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KrimsonNekros
2013-11-19, 10:55 PM
So while I was happy with my results for my first Iron Chef competition, I'm looking to see how i could better improve what I cooked up. My original build can be found here Giorgio, Lich's Bane (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16263173&postcount=274).

I know i made a few screw ups, e.g. weapon finesse as a level 1 rogue. Still I'd like to hear some suggestions as to what people would recommend for improving the build while maintaining it's flavor.

Phelix-Mu
2013-11-19, 11:02 PM
Perhaps that link is broken. Wouldn't work for me.

Kuulvheysoon
2013-11-19, 11:02 PM
Link is broken, here's the build in question.
Giorgio, the Lich's Bane

Abilities: Str 8, Dex 16, Con 10, Int 14, Cha 16
Race: Human
Final Build: Spellthief 1/Rogue 3/Battle Sorcerer 12/Corrupt Avenger 4


{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features

1st|Rogue|
+0|
+0|
+2|
+0|Balance 4 ranks, Bluff 4 ranks, Hide 4 ranks, Intimidate 4 ranks, Jump 4 ranks, Listen 4 ranks, Move Silently 4 ranks, Open Lock 4 ranks, Search 4 ranks, Spot 4 ranks, Tumble 4 ranks |Combat Expertise, Weapon Finesse |Sneak attack +1d6, trapfinding


2nd|Battle Sorcerer|
+0|
+0|
+2|
+2| Balance 5 ranks, Bluff 5 ranks, Intimidate 5 ranks,Jump 5 ranks, Tumble 5 ranks| |Spellcasting, Familiar (Mild Taint(Gums Swell)/Depravity (Prophetic))

3rd|Spellthief|
+0|
+0|
+2|
+4|Bluff 6 ranks, Concentration 4 ranks,Intimidate 6 ranks, Tumble 6 ranks| Eschew Materials|Sneak attack +2d6, steal spell (0 or 1st),


4th|Battle Sorcerer|
+1|
+0|
+2|
+5|Bluff 7 ranks, Concentration 6 ranks,Intimidate 7 ranks, Tumble 7 ranks, | |

5th|Battle Sorceror|
+2|
+1|
+3|
+5|Bluff 8 ranks, Concentration 8 ranks, Intimidate 8 ranks,Tumble 8 Ranks||

6th|Battle Sorcerer|
+3|
+1|
+3|
+6|Bluff 9 ranks, Concentration 9 Ranks, Intimidate 9 ranks,Tumble 9 Ranks, Spot 5 ranks |Master Spellthief|

7th|Rogue|
+4|
+1|
+4|
+6|Bluff 10 Ranks, Concentration 10 ranks, Hide 6 ranks, Intimidate 10 ranks, Listen 6 ranks , Move Silently 6 ranks Spot 7 ranks, Tumble 10 ranks |Lunatic Insight, Corrupt Arcana |Evasion (Moderate Taint(Chronic Illness)/Depravity(Solipsitic))

8th|Rogue |
+5|
+2|
+5|
+7|Bluff 11 Ranks, Concentration 11 ranks, Listen 10 ranks , Spellcraft 1 rank, Spot 10 ranks, Tumble 11 ranks|New Feats|Sneak Attack +3d6, Penetrating Strike

9th|Battle Sorcerer|
+6/+1|
+2|
+5|
+7|Bluff 12 ranks, Concentration 12 ranks, Listen 11 Ranks, Spellcraft 2 ranks, Tumble 12 ranks |Improved Feint|

10th|Corrupt Avenger|
+7/+2|
+4|
+5|
+7|Bluff 13 ranks, Concentration 13 ranks, Listen 12 Ranks, Spellcraft 3 ranks, Tumble 13 ranks||Armored casting, detect sworn foe, sworn foe +2, taint suppression (Sworn Foe: Undead)

11th|Corrupt Avenger|
+8/+3|
+5|
+5|
+7|Bluff 14 ranks, Concentration 14 ranks, Spellcraft 4 ranks, Spot 11 Ranks, Tumble 14 ranks||Tainted strike 1/day

12th|Corrupt Avenger|
+9/+4|
+5|
+6|
+8|Bluff 15 ranks, Concentration 15 ranks, Spellcraft 5 ranks, Spot 12 Ranks, Tumble 15 ranks|Arcane Strike|Grim Resolve

13th|Battle Sorcerer|
+10/+5|
+6|
+7|
+9|Bluff 16 ranks, Concentration 16 ranks, Spellcraft 6 ranks, Spot 13 Ranks, Tumble 16 ranks||

