosplay is wonderful.

[Artanis]

Man, this has been bugging me the last couple times I've had to deal with her: Is there any good reason Zyra's plant-pets are like, the only summonable minion that requires a minimum number of hits to kill? It's really annoying that regardless of whether I have 3 or 300 AD I have to shoot the thing three times before it disappears, or that as heimer my turrets can be one shot but hers can't. Yeah, Zyra's are more temporary, but the segmented health greatly inflates their durability comparatively. Maybe I'm just missing something.
I think you answered your own question there :smalltongue:

[Neoseanster]

Man, this has been bugging me the last couple times I've had to deal with her: Is there any good reason Zyra's plant-pets are like, the only summonable minion that requires a minimum number of hits to kill? It's really annoying that regardless of whether I have 3 or 300 AD I have to shoot the thing three times before it disappears, or that as heimer my turrets can be one shot but hers can't. Yeah, Zyra's are more temporary, but the segmented health greatly inflates their durability comparatively. Maybe I'm just missing something.

Also that Jinx cosplay is wonderful.


As a Zyra player, it has pros and cons.

On the one hand they still take the ADC three shots to kill.

On the other, they *melt* if the enemy team has anyone with an AoE DOT. Renekton in ult with sunfire cape or Hecarim with W melt your plants instantly just by standing vaguely near them.

[toasty]

I don't, I just vehemently dislike that site

Seems like a foolish thing, since reddit seems like the kind of website that's extremely customize-able.

[Antonok]

Seems like a foolish thing, since reddit seems like the kind of website that's extremely customize-able.

Probably, but that site has been nothing but a nightmare for me. I've got it as a blacklisted site (mostly due to it seeming to give me a virus every time I visit it)

[toasty]

Probably, but that site has been nothing but a nightmare for me. I've got it as a blacklisted site (mostly due to it seeming to give me a virus every time I visit it)

I find it impossible to believe reddit is actually giving you viruses. Its one of the most high volume sites in the internet. sites like those ... don't give viruses. :smalltongue:

[Godskook]

Holy uncanny valley.

Every time I read this, all I can think is "That's not what uncanny valley means (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley)".

[Joran]

Every time I read this, all I can think is "That's not what uncanny valley means (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley)".

Yup, but the unsettled, creepy feeling I get from the cosplayer is the same feeling I get from actual uncanny valley. There's just something about the red eyes, blue hair that makes it feel unnatural; more than someone doing a Ryze cosplay for instance.

[Duos]

Personally, I dislike Reddit because as a general rule of thumb it is a massive circklejerk where any dissenting opinion is downvoted into oblivion in favor of insular, mastrubatory feel-good posts; with, perhaps, the exception of things like AMAs, because usually the OP can give enough structure to those threads to keep them from devolving into a cesspool of whining and closed opinions.

[Hawkfrost000]

Personally, I dislike Reddit because as a general rule of thumb it is a massive circklejerk where any dissenting opinion is downvoted into oblivion in favor of insular, mastrubatory feel-good posts; with, perhaps, the exception of things like AMAs, because usually the OP can give enough structure to those threads to keep them from devolving into a cesspool of whining and closed opinions.

Read some of the more heavily moderated subredits, like AskScience or AskHistorians. Even AskReddit is pretty good. AskMen and AskWomen are also good. PCGaming is a nice sub if you cant stand the normal Gaming crowd.

Reddit is like the political system, chances are there's a party that fits your ideas.

[Godskook]

Honestly, I see LoL Reddit as a bad place to go for opinions, but as a fairly good source for AMAs, goofy videos, fan creations and breaking news. Considering Riot uses it for AMAs and news releases, I really don't see much of a problem with it in that respect.

Also, considering that RoG and this thread exist, I don't really feel a desire to have Reddit fill that space anyway.

[Math_Mage]

Honestly, I see LoL Reddit as a bad place to go for opinions, but as a fairly good source for AMAs, goofy videos, fan creations and breaking news. Considering Riot uses it for AMAs and news releases, I really don't see much of a problem with it in that respect.

Also, considering that RoG and this thread exist, I don't really feel a desire to have Reddit fill that space anyway.
Also, VoDs.

