Matthew
2007-01-09, 07:23 PM
I'm still not convinced it's too big a deal. With the Ranger we're only talking 2-10 Damage Bonus increase and though the Scout's Skirmish Damage is more regularly applicable than Sneak Attack, it also caps at 5D6 and increases at only half the rate. The Ninja's Sudden Strike Ability, although powerful, is only applicable when enemies are denied their Dexterity Bonus.
The Rogue is the only real contender as a problem, so let's view a comparative study:
Level 1
Human Fighter 1 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus, Power Attack, Cleave,
[Base Attack Bonus (1) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (3 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Power Attack (2)] = (2D6+2, 9.0)
Human Fighter 1 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave,
[Base Attack Bonus (1) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (3 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Power Attack (1)] = (1D8+1, 5.5)
Human Fighter 1 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting,
[Base Attack Bonus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (1 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8)] = (1D8, 4.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (1 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8)] = (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 1 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= (2 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (1D6)] = (2D6, 7.0)
[B]Human Rogue 1 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting,
= (0 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (1D6)] = (2D6, 7.0)
[Base Attack (0) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (0 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (1D6)] = (2D6, 7.0)
[B]Attacking Armour Class 10
Human Fighter 1 A 70% (2D6+2, 9.0)
Human Fighter 1 B 70% (1D8+1, 5.5)
Human Fighter 1 C 60% (1D8, 4.5) / 60% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 1 A 65% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 1 B 55% (2D6, 7.0) / 55% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 12
Human Fighter 1 A 60% (2D6+2, 9.0)
Human Fighter 1 B 60% (1D8+1, 5.5)
Human Fighter 1 C 50% (1D8, 4.5) / 50% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 1 A 55% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 1 B 45% (2D6, 7.0) / 45% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 14
Human Fighter 1 A 50% (2D6+2, 9.0)
Human Fighter 1 B 50% (1D8+1, 5.5)
Human Fighter 1 C 40% (1D8, 4.5) / 40% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 1 A 45% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 1 B 35% (2D6, 7.0) / 35% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 16
Human Fighter 1 A 40% (2D6+2, 9.0)
Human Fighter 1 B 40% (1D8+1, 5.5)
Human Fighter 1 C 30% (1D8, 4.5) / 30% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 1 A 35% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 1 B 25% (2D6, 7.0) / 25% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 18
Human Fighter 1 A 30% (2D6+2, 9.0)
Human Fighter 1 B 30% (1D8+1, 5.5)
Human Fighter 1 C 20% (1D8, 4.5) / 20% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 1 A 25% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 1 B 15% (2D6, 7.0) / 15% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 20
Human Fighter 1 A 20% (2D6+2, 9.0)
Human Fighter 1 B 20% (1D8+1, 5.5)
Human Fighter 1 C 10% (1D8, 4.5) / 10% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 1 A 15% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 1 B 5% (2D6, 7.0) / 5% (2D6, 7.0)
Level 2
Human Fighter 2 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (2) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (3 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Power Attack (4)] = (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 2 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (2) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (3 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Power Attack (2)] = (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 2 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (2) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (3 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8)] = (1D8, 4.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (2) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (3 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8)] = (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 2 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= (3 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (1D6)] = (2D6, 7.0)
[B]Human Rogue 2 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting,
= (1 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (1D6)] = (2D6, 7.0)
[Base Attack (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (1 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (1D6)] = (2D6, 7.0)
[B]Attacking Armour Class 10
Human Fighter 2 A 70% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 2 B 70% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 2 C 70% (1D8, 4.5) / 70% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 2 A 70% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 2 B 60% (2D6, 7.0) / 60% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 12
Human Fighter 2 A 60% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 2 B 60% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 2 C 60% (1D8, 4.5) / 60% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 2 A 60% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 2 B 50% (2D6, 7.0) / 50% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 14
Human Fighter 2 A 50% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 2 B 50% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 2 C 50% (1D8, 4.5) / 50% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 2 A 50% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 2 B 40% (2D6, 7.0) / 40% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 16
Human Fighter 2 A 40% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 2 B 40% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 2 C 40% (1D8, 4.5) / 40% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 2 A 40% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 2 B 30% (2D6, 7.0) / 30% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 18