14th|Battle Sorcerer|
+11/+6/+1|
+6|
+7|
+9|Bluff 17 ranks, Concentration 17 ranks, Spellcraft 7 ranks, Spot 14 Ranks, Tumble 17 ranks||

15th|Battle Sorcerer|
+12/+7/+2|
+7|
+8|
+10|Bluff 18 ranks, Concentration 18 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks, Spot 15 Ranks, Tumble 18 ranks|Quick Draw|

16th|Battle Sorcerer|
+13/+8/+3|
+7|
+8|
+10|Bluff 19 ranks, Concentration 19 ranks, Spellcraft 9 ranks, Spot 16 Ranks, Tumble 19 ranks||

17th|Battle Sorcerer|
+14/+9/+4|
+8|
+9|
+11|Bluff 20 ranks, Concentration 20 ranks, Spellcraft 10 ranks, Spot 17 Ranks, Tumble 20 ranks||

18th|Battle Sorcerer|
+15/10/+5|
+8|
+9|
+11|Bluff 21 ranks, Concentration 21 ranks, Spot 19 Ranks, Tumble 21 ranks|Razing Strike|New Class Abilities

19th|Corrupt Avenger|
+16/+11/+6/+1|
+9|
+9|
+11|Bluff 22 ranks, Concentration 22 ranks, Spot 21 Ranks, Tumble 22 ranks||Sworn Foe +4

20th|Battle Sorcerer|
+17/+12/+7/+2 |
+10|
+10|
+12|Bluff 23 ranks, Concentration 23 ranks, Spot 23 Ranks, Tumble 23 ranks||[/table]

Spells per day
{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|9th

1st|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

2nd|4|3|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

3rd|4|3|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

2 4th|5|4|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

3 5th|5|5|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

4 6th|5|6|3|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

7th|5|6|3|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

8th|5|6|3|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

9th|5|6|4|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

10th|5|6(BS) 1(CA)|4|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

11th|5|6(BS) 2(CA)|4|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

12th|5|6(BS) 2(CA)|5(BS) 1(CA)|4|-|-|-|-|-|-

13th|5|6(BS) 2(CA)|5(BS) 1(CA)|3|-|-|-|-|-|-

14th|5|6(BS) 2(CA)|6(BS) 1(CA)|4|-|-|-|-|-|-

15th|5|6(BS) 2(CA)|6(BS) 1(CA)|4|3|-|-|-|-|-

16th|5|7(BS) 3(CA)|6(BS) 1(CA)|6|4|-|-|-|-|-

17th|5|7(BS) 3(CA)|6(BS) 1(CA)|6|5|3|-|-|-|-

18th|5|7(BS) 3(CA)|6(BS) 1(CA)|6|6|4|-|-|-|-

19th|5|7(BS) 3(CA)|6(BS) 2(CA)|6|6|4|-|-|-|-

20th|5|7(BS) 3(CA)|6 (BS)2 (CA)|6|6|5|2|-|-|-
[/table]

Spells Known
{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|9th

1st|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

2nd|3|1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

3rd|4|1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

4th|4|1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

5th|5|2|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

6th|5|3|1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

7th|5|3|1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

8th|5|3|1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

9th|6|3|1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

10th|6|3|1|1|-|-|-|-|-|-

11th|6|3|1|1|-|-|-|-|-|-

12th|6|3|1|1|-|-|-|-|-|-

13th|6|3|1|1|-|-|-|-|-|-

14th|6|4|2|1|-|-|-|-|-|-

15th|7|4|2|1|1|-|-|-|-|-

16th|7|4|3|2|1|-|-|-|-|-

17th|8|4|3|2|1|1|-|-|-|-

18th|8|4|4|3|2|1|-|-|-|-

19th|8|4|4|3|2|1|-|-|-|-

20th|8|4|4|3|2|1|1|-|-|-[/table]



{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features

1st|Rogue|
+0|
+0|
+2|
+0|Balance 4 ranks, Bluff 4 ranks, Hide 4 ranks, Intimidate 4 ranks, Jump 4 ranks, Listen 4 ranks, Move Silently 4 ranks, Open Lock 4 ranks, Search 4 ranks, Spot 4 ranks, Tumble 4 ranks |Combat Expertise, Weapon Finesse |Sneak attack +1d6, trapfinding


2nd|Battle Sorcerer|
+0|
+0|
+2|
+2| Balance 5 ranks, Bluff 5 ranks, Intimidate 5 ranks,Jump 5 ranks, Tumble 5 ranks| |Spellcasting, Familiar (Mild Taint(Gums Swell)/Depravity (Prophetic))