[ex cathedra]

Personally, I dislike Reddit because as a general rule of thumb it is a massive circklejerk where any dissenting opinion is downvoted into oblivion in favor of insular, mastrubatory feel-good posts; with, perhaps, the exception of things like AMAs, because usually the OP can give enough structure to those threads to keep them from devolving into a cesspool of whining and closed opinions.

1) circlejerking is to some extent endemic to every community, this one included, there's just a name for it on reddit.

2) as pointed out a few posts before me, subreddit quality is not homogenous across the site. the exaggerated behavior you've described is largely concentrated in high-volume default subreddits. quality discourse can be found if you're willing to look.

I find it impossible to believe reddit is actually giving you viruses. Its one of the most high volume sites in the internet. sites like those ... don't give viruses. :smalltongue:

uhm, yeah, that's not reddit, that's incompetence.

Also, considering that RoG and this thread exist, I don't really feel a desire to have Reddit fill that space anyway.

i find that surrender at 20 (http://www.surrenderat20.net/) has practically all of the news found on RoG but without the ****ty editorials.

[Winthur]

Every time I read this, all I can think is "That's not what uncanny valley means (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley)".

hurr durr this troper doesn't care what you think



uhm, yeah, that's not reddit, that's incompetence.
double-check who you respond to pls

[ex cathedra]

double-check who you respond to pls

seyruun bby pls

[Siosilvar]

i find that surrender at 20 (http://www.surrenderat20.net/) has practically all of the news found on RoG but without the ****ty editorials.

The editorials and math are the only reason I still read RoG. If I wanted only red posts and what's on the PBE right now, I'd go to s@20, but I want to see what RoG and Cloth5 have to say about the game, not what the game's going to be.

[ex cathedra]

The editorials and math are the only reason I still read RoG. If I wanted only red posts and what's on the PBE right now, I'd go to s@20, but I want to see what RoG and Cloth5 have to say about the game, not what the game's going to be.

fair enough, i've just been reliably disappointed in the quality of "theorycrafting" produced by several of their blogs.

[Olinser]

Just went to open up LoL and it has a rather sizeable patch it is downloading.

Did something get unlocked/patched that I didn't notice?

[Olinser]

Great, whatever it was brought by the old problem of 'black window on login' that I had FIXED months ago.

[Qwertystop]

Well. I found an interesting Nasus picture.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/2f07cc7a2550e200d2c269aeba9aedc2.jpg
(pretty sure it shouldn't be a screenstretcher)

[Forrestfire]

Given that it's a 403 error for me, definitely not a screen stretcher :smalltongue:

EDIT: Now that I went directly to the image itself, that is amazing.

[Silverraptor]

Hey guys. I just want to show you the best Ranked Game I've had so far.:smallbiggrin:

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/silverraptor_photo/Screenshots/093.png (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/silverraptor_photo/media/Screenshots/093.png.html)

[Dusk Eclipse]

That Nasus pic made me Lol, more since I could clearly heard it with his old English voice.

Edit: Does anyone knows of good youtube commentators? I recently started watching CaptainMonk and Anklespankin videos and I've been really enjoying them so I would like to find more.

[NineThePuma]

Man, I don't want to shell out 1820 worth the rp for Infernal Nasus, but at least the redone voice fits there.

[Grytorm]

I really want to start playing League again but I have no idea how to fix it. And I suck at computers making it even worse. Whenever I try to open it I receive the message PvP.net Patcher Kernel is not responding. Any ideas how to fix that?

[Reinboom]

After only a couple weeks of ranked, I'm gold. :D

[NineThePuma]

After only a couple weeks of ranked, I'm gold. :D

And suddenly patch is now.

[Olinser]

Well. I found an interesting Nasus picture.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/2f07cc7a2550e200d2c269aeba9aedc2.jpg
(pretty sure it shouldn't be a screenstretcher)

http://cdn.memegenerator.co/instances/400x/39458467.jpg

[brutii]

So I am pretty damn sure LP gains are currently capped at 30. That's like 6 games in a row with 30LP gains.

[McDouggal]

Also, VoDs.