Human Fighter 2 A 30% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 2 B 30% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 2 C 30% (1D8, 4.5) / 30% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 2 A 30% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 2 B 20% (2D6, 7.0) / 20% (2D6, 7.0)
Attacking Armour Class 20
Human Fighter 2 A 20% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 2 B 20% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 2 C 20% (1D8, 4.5) / 20% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 2 A 20% (2D6, 7.0)
Human Rogue 2 B 10% (2D6, 7.0) / 10% (2D6, 7.0)
Level Three
Human Fighter 3 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (3) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (4 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Power Attack (4)] = (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 3 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (3) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (4 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Power Attack (2)] = (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Fighter 3 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack,
[Base Attack Bonus (3) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (0) + Flanking (2)] = (4 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Power Attack (0)] = (1D8, 4.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (3) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (0) + Flanking (2)] = (4 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Power Attack (0)] = (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 3 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= (4 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (2D6)] = (3D6, 10.5)
[B]Human Rogue 3 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse,
= (2 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (2D6)] = (3D6, 10.5)
[Base Attack (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (2 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (2D6)] = (3D6, 10.5)
[B]Attacking Armour Class 10
Human Fighter 3 A 75% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 3 B 75% (1D8, 6.5)
Human Fighter 3 C 75% (1D8, 4.5) / 75% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 3 A 75% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 3 B 65% (3D6, 10.5) / 65% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 12
Human Fighter 3 A 65% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 3 B 65% (1D8, 6.5)
Human Fighter 3 C 65% (1D8, 4.5) / 65% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 3 A 65% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 3 B 55% (3D6, 10.5) / 55% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 14
Human Fighter 3 A 55% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 3 B 55% (1D8, 6.5)
Human Fighter 3 C 55% (1D8, 4.5) / 55% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 3 A 55% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 3 B 45% (3D6, 10.5) / 45% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 16
Human Fighter 3 A 45% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 3 B 45% (1D8, 6.5)
Human Fighter 3 C 45% (1D8, 4.5) / 45% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 3 A 45% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 3 B 35% (3D6, 10.5) / 35% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 18
Human Fighter 3 A 35% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 3 B 35% (1D8, 6.5)
Human Fighter 3 C 35% (1D8, 4.5) / 35% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 3 A 35% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 3 B 25% (3D6, 10.5) / 25% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 20
Human Fighter 3 A 25% (2D6+4, 11.0)
Human Fighter 3 B 25% (1D8, 6.5)
Human Fighter 3 C 25% (1D8, 4.5) / 25% (1D8, 4.5)
Human Rogue 3 A 25% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 3 B 15% (3D6, 10.5) / 15% (3D6, 10.5)
Level 4
Human Fighter 4 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (4) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (4)] = (2D6+6, 13.0)
Human Fighter 4 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (4) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (2)] = (1D8+4, 8.5)
Human Fighter 4 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (4) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (0) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (0)] = (1D8+2, 6.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (4) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (0) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (0)] = (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Rogue 4 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= (5 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (2D6)] = (3D6, 10.5)
[B]Human Rogue 4 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse,
= (3 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (2D6)] = (3D6, 10.5)
[Base Attack (3) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = (3 AB)
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (2D6)] = (3D6, 10.5)
[B]Attacking Armour Class 10
Human Fighter 4 A 80% (2D6+6, 13.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 80% (1D8+4, 8.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 80% (1D8+2, 6.5) / 80% (1D8, 6.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 80% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 4 B 70% (3D6, 10.5) / 70% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 12
Human Fighter 4 A 70% (2D6+6, 13.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 70% (1D8+4, 8.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 70% (1D8+2, 6.5) / 70% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 70% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 4 B 60% (3D6, 10.5) / 60% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 14