3rd|Spellthief|
+0|
+0|
+2|
+4|Bluff 6 ranks, Concentration 4 ranks,Intimidate 6 ranks, Tumble 6 ranks| Eschew Materials|Sneak attack +2d6, steal spell (0 or 1st),


4th|Battle Sorcerer|
+1|
+0|
+2|
+5|Bluff 7 ranks, Concentration 6 ranks,Intimidate 7 ranks, Tumble 7 ranks, | |

5th|Battle Sorceror|
+2|
+1|
+3|
+5|Bluff 8 ranks, Concentration 8 ranks, Intimidate 8 ranks,Tumble 8 Ranks||

6th|Battle Sorcerer|
+3|
+1|
+3|
+6|Bluff 9 ranks, Concentration 9 Ranks, Intimidate 9 ranks,Tumble 9 Ranks, Spot 5 ranks |Master Spellthief|

7th|Rogue|
+4|
+1|
+4|
+6|Bluff 10 Ranks, Concentration 10 ranks, Hide 6 ranks, Intimidate 10 ranks, Listen 6 ranks , Move Silently 6 ranks Spot 7 ranks, Tumble 10 ranks |Lunatic Insight, Corrupt Arcana |Evasion (Moderate Taint(Chronic Illness)/Depravity(Solipsitic))

8th|Rogue |
+5|
+2|
+5|
+7|Bluff 11 Ranks, Concentration 11 ranks, Listen 10 ranks , Spellcraft 1 rank, Spot 10 ranks, Tumble 11 ranks|New Feats|Sneak Attack +3d6, Penetrating Strike

9th|Battle Sorcerer|
+6/+1|
+2|
+5|
+7|Bluff 12 ranks, Concentration 12 ranks, Listen 11 Ranks, Spellcraft 2 ranks, Tumble 12 ranks |Improved Feint|

10th|Corrupt Avenger|
+7/+2|
+4|
+5|
+7|Bluff 13 ranks, Concentration 13 ranks, Listen 12 Ranks, Spellcraft 3 ranks, Tumble 13 ranks||Armored casting, detect sworn foe, sworn foe +2, taint suppression (Sworn Foe: Undead)

11th|Corrupt Avenger|
+8/+3|
+5|
+5|
+7|Bluff 14 ranks, Concentration 14 ranks, Spellcraft 4 ranks, Spot 11 Ranks, Tumble 14 ranks||Tainted strike 1/day

12th|Corrupt Avenger|
+9/+4|
+5|
+6|
+8|Bluff 15 ranks, Concentration 15 ranks, Spellcraft 5 ranks, Spot 12 Ranks, Tumble 15 ranks|Arcane Strike|Grim Resolve

13th|Battle Sorcerer|
+10/+5|
+6|
+7|
+9|Bluff 16 ranks, Concentration 16 ranks, Spellcraft 6 ranks, Spot 13 Ranks, Tumble 16 ranks||

14th|Battle Sorcerer|
+11/+6/+1|
+6|
+7|
+9|Bluff 17 ranks, Concentration 17 ranks, Spellcraft 7 ranks, Spot 14 Ranks, Tumble 17 ranks||

15th|Battle Sorcerer|
+12/+7/+2|
+7|
+8|
+10|Bluff 18 ranks, Concentration 18 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks, Spot 15 Ranks, Tumble 18 ranks|Quick Draw|

16th|Battle Sorcerer|
+13/+8/+3|
+7|
+8|
+10|Bluff 19 ranks, Concentration 19 ranks, Spellcraft 9 ranks, Spot 16 Ranks, Tumble 19 ranks||

17th|Battle Sorcerer|
+14/+9/+4|
+8|
+9|
+11|Bluff 20 ranks, Concentration 20 ranks, Spellcraft 10 ranks, Spot 17 Ranks, Tumble 20 ranks||

18th|Battle Sorcerer|
+15/10/+5|
+8|
+9|
+11|Bluff 21 ranks, Concentration 21 ranks, Spot 19 Ranks, Tumble 21 ranks|Razing Strike|New Class Abilities|[/table]



Spells per day
{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|9th
18th|5|7(BS) 3(CA)|6(BS) 1(CA)|6|6|4|-|-|-|-
[/table]