Case in point: http://www.reddit.com/r/LoLeventVoDs/

This is my favorite subreddit.


That Nasus pic made me Lol, more since I could clearly heard it with his old English voice.

Edit: Does anyone knows of good youtube commentators? I recently started watching CaptainMonk and Anklespankin videos and I've been really enjoying them so I would like to find more.

Sykkuno. (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sykkuno?feature=g-subs-u)

Also, thanks for the Mafia Miss Fortune mystery gift, Hawkfrost!

[Olinser]

So I am pretty damn sure LP gains are currently capped at 30. That's like 6 games in a row with 30LP gains.

They are not, unless they did it in a recent patch. I got 31-35 LP only 2 months ago. Actually went from 0 LP to 99 LP in 3 games.

[Renegade Paladin]

Inversion practice is in roughly two hours. After our resounding victory on Monday, can we try to get enough to actually play Rift tonight? :smallwink:

[Dusk Eclipse]

Case in point: http://www.reddit.com/r/LoLeventVoDs/

This is my favorite subreddit.



Sykkuno. (http://www.youtube.com/user/Sykkuno?feature=g-subs-u)

Also, thanks for the Mafia Miss Fortune mystery gift, Hawkfrost!

Thanks for the link McDougal, he has some really interesting games.

On other note I got another idea that I desperately want to work, but it problably won't so I think I'll run it by you first.

Since Irelia's Q procs on-hit effect, I got the idea to max it first and build items that apply as much effects as possible. So far I've though of building

Berserker/Tabi (with Furor or most likely homeguard)
Trinitity Force
Frozen Mallet (Doubles as defensive Item)
Wit's End (same as above)
Spirit Visage/Randuin's (need some armour after all, oh and does anyone knows if the healing from her W is affected by SV)
BotRK or BT (not sure which would be better to be honest)

[The Hellbug]

My experience says that Irelia works best with triforce+all the tankiness (try to get some cooldown in there too). However, it wouldn't be illogical for your build there to work. However, you become much easier to stop by just getting cc'd and bursted than a standard Irelia build.

[Lix Lorn]

Spirit visage will work with her W.

That build looks pretty cool. In fact, the only difference between that and my build is probably that I hadn't thought of spirit visage.

But I don't play her much, and don't build most of my bruisers tanky enough.

[dgnslyr]

Triforce is the single best damage item Irelia could ask for, and BorK is the runner up. Irelia likes AS quite a bit, and both give her plenty. They both also improve her sticking power and give her all the damage she'll need.

Visage is an amazing tank item in general, doubly so for someone who gets a lot of free healing and will likely build BorK.

Randuin's is good as always, since it helps make her even stickier, and it's just a strong item in general.

As for a fifth item, you can't go wrong with Guardian Angel. I like CDR a lot more than I probably should, so I'd consider Frozen Heart against AD-heavy teams.

As for boots, Tabi and Mercs (what's cc lol) are both great options. 'zerkers are almost always reserved for adcs, since most bruisers can't really afford to sacrifice that key bit of boot-based tankiness when the amazing Tabi and Mercs exist.

Mallet, especially the new mallet, is just really eww in general, for most champs. It's in direct competition with Randuin's, which costs about the same and also builds out of a Giant's Belt, and the permaslow is tactically not that much more powerful than the Randuin's sploosh. Old mallet was obsoleted by Triforce, at least as far as Irelia is concerned, and new Mallet doesn't offer much that Randuin's doesn't do, so it's in a sadder spot than usual.

[Siosilvar]

Alright, I officially give up on SoloQ until the season ends. I can get up to 80-100LP in Silver II... then I hit Gold 5 MMR and everything goes to hell for two games, then I screw up the next two because tilt. This has happened three times now, so instead of punishing myself for 44 more wins or Gold, I'm done for now.