Human Fighter 4 A 60% (2D6+6, 13.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 60% (1D8+4, 8.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 60% (1D8+2, 6.5) / 60% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 60% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 4 B 50% (3D6, 10.5) / 50% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 16
Human Fighter 4 A 50% (2D6+6, 13.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 50% (1D8+4, 8.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 50% (1D8+2, 6.5) / 50% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 50% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 4 B 40% (3D6, 10.5) / 40% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 18
Human Fighter 4 A 40% (2D6+6, 13.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 40% (1D8+4, 8.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 40% (1D8+2, 6.5) / 40% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 40% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 4 B 30% (3D6, 10.5) / 30% (3D6, 10.5)
Attacking Armour Class 20
Human Fighter 4 A 30% (2D6+6, 13.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 30% (1D8+4, 8.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 30% (1D8+2, 6.5) / 30% (1D8+2, 6.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 30% (3D6, 10.5)
Human Rogue 4 B 20% (3D6, 10.5) / 20% (3D6, 10.5)
Level 5
Human Fighter 5 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (5) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (6)] = (2D6+6, 15.0)
Human Fighter 5 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (5) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 5 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (5) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (1)] = (1D8+3, 7.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (5) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (5 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (1)] = (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 5 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= 5 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (3D6)] = (4D6, 14.0)
[B]Human Rogue 5 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse,
= 3 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (3D6)] = (4D6, 14.0)
[Base Attack (3) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 3 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (3D6)] = (4D6, 14.0)
[B]Attacking Armour Class 10
Human Fighter 5 A 80% (2D6+8, 15.0)
Human Fighter 5 B 80% (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 5 C 80% (1D8+3, 7.5) / 80% (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 5 A 80% (4D6, 14.0)
Human Rogue 5 B 70% (4D6, 14.0) / 70% (4D6, 14.0)
Attacking Armour Class 12
Human Fighter 4 A 70% (2D6+8, 15.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 70% (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 70% (1D8+3, 7.5) / 70% (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 70% (4D6, 14.0)
Human Rogue 4 B 60% (4D6, 14.0) / 60% (4D6, 14.0)
Attacking Armour Class 14
Human Fighter 4 A 60% (2D6+8, 15.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 60% (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 60% (1D8+3, 7.5) / 60% (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 60% (4D6, 14.0)
Human Rogue 4 B 50% (4D6, 14.0) / 50% (4D6, 14.0)
Attacking Armour Class 16
Human Fighter 4 A 50% (2D6+8, 15.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 50% (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 50% (1D8+3, 7.5) / 50% (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 50% (4D6, 14.0)
Human Rogue 4 B 40% (4D6, 14.0) / 40% (4D6, 14.0)
Attacking Armour Class 18
Human Fighter 4 A 40% (2D6+8, 15.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 40% (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 40% (1D8+3, 7.5) / 40% (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 40% (4D6, 14.0)
Human Rogue 4 B 30% (4D6, 14.0) / 30% (4D6, 14.0)
Attacking Armour Class 20
Human Fighter 4 A 30% (2D6+8, 15.0)
Human Fighter 4 B 30% (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 4 C 30% (1D8+3, 7.5) / 30% (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 4 A 30% (4D6, 14.0)
Human Rogue 4 B 20% (4D6, 14.0) / 20% (4D6, 14.0)
Level 6
Human Fighter 6 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (6) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (6 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (6)] = (2D6+6, 15.0)
Human Fighter 6 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (6) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (6 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 6 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-]
[Base Attack Bonus (6) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (6 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (1)] = (1D8+3, 7.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (6) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (6 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (1)] = (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 6 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= 6 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (3D6)] = (4D6, 14.0)
[B]Human Rogue 6 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-],
= 4 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (3D6)] = (4D6, 14.0)
[Base Attack (4) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 4 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (3D6)] = (4D6, 14.0)
Level 7
[B]Human Fighter 7 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (7) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (7 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (6)] = (2D6+6, 15.0)
Human Fighter 7 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (7) + Weapon Focus (1) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (7 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+5, 9.5)
Human Fighter 7 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-]
[Base Attack Bonus (7) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (7 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (1)] = (1D8+3, 7.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (7) + Weapon Focus (1) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (1) + Flanking (2)] = (7 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (1)] = (1D8+3, 7.5)