Spells Known
{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|9th
18th|8|4|4|3|2|1|-|-|-|-
[/table]
0th: Caltrops, Daze, Ghost Sound, Launch Item, Prestidigitation, Ray of Frost, Silent Portal, Stick
1st: Distract, Grease, Magic Missile, Nether Trail,
2nd: Deflect, Ice Knife, Incendiary Slime, Summon Monster II,
3rd: Dragonskin, Gaseous Form, Evil Eye
4th: Blast of Flame, Dancing Chains
5th:Fleshshiver


1st: Detect Magic, Detect Undead x2
2nd: Summon Swarm



The primary focus of this class is dealing with undead spellcasters. Ideally you'll be able to feint in order to secure a sneak attack with Penetrating Strike and then use the stolen spell for either Arcane Strike or Razing Strike. If necessary, our own spells can be used to power Arcane strike for some extra help on the first attack, or to deal with enemies at range.




Who am I you ask? I'm no one. My mother died when I was born, and I never knew my father. I ran away from the orphanage at a young age and took to skulking in the back alleys of the city. That time is so far behind me now that I do not remember much about it. I only remember how I came to the life I now lead.

There was a band of vagrants that came to the city one day. I do not know what about them captivated me. Perhaps it was their vibrant clothing, the mystery that clung to the very air surrounding them, or the strange tales they told of distant lands. Whatever the reason, when they left the city I followed.
My presence was not unnoticed, and as they continued to travel, I continued to follow. They'd laugh about it sometimes, calling me their little giorgio. I didn't know what it meant then, but I eventually took it as my name. They never let me starve as we traveled, but they made sure that I didn't get my meals without effort. Sometimes I'd do honest work, other times they'd leave food laying aorund as a test to my skills. So as they traveled I continued to follow.

As we traveled, sometimes a mist would surround us, and we'd end up somewhere I could not recognize at all. Every time the mists came they would take me into the caravan to ensure I was not lost in them. To this day I'm not sure why, perhaps they'd grown fond of me, or maybe I amused them. But one thing was certain the more we encountered the mists, the more I began to change.

A latent power awoke in me, never had I been able to cast spells as I'd seen wizards do on occasion, but it began to happen. The knowledge of spells invaded my mind, and with them came nightmares of things to come. I never spoke of them, but occasionally I'd see them come true. My gums also began to swell making speaking with precision difficult, and casting many of the spells that came to me near impossible without great care.

In each city we came to I'd help as best I could, keeping my visions to myself, but the other changes did not go unnoticed. One of my new companions noticed the new power and my difficulty speaking. He spoke of taint and corruption, and took me under his wing.

With his tutelage, I was able to avoid becoming more damaged, and learned new ways to harness my power and skills, including robbing other casters of their own power. He taught me spells that I would not have to speak to use, and how to avoid using all but the most costly of spell components. The others would smile as my progress grew, and I soon grew to consider them as my own family. Sadly this happiness would not last.

I know not what drew them, but as we lay sleeping one night, a swarm of undead came upon us. We fought as best we but it was to no avail. We were decimated. I remember I was laying there dying wen I saw the great monstrosity that had caused our downfall descend to the field. I could see its corpse like figure and knew it to be undead, but nothing else. I could feel an anger and hatred rising in me, and swore that if I somehow survive this, I would hunt down and destroy the one who had did this.

To this day I don't know how I survived my wounds.

I kept my oath though, and I searched for every nest of undead I could. I learned to destroy them all, turning my skills against them, and making my anger a fine edged tool. The more I hunted them, the more I felt the taint in me growing. Rather than turn from it, I made it a tool to turn against my enemies. The punishment to my body and mind are great, but to me it naught but a price to be paid.

I will find it, I will destroy it, I WILL HAVE VENGEANCE!

KrimsonNekros
2013-11-19, 11:03 PM
Thanks Kuul! Also fixed the link, replaced the wrong url XD

KrimsonNekros
2013-11-21, 06:20 PM
Still looking for some friendly advice if there's any to be had ^^

KrimsonNekros
2013-11-23, 07:59 PM
Another bump looking looking for advice if anyone is willing to offer it.

Zombulian
2013-11-23, 09:15 PM
Well the real question is, what do you want out of the build?

KrimsonNekros
2013-11-23, 11:49 PM
Well the real question is, what do you want out of the build?

Primarily I'm looking at focusing on taking down undead spellcasters. I want to maintain some utility outside of combat, and still keep my spellthief class.

KrimsonNekros
2013-11-26, 07:22 PM
still seeking advice.

KrimsonNekros
2013-11-29, 12:35 PM
another bump to try and get some advice.