[ex cathedra]

irelia functions off of a single offensive item for 90% of the game. get one (generally triforce, can change from patch to patch) and tank up for midgame unless you're snowballing really hard. even then, go full tank after your botrk.

i still don't think that wit's end is good. the build path is terrible (ugh flat AS items are the worst) and it doesn't do enough for its cost. the mr shred is negligible. if you need a mr item for lane domination (e.g. vs elise or rumble) just get hexdrinker. seriously. wit's end is not a high-impact item, it doesn't give you enough stats to justify it as a defensive item, on-hits are not that important.

tabi/merc treads are the correct boots in >85% of games. irelia's passive does not remove your need for tenacity but it does allow you to become nigh-impossible to peel without displacement. zerker greaves have their niche on irelia but in general the tabi passive or the combination of mr and tenacity from merc treads are superior. knowing which to build in each games depends on your ability to analyze teams. there are over 110 champions in the game so it's not really something that can be quickly taught.

mallet is not efficient as a defensive item and flat health rarely cuts it at that stage in the game regardless. you generally need two armor items by the time you get to the 5/6 item mark, sacrificing a valuable item slot for mallet is a poor choice. one is almost always (>95%) randuins. the other is sunfire or GA. tabi don't count.

against even the heaviest of ap-heavy teams you'll rarely need more MR than your runes, MR/level, merc treads, and spirit visage provide. that said, GA and banshee's veil are not weak choices. some people would argue for wit's end here.

max w. always. don't max q. hell, don't even max it second in most games. start e or soooommmmetimes q.

in summation/other stuff:
start with E and doran's shield (sometimes flask against champions who can't poke with autos or trade aggressively early. the only example that comes immediately to mind is rumble). get q and w by level 3. max w. consider a doran's blade in matchups where the early stats are relevant.

rush phage, then sheen, then triforce. start warden's mail or chain vest vs ad, negatron vs ap, or tabi vs trynd. turn those into randuin's, sunfire, or visage respectively. generally look to finish boots and start on your second defensive item here. pick one depending on team comp. when you have triforce, completed boots, and two full defensive items consider either botrk (if you're feeling confident in teamfights with your current items or if you're split-pushing), randuins (if you rushed sunfire into visage), GA (if you have randuin's + visage), or visage (if you rushed sunfire into randuin's). sixth slot should be botrk if you picked a defensive item or a defensive item if you picked botrk.

it's pretty basic.

[Anarion]

After only a couple weeks of ranked, I'm gold. :D

Congrats.


Alright, I officially give up on SoloQ until the season ends. I can get up to 80-100LP in Silver II... then I hit Gold 5 MMR and everything goes to hell for two games, then I screw up the next two because tilt. This has happened three times now, so instead of punishing myself for 44 more wins or Gold, I'm done for now.

I'm right there with you (literally, Vlad's Infiltrators, ugh!) but don't stop. Just play some fun games, stay in practice, get better. We'll both eventually move up.

[brutii]

When did my ranked MMR get to the point where it's the Plat 5 on the enemy team that's dragging the Elo down? I'm not even in Silver 1 promos yet.

[heronbpv]

@Reinboon (or anyone who knows this info):
Do you, by any chance, know which is the LoL server IP? The guys at the tech dep. here where I work are asking in order to make a filter and let the game pass the firewalls (or something like that).
Dunno if it's illegal to ask or whatnot, just excited that I may be able to play during luch time at work!!! :p


@Edit:

Preferably the Brazillian server IPs, since it's the one most people play here.

[Dusk Eclipse]

irelia functions off of a single offensive item for 90% of the game. get one (generally triforce, can change from patch to patch) and tank up for midgame unless you're snowballing really hard. even then, go full tank after your botrk.

i still don't think that wit's end is good. the build path is terrible (ugh flat AS items are the worst) and it doesn't do enough for its cost. the mr shred is negligible. if you need a mr item for lane domination (e.g. vs elise or rumble) just get hexdrinker. seriously. wit's end is not a high-impact item, it doesn't give you enough stats to justify it as a defensive item, on-hits are not that important.

tabi/merc treads are the correct boots in >85% of games. irelia's passive does not remove your need for tenacity but it does allow you to become nigh-impossible to peel without displacement. zerker greaves have their niche on irelia but in general the tabi passive or the combination of mr and tenacity from merc treads are superior. knowing which to build in each games depends on your ability to analyze teams. there are over 110 champions in the game so it's not really something that can be quickly taught.