Human Rogue 7 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= 7 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (4D6)] = (5D6, 17.5)
[B]Human Rogue 7 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-],
= 5 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (4D6)] = (5D6, 17.5)
[Base Attack (5) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 5 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (4D6)] = (5D6, 17.5)
Level 8
[B]Human Fighter 8 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Great Sword)
[Base Attack Bonus (8) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (4) + Flanking (2)] = (8 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (8)] = (2D6+10, 17.0)
Human Fighter 8 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (8) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (4) + Flanking (2)] = (8 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (4)] = (1D8+6, 10.5)
Human Fighter 8 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword),
[Base Attack Bonus (8) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (8 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (2)] = (1D8+4, 8.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (8) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (2) + Flanking (2)] = (8 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (2)] = (1D8+4, 8.5)
Rogue 8 A (Short Sword)
Feats: None Relevant,
= 8 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (4D6)] = (5D6, 17.5)
[B]Human Rogue 8 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-],
= 6 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (4D6)] = (5D6, 17.5)
[Base Attack (6) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 6 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (4D6)] = (5D6, 17.5)
Level 9
[B]Human Fighter 9 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Great Sword), [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (9) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (8 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (10)] = (2D6+12, 19.0)
Human Fighter 9 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (9) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (8 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (5)] = (1D8+7, 11.5)
Human Fighter 9 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (9) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (9 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+4, 9.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (9) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (9 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+4, 9.5)
Human Rogue 9 A (Short Sword)
Feats: [-], [-], [-], [-], [-],
= 8 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (5D6)] = (6D6, 21.0)
[B]Human Rogue 9 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-], Improved Two Weapon Fighting,
= 6 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (5D6)] = (6D6, 21.0)
[Base Attack (6) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 6 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (5D6)] = (6D6, 21.0)
Level 10
[B]Human Fighter 10 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Great Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (10) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (9 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (10)] = (2D6+12, 19.0)
Human Fighter 10 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (10) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (9 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (5)] = (1D8+7, 11.5)
Human Fighter 10 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (10) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (9 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+4, 9.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (10) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (9 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+4, 9.5)
Human Rogue 10 A (Short Sword)
Feats: [-], [-], [-], [-], [-],
= 9 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (5D6)] = (6D6, 21.0)
[B]Human Rogue 10 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-], Improved Two Weapon Fighting,
= 7 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (5D6)] = (6D6, 21.0)
[Base Attack (7) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 7 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (5D6)] = (6D6, 21.0)
Level 11
[B]Human Fighter 11 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Great Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (11) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (10 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (10)] = (2D6+12, 19.0)
Human Fighter 11 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (11) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (10 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (5)] = (1D8+7, 11.5)
Human Fighter 11 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (11) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (10 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+4, 9.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (11) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (10 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (2) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+4, 9.5)
Human Rogue 11 A (Short Sword)
Feats: [-], [-], [-], [-], [-],
= 10 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (6D6)] = (7D6, 24.5.0)
[B]Human Rogue 11 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-], Improved Two Weapon Fighting,
= 8 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (6D6)] = (7D6, 24.5)
[Base Attack (8) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 8 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (6D6)] = (7D6, 24.5)
Level 12
[B]Human Fighter 12 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (12) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (10)] = (2D6+14, 21.0)
Human Fighter 12 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (12) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (5) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (5)] = (1D8+9, 13.5)
