What tier is this? [Archive] - Giant in the Playground Forums

Yogibear41

2013-11-23, 04:37 AM

What tier would this be? http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=pcemvfbci1gvmioqkhbsnu14g7&topic=4653.0

Casting as a wizard of 3/4s it level, a handfull of spell like abilities and SU abilities as well as some natural attacks and DR+SR.

I was thinking tier 2ish? Anyone agree/disagree? (assuming you take all 20 levels of the class and don't prestige out)

Yora

2013-11-23, 04:42 AM

Given that it gets 15 levels of wizard spellcasting, it probably would be 2.

Killer Angel

2013-11-23, 04:54 AM

I would say a solid 2nd.
the part about the percentage of not consuming scrolls, can be pretty useful.

Ansem

2013-11-23, 05:46 AM

DM a small campaign, see how much a noob can do with it and fit that on the tier list... That's what it's for after all.

ahenobarbi

2013-11-23, 06:43 AM

I say tier 1. Sure, it misses 9th level spells but 8ths with 3 levels of free metamagic give it enough flexibility and power to do everything it should to get there. And it gets some nice stuff on top of that.

Studoku

2013-11-23, 07:04 AM

Tier 1.

It's a caster with access to the entire wizard list. It still gets 8th level spells and can still cast 9ths from scrolls (with a nice ability relating to it).

OldTrees1

2013-11-23, 07:05 AM

Tiers look primarily at levels 6-15

Summary of Tier definitions:
Tier 1: Capable of doing absolutely everything, often better than classes that specialize in that thing.
Tier 2: Has as much raw power as the Tier 1 classes, but can't pull off nearly as many tricks, and while the class itself is capable of anything, no one build can actually do nearly as much as the Tier 1 classes.
Tier 3: or capable of doing all things, but not as well as classes that specialize in that area.

Tier 3 -> Tier 2 is about power
Tier 2 -> Tier 1 is about versatility

The Tome Dragon casts as a Wizard (definitely not Tier 2 then) of -2 to -4 levels. The question is whether this drop is level reduces the power from Tier 1 down to Tier 3. Does a 6th level Tome Dragon (with 4th level Wizard casting) preform better or worse at tasks than classes that specialize in those tasks? With a brief glance I would think that the Tome Dragon preforms better at tasks than classes that specialize in those tasks. This would place it as a weaker Tier 1.

nedz

2013-11-23, 07:15 AM

Casting as a wizard ...

Tier 1

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Jormengand

2013-11-23, 07:20 AM

Tier 1

.........

If it had been "Casting as a wizard of 1/5 its level" then it wouldn't have been tier 1, now would it?

Not that I disagree with your conclusion, only the thought process behind it.

Mystral

2013-11-23, 07:23 AM

This is tier 1. It is still as versatile and powerfull as a wizard, the lower spell casting is fully mitigated by the class features.

nedz

2013-11-23, 07:32 AM

If it had been "Casting as a wizard of 1/5 its level" then it wouldn't have been tier 1, now would it?

Not that I disagree with your conclusion, only the thought process behind it.

Well I did cut to the chase I suppose. The cut off point is quite low though. To take a lead from E6: 4th level spells; which is only just better than Casting as a wizard of 1/3 its level.