Can you still level with a 100% experience penalty?

[Devronq]

Coming off of the thread that was asking about multiclass experience penalties, what would happen if you had some sort of build that granted you a 100% experience penalty and then you read the book of exalted deeds? (the artifact in the DMG not the irl book :P)

I think you might still level... It doesn't give a set amount it sets your XP to a certain number. However the wording does say "you gain enough xp to" and infinite minus 100% is still zero.

What do you guys think? Also can you think of a way to level with still having a 100% experience penalty?

[Captnq]

:eek:

Why? What possible need does this line of questioning fulfill? What aspect of the game does this explore and clarify? How do we expand our knowledge by learning the nature of this particular limitation?

[Doc_Maynot]

Damnit Cap'n Q, inquiring minds need to know. Thats why.

I would think that not even that could give you XP, and it would be a hard knock life for you.

[Devronq]

Damnit Cap'n Q, inquiring minds need to know. Thats why.

I would think that not even that could give you XP, and it would be a hard knock life for you.

That's exactly why I need to know :) but really i have absolutely no use for the information i was just curious :P

[Artillery]

How do you get to a 100% experience penalty from multiclassing?

1 first/3 second/5 third /7 fourth/9 fifth/11 sixth. So you need to be level 36 to have 6 base classes of sufficiently different level to have a 100% multiclass experience penalty. This is assuming you don't take any in a favored class.

That is impressive.

[Karnith]

How do you get to a 100% experience penalty from multiclassing?

1 first/3 second/5 third /7 fourth/9 fifth/11 sixth. So you need to be level 36 to have 6 base classes of sufficiently different level to have a 100% multiclass experience penalty. This is assuming you don't take any in a favored class.

That is impressive.
No, you can get a 100% XP penalty by level 8 or so. Say, as a Fighter 1/Monk 1/Rogue 1/Barbarian 1/Ranger 1/Swashbuckler 3 (Egads! It's so powerful!). You take a -20% XP penalty for each class that isn't within one level of your highest-level class.

[Doc_Maynot]

Yeah I was just about to say, this right here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292844) can show just how crazy it can be.

[Spore]

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Why? What possible need does this line of questioning fulfill? What aspect of the game does this explore and clarify? How do we expand our knowledge by learning the nature of this particular limitation?

None. This is pure math nerd speaking, and I love the question. The same question applies when a math major asks you which algorithm approaches infinity more quickly.

[Devronq]

Yeah I was just about to say, this right here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292844) can show just how crazy it can be.

Exactly that thread was why I made my thread :p

[Chronos]

No, see, what you do is you get an experience penalty of greater than 100%, and then you try to lose experience. You'll instead lose a negative amount of experience, which causes you to, on net, gain experience, and you can still level up.

[ShurikVch]

No, see, what you do is you get an experience penalty of greater than 100%, and then you try to lose experience. You'll instead lose a negative amount of experience, which causes you to, on net, gain experience, and you can still level up.

Craft a magic items and get XP for it! :smallsmile:

[nedz]

No, see, what you do is you get an experience penalty of greater than 100%, and then you try to lose experience. You'll instead lose a negative amount of experience, which causes you to, on net, gain experience, and you can still level up.

Which I already covered in this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312907) thread.

Now I think the OP's question is great, but do we need two threads covering the same issue ?


Craft a magic items and get XP for it! :smallsmile:

Deck of Many Things you Fool.

[Rubik]

Let's say you're a build with a 100% XP penalty.

I've got a trick for that!

Whether through UPD and power stones or the Soul Crystal power (from Magic of Incarnum), use Fusion (www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/fusion.htm) on a viable creature with more HD than you. Before the duration expires, find a way to manifest Astral Seed (www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/astralSeed.htm). Again, Soul Crystal will work handily. If you're shapeshifted via Polymorph or whatever, you can give yourself all the racial abilities you care to have, and turning yourself into a low/no-LA and no-(racial)-HD race will make it easier for the DM to allow later steps. Once you're satisfied, you off yourself.

When you're finished reviving, you wake up as a gestalt of yourself and the other creature, using whatever form you shapeshifted into, and the other creature's HD total (since it was higher than yours). Then either use a rebuilding quest or permanent negative levels and a thought bottle, then retrain all the additional levels (including racial HD) into whatever classes you want.

Alternately, just retrain the levels that are giving you problems into caster levels so you won't need to multiclass to be decent. :smallamused:

[Coidzor]

Craft a magic items and get XP for it! :smallsmile:

Ahah! So that's where all the magic items are coming from.

[nedz]

Alternately, just retrain the levels that are giving you problems into caster levels so you won't need to multiclass to be decent. :smallamused:

Don't you need xp to retrain ?

I was hoping for some exploit of XP Pen of 120%+, but no one has found one yet ?