Human Fighter 12 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Greater Two Weapon Fighting,
[Base Attack Bonus (12) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+7, 11.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (12) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (3) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (3)] = (1D8+7, 11.5)
Human Rogue 12 A (Short Sword)
Feats: [-], [-], [-], [-], [-], [-],
= 11 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (6D6)] = (7D6, 24.5)
[B]Human Rogue 12 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-], Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-],
= 9 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (6D6)] = (7D6, 24.5)
[Base Attack (9) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 9 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (6D6)] = (7D6, 24.5)
Level 13
[B]Human Fighter 13 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (13) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (6) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (12)] = (2D6+16, 23.0)
Human Fighter 13 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (13) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (6) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (6)] = (1D8+10, 14.5)
Human Fighter 13 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation, Greater Two Weapon Fighting,
[Base Attack Bonus (13) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (4) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (4)] = (1D8+8, 12.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (13) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (4) + Flanking (2)] = (11 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (4)] = (1D8+8, 12.5)
Human Rogue 13 A (Short Sword)
Feats: [-], [-], [-], [-], [-], [-],
= 11 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (7D6)] = (8D6, 28.0)
[B]Human Rogue 13 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-], Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-],
= 9 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (7D6)] = (8D6, 28.0)
[Base Attack (9) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 9 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (7D6)] = (8D6, 28.0)
Level 14
[B]Human Fighter 14 A (Great Sword)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Great Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation (Great Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (14) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (6) + Flanking (2)] = (12 AB)
[Great Sword (2D6) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (12)] = (2D6+16, 23.0)
Human Fighter 14 B (Long Sword and Heavy Shield)
Feats: Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Power Attack, Cleave, [-], [-], Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), [-], [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (14) + Weapon Focus (2) – Power Attack (6) + Flanking (2)] = (12 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (6)] = (1D8+10, 14.5)
Human Fighter 14 C (Two Long Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (Long Sword), Weapon Specialisation (Long Sword), Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-], Greater Weapon Focus (Long Sword), [-], [-], Greater Weapon Specialisation, Greater Two Weapon Fighting, [-],
[Base Attack Bonus (14) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (4) + Flanking (2)] = (12 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (4)] = (1D8+8, 12.5)
[Base Attack Bonus (14) + Weapon Focus (2) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) – Power Attack (4) + Flanking (2)] = (12 AB)
[Long Sword (1D8) + Weapon Specialisation (4) + Power Attack (4)] = (1D8+8, 12.5)
Human Rogue 14 A (Short Sword)
Feats: [-], [-], [-], [-], [-], [-],
= 12 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (7D6)] = (8D6, 28.0)
[B]Human Rogue 14 B (Two Short Swords)
Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Mobile Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, [-], Improved Two Weapon Fighting, [-],
[Base Attack (10) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 10 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (7D6)] = (8D6, 28.0)
[Base Attack (10) – Two Weapon Fighting (2) + Flanking (2)] = 10 AB
[Short Sword (1D6) + Sneak Attack (7D6)] = (8D6, 28.0)
Analysis
What this data says to me (and it admittedly does not factor in Attribute Bonuses or Magic) is that the Rogue's Sneak Attack already overpowers Fighters who use Two Weapon Fighting and Weapon and Shield Fighting as a Standard Attack, only Two Handed Fighting competes. Mobile Two Weapon Fighting makes it so that Sneak Attack outdoes Two Weapon Fighting, Two Handed Fighting and Weapon and Shield Fighting, but it also brings the former two closer together as competitors.
It should be remembered that this situation is not normal, as the Sneak Attack Damage Bonus relies on setting up a successful Flank. Even then, these statistics also hold true for Full Attacks anyway. Strength would play a major role in all this, as would criticals (as Sneak Attack is not multiplied), but factoring them in is relatively easily imagined. Chances are that a Fighter is going to be doing an additional 2-3 Strength Bonus Damage more than the Rogue with each blow, if not considerably more at later levels.
Basically, the Rogue Two Weapon Fighter has the potential to do twice as much damage as he might usually do, which works out to about twice that of a Two Handed Fighter (given the same Attributes), but it's no more than he would do comparatively with a Full Attack, it really soaks up his feats and he is still as vulnerable as he ever was to attack. Meanwhile, the Two Weapon Fighter, Ranger and Scout have received a very reasonable boost that brings them on par with Two Handed Fighters during Standard Attack Actions. All of this Precision Damage remains unaffected by Criticals, as well. It doesn't seem worth limiting this to Base Attack Bonus 6 or putting caveats on how much Precision Damage can be meted out. The only Character that might need nerfing in this way is the Rogue and he does this anyway on a Full Attack.
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