mallet is not efficient as a defensive item and flat health rarely cuts it at that stage in the game regardless. you generally need two armor items by the time you get to the 5/6 item mark, sacrificing a valuable item slot for mallet is a poor choice. one is almost always (>95%) randuins. the other is sunfire or GA. tabi don't count.

against even the heaviest of ap-heavy teams you'll rarely need more MR than your runes, MR/level, merc treads, and spirit visage provide. that said, GA and banshee's veil are not weak choices. some people would argue for wit's end here.

max w. always. don't max q. hell, don't even max it second in most games. start e or soooommmmetimes q.

in summation/other stuff:
start with E and doran's shield (sometimes flask against champions who can't poke with autos or trade aggressively early. the only example that comes immediately to mind is rumble). get q and w by level 3. max w. consider a doran's blade in matchups where the early stats are relevant.

rush phage, then sheen, then triforce. start warden's mail or chain vest vs ad, negatron vs ap, or tabi vs trynd. turn those into randuin's, sunfire, or visage respectively. generally look to finish boots and start on your second defensive item here. pick one depending on team comp. when you have triforce, completed boots, and two full defensive items consider either botrk (if you're feeling confident in teamfights with your current items or if you're split-pushing), randuins (if you rushed sunfire into visage), GA (if you have randuin's + visage), or visage (if you rushed sunfire into randuin's). sixth slot should be botrk if you picked a defensive item or a defensive item if you picked botrk.

it's pretty basic.

It doesn't really looks basic to me, but it is really good advice, thanks.

[brutii]

I don't know how up-to-date it is, and it lacks Brazil server info, but this (https://support.leagueoflegends.com/entries/20749152-server-ip-addresses) is something I had bookmarked ages ago.

[heronbpv]

^Though I couldn't access the link (was not logged in it seems; is it my PVP.NET account?), I was able to find one hopeful source that lists the ports needed by the game. Well, no IP address yet but this is helpful. Thanks brutii, have an internet! D:

[toasty]

It doesn't really looks basic to me, but it is really good advice, thanks.

Aether is Plat. Remember that "basic" means different things to different skill levels. ;)

[Godskook]

Aether is Plat. Remember that "basic" means different things to different skill levels. ;)

With Aether, it usually means "something Aether figured out and/or decided more than a month ago". I don't think I've ever seen him call something 'advanced' outside of truly "cutting edge" ideas like Ryze top or something.

[Miscast_Mage]

So. Umm. Hi Peeps. Been a good while since I've posted; I just transfered my account over to EUWest, so if you could me add as BabyNinjaBear on EUWest that'd be great.

Also! I bought Cassiopeia on a whim and loving her from a few Dominion games so far; any advice on playing her on Summoners Rift though? Is it worth building revolver on her for spellvamp?

[Olinser]

So. Umm. Hi Peeps. Been a good while since I've posted; I just transfered my account over to EUWest, so if you could me add as BabyNinjaBear on EUWest that'd be great.

Also! I bought Cassiopeia on a whim and loving her from a few Dominion games so far; any advice on playing her on Summoners Rift though? Is it worth building revolver on her for spellvamp?

For most mid champions revolver simply isn't a very good first buy (excepting Vlad mid), or even second buy.

If you buy it first, you won't have the mana pool to take advantage of it - it is only 12% spell vamp, after all. to get just the same amount of health from it that you'd get from chugging just 1 health potion - 150 health - you'd have to deal 1250 damage with spells.

It just doesn't generate enough sustain in lane to justify it for almost all champions, especially since you are now going to be behind your lane opponent in terms of power.

[Fjolnir]

Opinions on this gem (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/early-look-featured-gameplay-modes) from the PBE? I think it is funny that on normal matchmaking they've banned Teemo and Karthus due to unfun.

[Nerocite]

Opinions on this gem (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/early-look-featured-gameplay-modes) from the PBE? I think it is funny that on normal matchmaking they've banned Teemo and Karthus due to unfun.

I wanna see 5 Dravens. Heck, 10 Dravens. The axes never stop.

[WyvernLord]

Opinions on this gem (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/early-look-featured-gameplay-modes) from the PBE? I think it is funny that on normal matchmaking they've banned Teemo and Karthus due to unfun.

I just played a Riven vs Zed match. I was a riven and we won. I did pretty well so I had fun. Going to try some more matches over the next few days. I'll give more reports when I play some games. I can't wait to try some games with Gitp's at some point.

[Reinboom]

@Reinboon (or anyone who knows this info):
Do you, by any chance, know which is the LoL server IP? The guys at the tech dep. here where I work are asking in order to make a filter and let the game pass the firewalls (or something like that).
Dunno if it's illegal to ask or whatnot, just excited that I may be able to play during luch time at work!!! :p


@Edit:

Preferably the Brazillian server IPs, since it's the one most people play here.

Those are in clusters, can have multiple IPs, and can change. It makes it difficult to really give you a full breadth of things to open. :/

[TechnOkami]

...so... I think I can legitimately start playing Skarner again.

You all have no idea how happy this makes me.

I still need a tear to fix his mana problems, but I never realized how sticky he became with new Triforce. So... a full build for him assuming they have a balanced amount of damage from both Magic and Attack would be something along the lines of this:

-Trinity Force
-Boots of Swiftness
-Spirit of the Ancient Golem
-Spirit Visage
-Sunfire Cape
-Manamune

[Math_Mage]

...so... I think I can legitimately start playing Skarner again.

You all have no idea how happy this makes me.

I still need a tear to fix his mana problems, but I never realized how sticky he became with new Triforce. So... a full build for him assuming they have a balanced amount of damage from both Magic and Attack would be something along the lines of this:

-Trinity Force
-Boots of Swiftness
-Spirit of the Ancient Golem
-Spirit Visage
-Sunfire Cape
-Manamune
where the roa at doe

[TechnOkami]

where the roa at doe

...I don't think that would be good on him not do I think it would give nearly enough mana.

If you're referencing my days where I thought that was a good idea... I've changed. Hell, the only champion I get RoA on these days is Swain. Then again I play a small pool of champs which RoA would be good on, and I like Archangels on Singed too much.

[PersonMan]

I like Archangels on Singed too much.

Only real Singed build is Archangel's/Muramana/Rod of Ages/Rod of Ages/Tear of the Goddess/Frozen Heart.

[Eurus]

Opinions on this gem (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/early-look-featured-gameplay-modes) from the PBE? I think it is funny that on normal matchmaking they've banned Teemo and Karthus due to unfun.

Oh my goodness that's so glorious. I've wanted to see that for ages. You could run League of Draven matches, or see how many Heimerdinger turrets you can choke a lane with, or stomp an army of Tibberses down the enemy line while blasting Ride of the Valkyries.

[ChaosOS]

I'm not even convinced ROA is good on Swain, the mana cost on his ult is so big and the DPS on it is so low compared to his QWE that raw AP with DFG is incredibly powerful with some pen from guise and sorcs and void.

[TechnOkami]

I'm not even convinced ROA is good on Swain, the mana cost on his ult is so big and the DPS on it is so low compared to his QWE that raw AP with DFG is incredibly powerful with some pen from guise and sorcs and void.

RoA + Chalice + passive buffs fixes his mana issues, I feel. And RoA make him tankier, able to deal more damage w/ Ult throughout a fight because he's persisting. Idk, I like it on him.

[ex cathedra]

RoA + Chalice + passive buffs fixes his mana issues, I feel. And RoA make him tankier, able to deal more damage w/ Ult throughout a fight because he's persisting. Idk, I like it on him.

can you really argue that his mana issues are fixed if you're still building two whole mana items

[Olinser]

League of Legends cosplay - you're doing it right!

http://i.imgur.com/R941MMp.jpg

[Recaiden]

can you really argue that his mana issues are fixed if you're still building two whole mana items

Yes. Yes;that's literally the definition.

[Godskook]

can you really argue that his mana issues are fixed if you're still building two whole mana items

You're twisting his words. He didnt say "Swains mana issues are fixed", he said "I buy these items to fix Swain's mana issues".

[ex cathedra]

You're twisting his words. He didnt say "Swains mana issues are fixed", he said "I buy these items to fix Swain's mana issues".

i misunderstood. that said, the chalice is very likely completely unnecessary.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I know season 3 hasn't even finished yet, but does anyone have an idea when will season 4 start? I want to be as ready as possible for it and right now it involves getting 10 more levels and a couple more champions.

[Hawkfrost000]

I know season 3 hasn't even finished yet, but does anyone have an idea when will season 4 start? I want to be as ready as possible for it and right now it involves getting 10 more levels and a couple more champions.

The season ends on tuesday. Season four will probably start in January.

DM

[Dusk Eclipse]

Thanks, that means I still have two months to get to level 30:smallbiggrin:

[TechnOkami]

i misunderstood. that said, the chalice is very likely completely unnecessary.

*shrug* I have a habitual habit of running out of mana in the middle of the fight, and I'm minimizing that occurrence by building at least one mana item so I don't need to think about it.

[ChaosOS]

Proper swain play is about managing mana, and high AP and pen builds actually run out of mana less because you're only in for 4 seconds at a time and so don't ramp up the mana cost too much.

[McDouggal]

... Can someone please tell me how Nbee did this (http://youtu.be/O2fvRCPmFIY?t=3m)? I got the Q in, but from there it's just too fast.

[Recaiden]

... Can someone please tell me how Nbee did this (http://youtu.be/O2fvRCPmFIY?t=3m)? I got the Q in, but from there it's just too fast.

It looks like he used Dragon's Rage in the middle of using Resonating Strike. Is that possible? And then Cripple, Place ward, Safeguard that ward.

[Nadevoc]

It looks like he used Dragon's Rage in the middle of using Resonating Strike. Is that possible? And then Cripple, Place ward, Safeguard that ward.

Looks like this. I know you can use abilities mid Q-jump (since in my early Lee days, I would often Safeguard before the Q actually hit, turn around in mid-air, and do no damage). So it's just a matter of good timing and a bit of luck getting the reposition effect down before the Q actually registers as having made contact, and then the DR movement being slightly faster than the Resonating Strike movement.

[Math_Mage]

What nbee did there was actually relatively simple, just QQ-ward-W-R. Graves' repositioning is due to Graves trying to dash away. Considering how much damage raw Q did, I don't think it took anything else--nbee killed him by being fed. There's no Cripple debuff primed on the minions, so he can't have used it. At most there was an extra autoattack somewhere in there--but I didn't see or hear it. The "haha haha haha haha" part is because he intended to kick Graves back to Riven for the finish, but he accidentally killed Graves too fast.

[Olinser]

So last night I finished the 3rd longest ranked game I have ever played - 55:39. Death timers started getting ridiculous, and we finally had a 4 for 2 fight (in out own base, no less) that let us take their Nexus with the 80 second death timers.

The longest ranked game I've ever played was 61:19.

Just curious, what are some other people's longest ranked games ever? (I specifically say ranked because it is perfectly possible for custom and normal games to go on longer if the winning team doesn't feel like finishing it).

[heronbpv]

Those are in clusters, can have multiple IPs, and can change. It makes it difficult to really give you a full breadth of things to open. :/

Thanks for the answer Reinboom! (and sorry for the late response; no-net weekend is bad weekend for me :()
Well, we'll manage I think. Hopefully the tech guys can do something about it with just the article on the support site, listing the ports and stuff! D:

[McDouggal]

HolocronCoder, your mystery gift has been sent.

Also, Dragon Trainer Lulu (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/8344) is on sale from the 12th thru the 15th.

[Thomas Cardew]

My longest ranked game was ~73 min long. (Team 5 not solo queue) Death timers are ridiculous. Also gotta love those awkward moments when both teams get aced because Baron finished off the last champ standing.

And when you've aced the enemy team but you're the only one left as Leona with Shurelya's, locket, boots, sightstone, and spooky ghost.

I guess I'll... push? Somehow.

[Socratov]

meh, I'll wait until the EUW servers are stable again... internet connection is fine, but still so much lag :smallannoyed:. Well, soon Amsterdam will be up and that will probably fix it all...

[Forrestfire]

So... End of the season... Turns out I wasn't getting to Gold after all :smallsigh::smallfrown:

Oh well, Silver 1 is still pretty good for someone who started at Bronze V towards the middle of the summer.